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IPL in UAE has badly exposed PSL in UAE

naseem said:
I don't want to laugh this morning....bhai.....yes if Pak at all play a one off t20 they can accommodate RAyudu keeping in mind his fitness but since there are the Haiders Hurairas.......the Zeeshans......he would warm the bench
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Rayudu would be a mini legend by now with Babar under his wings. Has been a far better player than Malik and all in the last few years at least.
 
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naseem said:
Le west indies...

Alzarri Joseph...
Thomas
Roach
Cottrell
Holder
Russel...
Jayden Seales one to watch for
Joshua james......u19 star......

West Indies players are natural athlete mate......it's other think unlike India their main sports is not cricket anymore...

So now u have to come to the level of Lanka and Desh
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Yeah the same Lanka that whitewashed you or the same Bangla administratively and on field has been constantly outperforming you, so I would have to look at teams closer to home for equivalence
 
Overall it's another highly bumpable thread that's going to be hurt a lot of delusional fans from time to time......main reasons for this different in scores of two leagues..


A. Timing of tournament......the dew factor is huge at this time esp in Sharjah.....where the ground is small.....also after a long gap cricket is being played ao plenty time to prepare a fresher and good wicket.....

B. It's too hot even now...in day time but in night weather is little bit better and pleasant ....but due to clear sky and lack of wind......the day night matches are like lottery....who wins toss has an advantage....of bowling first.......Ipl is mostly played in night so u know it's tough for bowlers

C. The obvious relative easy level of bowling along with better batsman......but lack of good local bowlers means no support for main strike bowlers who are mostly from outside like Rashid Narine Rabada etc...

Ppl don't like 220 getting chased with ease but 160 170 being defended ......lack of quality bowling might hurt IPL and india in long run
 
Local.Dada said:
Yeah the same Lanka that whitewashed you or the same Bangla administratively and on field has been constantly outperforming you, so I would have to look at teams closer to home for equivalence
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I have already put forth my view it's upto u to accept the truth or go on arguing...
 
BreadPakoda said:
Rayudu would be a mini legend by now with Babar under his wings. Has been a far better player than Malik and all in the last few years at least.
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Rayudu averaged far more then tendulkar. Could have left tendulkar in dust.
 
Local.Dada said:
Yeah the same Lanka that whitewashed you or the same Bangla administratively and on field has been constantly outperforming you, so I would have to look at teams closer to home for equivalence
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Bangladesh outperforming Pakistan?
 
Khan12 said:
Rayudu averaged far more then tendulkar. Could have left tendulkar in dust.
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Hyperbole. Let’s not bring genuine legends like SRT in the discussion to defend Shoaib Malik. I understand that Malik may be a Pakistani icon but for the rest of the world he is mediocre.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Hyperbole. Let’s not bring genuine legends like SRT in the discussion to defend Shoaib Malik. I understand that Malik may be a Pakistani icon but for the rest of the world he is mediocre.
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Tendulkar average 44
Rayudu average 50

That average is better then any indian batsmen bar kholi and dhoni. Not a hyperbole at all just facts.
 
Khan12 said:
Tendulkar average 44
Rayudu average 50

That average is better then any indian batsmen bar kholi and dhoni. Not a hyperbole at all just facts.
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Average is not everything and I didn't even talk about average. Tbh you don't need to look at stats to figure out how good a batsman Malik is. His gameplay against medium and fast pace itself tells you that.

Again, I am not trying to disrespect Malik, who is a Pakistani icon and probably one of your greatest batsman in the last decade or so. Don't feel offended.
 
naseem said:
Have u searched it in google.....feel no shame to tell us all what u get in results.....throw some light bole to Roshni
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In fact he said IPL is the best and CSK is the best franchise he ever played for and pak fans abused him on Twitter in 2018 for saying IPL is the best.
 
Mamoon said:
The UAE leg of PSL has always proved to be a dull affair with the odd exciting match. Scratchy, sluggish batting, over-reliance on spin bowlers etc.

However, IPL in UAE has showed that the problem is more with the lack of quality players in PSL rather than the nature of pitches.

This year’s IPL so far has been as good as any other IPL. Players like KL Rahul, Samson, Agarwal, Rohit, Faf, Bairstow, Gill etc. have light up UAE with some hugely entertaining performances.

Bear in mind that they playing in empty stadiums as well. The entertainment factor has still been top notch.

We need to address the elephant in the room - PSL’s standard of batting is shockingly poor and you cannot have a high quality T20 league without high quality batsmen.

If you compare IPL in UAE with PSL in UAE, it would prove to be a very embarrassing comparison for PSL.

Pakistani leg of PSL is better but still far behind UAE IPL.

IPL really is the gold standard of T20 cricket. It clearly deserves the success that it has enjoyed.
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I would not dismiss this but the underlying causes should have been obvious to you, and then a solution would be been more appreciated it.

Yes indeed, even a blind man knows that the quality of batting is better in IPL.
And there are various causes for it, which you must already know.

I also tend to agree that some of the bowlers have tried to uplift the bowling standard in IPL.

But bases on what, do you compare IPL and PSL?

It's apple to oranges.

India has a population of 1.3 billion with a great school level cricket set up. A country where great batting is a heritage. And due to the sheer size of the fan following, the business volume and finances of IPL, its like holding a candle to the sun when you compare it with PSL.

I think with the limited resources, broken domestic structure, and corruption and incompetency laced board, PSL hasn't been that bad. Is there a room of improvement in PSL, you bet it is.

Are both leagues fairly comparable? not really.

Perhaps you can compare PSL with Bangla league or something to make it somewhat fair of an equation.

What are you solutions to improve the business volume, financial worth and quality of cricket in PSL?
 
Colorblind Genius said:
I would not dismiss this but the underlying causes should have been obvious to you, and then a solution would be been more appreciated it.

Yes indeed, even a blind man knows that the quality of batting is better in IPL.
And there are various causes for it, which you must already know.

I also tend to agree that some of the bowlers have tried to uplift the bowling standard in IPL.

But bases on what, do you compare IPL and PSL?

It's apple to oranges.

India has a population of 1.3 billion with a great school level cricket set up. A country where great batting is a heritage. And due to the sheer size of the fan following, the business volume and finances of IPL, its like holding a candle to the sun when you compare it with PSL.

I think with the limited resources, broken domestic structure, and corruption and incompetency laced board, PSL hasn't been that bad. Is there a room of improvement in PSL, you bet it is.

Are both leagues fairly comparable? not really.

Perhaps you can compare PSL with Bangla league or something to make it somewhat fair of an equation.

What are you solutions to improve the business volume, financial worth and quality of cricket in PSL?
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Wonderfully explained, he doesn't have a solution what he does is compare Pakistan to India and try to prove the proven fact that Indian is successful and Pakistan is going nowhere. Your post is what should have been the topic of this post. "solutions to improve the business volume, financial worth and quality of cricket in PSL?"
 
Colorblind Genius said:
I would not dismiss this but the underlying causes should have been obvious to you, and then a solution would be been more appreciated it.

Yes indeed, even a blind man knows that the quality of batting is better in IPL.
And there are various causes for it, which you must already know.

I also tend to agree that some of the bowlers have tried to uplift the bowling standard in IPL.

But bases on what, do you compare IPL and PSL?

It's apple to oranges.

India has a population of 1.3 billion with a great school level cricket set up. A country where great batting is a heritage. And due to the sheer size of the fan following, the business volume and finances of IPL, its like holding a candle to the sun when you compare it with PSL.

I think with the limited resources, broken domestic structure, and corruption and incompetency laced board, PSL hasn't been that bad. Is there a room of improvement in PSL, you bet it is.

Are both leagues fairly comparable? not really.

Perhaps you can compare PSL with Bangla league or something to make it somewhat fair of an equation.

What are you solutions to improve the business volume, financial worth and quality of cricket in PSL?
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Finally a good post in this thread. I've been guilty of getting trapped in the rabbit hole of comparisons too.

Some quick ideas that I can think of:
1) Do an analysis to find the real reason why most PSL batsmen have found it hard to score runs on the same grounds. Is it a difference in timing/season of the events? If yes, then ignore, if no, analyze further
2) Analyze IPL batsmen to find what special are they doing to be able to score on these grounds
3) Increase no. of international player to 5 - Don't have to copy league A or B in terms of the rules, go for what suits your league the most. If it requires 5 international players for better batting talent, then go for it.
4) Limit players over certain age (un-democratic but can be pondered upon)
 
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Colorblind Genius said:
I would not dismiss this but the underlying causes should have been obvious to you, and then a solution would be been more appreciated it.

Yes indeed, even a blind man knows that the quality of batting is better in IPL.
And there are various causes for it, which you must already know.

I also tend to agree that some of the bowlers have tried to uplift the bowling standard in IPL.

But bases on what, do you compare IPL and PSL?

It's apple to oranges.

India has a population of 1.3 billion with a great school level cricket set up. A country where great batting is a heritage. And due to the sheer size of the fan following, the business volume and finances of IPL, its like holding a candle to the sun when you compare it with PSL.

I think with the limited resources, broken domestic structure, and corruption and incompetency laced board, PSL hasn't been that bad. Is there a room of improvement in PSL, you bet it is.

Are both leagues fairly comparable? not really.

Perhaps you can compare PSL with Bangla league or something to make it somewhat fair of an equation.

What are you solutions to improve the business volume, financial worth and quality of cricket in PSL?
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Very good questions asked..As an observer, my main solution would be to improve the finances of pcb and better manage them.. the lack of money and overall economic situation of pakistan is the reason why it is where it is..PCB is handicapped to a great extent by lack of India tour which is a money generator for rest of the boards. So it needs to find alternative sources of finances and make sure to invest it in grassroots development. It is also unlikely that domestic matches generate as much tv rights revenues as international or PSL..The PSL despite its popularity has not generated enough TV rights revenues as the overall economic situation has been poor in Pakistan..
 
BreadPakoda said:
Finally a good post in this thread. I've been guilty of getting trapped in the rabbit hole of comparisons too.

Some quick ideas that I can think of:
1) Do an analysis to find the real reason why most PSL batsmen have found it hard to score runs on the same grounds. Is it a difference in timing/season of the events? If yes, then ignore, if no, analyze further
2) Analyze IPL batsmen to find what special are they doing to be able to score on these grounds
3) Increase no. of international player to 5 - Don't have to copy league A or B in terms of the rules, go for what suits your league the most. If it requires 5 international players for better batting talent, then go for it.
4) Limit players over certain age (un-democratic but can be pondered upon)
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I wonder if the size of the boundaries are the same for PSL and IPL?
 
MenInG said:
I understand the need to belong - but this is a little too much. Lagay raho beta.

I would say that the quality of bowling in PSL makes it difficult for batsmen to score as does local knowledge.
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So Cummins, Archer etc getting hit for multiple sixes per over is because they are not good quality bowlers? Are you saying Pakistani domestic bowlers are better than Boult, Archer, Cummins?
 
BreadPakoda said:
Average is not everything and I didn't even talk about average. Tbh you don't need to look at stats to figure out how good a batsman Malik is. His gameplay against medium and fast pace itself tells you that.

Again, I am not trying to disrespect Malik, who is a Pakistani icon and probably one of your greatest batsman in the last decade or so. Don't feel offended.
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Malik has played and is playing in various leagues since 4 decades late 90s.....2000s 2010s..and 2020s.....RAyudu is such a legend he was discarded for Vijay Shankar......it alone tells u everything
 
Zaz said:
Lol on the contrary my dear indian friend It goes to show how bakwaaas the bowling is in the IPL
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beolwrs like Archer, Cummins, Boult are getting hit. So you are claiming your domestic bowlers are better than all of these. Waiting for them to take Pakistan to rank 1 in all formats now
 
Indiafan said:
So Cummins, Archer etc getting hit for multiple sixes per over is because they are not good quality bowlers? Are you saying Pakistani domestic bowlers are better than Boult, Archer, Cummins?
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U won't need the Archers the Boults in PSL.......LOCAL desi bowlers are good enough
 
Rana said:
This. Very accurate
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you are right. Archer, Cummins, Boult, all are inferior to PSL bowling. These bowlers are being hit but Pakistabi domestic legends would never get hit. Since Paksitan has such amazing bowling, better than these guys, that means they are going to soon be no 1 in all format
 
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naseem said:
U won't need the Archers the Boults in PSL.......LOCAL desi bowlers are good enough
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so archer and boult can get hit but local desi bowler won't be hit? Your PSL legends would be going at 36 per over in IPL
 
Indiafan said:
so archer and boult can get hit but local desi bowler won't be hit? Your PSL legends would be going at 36 per over in IPL
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There will be no takers for bideshi imports.......if PSL franchises had to spent they will on Steyn who can't attract fans viwership ....or on good batsman like no.1 Malan Morgan Roy .....et all........ Infact Malan was first noticed by lot of fans in Psl first........Malan Livingstone Dawson Salt......they all are on the verge of national call up ......
 
naseem said:
There will be no takers for bideshi imports.......if PSL franchises had to spent they will on Steyn who can't attract fans viwership ....or on good batsman like no.1 Malan Morgan Roy .....et all........ Infact Malan was first noticed by lot of fans in Psl first........Malan Livingstone Dawson Salt......they all are on the verge of national call up ......
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It will be CAN ATTRACT
 
Indiafan said:
you are right. Archer, Cummins, Boult, all are inferior to PSL bowling. These bowlers are being hit but Pakistabi domestic legends would never get hit. Since Paksitan has such amazing bowling, better than these guys, that means they are going to soon be no 1 in all format
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Ur wish soon be fulfilled or it may just give 3 more years of International Cricket including PSL......who knows what future beholds
 
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naseem said:
Yes Watson is there too....search in google ...it will make ur day even more better .....but only till evening before IPL starts.... Waise aaj kaun kaun se local bowlers khelenge
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Watson knows his days at IPL are numbered but he can still play PSL for 5 years or so with other fellow retired players. That's why he must be playing to the gallery to make gullible fans like you happy. Looks like he succeeded.
 
Forget PSL franchises. If the Pakistan national team joins IPL as a franchise, it will not come close to winning the competition.

The young Indian batsmen will massacre the likes of Rauf, Wahab, Imad, Shadab etc.

Amir and Shaheen might be the only two bowlers who might do well.

IPL batting standards are incredible.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Watson knows his days at IPL are numbered but he can still play PSL for 5 years or so with other fellow retired players. That's why he must be playing to the gallery to make gullible fans like you happy. Looks like he succeeded.
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Looks like someone is happy to be in a denial mode..........Even having Watto as a mentor is gr8 for any franchise.......sometimes KP AB ....these guys play to the gallery.....and make money out of it.......GREATEST ACADEMY OF THE WORLD.....I surely can't forget the buttering of KP........
 
naseem said:
Looks like someone is happy to be in a denial mode..........Even having Watto as a mentor is gr8 for any franchise.......sometimes KP AB ....these guys play to the gallery.....and make money out of it.......GREATEST ACADEMY OF THE WORLD.....I surely can't forget the buttering of KP........
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What wrong did I say?

Ravi Bopara
Ian Bell
Tim Bresnan
Darren Sammy, etc.

These are Diamond category star players in PSL 2020.

Aren't these guys retired?

Would they get Diamond category contracts in any other leagues? Watson can enjoy his post retirement as a star player of PSL. He knows what to say at this point. And looks like he has succeeded.
 
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I suppose these young Indian batsmen and other heavyweights in IPL are really lucky not to face legendary bowlers like Umaid Asif, Dilbar, Irfan Khan, Sameen Gul, Wahab, Samit Patel, Shinwari, Wiese etc.

The absence of these all-timers have made IPL bowling inferior to PSL’s.

I wonder how come New Zealand haven’t coerced Ronchi out of retirement and how come Australia haven’t picked Dunk after watching them dominate the best bowlers in the world?

It also seems that even PCB is not buying this dummy of PSL’s so-called high standards of bowling, otherwise they would have picked Kamran in the last couple of years.
 
People will go to any lengths to make themselves feel better. I suppose we cannot be too harsh on Pakistani fans.

Their misery is endless and they need a coping mechanism. No one would have ever envisioned the gap between Indian cricket and Pakistan cricket that exists in 2020.
 
Mamoon said:
Forget PSL franchises. If the Pakistan national team joins IPL as a franchise, it will not come close to winning the competition.

The young Indian batsmen will massacre the likes of Rauf, Wahab, Imad, Shadab etc.

Amir and Shaheen might be the only two bowlers who might do well.

IPL batting standards are incredible.
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We can't say what might happen till it happens...... So better of watching and deciding what's on display........
First things first.......Sharjeel and Babar will eat any IPL attack for dinner......then 40 yar old Hafeez is enough for the Mavis Undakats Rajputs Tewatias.....Khaleel.....

Lets not talk about bowling.......Saheen had Bairstow Malan dancing to his tunes.....just need 2 early wickets .....

Rahul and Agarwal for KXIP
Rohit and QDK for MI
BAIRSTOW and Warner for SUNRISERS...

THE Less said about RCB the better..
Gill and Morgan for KKR.....
Samson and Buttler for Rajasthan....

I think Saheen Amir Wahab can account for most of them most of times...
 
Mamoon said:
I suppose these young Indian batsmen and other heavyweights in IPL are really lucky not to face legendary bowlers like Umaid Asif, Dilbar, Irfan Khan, Sameen Gul, Wahab, Samit Patel, Shinwari, Wiese etc.

The absence of these all-timers have made IPL bowling inferior to PSL’s.

I wonder how come New Zealand haven’t coerced Ronchi out of retirement and how come Australia haven’t picked Dunk after watching them dominate the best bowlers in the world?

It also seems that even PCB is not buying this dummy of PSL’s so-called high standards of bowling, otherwise they would have picked Kamran in the last couple of years.
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Forget Ronchi and Dunk who were probably handy T20 players at domestic level. What do you have to say about the likes of Ian Bell and Tim Bresnan as diamond category players?
 
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BreadPakoda said:
Forget Ronchi and Dunk who were probably handy T20 players at domestic level. What do you have to say about the likes of Ian Bell and Tim Bresnan as diamond category players?
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It is a question for those who believe that PSL is better than IPL.
 
Posters who argue that PSL bowling > IPL bowling always avoid these two questions like poison:

(1) who are the bowlers whose presence in PSL have made it the league with the best standard of bowling?

(2) How come mediocre batsmen are dominating the league with the so-called best bowlers?

They say that Gayle and McCullum failed, but how does that explain the success of the likes of Kamran, Ronchi, Dunk, Delport etc.?
 
Mamoon said:
People will go to any lengths to make themselves feel better. I suppose we cannot be too harsh on Pakistani fans.

Their misery is endless and they need a coping mechanism. No one would have ever envisioned the gap between Indian cricket and Pakistan cricket that exists in 2020.
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Lol you make me laugh. You in some posts call yourself Pakistani fan then truth comes out like this post. "We cannot be too harsh on Pakistani fans".

Can you from now on please don't claim yourself as a Pakistani fan which we all know your not. You only have one agenda on this forum to degrade Pakistan in any way.

Carry on with your anti Pakistan rants with your "WE" some of the Indian posters who have same agenda.
 
KingKhan12 said:
Lol you make me laugh. You in some posts call yourself Pakistani fan then truth comes out like this post. "We cannot be too harsh on Pakistani fans".

Can you from now on please don't claim yourself as a Pakistani fan which we all know your not. You only have one agenda on this forum to degrade Pakistan in any way.

Carry on with your anti Pakistan rants with your "WE" some of the Indian posters who have same agenda.
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Unfortunately, I am a Pakistani fan but I don’t like to group myself with delusional fans like you and the rest. That is why I do not use “we” whenever I am criticizing the delusional Pakistani fans.
 
naseem said:
We can't say what might happen till it happens...... So better of watching and deciding what's on display........
First things first.......Sharjeel and Babar will eat any IPL attack for dinner......then 40 yar old Hafeez is enough for the Mavis Undakats Rajputs Tewatias.....Khaleel.....

Lets not talk about bowling.......Saheen had Bairstow Malan dancing to his tunes.....just need 2 early wickets .....

Rahul and Agarwal for KXIP
Rohit and QDK for MI
BAIRSTOW and Warner for SUNRISERS...

THE Less said about RCB the better..
Gill and Morgan for KKR.....
Samson and Buttler for Rajasthan....

I think Saheen Amir Wahab can account for most of them most of times...
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KXIP - Rahul, Agarwal, Pooran, Maxwell, Neesham.

MI - Rohit, QDK, Surya Yadav, Pandya, Pollard

KKR - Gill, Rana, Morgan, Russell

DD - Dhawan, Shaw, Iyer, Pant, Hetmyer, Stoinis

RCB - Padikkal, Finch, Kohli, ABD.

Rajasthan - Yashasvi, Buttler, Smith, Samson and Stokes.

CSK - Faf, Watson, Raina, Rayudu, Curran, Dhoni

For Sunrisers - Yes, only Williamson is decent apart from Warner and Bairstow.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Forget Ronchi and Dunk who were probably handy T20 players at domestic level. What do you have to say about the likes of Ian Bell and Tim Bresnan as diamond category players?
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Only in a one off season Ian Bell was selected and that was because he was in great form in T20. He wasn't selected before or after that.

The former England batsman has not represented his country since 2015, but has continued to ply his trade with Warwickshire, while he also enjoyed a successful stint with Perth Scorchers in 2016/17 as they won the Big Bash for the third time.

Bell was in excellent touch for Birmingham Bears during the 2018 Vitality Blast

Bell, who scored 26 hundreds for England, enjoyed a fruitful Vitality Blast this year, scoring 580 runs in the tournament for Birmingham Bears, with a maiden T20 hundred to go alongside his four fifties.

Samit Patel and Phil Salt will also join Bell in the red of Islamabad, drafted in as Gold picks. Patel played a key role in helping Islamabad to victory in the 2018 PSL, taking 13 wickets in nine matches at an average of 14.46.

Samit Patel will join Bell and Phil Salt at Islamabad

Salt’s selection comes off the back of a strong Blast campaign in which his aggression at the top of Sussex’s top order helped them to the final of the tournament.
 
Totally forgot about Samit Patel. Thanks for reminding.

Samit may be in the PSL hall of fame but he is not marketable at all.
 
Wait what? 13 wickets at 14 each in a recent year. I thought he was a star long back but even now? My bad. Samit Patel should continue playing. Doesn’t matter if he’s marketable or not. Such numbers cannot be ignored.
 
naseem said:
There will be no takers for bideshi imports.......if PSL franchises had to spent they will on Steyn who can't attract fans viwership ....or on good batsman like no.1 Malan Morgan Roy .....et all........ Infact Malan was first noticed by lot of fans in Psl first........Malan Livingstone Dawson Salt......they all are on the verge of national call up ......
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Yeah like Delport, Gregory, Ronchi, Dunk, Samit Patel, Wiese are household names that attract millions to the tv screens?
 
Abhilash93 said:
KXIP - Rahul, Agarwal, Pooran, Maxwell, Neesham.

MI - Rohit, QDK, Surya Yadav, Pandya, Pollard

KKR - Gill, Rana, Morgan, Russell

DD - Dhawan, Shaw, Iyer, Pant, Hetmyer, Stoinis

RCB - Padikkal, Finch, Kohli, ABD.

Rajasthan - Yashasvi, Buttler, Smith, Samson and Stokes.

CSK - Faf, Watson, Raina, Rayudu, Curran, Dhoni

For Sunrisers - Yes, only Williamson is decent apart from Warner and Bairstow.
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Ok ok if not 2 then 3 wickets.....Saheen alone can account for them.....then Amir and Wahab...... I am not even talking about 2 spinners who are in top 10 t20 bowlers.....Pollard Russel haven't set the Psl on fire so at least we know what they can......to Ipl bowlers and to PSL bowlers....
Kkr..... Rana..is ever consistent..
CSk......RAyudu who don't lasts more than few matches.....Raina is not the same anymore.......Faf is not that fast scorer.....easy to tie him down...

Rajasthan..... The team dont even play Buttler Jaiswal together...Stokes don't have good record vs Pak .....so is Smith...
That left Sanju and Buttler......

RCB.....the team can't play new ball......depends lot on AB Kohli......

Dd......Shaw is inexperience....Dhawan is slow....yes Iyer is dangerous but Pant is highly inconsistent.....Hetmeyer Stoinis won't evoke fear in any international standard attack....... Advantage of having Hetmeyer is he will give u countless lifelines in field.....

I like RR and Punjab..... But like others their local bowling resources is nothing to talk about
 
IPL has the best players in the world participating in it. The PSL doesn't. No **** sherlock that the IPL is the best league in the world. Tamgha Imtiaz to the OP from my side and hopefully a Padma Shri from the neighbors. Adnan Sami Khan will be very proud. A request to my Indian neighbours, please do us a favor and grant this individual an Indian Passport and take him with you.
 
OldWarHorse said:
Yeah like Delport, Gregory, Ronchi, Dunk, Samit Patel, Wiese are household names that attract millions to the tv screens?
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Definitely fans will throng stadiums to see a 17 year old Naseem bowling to a 19 yr old Haidar Ali.... Saheen to Morgan Babar ... Steyn v Babar......Malan v Hasnain Jordan......Watson v Wahab......

Now u see what happens when Mavi Avesh Undakat bowls .......
 
Local.Dada said:
Archer got smacked for an 18 run over, Bumrah and Cummins got smacked, Cottrell was in the side that bowled out for Pakistan for less than 120 runs in the WC got smacked,Rabada got smacked and Shami got smacked today and somehow we are made to believe that the Rauf’s and the Dilbar who bowled spells on low and slow wickets against likes of Ronchi and Kamran Akmal’s of the world have a larger USP than any of the names mentioned above or have accomplished a lot more :))

Not to forget Gayle and AB’s legacies being questioned for playing half a PSL on these pitches and having average returns.

I guess about time we need to realize we are fighting a losing battle against some of these guys who are leaving a huge digital footprint to put it politely how much they understand cricket anyways, so better to take the high road here lol.
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Well, it's true. I don't care whose bowling is of a higher standard, as I am not that interested in T20 leagues besides watching new talent.

However, Gayle and ABD were flops of the highest order when they played in PSL, and you can bet they will dominate the opposition on the same pitches in the IPL.

Just weird.
 
OldWarHorse said:
Nothing different to watching Samit Patel, Gregory, Rumman Raees, Umaid Asif bowl
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To further add...

Jordan
Mills
Naseem
Hasnain
Saheen
Amir
Wahab
RAuf
Musa
Dilbar
Junaid
Tanvir......once ur purple cap holder....
Now spinner
Imad
Shadab
UMER khan
Zafar Gohar
Mohsin will soon play
Ashgar
Nawaz
Nabi
Tahir.....

Actually umaid Asif will walk into any random IPL team
 
naseem said:
To further add...

Jordan
Mills
Naseem
Hasnain
Saheen
Amir
Wahab
RAuf
Musa
Dilbar
Junaid
Tanvir......once ur purple cap holder....
Now spinner
Imad
Shadab
UMER khan
Zafar Gohar
Mohsin will soon play
Ashgar
Nawaz
Nabi
Tahir.....

Actually umaid Asif will walk into any random IPL team
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Dont know if you are serious including Mills and Jordan to that list.
Some of the local pacers do look good but most are spray guns who will travel. I have seen enough PSL games to know that. Then those spinners are simply avg apart from Tahir. Dont see them really causing Indian batters any problem let alone the international players.
 
OldWarHorse said:
Both are mediocre, atleast one doesnt eat up an international spot
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If you can have Mohammad Nabi as an international pro I don’t see much wrong with having Samit Patel

They are not miles apart when it comes to bowling and batting. Samit just looks unfit, that’s the difference
 
OldWarHorse said:
Dont know if you are serious including Mills and Jordan to that list.
Some of the local pacers do look good but most are spray guns who will travel. I have seen enough PSL games to know that. Then those spinners are simply avg apart from Tahir. Dont see them really causing Indian batters any problem let alone the international players.
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Ppl don't like to watch different types of slower balls.....u will get to know the actual resources when national t20 starts.....
Scouts from Bash Cpl Vitality blast pick these spray guns.....TKR picked Hasnain....TKR the Caribbean wing of KKR..... VITALITY picked Imad Saheen.....
Bash is where Rauf performed ......and got a call up.....so u know how in demand these speed guns are....
I have little hope from Musa SINWARI...
But Saheen Naseem Akif Hasnain are exciting
 
Sometimes I wonder this whole Ipl thing is a drama. Can't even imagine Jofra Archer smacking Shami for back to back sixes in international cricket. No yorkers. No well directed short balls. Shami at death had been excellent in recent times.
 
Rana said:
If you can have Mohammad Nabi as an international pro I don’t see much wrong with having Samit Patel

They are not miles apart when it comes to bowling and batting. Samit just looks unfit, that’s the difference
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Nabi is an excellent lower Middle Order bat. Much more proven at that. Thats why he gets picked and his bowling is just ok. Even then he plays only about 5-6 matches every year. I dont see him even getting that this year.
 
Look, its quite obvious that the IPL has a better standard of player. That doesn't make it more enjoyable or interesting to watch than any other league, simply because individual fans will have their own preferences.

Trying to judge quality of these of leagues is incredibly difficult to do either. In my eyes there are probably two ways to judge quality.

1. How the HOME players of those leagues play in other leagues - its difficult to make these comparisons since the BCCI doesnt allow Indians to play other leagues. Pakistani players seem to do reasonably well in other international leagues though.

2. How the players peform at international level - Here, India comes out on top.

Saying things like Ronchi scored well in PSL LOL etc is disingenuous. IPL also gave debuts to 50 yr old leg spinners. 45 year old Brad Hogg also smashed it one year. You can't compare leagues based on these things.
 
OldWarHorse said:
Nabi is an excellent lower Middle Order bat. Much more proven at that. Thats why he gets picked and his bowling is just ok. Even then he plays only about 5-6 matches every year. I dont see him even getting that this year.
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What is the benefit if u have Manish and Saha coming ahead of him .and playing almost full overs......
 
naseem said:
Actually he is feeling shame that what I am saying about Watto praising PSL bowlers is true......he is quiet on this topic now
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Watson, who plays for Chennai Super Kings in the Indian Premier League, said IPL is the 'ultimate' franchise-based T20 league due to the presence of top India stars and international players for the most part of the season. Watson also said the Pakistan Super League (PSL) has 'seriously good' quality of cricket and both the leagues make 'quality of cricket their priority'.


This is what watson said. Always check the claims made on the forum.

IPL is the ultimate league as per Watson.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....ne-watson-compares-ipl-psl-1678075-2020-05-14
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Look, its quite obvious that the IPL has a better standard of player. That doesn't make it more enjoyable or interesting to watch than any other league, simply because individual fans will have their own preferences.

Trying to judge quality of these of leagues is incredibly difficult to do either. In my eyes there are probably two ways to judge quality.

1. How the HOME players of those leagues play in other leagues - its difficult to make these comparisons since the BCCI doesnt allow Indians to play other leagues. Pakistani players seem to do reasonably well in other international leagues though.

2. How the players peform at international level - Here, India comes out on top.

Saying things like Ronchi scored well in PSL LOL etc is disingenuous. IPL also gave debuts to 50 yr old leg spinners. 45 year old Brad Hogg also smashed it one year. You can't compare leagues based on these things.
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I dont see......Undakat Rajpoot WARRIER Dube Saini .....et all do well in international........ As regards Hasnain has been okaish in t20s....Naseem hasn't played t20I YET..... He had taken a hattrickk in tests btw..... Saheen as u all know......Wahab was unplayable in England series Rauf made a mark too....don't know what u mean by not performing at international LOL...... As usual musa has failed so far
 
I’m trying to understand the motivation of this thread.

If Joe Root plays IPL or PSL then this is simply a well paid jolly where he can have fun and smack the ball about. The real pressure is International cricket hence the performances dwindle due to more stressful conditions.

I don’t need to tell the OP that Lionel Messi playing for Barcelona and Argentina is a much different scenario from Joe Root playing for Islamabad and England.

Is IPL better than PSL? Maybe but who really cares?

Is India better than Pakistan currently? Yes and I’d like for that to change.

If IPL continues to be a good standard due to foreigners then it may actually hinder the Indian national team as less local players will break through.

This is pretty much what happens to England during the football premier league era where the league improved but the national team suffered.
 
naseem said:
I dont see......Undakat Rajpoot WARRIER Dube Saini .....et all do well in international........ As regards Hasnain has been okaish in t20s....Naseem hasn't played t20I YET..... He had taken a hattrickk in tests btw..... Saheen as u all know......Wahab was unplayable in England series Rauf made a mark too....don't know what u mean by not performing at international LOL...... As usual musa has failed so far
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You seeing or not seeing wont make much of a difference.

Out of the players you listed, only Saini is in the Indian Team.

Wahab? Lol. He is a 35 year old TTF who avgs 26 in T20Is with economy of 7.95.

What has Rauf done in T20Is?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Unlike PSL, IPL doesn't need any gas. IPL isnt a small league starved of players and watchers and revenue.
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You need all the gas you can get when you have yourself and Mamoon claiming it’s the best league in the world.....but then Deepak Chahar is the poster boy of Indian fast bowling in IPL
 
Rana said:
You need all the gas you can get when you have yourself and Mamoon claiming it’s the best league in the world.....but then Deepak Chahar is the poster boy of Indian fast bowling in IPL
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Deepak Chahar has the best T20i bowling figures.

Gas is needed for small leagues that have limited viewership, few international players and scant revenue. Not for IPL.

Let me tell you how big is the IPL. It decided to literally throw away the viewership from the second biggest cricketing population, i.e pakistan without a second thought and yet it only grows bigger.

So you can keep the gas for PSL, they really need it.
 
Welcome, to the Indian Premier League (IPL).

The world’s premier Twenty20 competition stops the cricket-crazy nation for seven weeks annually. Since starting in 2008, the lucrative IPL has turned the staid sport on its head. Being innately British – conjuring stereotypical connotations of spectators picnicking in lush greenery – cricket long pushed back against the type of manufactured entertainment that underpins sports in the U.S.


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