Possibly, but then again T20 is a batsman's game end of the day.
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Possibly, but then again T20 is a batsman's game end of the day.
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Zahir Khan
Aaron Summers
Viljoen
Lamichhane
Chris Green
Qais
Tymal Mills
Chris Jordan
Max Waller
Gurney
Fawad Ahmad
Overseas bowlers in PSL 2020:
Steyn
Tymal Mills
Fawad Ahmed
Chris Jordan
McClenaghan
Prassana
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This is embarrassing beyond embarrassing. Even some dodgy league in Norway or Denmark will be able to attract more quality.
Deluded Pakistani fans sell us the dummy of “local bowlers” but then they cannot explain why Pakistan is consistently ranked 6th, 7th, 8th etc. in Tests and ODIs if our bowling standards are so great.
Our bowlers are consistently outclassed by the bowling units of the top sides like India, Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa etc.
The reason why these bowlers look half descent in PSL is because they batting standards are also embarrassing beyond embarrassing.
PSL batting is minnow level and again, some dodgy league in Norway and Denmark will be able to pull off better quality.
You put these bowling attacks in IPL and the IPL batting lineups will score even more runs and hit even more sixes.
Zahir Khan
Aaron Summers
Viljoen
Lamichhane
Chris Green
Qais
Tymal Mills
Chris Jordan
Max Waller
Gurney
Fawad Ahmad
Overseas bowlers in PSL 2020:
Steyn
Tymal Mills
Fawad Ahmed
Chris Jordan
McClenaghan
Prassana
) ) ) This is embarrassing beyond embarrassing. Even some dodgy league in Norway or Denmark will be able to attract more quality.
Deluded Pakistani fans sell us the dummy of “local bowlers” but then they cannot explain why Pakistan is consistently ranked 6th, 7th, 8th etc. in Tests and ODIs if our bowling standards are so great.
Our bowlers are consistently outclassed by the bowling units of the top sides like India, Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa etc.
The reason why these bowlers look half descent in PSL is because they batting standards are also embarrassing beyond embarrassing.
PSL batting is minnow level and again, some dodgy league in Norway and Denmark will be able to pull off better quality.
You put these bowling attacks in IPL and the IPL batting lineups will score even more runs and hit even more sixes.
Cricket infact has become a batsman game but what would u like 260 in 50 overs being defended say with opposition getting 240 odd......or with 360 getting chased with overs to spare....u will like it once but not daily.....I remember once Pak used to defend even 130 odd in ODIS in Aus against Aus....... And once against SL....IN Sharjah mostly......
Overseas bowlers in PSL 2019:
Zahir Khan
Aaron Summers
Viljoen
Lamichhane
Chris Green
Qais
Tymal Mills
Chris Jordan
Max Waller
Gurney
Fawad Ahmad
Overseas bowlers in PSL 2020:
Steyn
Tymal Mills
Fawad Ahmed
Chris Jordan
McClenaghan
Prassana
This is embarrassing beyond embarrassing. Even some dodgy league in Norway or Denmark will be able to attract more quality.
Deluded Pakistani fans sell us the dummy of “local bowlers” but then they cannot explain why Pakistan is consistently ranked 6th, 7th, 8th etc. in Tests and ODIs if our bowling standards are so great.
Our bowlers are consistently outclassed by the bowling units of the top sides like India, Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa etc.
The reason why these bowlers look half descent in PSL is because they batting standards are also embarrassing beyond embarrassing.
PSL batting is minnow level and again, some dodgy league in Norway and Denmark will be able to pull off better quality.
You put these bowling attacks in IPL and the IPL batting lineups will score even more runs and hit even more sixes.
Which energy drink u take..??? U don't get tired of being owned and trolled badly every time.... IPL is 13 years old....PSL only 6.....almost half....and this is the first time entire PSL played in Pak.....
Moreover it has only 6 teams....earlier 5......how can PSL accommodate so many foreign players ....???? Ipl has 8 teams.....each team say 10 foreigners.....so it's 80 odd players......
Steyn Mcclenagan....Mills Jordan all are part of international players even Qais Ahmed Zahir Khan who play in CPL BASH....and in any other t20 leagues......
Better enhance ur logical and analytical skills....along with cricketing knowledge ....
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As someone rightly said, and I rephrase:
Kohli and De Villiers batting together in the Super Over against Bumrah with Rohit leading the other team.
Only IPL can provide this incredible experience.
That is why it is pointless to compare IPL with any of its multiple cheap imitations like PSL, BBL, CPL, BPL etc.
IPL is a completely different beast altogether.
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But you won’t see Kohli and De Villiers batting together in the Super Over against Bumrah in any of these leagues, would you? That is what separates IPL from its cheap imitations.
Yes there are poor players in IPL as well just like there are poor players in international cricket as well. However, what sets IPL apart is the star quality and the big names that it possesses. No other league can get near them.
Neither Kohli or De villiers are the best T20 players in the World. Infact the highest ranked batsman in the the one you mentioned is Kohli at 9.
The fact that someone like Kishan smacked the bowlers as if they were under 13 bowlers shows how low the quality of cricket is in the IPL. I mean its the same deviliers who was getting out to some nobody bowlers in PSL trying desperately to score. I know the wickets are much better but even then, obviously I know it for 10 years now that IPL organisation concern is not to provide high quality cricket but highly entertaining cricket to maximize money.
Yes yes...... Even in IPL some paul Vaulthaty becomes Bradman.....and some tewatia becomes Yuvi....... Where 60 runs in last 3 overs is normal.......where one side can't defend 200 plus scores.....such is the class........
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Overseas bowlers in PSL 2019:
Zahir Khan
Aaron Summers
Viljoen
Lamichhane
Chris Green
Qais
Tymal Mills
Chris Jordan
Max Waller
Gurney
Fawad Ahmad
Overseas bowlers in PSL 2020:
Steyn
Tymal Mills
Fawad Ahmed
Chris Jordan
McClenaghan
Prassana
This is embarrassing beyond embarrassing. Even some dodgy league in Norway or Denmark will be able to attract more quality.
Deluded Pakistani fans sell us the dummy of “local bowlers” but then they cannot explain why Pakistan is consistently ranked 6th, 7th, 8th etc. in Tests and ODIs if our bowling standards are so great.
Our bowlers are consistently outclassed by the bowling units of the top sides like India, Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa etc.
The reason why these bowlers look half descent in PSL is because they batting standards are also embarrassing beyond embarrassing.
PSL batting is minnow level and again, some dodgy league in Norway and Denmark will be able to pull off better quality.
You put these bowling attacks in IPL and the IPL batting lineups will score even more runs and hit even more sixes.
You are just a troll and a real hater of Pakistan. Norway and Denmark pulling of better quality give me a break. When you don't have nothing to back your claims you change topics and come up with complete troll like Norway Denmark. Just because yesterdays close game you think IPL is pinnacle of T20 cricket and when I mentioned PSL had such games you change the complete topic and start trolling like a kid.
Why Narine name not in that list. And most of them are players who be on bench and hardly play. Never seen Summers play didn't even know such a name was even in PSL. Same way someone named Tyrone Henderson played a few games in IPL once. One thing PSL don't really need much bowlers so they have some of these as reserves as local bowlers are good enough. No doubt IPL has bigger name international players but they have a open window. If PSL does then they would too. IPL superstars ABD, Gayle have played PSL and Russell and Pollard T20 champs and IPL superstars play PSL too.
Oh you still not commented on Cottrel who you was claiming as T20 World Champion when he wasn't even in squad. Calling Tom Curran a World champion who didn't even play a game in world cup. Fawad Alam is a T20 World cham but ain't played in PSL lol.
Pinnacle of T20 where a Tewatia hits 5 sixes in a over of your so called world champ Cottrel.
Reason our ranking is low because of our batting. And our bowling getting outclassed give me a break. We never had issues with bowling.
Your favourite team England who couldn't beat us last decade. Whitewashed them at home and beat them and drew away series twice. Beat them in champions trophy and World Cup. Also We don't need to rely on 2 bowled to carry us for 10 years or so. We can replace bowlers and still challenge and win as we have alot of depth in bowling.
Misbah messed up selection in the last series otherwise would been different result. Went with a un-experienced attack and we still done well. With experience Naseem and Shaheen will only get better.
And put some of IPL batsmans in PSL they would struggle for a run like Gayle and De Villiers to a certain extent. Tewatia would struggle to hit one six in whole PSL let alone 5 in a over. Cottrel would never get into any PSL team maybe have a chance as a back up player.
Carry on trolling and making a fool of yourself with your anti-Pakistan agenda.
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Didn’t AB spend half a season in the PSL before his masters called him back? What did he average, pray tell? And Mr. Gayle? How did he do in the PSL compared to IPL? Obviously IPL has more money and better international players, but don’t write off my league for your black and white Indian agenda. We have our own flavour, so PSL can do things their own way.
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Load of nonsense as usual.
Kohli and de Villiers are better batsmen than anyone Pakistan has ever produced.
Individual player rankings mean nothing because the ranking system has several shortcomings.
For example, Babar was number 1 in T20Is for a long time because he was opening the innings in a poor batting lineup where he had no one alongside him to outshine him.
If he was playing for India, England or Australia, he wouldn’t even be in the top 10 because he would be playing in the shadows of Rohit, Kohli, Rahul, Bairstow, Buttler, Roy, Warner, Finch etc.
You make Kohli or de Villiers open for this Pakistan team in T20s and give them two dozen soft matches against underpowered sides, and they will climb to the number 1 spot without any fuss.
Furthermore, De Villiers averages 50+ in PSL at a high strike rate.
You talk about Kishan, but Luke Ronchi bats like Viv Richards in PSL against the so-called best bowlers. In IPL, he averaged 13.
Kamran is the other top-order superstar in PSL, and it seems that even PCB does not buy the hype of PSL bowling otherwise they would have selected him in T20Is in the last couple of years.
Speaking of high quality cricket, IPL provides entertainment + high quality.
High quality cricket and entertaining cricket comes with having high quality players.
Watching the likes of Kohli, Rohit, de Villiers, Buttler, Warner, Rahul, Dhawan, Bairstow, de Kock, Smith, Williamson, Stokes bat against Rabada, Bumrah, Cummins, Starc, Archer, Boult etc. is called high quality and high entertainment.
However, Pakistani fans would tell you that watching Ronchi, Kamran, Salt, Delport, Dunk, Ingram, Bell, Bopara bat against Irfan, Chris Green, Samit Patel, Shinwari, Rauf, Dilbar etc. is high quality.
Pakistani fans are even more deluded than the people who believe in the flat earth theory.
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So for a league to be good their has to be Kohli and Bumrah who are not even best T20 players.
Finally you admit their are poor players in IPL. Other day you was falsely claiming Cottrel as a World champion.
And star quality is more in international cricket as only the countries best players play. You won't never see Someone like a Tewatia hit 5 sixes in international cricket.
And you won't get so many average bowlers. Reason why IPL teams consistently hit high scores but come international t20 their not consistently very high scores as each country has their best bowlers especially in World T20. You won't see bowlers like 70% in IPL play in World T20.
Compare the bowling line up of each IPL team with each country team you will see a big difference.
IPL maybe is the best T20 league but not the pinnacle of T20 and better then World T20. Doing well in IPL means jack. You won't see Tewatia getting a call up for that innings the other day as it means jack.
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AB averaged 50+ in PSL?
Are we talking about average or Strike rate?
Are we talking about average or Strike rate?
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De Villiers averaged 52 in PSL and he didn’t even look half motivated. He was going through the motions and was more interesting in playing golf at the Emirates Golf Club.
Truth to be told, playing in a third class league like PSL is beneath de Villiers’ stature. He is a greater batsman than anyone Pakistan has ever produced.
Gayle failed and I agree, but the problem with citing individual examples is that you cannot then justify and explain why several mediocre batsmen like Kamran, Ronchi, Dunk etc. have dominated the league with the so-called best bowling.
They also cannot explain why PCB is not selecting Kamran in T20Is when he is smashing so-called best bowlers in PSL.
Does PCB not believe the hype of PSL bowling?
Finally, IPL not only has better international players but also better local players. Indian domestic batsmen are light-years ahead of Pakistani batsmen, and they also have better bowlers which is why Indian bowling has been better than Pakistani bowler over the previous decade.
I agree PSL has its own flavor, but it is a disgusting flavor compared to the delicacy that IPL is.
218 odd in 7 matches @ 52 @whooping 128. SR.......In this season of IPL......AB Averages 70 @ a measely 183 SR.....
HIS avg crossed 50 bcoz he was not out in 3 out of 7 innings...... After he demoted himself to 5 from 3........
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Love it how you cherry pick the names you want to. Yes watching some trundlers bowl and a guy like Tewatia hitting 5 sixes is pinnacle of T20. Ronchi over Tewatia any day. When the likes of Tewatia hitting 5 sixes in a over and making runs it shows how strong the bowling is and the best league and better then World T20.
Imagine Tewatia against Starc, Wahab, Shaheen, Ferguson, Archer and other best bowlers of their countries he would struggle to get bat on ball.
Last season top scorer was Babar Azam followed by Chris Lynn.
Season before it was Shane Watson.
Ronchi had one good season in 2018.
And before 2018 Akmal brothers were always good T20 batsmens they even have hammered international bowlers for Pakistan. Last 2 years their performances been downhill that's why no where near the Pakistan team.
Ben Dunk only had a good season last PSL but he wasn't top scorer as you claim and before last PSL he wasn't even known.
This is how players make a name of themselves just like Dawid Malan who's name you left out as he is number 1 T20 batsmen now if he wasn't and was hardly in England team you would have mentioned his name. He had a poor first PSL and second PSL he came in the team after half way and made runs and his team won it. After he got a debut for England limited overs team and then test team. He credits PSL for his development who gave him the chance.
Dawid Malan has credited the Pakistan Super League (PSL) for his professional development as international cricketer, and heaped praise on the league’s standard of play.
The 32-year-old batsman, who is representing Islamabad United in the PSL 2020, termed the league as “one of the strongest” and added that one needed to be a quick learner in order to survive, a private news channel reported.
“My cricket has developed and this tournament taught me the lessons, I needed to play international cricket,” he said.
“This is one of the strongest leagues around. The quality of cricket is unbelievable and if you dont learn quickly enough you fall behind very quickly.”
What shortcomings made India number 1 in the ranking for 3 years? Players rankings in particular have no flaw all top 10 players have terrific stats.
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He averaged 52 and nobody even noiced.
Thankyou BCCI for this experience
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He averaged 54 and he didn’t even look bothered.
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e..._team.html?id=12804;team=5799;type=tournament
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AB in PSl
24 of 17
3 of 5
14 of 8
52 of 29
45 of 40
47 of 38
33 of 32
You will rarely see him batting at such strike rates in IPL.
24 of 17
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You will rarely see him batting at such strike rates in IPL.
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Yeah I guess the BCCI experience is what he wanted rather than the PCB experience.
No Thankyou PCB for the experience
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Test and ODI rankings are reliable but T20 rankings are not. The reason is that teams regularly rest their main players in T20 especially against small teams.
For example, England played their B team against Pakistan before playing their full team against Australia.
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He was not motivated. PSL is not his level. He is better than any Pakistani batsman ever.
If he was motivated, he would have destroyed PSL bowling like he has destroyed Pakistani bowling while playing for South Africa.
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Average only high due to not outs.
Will you ever see him bat as low strike rates like this in IPL
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Oh he wasn't bothered is your excuse. Gayle and Mcullum wasn't bothered too because they struggled.
If De Villiers got such pitches like he does in IPL and average bowlers like in IPL he would set the PSL alight with big and quick innings but unfortunately it wasn't easy ways for him
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I remember the innings he played at Sharjah where he reversed swept JK for 6. That was phenomenal. Besides that innings, AB was a massive disappointment, and he knew to get out of the PCB before his stocks completely plummeted. He clearly wanted to safegaurd his $2M yearly payout with the IPL for another 4-5 years, that was in jeopardy.
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Check de Villiers’ record against Pakistan in international cricket. I am glad that we agree that Pakistani bowling is rubbish.
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The curators at the IPL this year most likely are not the same as the ones that prepare PSL tracks.
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De villiers has never beaten Pakistan in a world cup match.
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Yes it is a BCCI conspiracy to make PSL look bad.
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That is no criteria. If World Cup matches are all that matter, you should not have the nerve to make fun of Indian cricket in any capacity.
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No, its just their way to ensure that their sheep public dont lose interest without the batting not firing as it would in India.
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The great AB de Villiers who has destroyed every bowling attack on the modern day Phatta tracks has never ever beaten Pakistan in a world cup match
let that sink in guys
let that sink in guys
Ohh okay you are at your best today.
Just like he destroys WI attack once in centurion and Indian attack in India in bilateral series every now and then....
Talk of motivation......when a player don't found any motivation 2 represent his country at world cup u know what moral he posses and what he values....an international loser and chocker to the core....
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Imran Khan, Wasim, Miandad, Waqar, Akhtar, Inzamam, Younis, Yousuf, Afridi, Razzaq, Saqlain, Babar, Hafeez, Shaheen, Amir, Shadab, Imad etc. etc. got owned and humiliated against India in World Cups and went home crying.
Let that sink in.
Do you now realize how ridiculous your premise is?
de Villiers has performed brilliantly against Pakistan.
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Yes in 10 T20 games he has hammered the Pakistan bowlers for a massive 144 runs at a average of mighty 18 and strike rate 122 with a best of 53 of 41 with 1 six and 2 fours in a T20 world cup game which he couldn't help his team chase 149
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It is not about my best or worst. This is not a competition for me and I don’t believe in point scoring.
Believe me, it doesn’t make me happy to see the status of Pakistan cricket today. But what annoys me greatly is the delusion and denial of Pakistani fans.
As a result they tend to underachieve in tricky pitches abroad.......last being NZ........ series.....also world cup semis......
Indian public loves the Vaulthaty tewatia undakat ....Mavi .......
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No one cares about T20I record against a particular team when you have thrashed them in Tests and ODIs.
De Villiers has generally underperformed immensely in T20 cricket at the international level.
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They should go home crying, but they didnt sell out their country for IPL money. That is the level of Mercenary AB is. He is the worst of his kind in this regard, and he is the guy you are defending because you want to justify his below par performance in the PSL.
Thankyou BCCI for this experience
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Fact is De Villiers didn't hit bowlers for fun in PSL which he does in IPL just like Gayle. Fact is a fact. Motivated or not. Fact is a fact.
Let that sink in and when you wiped your tears can you please tell me how Cottrel is a T20 world champion which you claimed and ain't responded back when questioned on it.
People like you lie to prove your false claims then change the topic to something else when your caught out.
The likes of Kohli rohit dhawan Bumrah have failed to win a series in Eng in tests where Pak remained unbeaten till recently..... The likes of Kohli Dhawan Rahul Bumrah Ashwin Sami couldn't. Won a ICC trophy since 2013 let that sink in....
U talk of world cup.....whats head to head..... And that head to head will improve ......only once Pak plays at home constantly
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Personally I believe the PSL wants their to be a balance between bat and ball, and the IPL doesnt because the latter sells in India. They dont like to watch low scores of 140-160 due to the terrible memories of losing most games abroad where the conditions favour bowling.
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Yeah but that’s not the point at all. Just admit it - you briefly forgot about Pakistan’s fireworks against in World Cups while mocking de Villiers for not beating Pakistan in World Cups.
And this momentary lapse proved to be an own goal for you.
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I agree there is balance between bat and ball in PSL.
Both aspects are rubbish. They are balanced because of their mediocrity.
Now it is time to play golf. No more replies from my side for a few hours.
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AB smashing a bowler of Bumrah's caliber into orbit yesterday, pretty much putting a massive question mark on the bowler's career.....but he was too tired to play the world cup last year. Why is this joke of a human being even worth debating about? The man makes me sick, the most despicable mercenary in the history of cricket!
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For a week the discussion is all been about T20 cricket. Now you change the whole topic we been discussing about T20 to ODI and Test Cricket and that no one cares about T20I.
OK so De Villiers and South Africa didn't care in the World T20 semi final vs Pakistan and the World T20 game the following World Cup where he hit a slow unlike himself innings and couldn't take his team over the line.
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More delusion.
Pakistan vs India in this era will be as competitive as Sri Lanka vs India.
India is at least three levels above Pakistan. The same Indian and Pakistani players have played 5 ODIs and India have won 4.
If bilateral cricket resumes between the two sides, India will correct the H2H in no time.
Now please don’t talk about the 2012-13 series because I have explain it in depth a dozen times. I can do it again but now I am heading to the golf course.
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What own goal? Where have I ever defended Pak's poor record to India in world cups?
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Yes run away when you get questioned about your lies. Cottrel selected in IPL because he a T20 World Champion. Tom Curran because he a World Champion who didn't even get a game. Sam Curran regular player for his country when he doesn't even make the limited overs squad lol.
So it's going to take you few hours or maybe more to come up with more lies and excuses to back your lies and more theories and made up lies.
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You got owned about the 2012-13 series in other threads many times. A weak Pakistan team beating the World champs who was hyping Aane do. India thought let's make H2H better and win the series but after getting owned in their own back yard they didn't want to play a series after that. Keep telling yourself and pleasing yourself with lies
Get up ...get up from ur delusional dream...... That 2012 13 ANE DO series has actually brought a full stop to Shewag and Gautis career.....head to head...ok lets organisatie bilateral every year both tests and ODIS....just like india and Aus play ...every random year........this India team won't have ir easy like past decade....against Pak team......u don't have to explain and say garbage .....we all already know ur intention......
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Man this guy has no shame. Haha. I believe De Villiers scored one fifty and failed in the rest of the innings against this third class bowling? Kamran doesn’t play because he cannot catch. PSL is not a ‘disgusting’ flavour. This is clearly a troll comment meant to trigger people. Yaar, don’t watch it. And please find a new hobby apart from this constant line you pull here. Do you not have anything better to do?
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Not sure why you're underrating Ishan Kishan. He'd walk into the Pakistan team easily but he's probably the #4 backup to the wicketkeeper slot for India. Meanwhile the older Akmal brother was the 2nd highest run scorer in PSL last year. You say Ronchi had one good year in 2018 but even last year he was 6th or 7th.
Coming to the quality of bowling, apart from the 2017 CT final, Pakistan bowling has not been able to trouble the Indian batting in the last 5 years. Not even at the U19 level.
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The whole thread is an own goal
Can he prove that the curators of the PSL and this year’s IPL are the same?
Can he prove that the curators of the PSL and this year’s IPL are the same?
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Unlike mamoo though, I am not a blind follower of a particular line. I am happy to say I am very impressed by domestic Indian batting talent. Indeed, quite a lot of India’s bench batting strength would make it into the Pak side easily, especially in T20’s which is our weakest format for batting.
Bowling: Although Bumrah is class and Shami has had a good four-five years, I am not impressed by domestic indian bowlers. Even Yadav who looked good in India is looking absolutely toothless in the UAE. Whereas the rest of the bench bowling strength looks very much like Indian bowling of yesteryear.
That is my honest opinion. No flag waving like uncle saab.
Bowling: Although Bumrah is class and Shami has had a good four-five years, I am not impressed by domestic indian bowlers. Even Yadav who looked good in India is looking absolutely toothless in the UAE. Whereas the rest of the bench bowling strength looks very much like Indian bowling of yesteryear.
That is my honest opinion. No flag waving like uncle saab.
How many games Pakistan and India has played since CT17? single digits? Plus that was the most important game where India in the final (any team in the final would be in red hot form) got bundled out for nothing.
Kamaran Akmal has international 100s and performances what does Ishant has? he looks a proper hack.
One ranking counts and other don't not even individual players rankings? That gives away you bias
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Jos Buttler smashed the two premier fast bowlers of Pakistan, Shaheen and Naseem, just two months ago in what was referred by fans as his weakest format and unsuitable for him and here fans are trying to believe that ABD struggled in PSL because the quality of fast bowling in PSL was better.
The amount of delusion is unbelievable.
The amount of delusion is unbelievable.
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Overseas bowlers in PSL 2019:
Zahir Khan
Aaron Summers
Viljoen
Lamichhane
Chris Green
Qais
Tymal Mills
Chris Jordan
Max Waller
Gurney
Fawad Ahmad
Overseas bowlers in PSL 2020:
Steyn
Tymal Mills
Fawad Ahmed
Chris Jordan
McClenaghan
Prassana
This is embarrassing beyond embarrassing. Even some dodgy league in Norway or Denmark will be able to attract more quality.
Deluded Pakistani fans sell us the dummy of “local bowlers” but then they cannot explain why Pakistan is consistently ranked 6th, 7th, 8th etc. in Tests and ODIs if our bowling standards are so great.
Our bowlers are consistently outclassed by the bowling units of the top sides like India, Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa etc.
The reason why these bowlers look half descent in PSL is because they batting standards are also embarrassing beyond embarrassing.
PSL batting is minnow level and again, some dodgy league in Norway and Denmark will be able to pull off better quality.
You put these bowling attacks in IPL and the IPL batting lineups will score even more runs and hit even more sixes.
I think the likes of Wahab, Shaheen, Amir, Imad, Shadab, Hasan Ali will do well in the IPL
Hasnain did okay in the CPL. TKR really liked him. Naseem would get picked too based on the wow factor.
Babar would obv get picked. Malik and Hafeez too.
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Nope, am saying that the quality of domestic fast bowling in PK is better than India’s. Actually that was a very competitive series against England. It could have been 1-0 to us very easily if we hadn’t messed up that second innings due to inexperience and bad captaincy. But fine by me if you don’t see the talent there.. Over the last ten years, Pakistan have a much better track record than India in the UK btw, if this is your yardstick, despite all of India’s superstars.
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Why just CT17? World Cups, T20 World Cups, Asia Cup, U19 World Cups in last 5 years. India has dominated and the much hyped Pakistan bowling hasn't been able to make a match of it, yet you're trying to say that PSL bowling is better because IPL has higher scores?
Kamran is a has been. Saying he has international 100s is like saying Yuvraj has international 100s but he's a has been too now. Ishan is still 22. Don't know how many (if any) Indian caps Ishan ends up with, but he hasn't entered his prime, unlike Kamran who's best days are long gone.
You were talking about since CT17 you cant judge anything from handful of games and when it mattered Pakistan bowlers produced the master class. India has played well in some group games etc against Pakistan but nothing new there they used to do that even in the 90s but always lost when it mattered.
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Pakistan would have been in the semi final had they beaten India in the recent world cup.
So much for "when it mattered".
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Who has hyped up Kamran. You guys bring names of players yourself. He just answered Kamran has international 100s as someone was claiming him a no body. Kamran 3 years back and before was making runs in PSL but now he is finished and agree bas been and his best days are gone that's why Pakistan didn't even select him for past 5 years or so. Even when he had few good season in PSL they didn't select him as they knew he don't have much to offer maybe a few series but they invested in Sarfraz and Rizwan.
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Pakistan would have been in the semi final had they beaten India in the recent world cup.
So much for "when it mattered".
They probably would have beaten India in the Semi final as well
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Always lost when it mattered )
WC semi final
T20 WC final
World championship final
WC quarter final
A do or die world cup super-6 game
All those virtual Asia cup semifinals
One win in a second grade ODI trophy final and suddenly Pakistan always wins when it matters.
The delusions....
)WC semi final
T20 WC final
World championship final
WC quarter final
A do or die world cup super-6 game
All those virtual Asia cup semifinals
One win in a second grade ODI trophy final and suddenly Pakistan always wins when it matters.
The delusions....
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Mamoon is spot on here. The IPL in UAE so far has been way entertaining than the PSL has been in the UAE.
If you don't enjoy watching AB and Kohli batting together facing Bumrah and Boult, you don't understand talent and don't appreciate cricket. How can you say you enjoy watching Kamran Akmal and Dunk destroying Wahb and Dilbar more than AB and Kohli facing the likes of Bumrah and Boult?
These T20 leagues are about enjoyment. IPL is much better standard and much more enjoyable than the other T20 leagues.
If you don't enjoy watching AB and Kohli batting together facing Bumrah and Boult, you don't understand talent and don't appreciate cricket. How can you say you enjoy watching Kamran Akmal and Dunk destroying Wahb and Dilbar more than AB and Kohli facing the likes of Bumrah and Boult?
These T20 leagues are about enjoyment. IPL is much better standard and much more enjoyable than the other T20 leagues.
Pakistan would have been in the semi final had they beaten India in the recent world cup.
So much for "when it mattered".
Ifs and buts done count they could have been in the semi final if SL game didnt get rained off. Beating anyone in a group game doesn't guarantee progression to next round it helps. India best game against Pakistan came in Mohali even then that was a semi final not the final. If Pakistan had beaten India it wouldn't guarantee Pakistan the cup in fact that would have just made SL favorites.
Always lost when it mattered
WC semi final
T20 WC final
World championship final
WC quarter final
A do or die world cup super-6 game
All those virtual Asia cup semifinals
One win in a second grade ODI trophy final and suddenly Pakistan always wins when it matters.
The delusions....
Yes yeS that drubbing in Champions trophy final means nothing....champions trophy is 3rd grade tournament
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I brought up Kamran because he was the 2nd highest run scorer in PSL 2019 and 7th highest in 2020. So much for being the best bowling league. He would get owned if he played against India's poor bowling attack today.
Yes we enjoyed kohli 3 (11).... And tewatia cameos....we r enjoying the bashing of slower specialists..... Esp in death....
[MENTION=142176]Pakhs[/MENTION] - In the last decade:
Asia cup 2010 - Ind beat Pak
U19 WC 2010 - Pak beat Ind
World cup 2011 - Ind beat Pak
Asia cup 2012 - Ind beat Pak
U19 WC 2012 - Ind beat Pak
WT20 2012 - Ind beat Pak
Aane do t20 - series draw 1-1
Aane do ODIs - Pak won 2-1
U23 emerging cup 2013 - Ind beat Pak 2 times (league stage and finals).
CT 2013 - Ind beat Pak
U19 WC 2014 - Ind beat Pak
Asia cup 2014 - Pak beat Ind
WT20 2014 - Ind beat Pak
World cup 2015 - Ind beat Pak
U19 WC 2016 - Ind beat Pak
Asia cup 2016 - Ind beat Pak
WT20 2016 - Ind beat Pak
CT 2017 league match - Ind beat Pak
CT 2017 Finals - Pak beat Ind
U19 WC 2018 - Ind beat Pak
Asia cup 2018 Game 1 - Ind beat Pak
Asia cup 2018 Game 2 - Ind beat Pak
U23 emerging cup 2018 - Ind beat Pak
World cup 2019 - Ind beat Pak
2019 ACC emerging Asia cup - Pak beat Ind
U19 WC 2020 - Ind beat Pak
Total
Total matches - 30
Ind won - 23
Pak won - 7
Pak should be lucky we dont play regular bilateral series. That head to head record otherwise would have taken severe battering by now.
Asia cup 2010 - Ind beat Pak
U19 WC 2010 - Pak beat Ind
World cup 2011 - Ind beat Pak
Asia cup 2012 - Ind beat Pak
U19 WC 2012 - Ind beat Pak
WT20 2012 - Ind beat Pak
Aane do t20 - series draw 1-1
Aane do ODIs - Pak won 2-1
U23 emerging cup 2013 - Ind beat Pak 2 times (league stage and finals).
CT 2013 - Ind beat Pak
U19 WC 2014 - Ind beat Pak
Asia cup 2014 - Pak beat Ind
WT20 2014 - Ind beat Pak
World cup 2015 - Ind beat Pak
U19 WC 2016 - Ind beat Pak
Asia cup 2016 - Ind beat Pak
WT20 2016 - Ind beat Pak
CT 2017 league match - Ind beat Pak
CT 2017 Finals - Pak beat Ind
U19 WC 2018 - Ind beat Pak
Asia cup 2018 Game 1 - Ind beat Pak
Asia cup 2018 Game 2 - Ind beat Pak
U23 emerging cup 2018 - Ind beat Pak
World cup 2019 - Ind beat Pak
2019 ACC emerging Asia cup - Pak beat Ind
U19 WC 2020 - Ind beat Pak
Total
Total matches - 30
Ind won - 23
Pak won - 7
Pak should be lucky we dont play regular bilateral series. That head to head record otherwise would have taken severe battering by now.
We all know when. a nobody like Tewatia cant play .... Kami won't either ....ha ha
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Except that the only time we did play a Bi lateral series since 2010 we won and India lost.
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Lol since when did u19s and u23 emerging cup matches start to get an inclusion in the overall H2H?
Not sure I would have included U19s games and the games you have mentioned at least 2 games resulted in India's direct elimination which they knew prior to game happening compare to Pakistan none suggesting Pakistan have been able to step it up when they absolutely have to and all this in Pakistan worst decade playing cricket since 60s.
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