IPL is planning London move

[Abdullah719]

The Indian Premier League wants to expand the world’s most successful Twenty20 competition into other countries, including Britain.

Rajeev Shukla, the IPL chairman, said that it was doing “wonderfully well” and, after English football’s Premier League, it had become the world’s most important domestic sporting tournament. “Now we are planning to take it overseas to places like Dubai, the UK and also America,” he said.

The Times understands that officials have been investigating the possibility of having a “home” venue in London. It would probably be the Oval rather than Lord’s, given Surrey’s development plans that will create the largest-capacity cricket venue in the country.

Some matches would be played there in the same way that the NFL plays matches at Twickenham and Wembley. There is also the possibility of a full-time London-based franchise in addition to the eight India-based franchises.

Although the IPL could seek a deal with a British venue, it would almost certainly need approval from the ECB. Any move to bring matches here would be in direct competition with English domestic short-form competitions — the Blast and “The Hundred” — and the ECB would probably resist it. It is also unlikely that a county would go against the ECB because of the risk of losing revenue or international matches awarded by the governing body.

The proposition is attractive for IPL franchise owners given the huge Indian cricket fan base and the large following of the competition in Britain.

IPL officials are understood to have looked at the success of the NFL matches played in London and the increasing likelihood that a permanent London NFL franchise will be established. They believe they can mirror that approach.

There have been discussions about resurrecting Cricket’s Champions League tournament, which ran between 2009 and 2014, with the winners of the various global leagues — the IPL, the Big Bash, the Caribbean Premier League, the Pakistan Super League — competing against each other in a short tournament.

September is the most likely time for such an event to be played.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/ipl-is-planning-london-move-qwrhtgqxz

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I understand playing some exhibition matches or league matches there,but whats the point in having a London based franchise ?

 

[Arham_PakFan]

There have been discussions about resurrecting Cricket’s Champions League tournament, which ran between 2009 and 2014, with the winners of the various global leagues — the IPL, the Big Bash, the Caribbean Premier League, the Pakistan Super League — competing against each other in a short tournament.

September is the most likely time for such an event to be played.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/ipl-is-planning-london-move-qwrhtgqxz

This was bound to happen.

 

[Mr.Q]

I understand playing some exhibition matches or league matches there,but whats the point in having a London based franchise ?

To create a fan base outside India. BCCI realises that with its riches it can tap into the foreign market as well. People from other countries including England do watch the IPL but I don’t think they feel an attachment or loyalty towards any franchise. A London based franchise will create it. Popularity of the IPL will increase and more people will start watching it. It’s not a bad idea at all.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

I can believe this.

Around 2012 IIRC the BCCI wanted to send an IPL XI to Ireland to play 3 exhibition t20's but the plan was scuppered as, at the time, the ECB/Sky owned the broadcasting rights to Irish cricket and blocked it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

after English football’s Premier League, it had become the world’s most important domestic sporting tournament.

Is this some sort of bad joke? Only Indians watch the IPL in huge numbers, the rest of the world either have no idea what this tournament is or have little interest in it. The NBA, NFL, La Liga, Serie A and others are far ahead in terms of global audiences compromising of people of different nationalities.

Sure if the play a few matches at the Oval it will sell out as there are plenty of Indians in the UK but it's the Indian audience which is their gold mine, not anyone else.

 

[Rahul1]

Is this some sort of bad joke? Only Indians watch the IPL in huge numbers, the rest of the world either have no idea what this tournament is or have little interest in it. The NBA, NFL, La Liga, Serie A and others are far ahead in terms of global audiences compromising of people of different nationalities.

Sure if the play a few matches at the Oval it will sell out as there are plenty of Indians in the UK but it's the Indian audience which is their gold mine, not anyone else.

The source is from a British website. I don't know why are you getting your knickers in a twist.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The source is from a British website. I don't know why are you getting your knickers in a twist.

The source is not relevant to my point. But please explain how the IPL is world’s second most important domestic sporting tournament.?

 

[moghul]

Even for a Pakistani, its an exciting news, whatever is god for cricket, good for me.
Hope IPL will come to USA also, it will a huge success here.

 

[CadPakFan]

Even for a Pakistani, its an exciting news, whatever is god for cricket, good for me.
Hope IPL will come to USA also, it will a huge success here.

Where 220 is a bad total.

 

[AFM]

International Premier League boys

 

[kuskash]

Is this some sort of bad joke? Only Indians watch the IPL in huge numbers, the rest of the world either have no idea what this tournament is or have little interest in it. The NBA, NFL, La Liga, Serie A and others are far ahead in terms of global audiences compromising of people of different nationalities.

Sure if the play a few matches at the Oval it will sell out as there are plenty of Indians in the UK but it's the Indian audience which is their gold mine, not anyone else.

No brother, I have lots of friends in USA who are Pakistanis, they follow IPL closely, discuss in details, I get updates from them. They usually tell me they like to watch IPL games with families as well.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No brother, I have lots of friends in USA who are Pakistanis, they follow IPL closely, discuss in details, I get updates from them. They usually tell me they like to watch IPL games with families as well.

Interesting, please get them to sign up to this great forum and it would be good to read why they watch the IPL. As you can see on here, there are (Pakistani) posters from all over the world but they dont watch the IPL, it's mostly Indian fans.

If the IPL allowed more foreigners to start, perhaps another one or two and then also included Pakistani players, a London based franchise would be a big hit. The Indian cricket board is devaluing it's own product due to politics.

 

[emranabbas]

Will be super flop in uk
Cricket in general is struggling in uk
Don’t see how it will be successful in uk

 

[Adijazz1706]

The source is not relevant to my point. But please explain how the IPL is world’s second most important domestic sporting tournament.?

It isn't, it's an Indian tournament with an Indian audience as the vast majority of it's global audience probably 90% or more

 

[kuskash]

Interesting, please get them to sign up to this great forum and it would be good to read why they watch the IPL. As you can see on here, there are (Pakistani) posters from all over the world but they dont watch the IPL, it's mostly Indian fans.

If the IPL allowed more foreigners to start, perhaps another one or two and then also included Pakistani players, a London based franchise would be a big hit. The Indian cricket board is devaluing it's own product due to politics.

Or Pakistani brothers actually watch/follow IPL and avoid to discuss it here for any particular reason?

 

[moghul]

Interesting, please get them to sign up to this great forum and it would be good to read why they watch the IPL. As you can see on here, there are (Pakistani) posters from all over the world but they dont watch the IPL, it's mostly Indian fans.

If the IPL allowed more foreigners to start, perhaps another one or two and then also included Pakistani players, a London based franchise would be a big hit. The Indian cricket board is devaluing it's own product due to politics.

I started watching IPL only this year and watch whenever get time. There are many Indians at my job but most of them are nerdy type and don't watch IPL and I don't find many there whom I could talk about IPL in my lunch break. So if you're a true cricket lover, you will watch IPL, not just Indian.

 

[hadi123]

IPL in England would be okay. I reckon you'd still get large crowds.

Hope the CL thing is true.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

I started watching IPL only this year and watch whenever get time. There are many Indians at my job but most of them are nerdy type and don't watch IPL and I don't find many there whom I could talk about IPL in my lunch break. So if you're a true cricket lover, you will watch IPL, not just Indian.

I've been watching cricket since 1997 (That's over 2 decades of following the sport like a religion). Does that count as a true cricket lover? I write about it, I read about it, I analyse it in my spare time but SURPRISE SURPRISE I don't watch the IPL (or any franchise T20 cricket for that matter).

Am I not considered a true fan of the sport??

 

[Send1983]

Interesting, please get them to sign up to this great forum and it would be good to read why they watch the IPL. As you can see on here, there are (Pakistani) posters from all over the world but they dont watch the IPL, it's mostly Indian fans.

If the IPL allowed more foreigners to start, perhaps another one or two and then also included Pakistani players, a London based franchise would be a big hit. The Indian cricket board is devaluing it's own product due to politics.

Sky sports broadcasting IPL and pretty much brought all English players to the studio to analyze IPL. Are they Indians? Sky sports is targeting Indian audiance?

 

[the Great Khan]

I started watching IPL only this year and watch whenever get time. There are many Indians at my job but most of them are nerdy type and don't watch IPL and I don't find many there whom I could talk about IPL in my lunch break. So if you're a true cricket lover, you will watch IPL, not just Indian.

I beg your pardon? I've been watching cricket since 1984 and like [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] have written about it and watched nearly everything I can get my hands on. I don't follow the IPL. I have zero interest in it. It is an Indian domestic league and just like I don't really follow the south african domestic league I don't have any attachment to this. And as for if your a cricket follower..well if thats what you want your cricket to look like then God bless..

If it comes to London well good luck but it will do well for the Indian diaspora, theyll treat it like a bollywood show and go to check it out to show their loyalty to mother India. Some english fans will follow to check out the novelty value and some pakistanis may turn up too..but to compare it to the NFL is ludicrous and also considering the political dimension I dont think as a Pakistani I would be at all interested..

I would like to hear from these amreeki pakistanis who watch it and why though..

 

[the Great Khan]

Sky sports broadcasting IPL and pretty much brought all English players to the studio to analyze IPL. Are they Indians? Sky sports is targeting Indian audiance?

Sky have a dedicated cricket channel now and needed some programming. I can bet only a small section of the populace actually care much for the IPL..mostly the Indian diaspora. English fans will watch to see how Joss buttler is doing or stokes but thats the only reason..I dont see any franchise or brand loyalty here..just some cricket nerd interest..

 

[Zahid87]

NFL was thought to be a US product with a domestic US audience. Despite the sport being of little relevance historically in the UK, over time they have built up an interest, and in all probability Shahid Khan will bring a franchise here.

If the IPL tried such a move, they have a much better chance of instant success. There is a big Indian fan base in the UK, that has historically followed Indian cricket faithfully, and attended games. I reckon they would turn up - esp Punjabis to support the Punjab franchise. You add the bollywood aspect in, e.g. having Shah Rukh Khan and Preity Zinta at the games, then you are almost guaranteeing an Indian audience in the UK.

Secondly, one of the great things about the UK, as opposed to the Sub-Continent, is that there is a genuine love of sports. People do not follow cricket as a proxy of displaying their patriotism. Fans watch cricket for the love of the game. If you brought a team where you have AB de Villiers and Kohli batting together, versus Jos Buttler and Stokes - I genuinely believe people would turn up to watch it.

It can work, but I reckon they would have to try a couple of exhibition games first to gauge what kind of interest there is. Would also have to be the 'right' games - i.e. involving the most marketable players/franchises.

 

[Zahid87]

^^

Would add that I doubt the ECB would ever allow this though. Would devalue their own T20 or 100 ball competition.

 

[Rahul1]

Is there a way to move ipl and it's fans to Pluto?

 

[cricketjoshila]

^^

Would add that I doubt the ECB would ever allow this though. Would devalue their own T20 or 100 ball competition.

Well that will mean bcci opposing ECBs moves. What if there is no telecast of ECBs T20 or 100 in India?

Ipl is played when there is ni T20ckt in UK. So it wont clash. A london ipl franchisee will be a great initiative.

 

[USofA]

Very good thought process to expand. Not sure what the weather is in April/May. Perhaps just good enough to play?

The Indian population will support it and combine this with Sky broadcast, you can succeed. I think the IPL has a better chance than NFL to do well in the Eng. Worth a try and $$ investment.

 

[HitWicket]

Well that will mean bcci opposing ECBs moves. What if there is no telecast of ECBs T20 or 100 in India?

Not exactly going to be a big loss for the ECB is it. Realistically the ECB won't ever allow anything permanent, perhaps a few exhibition games.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not exactly going to be a big loss for the ECB is it. Realistically the ECB won't ever allow anything permanent, perhaps a few exhibition games.

India is the biggest cricket market in the world. A ban from that market will mean a lot of losses.

 

[HitWicket]

India is the biggest cricket market in the world. A ban from that market will mean a lot of losses.

Not really for the local domestic competitions, the payment will be fairly small compared to the local rights and it's not like there's a particular need to get the Indian TV market watching. Added to that Sony have already signed a contract for the broadcasting rights up until the end of 2022.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not really for the local domestic competitions, the payment will be fairly small compared to the local rights and it's not like there's a particular need to get the Indian TV market watching. Added to that Sony have already signed a contract for the broadcasting rights up until the end of 2022.

There is a reason why everyone wants to telecast in India. Its the most lucrative one. A ban from there will mean flight of sponsors who have a large stake in India.

Sony buying and Sony showing are 2 different things.

What if ipl teams play matches in ireland right during ecb's T20 event? And give the rights to Sony.

 

[Suleiman]

Corrupting the birthplace of the gentleman’s game. Will be a dark day.

 

[HitWicket]

There is a reason why everyone wants to telecast in India. Its the most lucrative one. A ban from there will mean flight of sponsors who have a large stake in India.

Sony buying and Sony showing are 2 different things.

What if ipl teams play matches in ireland right during ecb's T20 event? And give the rights to Sony.

How do you think that business meeting is going to go down between Sony and the BCCI? "Oh yeah you know those TV rights you're paying for in England for the next 5 years? We don't want you use to use them at all."

You overestimate the targeting of the Indian markets by English cricket sponsors, go take a look at who the majority of them are and see how unlikely it is that most of them go ahead with the sponsorship to target an Indian market.
[MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] do Sky still own the TV rights to cricket in Ireland?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

^^

Would add that I doubt the ECB would ever allow this though. Would devalue their own T20 or 100 ball competition.

The 100 is absolute nonsense, it's made solely for tv broadcast to kids.

 

[TM Riddle]

Average size of England cricket stadiums is what around 20K. Pretty sure there are enough Indians in Britain who could fill up these small grounds even if the local populace didn't show much interest.
And I'm not even counting Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi and Pakistani diaspora.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How do you think that business meeting is going to go down between Sony and the BCCI? "Oh yeah you know those TV rights you're paying for in England for the next 5 years? We don't want you use to use them at all."

You overestimate the targeting of the Indian markets by English cricket sponsors, go take a look at who the majority of them are and see how unlikely it is that most of them go ahead with the sponsorship to target an Indian market.
[MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] do Sky still own the TV rights to cricket in Ireland?

Lol. Sony will still be showing all international matches from England. England T20 vs IPL team matches in Ireland. The decision should be pretty simple.

So if for ECB Indian market is not lucrative why does it say that Ashes and India tour are the main money spinners for them?They must not be knowing their own business.

 

[HitWicket]

Lol. Sony will still be showing all international matches from England. England T20 vs IPL team matches in Ireland. The decision should be pretty simple.

But we've already been over the fact that they'll still be paying for the games that they're not showing therefore the ECB will still be getting the income and the Indian broadcaster would be the one making the loss.

So if for ECB Indian market is not lucrative why does it say that Ashes and India tour are the main money spinners for them?They must not be knowing their own business.

I didn't say it wasn't lucrative, the point was the ECB sponsors aren't particularly focused around the Indian TV audience. Take a look at the ECB corporate sponsors for this summer : Vitality, Specsavers, Royal London, Kia, Rubicon, New Balance, Greene King, Yorkshire Tea, Hardys, Barrington Sports, Go Goodwins, T.M Lewin and Vueve Cliquout. How many of them do you think have targeting the Indian TV audience as a major target of their sponsorships.

 

[Asch Ali]

News:

“INDIAN cricket league wants franchise in ENGLAND”

 

[Donal Cozzie]

[MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] do Sky still own the TV rights to cricket in Ireland?

No.

I'm pretty sure the old agreement Ireland had, and Scotland still do have, was that in return for the broadcasting rights England would play an ODI every two years. Obviously as Associates with no set fixture list it was the best deal at the time financially.

Now that Ireland have tonnes more fixtures and a set FTP, we're now able to, as we did for the Pakistan Test, market our broadcasting deal abroad and sell it to whoever is interested. So if the BCCI wanted I'm 99% sure they could restart their old plan and it could be broadcast. Of course Sky would likely never broadcast it as it'd be in direct competition with the ECB's own domestic tournaments but someone else could be found.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But we've already been over the fact that they'll still be paying for the games that they're not showing therefore the ECB will still be getting the income and the Indian broadcaster would be the one making the loss.



I didn't say it wasn't lucrative, the point was the ECB sponsors aren't particularly focused around the Indian TV audience. Take a look at the ECB corporate sponsors for this summer : Vitality, Specsavers, Royal London, Kia, Rubicon, New Balance, Greene King, Yorkshire Tea, Hardys, Barrington Sports, Go Goodwins, T.M Lewin and Vueve Cliquout. How many of them do you think have targeting the Indian TV audience as a major target of their sponsorships.

1. Sony holds only international matches rights Of Ecb.

http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...ghts-takes-tally-to-seven-118030500623_1.html

2. These are not the only sponsors. There are AD sponsors on TV. And there will be Indian sponsors who go around the world advertising when Indian team visits a country.

ECB is a loss making board and heavily depends on Ashes and India tours to get its finances in order.

 

[HitWicket]

1. Sony holds only international matches rights Of Ecb.

http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...ghts-takes-tally-to-seven-118030500623_1.html

The ECB don't distribute the rights separately, the rights would've been sold for all cricket in England and not just international games.

"Sony Pictures Network India (SPN) has acquired the exclusive media rights for all television broadcasts related to the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) in the Indian subcontinent."

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-indian-subcontinent/articleshow/63168271.cms

2. These are not the only sponsors. There are AD sponsors on TV. And there will be Indian sponsors who go around the world advertising when Indian team visits a country.

ECB is a loss making board and heavily depends on Ashes and India tours to get its finances in order.

The lack (or non-existence) of TV advertisement sponsors wouldn't be a loss on behalf of the ECB, it would be a loss for Sony. These alleged world-travelling Indian sponsors who aren't part of the ECBs sponsorships aren't going to get any exposure on TV anyway so stand nothing to lose by games not being televised in India and nor would there be any contribution to the ECBs finances.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The ECB don't distribute the rights separately, the rights would've been sold for all cricket in England and not just international games.

"Sony Pictures Network India (SPN) has acquired the exclusive media rights for all television broadcasts related to the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) in the Indian subcontinent."

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-indian-subcontinent/articleshow/63168271.cms





The lack (or non-existence) of TV advertisement sponsors wouldn't be a loss on behalf of the ECB, it would be a loss for Sony. These alleged world-travelling Indian sponsors who aren't part of the ECBs sponsorships aren't going to get any exposure on TV anyway so stand nothing to lose by games not being televised in India and nor would there be any contribution to the ECBs finances.

1.Multiple sources sayinv its only international rights.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...-wales-cricket-board/article22936130.ece/amp/

http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...d-and-wales-cricket-board-118030500683_1.html


2. So if indian sponsors and Indian market makes no contribution to ECB, why did they lie and said Ashes and India tours were its biggest money earners? You have no idea what you are talking. Lol. Your word againist the word of ECB. Wasnt it you who argued that Indian team visit to NZ wasnot of much financial gain to NZC even though the NZC CEO said otherwise.

"We do operate on a four-year financial cycle with India and Australia's incoming tours generating the greatest proportion of overall earnings."

 

[HitWicket]

1.Multiple sources sayinv its only international rights.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...-wales-cricket-board/article22936130.ece/amp/

http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...d-and-wales-cricket-board-118030500683_1.html

Neither of these sources explicitly state they've solely got the international rights, they just state that they've got the right to broadcast international cricket. If anything they back up the fact that they've got all of the rights by stating they've purchased the exclusive ECB media rights (it wouldn't be exclusive if half the ECBs broadcasting rights weren't sold to them).

2. So if indian sponsors and Indian market makes no contribution to ECB, why did they lie and said Ashes and India tours were its biggest money earners? You have no idea what you are talking. Lol. Your word againist the word of ECB. Wasnt it you who argued that Indian team visit to NZ wasnot of much financial gain to NZC even though the NZC CEO said otherwise.

"We do operate on a four-year financial cycle with India and Australia's incoming tours generating the greatest proportion of overall earnings."

A massive proportion of income from foreign countries for their respective tours will come from TV deals which we've already concluded Sony have entered a contract for up until the end of 2022.

 

[USofA]

So, is the ECB losing money hosting the current Pakistan test series?
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION], [MENTION=139981]HitWicket[/MENTION]

 

[cricketjoshila]

So, is the ECB losing money hosting the current Pakistan test series?
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION], [MENTION=139981]HitWicket[/MENTION]

Seems they lose money the year they dont host India or AUS.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Neither of these sources explicitly state they've solely got the international rights, they just state that they've got the right to broadcast international cricket. If anything they back up the fact that they've got all of the rights by stating they've purchased the exclusive ECB media rights (it wouldn't be exclusive if half the ECBs broadcasting rights weren't sold to them).



A massive proportion of income from foreign countries for their respective tours will come from TV deals which we've already concluded Sony have entered a contract for up until the end of 2022.

If it included the T20 then they would say so. It says international cricket and T2 league is not international cricket.

Tv deals depend on advertising revenues and sponsors. When they go missing TV deals matter zilch. companies get out of such deals regularly. Only recently Investec left the Test series sponsorship of ECB even though they had a 10 year deal.

This is what Telegraph had to say about the new Sponsorship deal.

The next deal will include naming rights to a five-Test series against India in 2018, giving them massive exposure in Asia,

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...10-year40m-deal-sponsor-test-cricket-england/

ECB depends massively on India and Australia tours to bail itself out of financial troubles. Its in no position to take on BCCI.

 

[HitWicket]

If it included the T20 then they would say so. It says international cricket and T2 league is not international cricket.

The articles don't state it's solely international cricket, they state by buying the rights they have the international cricket. You can't have the exclusive ECB media rights if you don't have exclusive rights to all their media content...

Tv deals depend on advertising revenues and sponsors. When they go missing TV deals matter zilch. companies get out of such deals regularly. Only recently Investec left the Test series sponsorship of ECB even though they had a 10 year deal.

Investec were only able to get out the 10 year deal through a specific break-clause because the ECB signed another sponsorship deal with one of their direct competitors. You'll struggle to find a case of a major broadcaster getting out of a broadcasting deal without some pretty extraordinary circumstances.

This is what Telegraph had to say about the new Sponsorship deal.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...10-year40m-deal-sponsor-test-cricket-england/

And the new sponsorship deal is with NatWest. Remind me how much business NatWest carry out in India? Neither have they made an announcement to start doing any notable business in India. The exposure to the Indian market may be available but it's clearly not what the sponsors are particularly interested in as was demonstrated with the list of sponsors earlier.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Has to be one of the most emotional, historic and iconic moment in Cricket. Like a rich man making a visit to his humble beginnings after ages.

 

[Amoeba]

My one wish is that the IPL packed in tomorrow. Never ever watched it. Never will.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The articles don't state it's solely international cricket, they state by buying the rights they have the international cricket. You can't have the exclusive ECB media rights if you don't have exclusive rights to all their media content...



Investec were only able to get out the 10 year deal through a specific break-clause because the ECB signed another sponsorship deal with one of their direct competitors. You'll struggle to find a case of a major broadcaster getting out of a broadcasting deal without some pretty extraordinary circumstances.



And the new sponsorship deal is with NatWest. Remind me how much business NatWest carry out in India? Neither have they made an announcement to start doing any notable business in India. The exposure to the Indian market may be available but it's clearly not what the sponsors are particularly interested in as was demonstrated with the list of sponsors earlier.

1.It says exclusive rights to international cricket. Not T20 league. The League is 2 years away still.

2.All agreements have break clauses.

3.Natwest belongs to the RBS group,they carry out significant corporate business in India.

How do you know what sponsors are interested in?LOL.

 

[HitWicket]

1.It says exclusive rights to international cricket. Not T20 league. The League is 2 years away still.

You've literally linked to it mate : "Sony Pictures Networks India has acquired from the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) exclusive media rights for the Indian subcontinent for a period of five years starting in 2018 through 2022, it was announced on Monday."

The ECB sell all their rights as collective packages which includes domestic cricket (as the exclusive rights comment suggests). It's one of the reason the new domestic tournament has been held back until 2020 as if it started any earlier Sky would have the nonnegotiable rights so the ECB couldn't push any game onto FTA.

2.All agreements have break clauses.

They do, but to be triggered they usually either require bankruptcy, a payout by one party or a specific clause to be broken (like the ECB agreeing a new sponsorship with NatWest).

3.Natwest belongs to the RBS group,they carry out significant corporate business in India.

But that's not the brand they're advertising is it. If they were focused on the Indian market it would be the RBS Test Series and not the NatWest test series wouldn't it.[/Quote]

How do you know what sponsors are interested in?LOL.

Are you serious? Doesn't exactly take a genius to work out that a business with no dealings in India isn't sponsoring a test series to attract Indian customers...

 

[zn426]

NFL was thought to be a US product with a domestic US audience. Despite the sport being of little relevance historically in the UK, over time they have built up an interest, and in all probability Shahid Khan will bring a franchise here.

If the IPL tried such a move, they have a much better chance of instant success. There is a big Indian fan base in the UK, that has historically followed Indian cricket faithfully, and attended games. I reckon they would turn up - esp Punjabis to support the Punjab franchise. You add the bollywood aspect in, e.g. having Shah Rukh Khan and Preity Zinta at the games, then you are almost guaranteeing an Indian audience in the UK.

Secondly, one of the great things about the UK, as opposed to the Sub-Continent, is that there is a genuine love of sports. People do not follow cricket as a proxy of displaying their patriotism. Fans watch cricket for the love of the game. If you brought a team where you have AB de Villiers and Kohli batting together, versus Jos Buttler and Stokes - I genuinely believe people would turn up to watch it.

It can work, but I reckon they would have to try a couple of exhibition games first to gauge what kind of interest there is. Would also have to be the 'right' games - i.e. involving the most marketable players/franchises.

I doubt he will need to. The Jaguars are finally seeing good fan support now that they've started winning. The Jaguars will continue to play in London once a year, most likely.

There's no sense in IPL doing anything other than staging matches there. The time difference is too large to broadcast a British franchise in India.

 

[USofA]

Seems they lose money the year they dont host India or AUS.

Why? ECB is one of the Big3, Pakistan is a cricket crazy country, there is a huge Pak. population in the UK, the "best/premier" format of the game is being played....yet the host is losing money. Something does not add up.

 

[HitWicket]

Why? ECB is one of the Big3, Pakistan is a cricket crazy country, there is a huge Pak. population in the UK, the "best/premier" format of the game is being played....yet the host is losing money. Something does not add up.

Bear in mind the final profit/loss figure takes into account things such as the funding distributed to the counties. There'll likely be increases come 2020 though given the value of the TV rights deal will more than double bringing in an extra £120mn or so a year extra compared to the current one.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You've literally linked to it mate : "Sony Pictures Networks India has acquired from the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) exclusive media rights for the Indian subcontinent for a period of five years starting in 2018 through 2022, it was announced on Monday."

The next line says "This agreement with ECB gives SPN the rights to both televise and digitally broadcast within the Indian subcontinent, men's and women's international matches, including Test matches, T20 Internationals and ODIs, played in England, according to a release."

The ECB sell all their rights as collective packages which includes domestic cricket (as the exclusive rights comment suggests). It's one of the reason the new domestic tournament has been held back until 2020 as if it started any earlier Sky would have the nonnegotiable rights so the ECB couldn't push any game onto FTA.

You do not know what deal was given to SONY. Deals in the domestic and international markets vary. Else STAR by being virtue of a sister company of SKY would be showing the matches in India.

They do, but to be triggered they usually either require bankruptcy, a payout by one party or a specific clause to be broken (like the ECB agreeing a new sponsorship with NatWest).

Or a dispute with the Cricketing board of the country where SONY India is based.

But that's not the brand they're advertising is it. If they were focused on the Indian market it would be the RBS Test Series and not the NatWest test series wouldn't it.

Again, neither of us know what private OPs Natwest has in India..

You assume that there has to be direct dealings or that dealings have to exist at the present time.



Are you serious? Doesn't exactly take a genius to work out that a business with no dealings in India isn't sponsoring a test series to attract Indian customers...

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why? ECB is one of the Big3, Pakistan is a cricket crazy country, there is a huge Pak. population in the UK, the "best/premier" format of the game is being played....yet the host is losing money. Something does not add up.

May be because there isnt enough money coming from sponsors who want to target Pakistanis or the Tv deal isnt big enough. Pakistan essentially isnt a very big economy.

Anyways, the ECB says it makes losses.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bear in mind the final profit/loss figure takes into account things such as the funding distributed to the counties. There'll likely be increases come 2020 though given the value of the TV rights deal will more than double bringing in an extra £120mn or so a year extra compared to the current one.

Funding distributions happen every year. Its nothing new.

The extra money also has to be used to hold a T20 league successfully. So its not that the rights deal doubled just on basis of international cricket.

The counties to will get increased share of funds as they have to take care of rising costs.

 

[HitWicket]

The next line says "This agreement with ECB gives SPN the rights to both televise and digitally broadcast within the Indian subcontinent, men's and women's international matches, including Test matches, T20 Internationals and ODIs, played in England, according to a release."

You appear to be struggling with the wording so let me give you a made up example sentence :

"Company X has received the exclusive rights to distribute their product in Asia. This agreement gives Company X the right to sell the product in India".

The second line of this statement does not suggest that India is the only country contained within Asia, just as "this gives SPN the rights to televise England international games" after stating they have exclusive rights to ECB cricket doesn't suggest they solely have the right to international games and not all English cricket.

Or a dispute with the Cricketing board of the country where SONY India is based.

"A party has the right to cancel the 5 year deal if they are unhappy with a company based in the other parties country". - Please tell me you don't think this is a semi-plausible release clause.

Again, neither of us know what private OPs Natwest has in India..

You assume that there has to be direct dealings or that dealings have to exist at the present time.

By definition if you're conducting/trying to conduct private business then a sponsorship designed to appeal to the general public (like a test series title sponsorship) isn't going to be the route you go down is it...

 

[Hawkeye]

Damn.

Their business team is super intelligent; knows exactly how to increase revenues, global adoption and viewership by several multiples.

 

[HitWicket]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] If you need further proof that Sony bought the rights to all English cricket including domestic cricket they'll be showing an English one day cup game tomorrow, a tournament Star also happened to have the rights for when they owned the rights to English cricket.

 

[PakLFC]

IPL works in India coz the public are Cricket crazy. In England it will most likely not be the same success. I don't think the ECB would be happy either if it were to happen. Cricket will never crack the American market where they have their own Sports.

 

[Kaptan]

IPL works in India coz the public are Cricket crazy. In England it will most likely not be the same success. I don't think the ECB would be happy either if it were to happen. Cricket will never crack the American market where they have their own Sports.

But IPL worked in UAE (where PSL failed) and South Africa also, so why will it not work in England ?

 

[Hedz]

To create a fan base outside India. BCCI realises that with its riches it can tap into the foreign market as well. People from other countries including England do watch the IPL but I don’t think they feel an attachment or loyalty towards any franchise. A London based franchise will create it. Popularity of the IPL will increase and more people will start watching it. It’s not a bad idea at all.

You will be surprised, I live near London and have been a KKR supporter since season 1, for the same period my cousin has supported Kings XI Punjab. I have friends across England who support RCB, SRH and MI. So there is fan following and loyalty towards their teams

 

[PakLFC]

But IPL worked in UAE (where PSL failed) and South Africa also, so why will it not work in England ?

Coz UAE has a strong Cricket cazy community from the subcontinent. I don't think the PSL has failed although much behind the IPL at the moment. Cricket in England will never hold the same appeal that it does in the subcontinent or UAE.

 

[Asch Ali]

Is it possible to expand the IPL, dare I say, to Pakistan?

 

[Mr.Q]

You will be surprised, I live near London and have been a KKR supporter since season 1, for the same period my cousin has supported Kings XI Punjab. I have friends across England who support RCB, SRH and MI. So there is fan following and loyalty towards their teams

I’m surprised! Do you have any roots in India/Pakistan? And what is the reason to support a particular franchise? KKR was very ordinary in first few seasons. So I guess you must be having a very strong reason to support them (if you’re not an SRK fan).

Is it possible to expand the IPL, dare I say, to Pakistan?

Haha that’d be the greatest and most potent diplomatic development between India and Pakistan. We can bring the two countries closer by combining the franchises. Punjab + Punjab, Hyderabad + Hyderabad (Sindh) etc instead of allotting separate franchises. That’ll be great fun.

 

[Asch Ali]

Haha that’d be the greatest and most potent diplomatic development between India and Pakistan. We can bring the two countries closer by combining the franchises. Punjab + Punjab, Hyderabad + Hyderabad (Sindh) etc instead of allotting separate franchises. That’ll be great fun.

Yes there are a lot of teams. And IPL is already super long.

Kings Punjab can have some games in the Gaddafi Stadium.

 

[RainMan_]

Coz UAE has a strong Cricket cazy community from the subcontinent. I don't think the PSL has failed although much behind the IPL at the moment. Cricket in England will never hold the same appeal that it does in the subcontinent or UAE.

There r enough Indians in England to make IPL in ENGLAND a big success. Furthermore, BCCI knows how to market its product which is why IPL in UAE or SA got so much success. It will be easier for BCCI in a country like England.

 

[Hedz]

I’m surprised! Do you have any roots in India/Pakistan? And what is the reason to support a particular franchise? KKR was very ordinary in first few seasons. So I guess you must be having a very strong reason to support them (if you’re not an SRK fan).

Yh roots in Pakistan. The reason I supported KKR was cos they had the most Pakistani players at the time and as a youngster I was a big Shoaib Akhtar fan, but despite the Pakistani ban over the years my connection with the franchise has grown and some of my favourite Indian players have played for KKR.
The rest have a connection with India or Pakistan, but some have no connection to either country but still fans of IPL

 

[Mr.Q]

Yh roots in Pakistan. The reason I supported KKR was cos they had the most Pakistani players at the time and as a youngster I was a big Shoaib Akhtar fan, but despite the Pakistani ban over the years my connection with the franchise has grown and some of my favourite Indian players have played for KKR.
The rest have a connection with India or Pakistan, but some have no connection to either country but still fans of IPL

Glad to hear that. Don’t you think a London based franchise with some English stars in it would get even more attention?

 

[PakLFC]

There r enough Indians in England to make IPL in ENGLAND a big success. Furthermore, BCCI knows how to market its product which is why IPL in UAE or SA got so much success. It will be easier for BCCI in a country like England.

No. Indian's in England will not turn out for the IPL like they do in India or the UAE. The atmosphere in England is different moreover matches will mostly be played when people are at work or studying. It is not gonna happen.

 

[Hedz]

Glad to hear that. Don’t you think a London based franchise with some English stars in it would get even more attention?

Probably not, a few games in England would draw good attention, but doubt a permanent team would work in the long run and the ECB probably wouldn’t back such a move.
I don’t see it happening anytime soon, but the only expansion that can really boost the IPL would be inclusion of Pakistani players. It’s a massive market and would push the IPL as one of the best sporting leagues in the world

 

[Mr.Q]

Probably not, a few games in England would draw good attention, but doubt a permanent team would work in the long run and the ECB probably wouldn’t back such a move.
I don’t see it happening anytime soon, but the only expansion that can really boost the IPL would be inclusion of Pakistani players. It’s a massive market and would push the IPL as one of the best sporting leagues in the world

Agree. Let’s hope the two countries will sort out the issues between them pretty soon.

 

[Gilly]

Rajeev Shukla, the IPL chairman, said that it was doing “wonderfully well” and, after English football’s Premier League, it had become the world’s most important domestic sporting tournament. “Now we are planning to take it overseas to places like Dubai, the UK and also America,” he said.

Strange comment firstly claiming that EPL is the worlds most important domestic sporting tournament and then placing IPL as second. I wonder what basis he is using for this claim.