Iran has been the epi-centre of global terrorism since Khomeini Revolution : Shah Salman

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'We will never be lenient in trying anyone who finances terrorism' King Salman says
Narjas Zatat Sunday 21 May 2017

The Saudi king has claimed his country's regional rival Iran is the “tip of the spear” for global terrorism in a speech during Donald Trump’s visit to the country.

King Salman said: “Our responsibility before God and our people and the whole world is to stand united to fight the forces of evil and extremism wherever they are… The Iranian regime represents the tip of the spear of global terrorism."

He also warned against those who would finance terrorism, saying: "We will never be lenient in trying anyone who finances terrorism, in any way or means, to the full force of the law."


THIS IS THE UTTER HYPOCRISY OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OVER SAUDI ARA

The address came at a gathering of more than 50 majority-Muslim countries at the Arab summit in Riyadh. Notably, Syria and Iran were absent from the talks.

The accusation that Iran is exporting extremism to the world demonstrated the regional and sectarian tensions that divide Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shia Iran.


This is the utter hypocrisy of the Trump Administration over Saudi Ara

Donald Trump went to a man only dance party in Saudi Arabia

Donald Trump vows to help Saudis get 'good deal' from US defense firms

The Independent’s Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk argued that Mr Trump’s trip to the region would inflame an already electric political climate.

In the televised address, the king told audiences across the world that “we did not know terrorism and extremism until the Khomeini revolution reared its head”, referring to the 1979 Iranian revolution.


Saudi Arabia and the US recently announced a $110bn (£84.4bn) arms deal – the largest in the history of the country.


In October 2014, three lawyers, Dr Abdulrahman al-Subaihi, Bander al-Nogaithan and Abdulrahman al-Rumaih , were sentenced to up to eight years in prison for using Twitter to criticize the Ministry of Justice. AFP/Getty Images

In March 2015, Yemen’s Sunni President Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi was forced into exile after a Shia-led insurgency. A Saudi Arabia-led coalition has responded with air strikes in order to reinstate Mr Hadi. It has since been accused of committing war crimes in the country.

Speaking after the king, Donald Trump echoed his sentiments, and blamed Iran for providing Syria with "safe harbour, financial backing and the social standing needed for recruitment [of terrorists]".


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[hafeezrocks]

Trump also playing to the gallery there. Singling out Iran for fuelling the fires of sectarian conflict and terror.

 

[Adil_94]

Oh the irony this Trump presidency could work out quite nicely for Saudi and Israel.

 

[Zaz]

I see the Pot is calling the Kettle black again

 

[Yaasir]

Saudi and Iran are both an epicenter of extremism.

 

[ahsan17]

Oh jeez, do these people have their heads buried in the sand or what. Nearly every terrorist group that claims to be following Islam is inspired by the Saudi version of Islam. ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, TTP, LeJ, Al Shahab, Al Nusra, Boko Haram, the groups in South East Asia, etc. And Iran is supposed to be global epic center of terrorism? I mean, is this person living in a parallel universe where things are different?

 

[saeedhk]

Height of hypocrisy. Anyone who defies the U.S. is a terror state.

 

[Slog]

Height of hypocrisy. Anyone who defies the U.S. is a terror state.

replace US with Saudi here

 

[saeedhk]

replace US with Saudi here

Both are two sides of the same coin.

 

[Slog]

Both are two sides of the same coin.

US is bad acc to our people already so this is par on the course for them as per expectations

so its the saudis who need to be condemned

 

[saeedhk]

US is bad acc to our people already so this is par on the course for them as per expectations

so its the saudis who need to be condemned

Yes. Both are bad.

 

[Saeed]

So true, Iran has been hostile to everyone ever since their so called Islamic revolution. They were friendly with Pakistan until short sighted Khomeini came along.

 

[Markhor]

15 out of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia.

Saudis for years have nurtured Sunni militant outfits to use as proxies against Iran in the region. The hypocrisy is staggering.
[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] has mentioned many times how Saudis have funneled cash into Salafist madrassas that have become breeding grounds for extremism inside Pakistan, strengthening them to the point that even Pakistani government can't touch them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's Iran's turn to be the bad guys now Trump is in charge. Maybe if the Democrats get back in next term it will be back to Saudi Arabia.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I'm honestly surprised by the reactions to this by PP'ers. Thank goodness some sense prevails. It is ironic how Saudi Arabia is making such a statement because there is no secret in the fact that Saudi Arabia itself has been the epicenter of global terrorism.

However, it is a shame that this Arab worshiping Govt. will blindly follow Saudi Arabia and further deteriorate relations with our neighbors, the Persians. Miserable.

 

[Bewal Express]

The rivalry of these 2 pathetic countries is now the major cause of the chaos in the muslim world. How about the 2 accept that they are on the different side of the Islamic divide and work together to bring the Muslims together and help each other and others to develop. The only beneficiaries of their pathetic rivalry is people who hate both.

 

[Waseem]

The rivalry of these 2 pathetic countries is now the major cause of the chaos in the muslim world. How about the 2 accept that they are on the different side of the Islamic divide and work together to bring the Muslims together and help each other and others to develop. The only beneficiaries of their pathetic rivalry is people who hate both.

Absolutely pathetic and prime reason why thousands die in different countries. Look at the Saudis, spending Billions on weapons so they could kill more innocent people when they should have spent this money on universities, hospitals, food for African countries etc.

 

[enkidu_]

Only Imam Mahdi will reconcile the Islamic world around the illuminating principles of Tawhid it seems.

The US has nothing to lose and all to win by keeping the region in a perpetual state of geopolitical emergency, and turning the nations there into security states allocating all their resources in defence (or, basically, considering that they don't have the R&D to have their own arm industry, to feed the American militaro industrial complex.)

Imagine if all that money was in the hands of old Abbassid caliphs like Harun Ar Rashid and invested into education and more generically the development of the human capital.

Instead of orphans you'd see scholars popping up and perhaps Arabs/Muslims more in the news for benefiting humanity instead of schools, mosques, ... bombed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I'm honestly surprised by the reactions to this by PP'ers. Thank goodness some sense prevails. It is ironic how Saudi Arabia is making such a statement because there is no secret in the fact that Saudi Arabia itself has been the epicenter of global terrorism.

However, it is a shame that this Arab worshiping Govt. will blindly follow Saudi Arabia and further deteriorate relations with our neighbors, the Persians. Miserable.

I wonder why they don't call themselves Persians in Iran itself? The only ones who refer to themselves as Persians any more are the expats who live abroad, and they are generally trying to distance themselves as much as possible from their Islamic heritage/burden (depending on viewpoint).

 

[enkidu_]

I wonder why they don't call themselves Persians in Iran itself? The only ones who refer to themselves as Persians any more are the expats who live abroad, and they are generally trying to distance themselves as much as possible from their Islamic heritage/burden (depending on viewpoint).

Persians are just one of the ethnic groups of Iran, making up 60% of the nation. There are a dozen of other ethnic groups, in majority Azeris, to which belongs the current Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei. The expats who self identity as Persians are probably the ultra nationalists one who still cheer up for the Pahlavi "dynasty" (a "dynasty" which is younger than Coca-Cola company.) Like the White émigrés during after the Russian revolution, they're not representative ; even when their parents were back home under the Shah they were a cocoon on their own in north Tehran, disconnected from the populace. Richard Foltz, one of the world specialists of Iran (its civilization, culture, ...) has produced some good texts on how actually unrepresentative these peoples are, despite the "noise".

As Western academics note, when Iranians ask for reforms, they shout "Allahu akbar" and Ashura slogans ; barely anyone talks of destroying the current régime. Even the main dissident Akbar Ganji speaks more of a smooth transition towards democracy with Islamic characteristics as envisioned by the thinker, Dr. Ali Shariati (an influence on Imran Khan too).

Iranians (those "at home") don't push the Persian card too much for the national integrity of Iran if anything (and that's why Azeri separatism is clinically dead while Kurdish separatism has been re-awakened after aeons because of the developments in Iraq, with the fight against ISIS.)

 

[Saeed]

However, it is a shame that this Arab worshiping Govt. will blindly follow Saudi Arabia and further deteriorate relations with our neighbors, the Persians. Miserable.

Thats ok. Why should anyone love the oppressive Islamic government of Iran? They even offer Iranian citizenship and free education for kids in a legit way if your fight for their interests in Syria. Just saying in case someone wants to leave Arab worshipping Pakistan.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Only Imam Mahdi will reconcile the Islamic world around the illuminating principles of Tawhid it seems.

I Respect your wishes and feelings.




Many eminent Muslim saints had predicted that the Mehdi would be opposed bitterly by the Muslim divines.

(1) The Reformer of the second millennium, may Allah have mercy on him, wrote, concerning the Mehdi:

It is most likely that the superficial divines would reject him and would regard him as opposed to the Holy Book and the practice of the Holy Prophet. (Maktoobat Imam Rabbani, Vol.11, p. 55)

The same will be the case of the Mehdi, peace be on him. All the muqallids will become his bitter enemies and will conspire to assassinate him, alleging that he is corrupting their faith. (Iqtrabas Saat, p.244)


(2) Hazrat Shaikh Mohyuddin ibn Arabi recorded:

When Imam Mehdi appears the divines and the jurists will be his bitter enemies. (Futuhati Makkiyyah, Vol.11, p.242)


(3) Nawab Siddique Hasan khan wrote:

When the Mehdi, peace be on him, starts his campaign for the revival of the practice of the Holy Prophet, and to put down innovations, the contemporary divines, who are committed to following the jurists and are devoted to their leading men of the past and to their ancestors, will say that he seeks to ruin their faith and the Muslim community. They will rise up in opposition to him and according to their custom they will declare him a disbeliever. (Hujajul Karamah, p.363)

 

[ExpressPacer]

I wonder why they don't call themselves Persians in Iran itself? The only ones who refer to themselves as Persians any more are the expats who live abroad, and they are generally trying to distance themselves as much as possible from their Islamic heritage/burden (depending on viewpoint).

Perhaps because of some of the rather controversial laws being made under the Khomeni regime. Persians (or Iranians) were very much like the Europeans pre-Khomeni era and while they did pray and call themselves Muslims, they were far from proper Muslims in terms of modesty. So, after Khomeini, there was an entire Revolution in Iran and many new laws were enforced - some of which are a little extreme so perhaps out of embarrassment, they choose to disassociate themselves from Iran.

Or maybe they prefer to refer to themselves as Persians because that is their ethnicity. Much like how Indian Sikhs call themselves Punjabi instead of Indian once abroad.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Thats ok. Why should anyone love the oppressive Islamic government of Iran? They even offer Iranian citizenship and free education for kids in a legit way if your fight for their interests in Syria. Just saying in case someone wants to leave Arab worshipping Pakistan.

Thanks for the suggestion but sorry, I'd rather stay in Pakistan and work towards making it a better place, unlike some people.

 

[Saeed]

Thanks for the suggestion but sorry, I'd rather stay in Pakistan and work towards making it a better place, unlike some people.

Thought so, maybe some other people think similarly.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Persians are just one of the ethnic groups of Iran, making up 60% of the nation. There are a dozen of other ethnic groups, in majority Azeris, to which belongs the current Supreme Leader, Ali Khamenei. The expats who self identity as Persians are probably the ultra nationalists one who still cheer up for the Pahlavi "dynasty" (a "dynasty" which is younger than Coca-Cola company.) Like the White émigrés during after the Russian revolution, they're not representative ; even when their parents were back home under the Shah they were a cocoon on their own in north Tehran, disconnected from the populace. Richard Foltz, one of the world specialists of Iran (its civilization, culture, ...) has produced some good texts on how actually unrepresentative these peoples are, despite the "noise".

As Western academics note, when Iranians ask for reforms, they shout "Allahu akbar" and Ashura slogans ; barely anyone talks of destroying the current régime. Even the main dissident Akbar Ganji speaks more of a smooth transition towards democracy with Islamic characteristics as envisioned by the thinker, Dr. Ali Shariati (an influence on Imran Khan too).

Iranians (those "at home") don't push the Persian card too much for the national integrity of Iran if anything (and that's why Azeri separatism is clinically dead while Kurdish separatism has been re-awakened after aeons because of the developments in Iraq, with the fight against ISIS.)

Interesting, I don't know that much about Iran, my direct contact has generally been with dissident students who are in exile and hate the regime as well as big supporters of the Shah. It always seems strange to see these people and compare them with Iranians in their own homeland. Obviously a big disparity.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Perhaps because of some of the rather controversial laws being made under the Khomeni regime. Persians (or Iranians) were very much like the Europeans pre-Khomeni era and while they did pray and call themselves Muslims, they were far from proper Muslims in terms of modesty. So, after Khomeini, there was an entire Revolution in Iran and many new laws were enforced - some of which are a little extreme so perhaps out of embarrassment, they choose to disassociate themselves from Iran.

Or maybe they prefer to refer to themselves as Persians because that is their ethnicity. Much like how Indian Sikhs call themselves Punjabi instead of Indian once abroad.

If Persia is their ethnicity, then where did Iran come from? How do Iranian natives pronounce Persia? Is it the same as the western?

 

[ExpressPacer]

If Persia is their ethnicity, then where did Iran come from? How do Iranian natives pronounce Persia? Is it the same as the western?

Iran was the name of the country in Persian which meant "The Land of the Aryans". And no, they call their country Iran. Persia was the name used by the West and Reza Shah, the Shah of Iran in the 1930's asked foreign delegates to call them Iran.

 

[enkidu_]

Interesting, I don't know that much about Iran, my direct contact has generally been with dissident students who are in exile and hate the regime as well as big supporters of the Shah. It always seems strange to see these people and compare them with Iranians in their own homeland. Obviously a big disparity.

Yes, and that's where the "White émigrés" who fled the 1917 Bolshevik revolution become an interesting analogy : many in France, UK, US, ... back in the days wondered "how come did Lenin win with his revolution when literally all of the Russians we meet here are conservative and/or religious" ? Then you eventually come up with the terms that the White émigrés represented a bit less than 1% of the total Soviet, or even strictly ethnically Russian, population.

That's a bit like the local "liberal" PP contingency in some way.

 

[enkidu_]

I Respect your wishes and feelings.




Many eminent Muslim saints had predicted that the Mehdi would be opposed bitterly by the Muslim divines.

(1) The Reformer of the second millennium, may Allah have mercy on him, wrote, concerning the Mehdi:

It is most likely that the superficial divines would reject him and would regard him as opposed to the Holy Book and the practice of the Holy Prophet. (Maktoobat Imam Rabbani, Vol.11, p. 55)

The same will be the case of the Mehdi, peace be on him. All the muqallids will become his bitter enemies and will conspire to assassinate him, alleging that he is corrupting their faith. (Iqtrabas Saat, p.244)


(2) Hazrat Shaikh Mohyuddin ibn Arabi recorded:

When Imam Mehdi appears the divines and the jurists will be his bitter enemies. (Futuhati Makkiyyah, Vol.11, p.242)


(3) Nawab Siddique Hasan khan wrote:

When the Mehdi, peace be on him, starts his campaign for the revival of the practice of the Holy Prophet, and to put down innovations, the contemporary divines, who are committed to following the jurists and are devoted to their leading men of the past and to their ancestors, will say that he seeks to ruin their faith and the Muslim community. They will rise up in opposition to him and according to their custom they will declare him a disbeliever. (Hujajul Karamah, p.363)

Yes I've read Ibn 'Arabi's book on the subject. The clerical class has been too corrupted by the dunya, it's not a surprise.

 

[JaDed]

Khomeini saved people of Iran from being a puppet to Western governments,today they have more self respect,aren't dependent on any country as such and are innovating and promoting their culture/food well.

Freedom of index is defn an issue but then again it is also in China ,atleast people aren't dying of hunger and lynching in these two countries compared to South Asia.

 

[PakLFC]

Iran does cause a lot of trouble for its neighbours. There is no doubt about this It suffers from some sort of Shia complex or victim mentality thinking it is unique in some way.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Yes I've read Ibn 'Arabi's book on the subject. The clerical class has been too corrupted by the dunya, it's not a surprise.

You consider Hazrat Sheikh Mohaeeuddin Ibn e Arabi Rehmatullah Aleh as a Reformer within Islam ?

 

[SandyB]

Iran was the name of the country in Persian which meant "The Land of the Aryans". And no, they call their country Iran. Persia was the name used by the West and Reza Shah, the Shah of Iran in the 1930's asked foreign delegates to call them Iran.

WOW TIL.

Throughout ancient / mideval indial texts, Iran is referred to as "Persia", maybe that has to do with the power of the persian empire as well ..
[MENTION=141922]ExpressPacer[/MENTION] If "IRAN" does mean that , how much do Iranians identify with the Aryan race theory ? And do they consider themselves different from other Arabs ? . What is their veiw on the impact their civilization has had on the subcontinent. ?