Is a vote for PML(N) a vote for civilian supremacy?

[Loralai]

This is the hot question at the moment.

Nobody doubts that PML(N) is corrupt and that Nawaz Sharif and Hanif Abbasi were guilty of corruption.

However, the timing and orchestration of these moves have left many unsatisfied and questioning whether there is a soft coup of sorts taking place.

Many people who previously would have recoiled at the thought of voting for PML(N) have put their concerns aside and decided to vote in their favour because they see it as a vote for civilian over military supremacy.

Is this the correct logic? What impact will this have tomorrow.

 

[Manager101]

Vote for PML-N is vote for massive corruption, murder and drug dealing.

 

[enkidu_]

Reading some I feel they'd vote for Iblis if he stands against the "Establishment".

Didn't know "civilian supremacy" could mean the lack of civility/sacrifice of basic ethical norms.

 

[Waseem]

Put your hand on heart and tell us please [MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] is Nawaz Sarif fighting for civilian supermacy?

I am happy to forget everything he did under Zia and his treatment of Benazir, let's say he learnt his lesson, came back did Mesaq e jamhooriat and then what??

Didn't he campaign for Gilani to be dismissed?? I might have agreed with Gilani's dismissal myself but I have been told that dismissal of elected PM is such a disaster DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE ALL KNOW NAWAZ IS CORRUPT AND ESTABLISHMENT COULD NOT HAVE INFLUENCED PANAMA CASE???

So why did Nawaz say we will stand behind our judiciary and send 10 PMs homes if we have to???

Was Gilani's crime bigger than Nawaz who only refused to write letter for Zaradri's $60million??

On the other hand, as per dailymail Nawaz has further 21 properties in UK (none declared) and one he sold was wroth $57 million.

Now if you still think Nawaz is fighting for democracy then i can only feel sorry for such ignorance.

 

[Loralai]

Put your hand on heart and tell us please [MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] is Nawaz Sarif fighting for civilian supermacy?

I am happy to forget everything he did under Zia and his treatment of Benazir, let's say he learnt his lesson, came back did Mesaq e jamhooriat and then what??

Didn't he campaign for Gilani to be dismissed?? I might have agreed with Gilani's dismissal myself but I have been told that dismissal of elected PM is such a disaster DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE ALL KNOW NAWAZ IS CORRUPT AND ESTABLISHMENT COULD NOT HAVE INFLUENCED PANAMA CASE???

So why did Nawaz say we will stand behind our judiciary and send 10 PMs homes if we have to???

Was Gilani's crime bigger than Nawaz who only refused to write letter for Zaradri's $60million??

On the other hand, as per dailymail Nawaz has further 21 properties in UK (none declared) and one he sold was wroth $57 million.

Now if you still think Nawaz is fighting for democracy then i can only feel sorry for such ignorance.

I am not a PML-N supporter and wouldn't vote for them.

I am just posing this question as it is being discussed on social media and also certain circles.

 

[Waseem]

I am not a PML-N supporter and wouldn't vote for them.

I am just posing this question as it is being discussed on social media and also certain circles.

I know you are not a PMLN supporter but i just find it amazing how certain section of media totally brainwashes even the best of brains.

You know Nawaz Sharif has had multiple cases including Asghar Khan but he always escaped and he thought he would escape Panama as well, Imran Khan put lot of effort before case was taken by Supreme Court.

Now he must have been saved by some powers for 3 decades, just because they refused this time it doesn't mean it's all a conspiracy against democracy. It's just time to pay for his crimes and nothing to do with democracy.

 

[Little Master]

Vote for PML-N is vote for massive corruption, murder and drug dealing.

This in short.

 

[Mian]

Vote for PMLN and another chance for PMLN to form govt means civil war in Pakistan not civil supremacy.

 

[srh]

This is the hot question at the moment.

Nobody doubts that PML(N) is corrupt and that Nawaz Sharif and Hanif Abbasi were guilty of corruption.

However, the timing and orchestration of these moves have left many unsatisfied and questioning whether there is a soft coup of sorts taking place.

Many people who previously would have recoiled at the thought of voting for PML(N) have put their concerns aside and decided to vote in their favour because they see it as a vote for civilian over military supremacy.

Is this the correct logic? What impact will this have tomorrow.

I would always vote for civilian supremacy. The worst thing happened to Pakistan was the military supremacy. Military supremacy is the root cause of all the problems of Pakistan. Fact.

But Nawaz Sharif is the biggest liar I have ever seen. What is the guarantee that him asking to vote for civilian supremacy is not for hiding his corruption? With all his lies he can never be trusted.

I would vote for PTI only because they have not been tested yet on Federal level unlike PML-N and PPP. But if PTI work to put civilian supremacy down as many are afraid that Imran Khan will become a stooge of military, then I will turn against PTI.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is a round about way of saying Imran Khan is an army stooge.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Also of course, by describing PML-N as the vote for a civilian govt, the implication is that the Sharif clan are clean of any army influence, something which most of the liberals never claimed prior to the PTI threat to form a govt.

 

[Mamoon]

It is important to make a distinction here. There are two types of people who are going to vote for PML-N tomorrow.

(1) hardcore PML-N supporters (2) people who are strictly against military interference in politics.

The hardcore PML-N supporters are loyalists who have been voting for them for generations. No matter what happens, they are not going to switch their allegiance and they believe that all this corruption is nothing but propaganda against him.

The second group, i.e. people like me, are not PML-N supporters. Quite a few of them voted for PTI in the past, and they do not deny the corruption of the Sharif family.

However, these people also believe that military interference in our politics has done more damage to the country than the corruption of Nawaz and Zardari.

They will side with any party that opposes the military, and if Nawaz switches allegiance in the future and Imran starts to take a stand against the establishment, they will happily stand with Imran.

The only thing we want is civil supremacy and for our democracy to strengthen. That is not possible as long as we don’t keep the military at bay.

There has been intense pre-poll rigging by the military in this election, but the power is still with the people. Their vote can change everything, and that is why I urge every Pakistani who believes in civil supremacy and who believes in democracy to vote for PML-N tomorrow, not because they deserve our vote but because we don’t want the establishment to win.

 

[Badsha]

It is important to make a distinction here. There are two types of people who are going to vote for PML-N tomorrow.

(1) hardcore PML-N supporters (2) people who are strictly against military interference in politics.

The hardcore PML-N supporters are loyalists who have been voting for them for generations. No matter what happens, they are not going to switch their allegiance and they believe that all this corruption is nothing but propaganda against him.

The second group, i.e. people like me, are not PML-N supporters. Quite a few of them voted for PTI in the past, and they do not deny the corruption of the Sharif family.

However, these people also believe that military interference in our politics has done more damage to the country than the corruption of Nawaz and Zardari.

They will side with any party that opposes the military, and if Nawaz switches allegiance in the future and Imran starts to take a stand against the establishment, they will happily stand with Imran.

The only thing we want is civil supremacy and for our democracy to strengthen. That is not possible as long as we don’t keep the military at bay.

There has been intense pre-poll rigging by the military in this election, but the power is still with the people. Their vote can change everything, and that is why I urge every Pakistani who believes in civil supremacy and who believes in democracy to vote for PML-N tomorrow, not because they deserve our vote but because we don’t want the establishment to win.

Those people are incredibly dumb then. If you truly believe PTI is backed by the military you cannot deny N league would be nowhere without the military. By that logic you should vote for any other party.

Ah forget it. There's no logic when you want to vote for a convicted criminal!

 

[Mamoon]

Those people are incredibly dumb then. If you truly believe PTI is backed by the military you cannot deny N league would be nowhere without the military. By that logic you should vote for any other party.

Ah forget it. There's no logic when you want to vote for a convicted criminal!

That is true, but if it is a choice between a party that has danced to the military tunes in the past and a party that is dancing to the military tunes now, the decision is easy.

 

[Slog]

The only people the PML-N stands for is the Sharif family

I have always despised them and it has only increased in recent times. It's not even being pro-PTI why I would oppose PML-N.I'd rather take even PPP thann PML-N. MQM are angels compared to PML-N.

I only wish that the Sharif family keeps getting humiliated like they have been for the past year for the rest of their pathetic lives. That's how deep my hatred for them is. They truly are thugs.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

The only people the PML-N stands for is the Sharif family

I have always despised them and it has only increased in recent times. It's not even being pro-PTI why I would oppose PML-N.I'd rather take even PPP thann PML-N. MQM are angels compared to PML-N.

I only wish that the Sharif family keeps getting humiliated like they have been for the past year for the rest of their pathetic lives. That's how deep my hatred for them is. They truly are thugs.

I can tell you in lahore they have not much supports but in (Pind) they have bigger supporters.

 

[Lonewarrior]

vote ko ijjat do.

 

[DRsohail]

It is important to make a distinction here. There are two types of people who are going to vote for PML-N tomorrow.

(1) hardcore PML-N supporters (2) people who are strictly against military interference in politics.

The hardcore PML-N supporters are loyalists who have been voting for them for generations. No matter what happens, they are not going to switch their allegiance and they believe that all this corruption is nothing but propaganda against him.

The second group, i.e. people like me, are not PML-N supporters. Quite a few of them voted for PTI in the past, and they do not deny the corruption of the Sharif family.

However, these people also believe that military interference in our politics has done more damage to the country than the corruption of Nawaz and Zardari.

They will side with any party that opposes the military, and if Nawaz switches allegiance in the future and Imran starts to take a stand against the establishment, they will happily stand with Imran.

The only thing we want is civil supremacy and for our democracy to strengthen. That is not possible as long as we don’t keep the military at bay.

There has been intense pre-poll rigging by the military in this election, but the power is still with the people. Their vote can change everything, and that is why I urge every Pakistani who believes in civil supremacy and who believes in democracy to vote for PML-N tomorrow, not because they deserve our vote but because we don’t want the establishment to win.

Kya logic ha,,wah bhai waah,

 

[DRsohail]

chor ko Ezat do.

 

[Sirris]

If Nawaz Sharif had any guts then he should have come out and spoken clear words about the hidden establishment. At the very least when he knew his time was up and he is going to jail for 11 years, which in his mind was the work of establishment, he should have spoken up and taken his enemy to the grave. The fact that he didn't do so means either he hopes to regain the blessing of the establishment or he has nothing of concrete proof to share.

Now you make up your own mind.

 

[Mian]

Civil supremacy can take a break the new savior of democracy in Pakistan moved to London with 10+ bags for treatment you know

 

[Bewal Express]

Civil supremacy can take a break the new savior of democracy in Pakistan moved to London with 10+ bags for treatment you know

There is a hell of lot of medicine in those bags.

 

[WebGuru]

There is a hell of lot of medicine in those bags.

Mian Sahab is planning to open a pharmacy in London? Mian Pharmacy

 

[King-Misbah]

Mian Sahab is planning to open a pharmacy in London? Mian Pharmacy

I hope noony lead pharmacist: Hanif Abbasi is somehow able to get a UK visa

 

[Bewal Express]

Mian Sahab is planning to open a pharmacy in London? Mian Pharmacy

It contains the miracle cure that allowed him to walk, after being at deaths door and intensive care the day before.

 

[Savak]

Vote for PML N is the freedom to indulge ins $40 billion of corruption without any accountability

 

[WebGuru]

It contains the miracle cure that allowed him to walk, after being at deaths door and intensive care the day before.

True!

There are too many examples to prove that Civil Supremacy and PMLN shouldn't be written in same line ever again.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Nawaz himself is a product of establishment. It is Nawaz's own mistake that he did not get along well with army since the days of Kargil. Those were the times when Nawaz was under the delusion that the heavy mandate he received in the mid 90s was enough to tame the army.

They are all opportunists. They will jump on the bandwagon of establishment as soon as some crumbs are thrown their way.