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Seems a lot of sabre-rattling and statements from Afghans, probably at the behest of India could take things to an ugly level.
But is it likely?
But is it likely?
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Is a war between a Taliban based Afghanistan and Pakistan a possibility?
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US throwing its 2 cents also
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The United States on Tuesday supported Pakistan's right to defend itself from terrorism and said that Pakistani people have "suffered tremendously" from terror attacks.
In a weekly press briefing, US State Department Spokesperson Ned Price, while responding to a question regarding Pakistan’s National Security Committee's (NSC) statement that indicated that it might resort to targeting the terrorist safe havens across the border if Afghanistan did not take the appropriate action, stated that “the Pakistani people have suffered tremendously from terrorist attacks,” adding that “Pakistan has a right to defend itself from terrorism”.
Price furthered that the US will continue “to call on the Taliban to uphold the very commitment they have made to see to it that Afghan soil is never again used as a launchpad for international terrorist attacks”.
Express Tribune
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The United States on Tuesday supported Pakistan's right to defend itself from terrorism and said that Pakistani people have "suffered tremendously" from terror attacks.
In a weekly press briefing, US State Department Spokesperson Ned Price, while responding to a question regarding Pakistan’s National Security Committee's (NSC) statement that indicated that it might resort to targeting the terrorist safe havens across the border if Afghanistan did not take the appropriate action, stated that “the Pakistani people have suffered tremendously from terrorist attacks,” adding that “Pakistan has a right to defend itself from terrorism”.
Price furthered that the US will continue “to call on the Taliban to uphold the very commitment they have made to see to it that Afghan soil is never again used as a launchpad for international terrorist attacks”.
Express Tribune
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Taliban can’t fight anyone directly, their war is always guerrilla tactics!
Also I don’t think India should be blamed for this one, Pakistan agency was in Afghanistan when Taliban took over, everyone here celebrated their win.
Also I don’t think India should be blamed for this one, Pakistan agency was in Afghanistan when Taliban took over, everyone here celebrated their win.
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Agreed.
Pakistan unnecessarily became the cheer leaders of the Taliban.
Now we will have to deal with these psychos while we have also angered the average Afghan who blames Pakistan for bringing them back.
Do you believe India is responsible for the current aggression from Taliban?
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They don't need to but they can provide info to Taliban to goad them.
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Enemy of my enemy is my ....
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Nothing to do with India. India has left most of its operations in Afghanistan once Taliban came back to
This has Imran Khan’s doing. He was the champion of the Taliban in Afghanistan and people are now seeing what real snakes they are.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
We played stupid games in Afghanistan over the last few decades, and now we've gotten a Special gift at our borders in the form of Talibans.
Now since the Talibans are not busy anymore fighting the US and the NATO, they've got to fight someone to get themselves busy and feel like their usual self, and it's gonna be Pakistan this time..
We played stupid games in Afghanistan over the last few decades, and now we've gotten a Special gift at our borders in the form of Talibans.
Now since the Talibans are not busy anymore fighting the US and the NATO, they've got to fight someone to get themselves busy and feel like their usual self, and it's gonna be Pakistan this time..
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Fair point. But India's question would be
Is it in India's strategic interest to have these psychos come anywhere near to Islamabad
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Weakening Pakistan temporarily
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I hope there will be no war.
But, India may instigate things. So, you never know.
But, India may instigate things. So, you never know.
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It looks like Taliban are looking for a fight and that's understandable.
The only thing that keeps the Taliban's factions together is when they're waging a war, it's what they do best. Current Taliban lacks the competency on any level to run a country and conduct diplomatic relations. On the other hand fighting, killing etc.. are where their core competence lies.
If you let soldiers run a country, having an enemy is critical to their existence.
The only thing that keeps the Taliban's factions together is when they're waging a war, it's what they do best. Current Taliban lacks the competency on any level to run a country and conduct diplomatic relations. On the other hand fighting, killing etc.. are where their core competence lies.
If you let soldiers run a country, having an enemy is critical to their existence.
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Folks here would have come across pictures of Afghanistan in 1970s. Women and men walking together. And what is is today. This is the capability of Taliban. Following reasons why Taliban will be biggest existential crisis for Pakistan :-
1) Many in Pakistan are genuine supporters of Taliban and their idelology. I am sure they would want the same sharia imposed in Pakistan.
2) Guerilla warfare with open borders. Flailing economy and growing discontent will become cornerstone.
3) Baloch and TTP making a common cause supported by enemies to destabilize the country. Latest attacks in Punjab sends a strong and clear message.
4) TTP ideology is unlike any terrorist. They don't recognize the Durand line. In many ways they don't recognize Pakistan.
1) Many in Pakistan are genuine supporters of Taliban and their idelology. I am sure they would want the same sharia imposed in Pakistan.
2) Guerilla warfare with open borders. Flailing economy and growing discontent will become cornerstone.
3) Baloch and TTP making a common cause supported by enemies to destabilize the country. Latest attacks in Punjab sends a strong and clear message.
4) TTP ideology is unlike any terrorist. They don't recognize the Durand line. In many ways they don't recognize Pakistan.
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Pakistan and its Pak posters have always thought of Afghan Taliban as their ally including majority posters here, I'll not bump any threads because it was not long ago.
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How so? Please explain in detail how Afghan Taliban will be influenced by India?
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While that can happen allies-enemies change, Its unfair to blame India for this because there is enough evidence of Pakistani agency being in Afghanistan when Taliban took over.
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LOL come close to Islamabad?
You make it sound as if India is going to decide that.
Nothing of that sort will EVER happen.
Too much drama on here.
When you side with snakes, prepared to be bitten.
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Let me put another theory , Pakistani Establishment feels weak now and in need of PR and an enemy, India,Iran would be a full fledged war that would be huge losses but with Taliban they can control how long the war goes for and hence their war with Afghan Taliban.
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Well it would be hypocritical.
Pakistanis were the one who used to say Afghanistan would be better off without USA. There were many Pakistani brits here who celebrated Taliban being back....
Pakistan is 22 years late.... Had this nation been honest with USA and helped them eliminate the Taliban, we would had not seen the APS attack..
Its obvious that now any war in Afghanistan by Pakistan would be done for three things
1. Positive PR for the Pak army.
2. Getting a large budget cut for Pak army
3. Getting funding from USA.
Problem is, when Pakistan gets stuck in the war, they will need USA to save their behinds. Now, we were the ones that sabotage USA. We were the ones who ate their aid money and kept bin laden in the country protected.... When USA was already fighting a war there, we didnt help them but try to sabotage them.
Now the question is, would USA be ready to return to that god for saken country? Will they help Pakistan once we get in the mess.
US will provide us money, there is doubt about that.
Pakistanis were the one who used to say Afghanistan would be better off without USA. There were many Pakistani brits here who celebrated Taliban being back....
Pakistan is 22 years late.... Had this nation been honest with USA and helped them eliminate the Taliban, we would had not seen the APS attack..
Its obvious that now any war in Afghanistan by Pakistan would be done for three things
1. Positive PR for the Pak army.
2. Getting a large budget cut for Pak army
3. Getting funding from USA.
Problem is, when Pakistan gets stuck in the war, they will need USA to save their behinds. Now, we were the ones that sabotage USA. We were the ones who ate their aid money and kept bin laden in the country protected.... When USA was already fighting a war there, we didnt help them but try to sabotage them.
Now the question is, would USA be ready to return to that god for saken country? Will they help Pakistan once we get in the mess.
US will provide us money, there is doubt about that.
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There are many ways they can instigate things (like they did in Balochistan).
They can instigate things on social media and rile up Afghans. They can offer covert logistical helps and weapons to Taliban. Just two examples.
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That’s over simplifying things.
First question is is Taliban or whatever the off shoot organization TTP is just a hired gun or do they have any religious or any other motivations to create havoc in Pakistan. If they have strong enough motivation then why does india need to give them more motivation be it money or something else?
Secondly Taliban etc seem to have more sophisticated weapons left over by USA. Guns of better technology and quality than what most lower rung policemen or even soldiers have in India or Pakistan army. So don’t think India need to give them ammunition.
So why exactly is India being dragged in here?
Also it’s ironic that terrorists from Afghanistan are creating havoc in Pakistan but the sentiment seems to be “we will talk to our brothers in Afghanistan” or that PTI spokeswomen who said Taliban will liberate Kashmir etc.
Also if enemy of my enemy thing is true than Pakistan has poor relationship with Iran, Israel, France, Afghanistan and recently issues with USA. Maybe you are international policies are giving us a lot of friends on a platter. Not to mention your (Pakistan) friends who are already our closer friends lol.
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Afghanistan have always been at a state of war with Pakistan, even before Pakistan was created. Back then they were warring with Punjab India. The only time there was really any sort of compliance with Pakistan was when USA used Pakistan/Afghanistan to fight the Russian invasion.
The creation of Pakistan effectively provided India with a security buffer zone with Pakistan taking the flak instead of them directly.
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You are biased beyond a point now.
Problem is we are just as broke like afghsnistan and don't have any money.
War costs money
So how will we wage war where usa nato squandered billions and didn't achieve nothing
And getting usa involved will just be a disaster anyway .
Country is in a very difficult predicament .
Afghans in whatever form they are secular , taliban , communist are open enemies of pakistan.
Only option is to kick Afghans out secure the borders expect guerilla attacks
But then we will have to hit them back with drones artillery but securing the border you will need money and equipment and proper gear for our soldiers which costs money , a tin can hilux and barbed wire won't hold these Afghans and their qabali brethren at bay.
War costs money
So how will we wage war where usa nato squandered billions and didn't achieve nothing
And getting usa involved will just be a disaster anyway .
Country is in a very difficult predicament .
Afghans in whatever form they are secular , taliban , communist are open enemies of pakistan.
Only option is to kick Afghans out secure the borders expect guerilla attacks
But then we will have to hit them back with drones artillery but securing the border you will need money and equipment and proper gear for our soldiers which costs money , a tin can hilux and barbed wire won't hold these Afghans and their qabali brethren at bay.
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Taliban Official Mocks Pakistan By Sharing Old Pic Of 1971 War Surrender To India
Taliban leader and deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Yasir shared a photo of Islamabad surrendering to India after the 1971 war that led to the formation of Bangladesh.
"Interior Minister of Pakistan! Excellent Sir! Afghanistan, Syria and Pakistan are not Turkey to target the Kurds in Syria. This is Afghanistan, the graveyard of proud empires. Do not think of a military attack on us, otherwise there will be a shameful repetition of the military agreement with India," Mr Yasir wrote in Urdu.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ps" dir="rtl">د پاکستان داخله وزیر ته !<br>عالي جنابه! افغانستان سوريه او پاکستان ترکیه نده چې کردان په سوریه کې په نښه کړي.<br>دا افغانستان دى د مغرورو امپراتوريو هديره.<br>په مونږ دنظامي يرغل سوچ مه کړه کنه دهند سره دکړې نظامي معاهدې د شرم تکرار به وي داخاوره مالک لري هغه چې ستا بادار يې په ګونډو کړ. <a href="https://t.co/FFu8DyBgio">pic.twitter.com/FFu8DyBgio</a></p>— Ahmad Yasir (@AhmadYasir711) <a href="https://twitter.com/AhmadYasir711/status/1609755114327212037?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The Taliban on Monday mocked Pakistan and warned of a befitting response after the country's interior minister Rana Sanaullah hinted at a possible military operation against the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) hideouts in Afghanistan.
Taking to Twitter, Taliban leader and deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Yasir shared a photo of Islamabad surrendering to India after the 1971 war that led to the formation of Bangladesh. In the caption, he warned that Pakistan would face the same "shameful" fate if it launched a military attack on the TTP.
The picture shows Pakistan Army's commander in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) Lieutenant General Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi accepting the decisive defeat and singing the "Instrument of Surrender" in Dhaka in the presence of General Officer Commanding-in-chief (GOC-in-C) of Indian and Bangladesh Forces in Eastern Theatre Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora in 1971.
The image was clicked on December 16, 1971. The day is celebrated as Vijay Diwas in India. It marks the day India helped in the liberation of Bangladesh.
Meanwhile, Mr Yasir's warning comes days after Pakistan's Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah said that Islamabad has the legal authority to act against “insurgents' hideouts” in Afghanistan if its nation is threatened by such groups.
In response to this, the Taliban also stated that they would not allow anyone to attack Afghanistan. According to RFERL, its spokesperson Zabiullah Mujahid said that Afghanistan wants to have good relations with Pakistan but its official should use caution when they make comments. Separately, the Taliban's Defense Ministry in Kabul stated "such claims by Pakistani officials harm relations" and any issues can be "resolved through understanding".
https://www.ndtv.com/feature/taliban-official-mocks-pakistan-by-sharing-old-pic-of-1971-war-surrender-to-india-3660016
Taliban leader and deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Yasir shared a photo of Islamabad surrendering to India after the 1971 war that led to the formation of Bangladesh.
"Interior Minister of Pakistan! Excellent Sir! Afghanistan, Syria and Pakistan are not Turkey to target the Kurds in Syria. This is Afghanistan, the graveyard of proud empires. Do not think of a military attack on us, otherwise there will be a shameful repetition of the military agreement with India," Mr Yasir wrote in Urdu.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ps" dir="rtl">د پاکستان داخله وزیر ته !<br>عالي جنابه! افغانستان سوريه او پاکستان ترکیه نده چې کردان په سوریه کې په نښه کړي.<br>دا افغانستان دى د مغرورو امپراتوريو هديره.<br>په مونږ دنظامي يرغل سوچ مه کړه کنه دهند سره دکړې نظامي معاهدې د شرم تکرار به وي داخاوره مالک لري هغه چې ستا بادار يې په ګونډو کړ. <a href="https://t.co/FFu8DyBgio">pic.twitter.com/FFu8DyBgio</a></p>— Ahmad Yasir (@AhmadYasir711) <a href="https://twitter.com/AhmadYasir711/status/1609755114327212037?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The Taliban on Monday mocked Pakistan and warned of a befitting response after the country's interior minister Rana Sanaullah hinted at a possible military operation against the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) hideouts in Afghanistan.
Taking to Twitter, Taliban leader and deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Yasir shared a photo of Islamabad surrendering to India after the 1971 war that led to the formation of Bangladesh. In the caption, he warned that Pakistan would face the same "shameful" fate if it launched a military attack on the TTP.
The picture shows Pakistan Army's commander in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) Lieutenant General Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi accepting the decisive defeat and singing the "Instrument of Surrender" in Dhaka in the presence of General Officer Commanding-in-chief (GOC-in-C) of Indian and Bangladesh Forces in Eastern Theatre Lieutenant General Jagjit Singh Aurora in 1971.
The image was clicked on December 16, 1971. The day is celebrated as Vijay Diwas in India. It marks the day India helped in the liberation of Bangladesh.
Meanwhile, Mr Yasir's warning comes days after Pakistan's Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah said that Islamabad has the legal authority to act against “insurgents' hideouts” in Afghanistan if its nation is threatened by such groups.
In response to this, the Taliban also stated that they would not allow anyone to attack Afghanistan. According to RFERL, its spokesperson Zabiullah Mujahid said that Afghanistan wants to have good relations with Pakistan but its official should use caution when they make comments. Separately, the Taliban's Defense Ministry in Kabul stated "such claims by Pakistani officials harm relations" and any issues can be "resolved through understanding".
https://www.ndtv.com/feature/taliban-official-mocks-pakistan-by-sharing-old-pic-of-1971-war-surrender-to-india-3660016
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Based on what I read here and online it seems there is a huge anti-American sentiment in Pakistan with IK saying imported govt etc in every other statement and taunting USA . Also it seems IK is technically still the most popular leader in Pakistan.
How does it work out if army takes money from US/ yet again to fight in or in this case with Afghanistan and most of the country is anti-American and see Afghanis as Islamic brothers?
Too many moving parts here anyway there is no stake in the fight for India except to follow what’s going on and take strategic advantage.
Also it’s ironic that Pakistanis were blaming Ashraf Ghani and his govt for being chamchas of India and even his fiercest rivals who got rid of them are still favoring India? Then Indian diplomacy must be doing something right. Anyway apart from that takeaway there is no reason for dragging India here.
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AS for India, when we were fighting with Afghans, we had the Siachen issue where India took advantage of us being busy on the other front.
Similar issues can arrise yet again
Similar issues can arrise yet again
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More than his bias I like his effort in butting in most topics where he is out of depth which would be 99% of them. Deserves appreciation for skipping playtime and posting .
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Something specific they've said?
They can only do hit and run at some border points at best.
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Had predicted this before- with Pakistan’s economic woes, political instability & US alienation, Pakistan is a ripe target for Taliban. Wont be surprised if those Talibanis have not forgotten Pakistan’s betrayal in the past - they also have never respected the Durand line. IK was wrong to trust them so much & celebrate their return.
This time no US, Europe to come to its rescue too.
This time no US, Europe to come to its rescue too.
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Pakistan wouldn't need US or Europe for rescue, they would have far superior firepower to Afghans. I'm not even sure Afghans have an airforce. They are nuisance fighters, very good at guerilla warfare and defending their lands, not sure they would provide much of a threat to Pakistan other than terror strikes, but then they'd get those back with interest.
More than likely this is just sabre rattling. If Pakistan can't afford an unnecessary war, I don't see how Afghans can. Unless of course they are getting richly compensated by someone.
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Where did you learn statistics from? I hope it's not one of those scam Indian diploma mills.
I can say the same about you. You and your fellow BJP porcupines get involved in threads that do not concern you.
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Please tell me how I am biased.
Are you saying India doesn't interfere? Is BJP IT cell a myth?
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Why would Taliban attack Pakistan due to BJP IT cell?
So what you are saying is Taliban and Pakistan have good relations but BJP IT cell will cause a war?
Hope you see how biased you are , irrespective its your choice.
And the then Pakistani PM openly claiming them as true sons of soil who have broken the shackles of slavery.
But we will see how India is blamed unanimously for their action by conveniently forgetting who is their creator, who endorsed them, who groomed them for geo political and geo economical benefits. India might have exploited the vulnerabilities but to put the entire blame squarely on India when the snakes were distinguished as good and bad and sheltered in their own courtyard is really going to be amusing but expected.
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You said India doesn't interfere. I said that's not true. They can interfere in many ways (spies, covert logistical helps, covert arm supplies, social media propaganda etc.).
If anything, you are being biased by trying to act like India is innocent.
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No I’m saying India won’t be the reason for the war between Taliban and Pakistan.
IK is their supporter not India, , go through last year’s threads again and read the news and leaders that supported Taliban takeover.
This is very much viable given they are allies, they can easily have behind the scenes agreement to demonstrate controlled/staged action to distract citizens from the anti Army narrative, unify them on the backdrop of current political polarization and the anticipated soft state of economy.
I think In dia will do that to BLA in Baluchistan but dont think they will make the same mistake as US (in the 80s) by providing logistical or intelligence support as Taliban can bite us back anytime like they are doing to Pakistan now.
For long Pakistan played the game of good taliban and bad taliban but like Hillary Clinton said if you raise snakes in your backyard they are bound to bite you back.
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Considering how much of a hardline Islam view they have, wont be surprised if they are bankrolled by the Wahhabis.
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But but, aren’t you a Bangladeshi, Sweepshot- your tagline says so too? Where is your skin in the game?
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My skin.
I don't want to see fellow Muslims to have a war. That's all.
Definitely don't want to see those poor Afghans go through another war. Same reason Pakistanis and other Muslims support Palestine (despite not being Palestinians).
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But you've been telling us that you two were the Ummah and nothing could come between you. Now it so happens that some dainty social media posts can lead to you squabbling like middle aged aunties? Go figure.
Edit: You're not even Pakistani, you're a Bangladeshi. Well - proves my point perfectly, 51 years before this post.
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This event has precisely been my point. Pakistan has been going out of the way to help people from these countries in the name of muslim brotherhood but these rats stab back at the first opportunity. Pakistan barely had any reserves but opened its doors to hundreds of thousands of Afghan refugees ... all for what?
It is frustrating to see Pakistan catering to these Afghans, Bangladeshis, Emiratis, and other snakes in the name of Ummah brotherhood only for them to turn against AND go with the likes of Israel/India at the first opportunity.[/B] All of the snakes will voice support initially when nothing is at stake for them but the moment something is, they will forget everything Pakistan has done, will ask "Ummah, what is that?" and turn against Pakistan.
There is no Ummah brotherhood. Pakistan is its own best friend. Nobody is looking out for Pakistan except Pakistanis themselves. All of the Afghan, Bangladeshi, Emirati snakes ... no need for your fake supports, kindly stay out. This is the harsh reality.
It is frustrating to see Pakistan catering to these Afghans, Bangladeshis, Emiratis, and other snakes in the name of Ummah brotherhood only for them to turn against AND go with the likes of Israel/India at the first opportunity.[/B] All of the snakes will voice support initially when nothing is at stake for them but the moment something is, they will forget everything Pakistan has done, will ask "Ummah, what is that?" and turn against Pakistan.
There is no Ummah brotherhood. Pakistan is its own best friend. Nobody is looking out for Pakistan except Pakistanis themselves. All of the Afghan, Bangladeshi, Emirati snakes ... no need for your fake supports, kindly stay out. This is the harsh reality.
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No, Pakistan should not fight Afghanistan. May be our government and army should focus on our country. Leave Afghanistan to Afghans, not Pakistans issue.
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Leave out the personal insults - stick to the topic.
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Taliban are good at defending and Guerilla wars within their territory due to geographic advantage.
But they are not good enough to attack on another country, technical they are not well equipped.
But they are not good enough to attack on another country, technical they are not well equipped.
Why can’t some religious leader from Saudi Arabia or even MBS act like a peace maker between Pak and Taliban?
2 Islamic countries at each other’s throat is not good for both countries. What is the use of these religious leaders if they cannot offer their peace making services at such critical juncture?
I feel that the only people that Taliban might listen to is the supreme Moulvi of Mecca mosque making a peace deal. Somebody of the stature of a Pope making peace between 2 warring catholic nations.
2 Islamic countries at each other’s throat is not good for both countries. What is the use of these religious leaders if they cannot offer their peace making services at such critical juncture?
I feel that the only people that Taliban might listen to is the supreme Moulvi of Mecca mosque making a peace deal. Somebody of the stature of a Pope making peace between 2 warring catholic nations.
Leave them alone
It's them and their qabali brothers who won't leave us alone.
They don't respect the border and keep attacking and killing pakistan soldiers and as shown in past don't even care when they kill civilians.
If our soldiers weren't there they would infiltrate all over pakistan and cause chaos basically they want a parallel government in pakistan where they are a law onto themselves like the wild wild west where every criminal , murderer drug dealer smuggler can operate from, how can pakistan accept that and not face the wrath of western sanctions and repercussions.
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What would happen in Pakistan's tribal areas?
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Not sure if that’s a rhetorical question or you are waiting for Pakistani posters to answer that but Saudi Arabia has nothing to gain by mediating between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Sure they might do it if China or USA pressures them into it but they are trying to move away and look out for their own interests. This tussle between Pak-Afg has 0 impact on them. In fact Iran which is also an Islamic country has more at stake because they have some issues with Baluch and Taliban if I remember correctly but then they seem to have their own set of issues with Pakistan.
I mean it is plausible if some religious clergy in Saudi, Turkey etc get involved but don’t think there will be anything done at an administrative level or from the people who matter at a decision making level.
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Sorry but what is your conclusion?
Arabs, Bangladeshis etc are snakes for what? Looking out for the interests of their own people?
Ok let’s assume based on that Pakistan is the innocent victim who have great feelings towards them due to Islam, are you telling me Pakistan powers that be are so pious and good Muslims that they kept helping “Muslim” countries from the love of Islam? Pakistan must be having the most pious leaders in the world then.
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You have the right to be annoyed over antics of different Muslim governments (Bangladeshi, Arabs, Afghan etc.).
However, you need to understand there are often differences between common people and government of a particular country. Government decision is often not supported by regular people.
I believe in a united Ummah because my scriptures encourage it (Quran and Hadith). It has nothing to do with appeasing Pakistan, Arabs, or any other nation.
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You mean like these Ummah/scripture following "brothers"?
Your heart may be in the right place, I may not be sure. I'm also not sure if you are in a different world or if you are one of those Bangladeshis wanting to be a Pakistani for some reason or if you are even pretending to be a Bangladeshi. I'm not sure, it is not my place to judge, and it is also irrelevant. What I can say is that your posts (at least quite a few) seem very disconnected with reality. Thanks but no thanks!
In countries or societies with less education/knowledge capital, people tend to be more influenced by government stance. In 70+ years Pakistan has been burned time and again by many of these Ummah crew. Now Pakistan is in dire straits barely keeping its lights on. So no offense but Pakistan does not need anymore of these Ummah promises. Pakistan needs help from Pakistanis s are since this is the only group of people who caring enough to help Pakistan.
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That's okay. I don't mind if that's how you feel.
I try to follow what's in my scriptures to the best of my ability. I am not here to appease any nationality (be it Pakistani, Indian, fellow Bangladeshi, or Arab).
Those people are not sinning. It doesn't mean the concept of Ummah doesn't exist.
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Man you don't seem to get it do you? We are discussing the larger context of national allies. In that geopolitical context, who cares if you as an individual think/do, or how good/bad a person you as an individual could be? Don't you get this? What matters more is the reality of larger data and trend for populations as a whole. Not some niche idealistic viewpoint but larger REALITY. I just proved your points about Ummah assumptions wrong through both the videos in my post #56 here. That first video also refers to data points from Bangladesh people (not just Afghanistan as the title implies) and how many prefer India.
You are claiming some idealistic stance and this is either genuine or internet posturing. Let's give you the benefit of doubt and say you are genuine. Even then, in the context of geopolitical discussions (this thread) individual opinions do not matter but larger trends of reality. In essence your posts are either coming off as clueless or posturing, and going along with either even from a Pakistani pov is bad (akin to either voting for an idiot like Tughlaq or a tyrant like Raja Dahir, an unenviable choice between rock and a hard place).
While your faith driven outlook deserves high respect if genuine, it is also wildly off as to how Pakistan should direct its meager resources for its betterment.
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I can't speak for Afghans. However, most Bangladeshis dislike India more than Pakistan in modern times. It is because of 2 reasons - 1) Indian transgression involving Bangladesh, and 2) BJP.
Heat between Bangladesh and Pakistan have died down quite considerably.
Regarding geopolitics, I think attacking Afghanistan may do more harm than good. These Afghans thrive when there is hostility. Just ask the Americans; they were sent home defeated and humiliated (thousands of dead soldiers and billions of Dollars of wastage).
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Doesn't matter. Your point about some idealistic Ummah driven foreign policy has been the bane of Pakistan with every other country riding Pakistan's coattails for free. People in general are not ideal Ummah driven but are more real world benefits driven. 70+ years of Pakistan's history has shown this. The two videos in my post also support this well.
If your heart does happen to be in the right place then please do think before jumping in to make knee-jerk excitement driven posts of support because that just comes off as clueless and "who is this outsider jumping up and down in excitement" kind of vibe when it is coming from a Bangladeshi (as much as we all love an outside support). My humble and helpful suggestion is to add thoughtful insights instead with supporting data points. I'm not here telling you what to do (as we know it is not my place) but offering a helpful 0.02 for you - take it or leave it.
Firstly Pak must leave this Ummah family that we're obsessed with. This stupid belief has only ever caused us massive damage. The policy should be to only care for those countries like China, Russia and Turkey that support us. That they are our "brothers" be they Indian Muslim's or Afghan's has always irked me. Everyone wants a powerful friend...no one wants a weak one.
Yes if the Pak Taliban hiding in Afghanistan continues killing our people at the behest of India then the military has to go inside Afghanistan to bomb them. The alternative would be to do nothing letting those terrorists have their way where we give the impression of being afraid. I keep on saying that we should treat the Afghan's like s4hit like the Iranians do! That is the only language they understand when they are crying on the streets in western countries being bullied by every community.
I have no issues with Bangladesh at all providing they are okay with us. I neither love nor hate them.
Yes if the Pak Taliban hiding in Afghanistan continues killing our people at the behest of India then the military has to go inside Afghanistan to bomb them. The alternative would be to do nothing letting those terrorists have their way where we give the impression of being afraid. I keep on saying that we should treat the Afghan's like s4hit like the Iranians do! That is the only language they understand when they are crying on the streets in western countries being bullied by every community.
I have no issues with Bangladesh at all providing they are okay with us. I neither love nor hate them.
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Daesh militants involved in attack on Pakistan Embassy in Kabul killed: Afghan spokesperson
Afghan Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid said on Thursday that a network of Daesh militants involved in the attack on Pakistan’s embassy in Kabul has been killed in an operation.
On December 2, the embassy in Kabul came under attack with Chargé d’Affaires (CdA) to Afghanistan Ubaidur Rehman Nizamani targeted. Nizamani was unscathed but his guard was critically wounded.
The banned Islamic State group’s Khorasan chapter (IS-K) had claimed responsibility for the attack, confirming that it was targeting the Pakistani envoy.
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1730052/d...n-embassy-in-kabul-killed-afghan-spokesperson
Afghan Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid said on Thursday that a network of Daesh militants involved in the attack on Pakistan’s embassy in Kabul has been killed in an operation.
On December 2, the embassy in Kabul came under attack with Chargé d’Affaires (CdA) to Afghanistan Ubaidur Rehman Nizamani targeted. Nizamani was unscathed but his guard was critically wounded.
The banned Islamic State group’s Khorasan chapter (IS-K) had claimed responsibility for the attack, confirming that it was targeting the Pakistani envoy.
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1730052/d...n-embassy-in-kabul-killed-afghan-spokesperson
Ummah exists in the heart of an average Muslim. Common people are united through faith. Thats why overwhelming majority of Muslims globally support Palestine.
If you visit any mosque in the West you will se Muslim immigrants from all over the world coming together in brotherhood. Same goes for Hajj and Umrah.
However this doesn't mean that Ummah exists at the governmental though, as its an era of nation states and each state pursues its own interest.
In the era of caliphates, Muslims had political unity as well which sadly doesn't exist today.
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Why would Wahabbis bankroll the Afghans to create war with Pakistan? Come on now, don't get desperate to point the blame somewhere which makes no sense whatsoever. It would be like me making up a fake username like dildilhind.
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The question one must ask themselves is, who gets excited and very happy at the prospect of war between two Muslim states (check the replies in this thread and the flags associated)? There is your probable answer as to who is sponsoring war between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Please note, that is not to say that Afghans don't have eyes on Pakistani territory, but they don't have any capacity or finance to instigate military action against Pakistan. Only one country has hardcore hostile intent towards Pakistan, this is reflected in cutting sports, arts, business and every other type of interaction with Pakistan. Let's be real here.
Please note, that is not to say that Afghans don't have eyes on Pakistani territory, but they don't have any capacity or finance to instigate military action against Pakistan. Only one country has hardcore hostile intent towards Pakistan, this is reflected in cutting sports, arts, business and every other type of interaction with Pakistan. Let's be real here.
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yes, a country that fought a 22 year long war with USA, doesnt have finance to fight a war with Mighty Pakistan.
than again, you were the same person who celebrated taliban coming back to power and thought it was a great thing, even though we are the ones that have to deal with their suicide attacks.
India is not the only hostile country towards us, even Afghans are hostile aswell
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It is very much possible because Saudi's have backrolled wahabism in Pakistan. Maybe with Bin Salman in power this has toned down, but we had wahabi madarssash in every little town in Rawalpindi that was funded by the Saudis.
So [MENTION=138530]dildilpak[/MENTION] has a point
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you do know that Pakistan couldnt eridicated Taliban from Swat? They failed twice and only were able to do so the third time during Zarb e azab.
Remember, USA had a more power army than Pakistan, they had a MOAB that couldn't eridicate Taliban.
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I am only going to answer to one of your three posts addressing me as some of your claims are patently false. I agree that Saudis bankrolled Wahabism in Pakistan, they have done the same in other Muslim countries in Africa and Asia as well. That is totally different to creating war between two Muslim countries where they have influence in both. Keep defending the saffron flag, but no one will take you seriously when your logic is this weak.
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what does my post have to do with Hinduism or India?
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You deliberately avoided the points I raised re the likely source of sponsorship of Taliban, I'm guessing that is for a reason. One has to be prepared to debate all possibilites if one wants to present a credible argument ( like I did), otherwise it starts to read like propaganda.
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dont expect a debate by adding oneliners in between like dildilhind or saffron flag
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You want a debate by ignoring my well reasoned consideration of all possiblities while claiming falsely that I celebrated the return of Taliban? Maybe learn to debate from a neutral POV even if you can't do it as a Pakistani national (supposedly) and then we can talk, otherwise don't quote me if you can't actually address the points being made.
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We have some cricket matches with them in the summer, a time for building bridges and friendship?
TTP has support from Afghan Taliban. Wake up. They both want KPK from Pakistan.
I feel this is one time religious clergy will come handy. If the grand Mufti of Mecca or Madina mosque mediates, there could be truce between both nations. Taliban might only listen to Islam.
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The Foreign Office (FO) on Thursday categorically rejected reports claiming that Pakistan had carried out airstrikes in Afghanistan, terming them to be “utterly baseless and malicious”.
The statement came hours after reports surfaced claiming Pakistan had carried out airstrikes in Afghanistan’s Nangarhar province.
Afghan newspaper Hasht-e-Subh Daily quoted sources as saying that Pakistan “bombed targets in Salala neighborhood in the vicinity of Gushta district” on Thursday morning.
The development comes amid an uptick in terrorist attacks across the country, believed to have been planned and directed by the outlawed Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leaders based in Afghanistan.
The TTP, which has ideological linkages with the Afghan Taliban, executed around more than 100 attacks last year, most of which happened after August when the group’s peace talks with the Pakistan government began to falter. The ceasefire was formally ended last year on Nov 28 by the TTP.
It also comes as the Nat*ional Security Committee (NSC) categorically asked Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers, without directly naming them, to deny safe haven to Pakistani terrorist groups on its soil and end their patronage, while reiterating its intent to crush terrorist groups operating inside the country with full force.
The uncharacteristically strong-worded statement issued at the end of the NSC meeting, which spanned two days, said: “Pakistan’s security is uncompromisable and the full writ of the state will be maintained on every inch of the (sic) Pakistan’s territory.”
The committee agreed on a number of steps to deal with the worsening security situation, which has also drawn the attention of a number of important capitals prompting them to issue advisories for their nationals residing here.
The most important of all these actions was to send an unequivocal message to neighbouring Afghanistan to end all its support to TTP. “No country will be allowed to provide sanctuaries and facilitation to terrorists and Pakistan reserves all rights in that respect to safeguard her people,” the NSC statement said.
The warning was sent out in the midst of an escalating war of words between the two countries over TTP and the border dispute.
DAWN
The statement came hours after reports surfaced claiming Pakistan had carried out airstrikes in Afghanistan’s Nangarhar province.
Afghan newspaper Hasht-e-Subh Daily quoted sources as saying that Pakistan “bombed targets in Salala neighborhood in the vicinity of Gushta district” on Thursday morning.
The development comes amid an uptick in terrorist attacks across the country, believed to have been planned and directed by the outlawed Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) leaders based in Afghanistan.
The TTP, which has ideological linkages with the Afghan Taliban, executed around more than 100 attacks last year, most of which happened after August when the group’s peace talks with the Pakistan government began to falter. The ceasefire was formally ended last year on Nov 28 by the TTP.
It also comes as the Nat*ional Security Committee (NSC) categorically asked Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers, without directly naming them, to deny safe haven to Pakistani terrorist groups on its soil and end their patronage, while reiterating its intent to crush terrorist groups operating inside the country with full force.
The uncharacteristically strong-worded statement issued at the end of the NSC meeting, which spanned two days, said: “Pakistan’s security is uncompromisable and the full writ of the state will be maintained on every inch of the (sic) Pakistan’s territory.”
The committee agreed on a number of steps to deal with the worsening security situation, which has also drawn the attention of a number of important capitals prompting them to issue advisories for their nationals residing here.
The most important of all these actions was to send an unequivocal message to neighbouring Afghanistan to end all its support to TTP. “No country will be allowed to provide sanctuaries and facilitation to terrorists and Pakistan reserves all rights in that respect to safeguard her people,” the NSC statement said.
The warning was sent out in the midst of an escalating war of words between the two countries over TTP and the border dispute.
DAWN
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Why wasn't the border fenced properly? Where did the money go?
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