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Is Ahmed Shehzad really an aggressive batsman?

SOSami said:
You can change techniques.
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So basically we are going to change the technique the batsman has batted with all his teen years and some after that , How long after changing his technique a batsman will start performing?
 
People are forgetting the fact that he has been in and around the team since early 2009 and has what just 25 games less than Farhat?

Absolute joke of a batsman and persisting with him is pointless.
 
He is a poor driver of the ball.

His feet get stuck like glue. In nearly 3 years he should have at least got better on this weakness.
 
He should be given SL series and Jamshed should be replaced by Sharjeel Khan. If Shehzad fails in SL as well, time to try to someone else. Shehzad has been given enough chances and freedom to cement his place in the team. Like most of the others, he has failed to cement his place in the team.
 
Mamoon_ said:
5th ODI vs West Indies

64 runs, 100 balls - strike rate of 64

3rd ODI vs Zimbabwe

54 runs, 85 balls - strike rate of 63.5

1st ODI vs South Africa

58 runs, 92 balls - strike rate of 63

2nd ODI vs South Africa

58 runs, 85 balls - strike rate of 68.2

4th ODI vs South Africa

43 runs, 59 balls - strike rate of 72.8

Today,

35 runs, 70 balls - strike rate of 50

I think if he puts the team ahead of his mission of taking his diabolical average of mid 20s to early 30s, paying no regard to how low his strike rate falls, he might actually prove useful for a change.

I understand he has been one of our top scorers, but why isn't the same logic used for Misbah?

Let alone one of the top scorers, Misbah has been the highest scorer in the world.

When Misbah score runs with a strike rate of mid 60s, he is selfish and playing for his average only.

When Shehzad does so, he is mature and sensible according to a decent portion on this forum.

Do I have the right to ask why?
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Another selfish and cancerous innings coming up :butt
 
Quite possibly the most selfish and characterless batsman we have produced in years.

he has no desire to assert himself, is boring and timid with no personality and style.

Which is funny because he carries himself with swagger and the wannabe Kohli attitude, has that arrogance about him but when he gets a bat in his hand, he's like a rabbit caught in headlights.

Before you blame Misbah for his negativity, a quick glance at his strike rate prior to playing under Misbah suggests that he's a very poor batsman.
 
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In my opinion, Shehzad should not play test cricket. He should be in the ODI format though.
 
London_Lahori said:
Why was the same criticism not levelled at SL batsman? Agenda's everywhere.
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We don't care about Sri Lankan batsmen and they don't get an ounce of the delusional hype our so called talented youngsters get.

Most importantly, they are 1-0 up winning an away series against a team ranked above them in spite of being severely under-cooked because of not playing any Test cricket for almost a year.

Their negativity and defensive approach is justified, not ours.
 
Shehzad is not aggressive he can only play good strokes on roads when he can hit through the line his strike rotation is poor he's not this great talent I mean on UAE roads he should have a S/R in the 90s in ODIS yet he still bats 90s style
 
He has all the shots and can be aggressive at times but for some reason just prefers blocking the ball.

Anyway for me he is a long term prospect.
 
He has all the shots and can be aggressive at times but for some reason just prefers blocking the ball.

Anyway for me he is a long term prospect.
 
I get that he is playing a test match but considering the situation on the Test match, he should have been striking at around 60. Even then, he played well today.

He is not an aggressive batsman. People probably think that because of his attitude and a few fast paced innings against New Zealand. He is an opener, so if he has a strike rate of 70-80, then it's fine.
 
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Ahmed Shehzad
Pakistan's Ahmed Shehzad scored 809 runs off 1125 balls, a strike rate of 71.91, the least among batsmen with 750-plus ODI runs in 2013. Next in line was another Pakistan batsman, Misbah-ul-Haq, who had a strike rate of 72.71. The only other batsman with a scoring rate of less than 75 was West Indies' Darren Bravo, who scored at 74.62 per 100 balls.
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His strike rotation is terrible which means that even when he gets a hundred, his strike rate remains low and when he does not, he adds nothing to the team because for the first 100 deliveries, he is woeful.


However, of course Misbah is to be blamed because before his captaincy, Shehzad was rotating the strike beautifully.
 
So Pakistan finally got a good opener after ages and some imposters rubbishing him, not surprisingly the same person keep rubbishing whichever cricketer which performs for Pak.
 
Mamoon said:
His strike rotation is terrible which means that even when he gets a hundred, his strike rate remains low and when he does not, he adds nothing to the team because for the first 100 deliveries, he is woeful.


However, of course Misbah is to be blamed because before his captaincy, Shehzad was rotating the strike beautifully.
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That's his main problem he does not take enough singles does not even look interested in taking singles. Thing is even 10-15 singles would bring his strike rate up to around 90. He sometimes throws it away by going for boundaries if he feels he is playing to many dot balls. This problem is with most of our batman his is in the extreme.
I hope he gets to bat with Fawad Alam a lot more as that guy is great at taking singles and when Shehzad was batting with him he started taking more singles and looked a lot better.
 
The stage is set for our promising agresso-defensive flamboyant opener to prove his worth
 
Ahmed Shehzad has an aggressive personality so people must think that its the same with his batting but that's not the case. He is terrible at strike rotation and until he makes 80-plus scores he wont accelerate and he wastes way too many balls in the beginning of his innings. If he can learn how to rotate the strike well then he can become a good batsmen because he can play attacking shots well but the reason he has such low strike rates is because of his high number of dots which apply more pressure on the team when chasing.
 
He reminds me a little of Marlon Samuels - they can both be destructive batsmen however their lack of strike rotation and their inability to take quick singles means that they have poor strike rates.
 
When he first started he would go crazy and try to hit out every ball.. hence had a mediocre average and was always in and out of team.

Now he tuks everything so that he can stay longer.. Should have found a middle ground imo
 
Quite a weird case.

Attitude of Kohli, swagger of Afridi, but soul of Misbah.

Everything is perfect up until the point he gets a bat in his hand, and turns into the most selfish batsman possible.

Strike Rate of 72 in 2015 is ridiculous and scores just about enough to keep his place in the team. The amount of dot balls he produces per innings is pathetic.

Incredibly overrated on this forum - overall a mediocre player.

Going to haunt us for years to come, because he's scoring enough runs not to get dropped, but hardly helps the team. People want Misbah to leave early, but his heir has already arrived.

Only plays for himself and his average.
 
And the frustrating bit is that he can play shots - he's not one dimensional - but he refuses to play those shots until he gets a 50 in 80 balls and from where he will either get a hundred or throw it away.

In the other innings, he's going to get out for less than 10.

This is the story of his ODI career, quite a torture.
 
Mamoon said:
Quite a weird case.

Attitude of Kohli, swagger of Afridi, but soul of Misbah.

Everything is perfect up until the point he gets a bat in his hand, and turns into the most selfish batsman possible.

Strike Rate of 72 in 2015 is ridiculous and scores just about enough to keep his place in the team. The amount of dot balls he produces per innings is pathetic.

Incredibly overrated on this forum - overall a mediocre player.

Going to haunt us for years to come, because he's scoring enough runs not to get dropped, but hardly helps the team. People want Misbah to leave early, but his heir has already arrived.

Only plays for himself and his average.
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2015 just started :))
 
Mamoon said:
Genius spotted.

I'm talking about the era, not the year.

In this 'day and age', this is a pathetic SR for an opener given what other teams are doing.
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I feel sorry for you. Shehzad seems to have had a major impact on your life in the last 1 and a half years.

I urge you to get used to it quickly because he is a certainty in the team now till he retires which will be 37-38.

You've got about another 15-20 years of him.

Oh and one more question, if he is so rubbish as you make out - why do IPL teams want him? And why does an English county want him to sign up?

Answer those last two questions. Don't dodge them or run away like usual :)
 
Bullet Drive said:
I feel sorry for you. Shehzad seems to have had a major impact on your life in the last 1 and a half years.

I urge you to get used to it quickly because he is a certainty in the team now till he retires which will be 37-38.

You've got about another 15-20 years of him.

Oh and one more question, if he is so rubbish as you make out - why do IPL teams want him? And why does an English county want him to sign up?

Answer those last two questions. Don't dodge them or run away like usual :)
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Can't see him getting into the top IPL teams because he's not good enough for them. Can certainly do a job for mid-table/lower-half IPL teams, he's good enough for teams who can't even beat Lahore Lions.

I think a County contract has a lot to do with his good showing against Australia and NZ in UAE Tests, and certainly seems to have developed the right temperament for Test cricket, but he remains untested in English conditions.

Secondly, we are discussing his SR in ODIs, which is pathetic to say the least. He's extremely slow for an opener in this era and his dot balls upfront suck all the momentum and impetus.

Fine lets blame Misbah for it, but this has been a problem since his debut in March 09. His SR has been under the captaincy of both Younis and Afridi.

We can give him leeway that he was young and was under pressure to establish himself. Okay fair enough, but what's the excuse now? He has been given a free run since the WI tour in May-June 13 and has been the first choice opener for like 1.5 years. Why is he still playing for his average?

Secondly, I don't run away. If I didn't run away after the Australian Test series and withstood all the insults hurled at me, be assured that I'll never disappear just two avoid criticism, unlike certain people who went AWOL when Ajmal failed the Test, and didn't turn up for 3 weeks because they vehemently defended his action.

One more thing, are you really using IPL's interest to justify the performance of a player? Same IPL who you have slated many times on this forum over how rubbish it is?
 
Mamoon said:
Genius spotted.


I'm talking about the era, not the year.

In this 'day and age', this is a pathetic SR for an opener given what other teams are doing.
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Look at his strike rate since comeback sirjee, it is around 79-80 and an average of around 43.
I would disagree about us playing on the flattest of tracks. The uae pitches barring sharjah are sluggish with large,*slow outfields. So stop comparing him to the indian, south african and nz bullies who all play on truer surfaces n higher altitudes.
Shhezz like the ball coming on to the bat n is nt wristy which is why he struggles to get a move on here. To succeed in abu dhabi or dubai, u hv to b a good player of spin , with strong wrists and a good accumulator. shehzz is more top hand classical type batsman who relies on boundaries rather than accumulation But he will score really quickly in places like nz, aus and even in india where boundaries come alot easier
 
axl100mph said:
Look at his strike rate since comeback sirjee, it is around 79-80 and an average of around 43.
I would disagree about us playing on the flattest of tracks. The uae pitches barring sharjah are sluggish with large,*slow outfields. So stop comparing him to the indian, south african and nz bullies who all play on truer surfaces n higher altitudes.
Shhezz like the ball coming on to the bat n is nt wristy which is why he struggles to get a move on here. To succeed in abu dhabi or dubai, u hv to b a good player of spin , with strong wrists and a good accumulator. shehzz is more top hand classical type batsman who relies on boundaries rather than accumulation But he will score really quickly in places like nz, aus and even in india where boundaries come alot easier
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Its important to pace your innings well, your ending SR is not the most important part.

You can tuk tuk your way to a 50 in 80 balls, then smash the next in 30 balls and end up with a 100 a SR of 80+. Looks good on paper, but in truth, its mediocre.

Shehzad is extremely slow for the first 50 odd runs and most of the times he gets it at SR of 65-70, which means he fails to provide an aggressive start, consumes too many dot balls and builds pressure on his partners.

If everyone starts batting like him, what'll happen? Is one Misbah not enough?

In ODIs, its essential to start well. If you start well, you'll finish well and your lower-order will contribute more regularly.

Pakistan scored 360 vs NZ not because Afridi went ballistic at the death but because in that game, Shehzad and Hafeez provided Pakistan with a dynamic start.

If your main opener is going to bat at a SR of 65-70 for the first 25 overs and play for his average, then there is little hope of us competing with other teams.

UAE pitches haven't been sluggish in the last 2/3 series, the NZ and SL series were both high scoring, but Shehzad's SR problem persisted.

They pitches look sluggish because of batsmen like Shehzad.

Denying that he has a major problem in this department won't help.
 
Mamoon said:
Can't see him getting into the top IPL teams because he's not good enough for them. Can certainly do a job for mid-table/lower-half IPL teams, he's good enough for teams who can't even beat Lahore Lions.

I think a County contract has a lot to do with his good showing against Australia and NZ in UAE Tests, and certainly seems to have developed the right temperament for Test cricket, but he remains untested in English conditions.

Secondly, we are discussing his SR in ODIs, which is pathetic to say the least. He's extremely slow for an opener in this era and his dot balls upfront suck all the momentum and impetus.

Fine lets blame Misbah for it, but this has been a problem since his debut in March 09. His SR has been under the captaincy of both Younis and Afridi.

We can give him leeway that he was young and was under pressure to establish himself. Okay fair enough, but what's the excuse now? He has been given a free run since the WI tour in May-June 13 and has been the first choice opener for like 1.5 years. Why is he still playing for his average?

Secondly, I don't run away. If I didn't run away after the Australian Test series and withstood all the insults hurled at me, be assured that I'll never disappear just two avoid criticism, unlike certain people who went AWOL when Ajmal failed the Test, and didn't turn up for 3 weeks because they vehemently defended his action.

One more thing, are you really using IPL's interest to justify the performance of a player? Same IPL who you have slated many times on this forum over how rubbish it is?
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Show me where I have slated the IPL?

I've always wanted us to be part of IPL. I've posted a few trolly comments re IPL but I like it tbh.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Show me where I have slated the IPL?

I've always wanted us to be part of IPL. I've posted a few trolly comments re IPL but I like it tbh.
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Forgive me for not being able to differentiate between your troll/serious comments, because its not easy.
 
I dont deny that, he has serious shortcomings but the point is that he is the most impactful and gifted of the tukk tukks we hv.

But the issue is thst u try to advocate gor guys like azhar ali n ashhfiq technique who r inferior to him both in terms of rotation and the fact that they dont hv big shots.
Its better to hv a tukk tukk who vn explode later than ine who can't. I still remember how azhar's innings against lanka nosedived and he looked hopeless.

Whenever ive seen shehzad, he starts struggling when at the other end, there is also a tuk tukker

If we can get the right guys to bat around him then he can turn out to b the backbone of our unit. If umar can open with him and we hv babar at 3 it can turn out alot better. Having sarfaraz at 4 or 5 will solve the whole issue as he is the best at manipulating the field n dominating the spinners. I don't knw why u dont like him even though he is has the strongest temperament and does'nt get fazed.
Haris can come at 5 as the second anchor, if needed( shezz being the first), while maqsood can be no.6

U have to have batsmen who can also switch gears and not those who turn into a liability if the situation demands them to attack

Think about it
 
Mamoon said:
Forgive me for not being able to differentiate between your troll/serious comments, because its not easy.
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The only negatives I have posted about it is that they don't allow PAK players, thats it.

Always have supported it otherwise.
 
axl100mph said:
I dont deny that, he has serious shortcomings but the point is that he is the most impactful and gifted of the tukk tukks we hv.

But the issue is thst u try to advocate gor guys like azhar ali n ashhfiq technique who r inferior to him both in terms of rotation and the fact that they dont hv big shots.
Its better to hv a tukk tukk who vn explode later than ine who can't. I still remember how azhar's innings against lanka nosedived and he looked hopeless.

Whenever ive seen shehzad, he starts struggling when at the other end, there is also a tuk tukker

If we can get the right guys to bat around him then he can turn out to b the backbone of our unit. If umar can open with him and we hv babar at 3 it can turn out alot better. Having sarfaraz at 4 or 5 will solve the whole issue as he is the best at manipulating the field n dominating the spinners. I don't knw why u dont like him even though he is has the strongest temperament and does'nt get fazed.
Haris can come at 5 as the second anchor, if needed( shezz being the first), while maqsood can be no.6

U have to have batsmen who can also switch gears and not those who turn into a liability if the situation demands them to attack

Think about it
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Pakistan can make do with Shehzad's tuk tuk when Misbah and Younis leave, but it will always remain a problem.

If Shehzad is going to be the anchor of that team with a SR of ~75 then we will still be handicapped because other teams have anchors like Amla bhai, Williamson, Smith, Kohli, Sangakkara, Root etc. who strike at around 90 and above.

The only solution for Shehzad is to transform his game. Otherwise, we will not win many games and it'll be the same old story.
 
I think his game is good against pace and bounce.
For me, his real problems in ODI'S are:
1. Giving his wicket when the ball swings early.
2. Unability to score against spin bowling, especially score singles.

Positive thing both will be relatively easier in this world cup!

I will like to Babar Azam and him do well together at the top level for Pakistan!
 
axl100mph said:
Look at his strike rate since comeback sirjee, it is around 79-80 and an average of around 43.
I would disagree about us playing on the flattest of tracks. The uae pitches barring sharjah are sluggish with large,*slow outfields. So stop comparing him to the indian, south african and nz bullies who all play on truer surfaces n higher altitudes.
Shhezz like the ball coming on to the bat n is nt wristy which is why he struggles to get a move on here. To succeed in abu dhabi or dubai, u hv to b a good player of spin , with strong wrists and a good accumulator. shehzz is more top hand classical type batsman who relies on boundaries rather than accumulation But he will score really quickly in places like nz, aus and even in india where boundaries come alot easier
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Since his comeback he's averaging 39 at a SR of 74. If he knew how to rotate the strike, both those stats would be higher. It's still better than his initial stint in the team where he averaged 27 at a SR of 68. So he may have the ability to improve. He is not, per say, a tuk tuk. Most of his innings have a very obvious pattern. His first 50 is quite slow, SR around 65. After that, he looks to get going. He has been caught trying to up the ante 7/8 times while he has made 50-65 runs, and the 8th time he got bowled attempting a big shot. But after crossing the 65 mark barrier, he has made a hundred 6/7 times. He got run out once for 81, but besides that after crossing 65, he has gone on to make a hundred. And usually by this point, his scoring rate is quite good. So what he needs to improve is that first part of his innings. Drop the ball, and run. Or run it down to third man. Less of the flashing outside off-stump early on. And of course, improve against spin but the other things are more important.
 
I think this mentality of either boundary or dot stems from the tape ball cricket we all play while growing up.

There is no concept of rotating strike, the only time a single is taken is when a miscued shot goes in the gap. I guess Shehzad is the first of many in this new breed of Pakistani batsmen who only know how to clear the leg and swing the bat.

That is precisely why someone like Babar Azam is a heera and should be treated with utmost care..
 
If shehzad is such a pain in the backside, why do u vouch for assfique n azhar ali, they r not any better. They very much hv reached their ceiling whereas shehzz seems to b upwardly mobile.

He might nt end up how u want him to but he has hunger n tries to learn. He has something extra about him that demands of us to show faith n wait.
Even in the last series even though he did hv a poor innings but he was trying hard to rotate

Not long ago u called him chota imran farhat. Now look what he has achieved in test cricket in whatever opportunities he has been presented.

And u need to stay realistic. This is pak batting. Why would we be matching williamson n co when we hv such a degenerated society with all its ills such as nepotism, favouratism coupled with macroeconomic problems such as unemployment, low life standards. Our inferior cricketing standards r a product of all those ills. The fact that we compete should be enuf for us to b grateful.

As far as competing with int. Stars then let me tell dale steyn has 3 individual trainers who look after him. One focuses on the maintenance and upgrading of his fast twitch fibers, the second one is a deep tissue massage therapist assigned only to him yo get all the lactic acid removed frm his tissues while the 3rd takes care of his cardio and longevity training.

Now u expect a bunch of nobody's who get told to bowl all day and just drink warm milk b4 sleepin to recover frm exertion ...to actually compete with such institutionalized car

In such a world if we could afford to hv an anchor with sub 80 strike rate, then it would be more than a revelation.

By the way joe root is nothing special
 
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If shehzad is such a pain in the backside, why do u vouch for assfique n azhar ali, they r not any better. They very much hv reached their ceiling whereas shehzz seems to b upwardly mobile.

He might nt end up how u want him to but he has hunger n tries to learn. He has something extra about him that demands of us to show faith n wait.
Even in the last series even though he did hv a poor innings but he was trying hard to rotate

Not long ago u called him chota imran farhat. Now look what he has achieved in test cricket in whatever opportunities he has been presented.

And u need to stay realistic. This is pak batting. Why would we be matching williamson n co when we hv such a degenerated society with all its ills such as nepotism, favouratism coupled with macroeconomic problems such as unemployment, low life standards. Our inferior cricketing standards r a product of all those ills. The fact that we compete should be enuf for us to b grateful.

As far as competing with int. Stars then let me tell dale steyn has 3 individual trainers who look after him. One focuses on the maintenance and upgrading of his fast twitch fibers, the second one is a deep tissue massage therapist assigned only to him yo get all the lactic acid removed frm his tissues while the 3rd takes care of his cardio and longevity training.

Now u expect a bunch of nobody's who get told to bowl all day and just drink warm milk b4 sleepin to recover frm exertion ...to actually compete with such institutionalized car

In such a world if we could afford to hv an anchor with sub 80 strike rate, then it would be more than a revelation.

By the way joe root is nothing special
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Institutionalized care*
 
Joe Root is one of the best young batsman in the world, he is top class and will go down as a potential great.

Shehzad isn't a pain, but so far he's overrated in ODIs because he doesn't bring much to the team thanks to his strike rate.

Shafiq didn't work out in ODIs, but its too early to write Azhar off in ODIs, he has 14 ODIs only and has been in brilliant form in LA of late.

I think he's worth a shot. Has the ability to handle quality pace and as he showed in SL, he can find a flurry of boundaries in PP overs, but he's weak against spin, so can only do a job as an opener.

Btw, no need of name-calling. What's the point of calling him ***fique?

How old are you?
 
Mamoon said:
Joe Root is one of the best young batsman in the world, he is top class and will go down as a potential great.

Shehzad isn't a pain, but so far he's overrated in ODIs because he doesn't bring much to the team thanks to his strike rate.

Shafiq didn't work out in ODIs, but its too early to write Azhar off in ODIs, he has 14 ODIs only and has been in brilliant form in LA of late.

I think he's worth a shot. Has the ability to handle quality pace and as he showed in SL, he can find a flurry of boundaries in PP overs, but he's weak against spin, so can only do a job as an opener.

Btw, no need of name-calling. What's the point of calling him ***fique?

How old are you?
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22, why?
 
Mamoon said:
Joe Root is one of the best young batsman in the world, he is top class and will go down as a potential great.

Shehzad isn't a pain, but so far he's overrated in ODIs because he doesn't bring much to the team thanks to his strike rate.

Shafiq didn't work out in ODIs, but its too early to write Azhar off in ODIs, he has 14 ODIs only and has been in brilliant form in LA of late.

I think he's worth a shot. Has the ability to handle quality pace and as he showed in SL, he can find a flurry of boundaries in PP overs, but he's weak against spin, so can only do a job as an opener.

Btw, no need of name-calling. What's the point of calling him ***fique?

How old are you?
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It was a short form dude, nothing more. dont get offended if u think ur pal got insulted:p
 
Why will I get offended? I don't even if you insult me on my face.

You can use some other short form rather than calling a player a$$.
 
Mamoon said:
Why will I get offended? I don't even if you insult me on my face.

You can use some other short form rather than calling a player a$$.
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No sir, u misunderstood that. It is based on how aamir sohail pronounces his name as he misses the 'd' in 'asad'. He pronounces it like assashafiq.Its more of a joke that is shared by my friends so i got used to it
 
Wesey larkey, what makes u think that azhar is better than ahmed. U say that he is great against pace when i hv nver seen him hook or pull. He can drive trundlers and has a good backfoot cover drive. Thats about it. He can only flick the ball or rather fend it off when he gets smthing short and aimed athe body
If he was such a good odi prospect and a prodigy against pace then why did he along with misbah block for an eternity against RSA in that centurion test. I think they played 40- 50 overs for the addition of 60 runs. Had he been a descent strokemaker, he could hv got himself out of that rut.
And dont tell me that that he was faced with a mamba

Ok now The first half of that 96 that u love was 'pretty', i admit but it was against the mighty thisaras, kulas ohh my! Chalo let's give him credit for it.
But have u actually seen him trying to accelerate in tests? He is like a fish out of water. Now please dont harp about that sharjah 100 coz i respect ur intellect

Do u remember how that goweresque 96 ended? He was choked to death by kula and ended up hving his stump broken in half.

The 80 odd he scored in the second last tie was even uglier, with him having played all those overs and getting us anywhere. I agree there was that parera hattrick but i sincerly believethat ahmed wud hv done better

With ahmed atleast u hv the hope that he can up the ante n make up for it somewhat. Atleast he can b called a poor man's rohit in odi's

Azhar on the other hand is the batting version of aizaz cheema, tries hard but not good enough.
 
Azhar is the best batsman against the new ball in the country, and I think he can be a real rock at the top of the order for us in ODIs in a post-Misbah and Younis world..

The idea of Azhar opening in ODIs sounded convincing to me in 2012, and I thought he did very well in SL (even carried his bat in one innings) but then he looked way out of depth against India @ number 3.

However, after watching Bell for England in ODIs of late, my interest in Azhar has rekindled and I wonder if can find a similar role for him in the team, because I believe he brings similar qualities and characteristics to the table.
 
Mamoon said:
Azhar is the best batsman against the new ball in the country, and I think he can be a real rock at the top of the order for us in ODIs in a post-Misbah and Younis world..

The idea of Azhar opening in ODIs sounded convincing to me in 2012, and I thought he did very well in SL (even carried his bat in one innings) but then he looked way out of depth against India @ number 3.

However, after watching Bell for England in ODIs of late, my interest in Azhar has rekindled and I wonder if can find a similar role for him in the team, because I believe he brings similar qualities and characteristics to the table.
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Where would u fit in bar azam then, give me ur batting order coz i need a formation to knw where u fit him in
 
At number 3, he'll be Pakistan's best all-round batsman in the future and number 3 will be best for him, but if Azhar fails in ODIs then he can open with someone else at 3, preferably Haris.
 
Mamoon said:
At number 3, he'll be Pakistan's best all-round batsman in the future and number 3 will be best for him, but if Azhar fails in ODIs then he can open with someone else at 3, preferably Haris.
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I can see what u mean but i think it is more of a conservative approach coz i would like impetus throughout the order with umar opening with shehzad, babar at 3, sarfaraz at 4 coz he can b a beast in the middle overs.
Maqsood at 5
And haris at 6 as an insurance policy

Azhar can only work well if u oust shehzad which I wouldnt consider.
But hey, it's fine, we can always agree to disagree :)
 
Azhar Ali at 3 is a no go.

He would be a superb ODI opener though and would win us the World Cup, no doubt.
 
Mamoon said:
At number 3, he'll be Pakistan's best all-round batsman in the future and number 3 will be best for him, but if Azhar fails in ODIs then he can open with someone else at 3, preferably Haris.
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Bullet Drive said:
Azhar Ali at 3 is a no go.

He would be a superb ODI opener though and would win us the World Cup, no doubt.[/QUOTE

According to me azhar ali anywhere around the pak team is a no go. I mean look at murali vijay who has 5 times the ability of azhar but doesnt get selected even though a slot is vacant and his stability can work well. India is not good as they r made out to be and vijay actually warrants a place ahead of FTB dhawan

However, unlike vijay, azhar just nosedives as he progresses through the innings. Is just a natural with accelerating. If u see him when he tries to attack, he's all over the shot and has no balance to strike any decisive blow. He can be good for a greentop (extremely rare occurences) but a disaster if u hv to chase anything over 270, which is pretty much the norm for our great great bowling attack.
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he can play aggressive and he can block but he has no in-between game he cant pick the singles only player in pak I see capable of that is harris and Fawad
 
Bullet Drive said:
Azhar Ali at 3 is a no go.

He would be a superb ODI opener though and would win us the World Cup, no doubt.
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Hahahhaha :))) :))) :)))

With your kind of judgement, no one will ever believe in the overhyped hacks you sell on PP. Day and Night.

You know it hurts when the next Saeed Anwar turns out to be Umar Amin. Our dreams shatter. And you move on to the next item in the bag.
 
Struggling to put bat on the ball.

4(21) when only one wicket had fallen.

Looking absolutely clueless out there, afraid to even do proper running between the wickets :/

The impression of "aggression" he has is only limited to his tweets, not cricketing performance.
 
You can't put ball on to bat when you dont even try to. This is pathetic attitude.
 
A sudden change of attitude and back to back boundaries..

Compensated a bit for the poor start, but would have been disaster had he gotten out earlier due to poor running.

Now needs to bat through and make a big score, make up for the snail-like start.
 
I think Shehzad is hugely overrated if I'm honest.

A good bat yes, but he starts off far too slow for anyone to defend him. 15 off 34 with 10 of those coming off one over is just woeful in this day and age. Needs to learn strike rotation otherwise he'll never improve.
 
So poor of him not to run, in thinking his shot was destined to reach the boundary. No aggression but foolish arrogance.
 
The problem with shezad is the Same as lot of Pakistani players

They seem to be brain dead
 
Usually the pattern is one shocking innings followed by one less shocking innings. The next match should go better
 
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