Is Babar Azam the most over-hyped cricketer in Pakistan's history?

[Captain caveman]

Us Pak fans don't like to hear the truth. Yes he is overrated coz he never completes the job. Looks good then gets out to an incredibly stupid shot. World class players stay at the wicket and finish the job. Being great to watch does not make him world class. Even Wahab Riaz can be a great batsman to watch on his day!

Agree!
I created a thread saying both babar and umar akmal are bottlers, so why is babar overhyped and umar was maligned?
The babar fans just ignored the premise of the thread about babar being a bottler and kept comparing babar's stats with umars, even though one batted at 3 and the other at 6!
Babar is a talented batsman but a choker. Reminds me of M. Yousuf.

 

[zulfiqar]

Most over-hyped Pakistani cricket? Not sure because we've had quite a few, but certainly Babar is someone who's worthy of that tag. He's our best batsman by a long shot considering all formats - it's only a matter of time until he starts scoring 100s in tests.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

By whom is he overhyped? I quite often call him our one true world class batsman, but I recognise he has faults and still has some way to go. But it's not like I'm comparing him to Kohli, but on the other hand I won't start calling him every name under the sun because he doesn't hit 5 sixes in an innings.

 

[Khan12]

*Babar fans
Dont know why this was deleted from my above post.

One averages 30 odd the other 50 odd. Doesn't take a genius to work it out.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Babar is not even better than Kane Williamson let alone Virat Kohli.

 

[MP2011]

Babar is excellent, leave him alone, he isn't your problem, at least not yet.

 

[Captain caveman]

Babar is not overhyped!
The talent is there, whats missing is the winner mindset. He needs to handle the pressure of big matches better.
Can he do this?
I don't know, what i do know is that his more talented cousin couldn't!
Mind you umar did not get the kind of support and backing babar has got .

 

[Sultanofswing]

He is a very consistent and good player. he deserves his hype. Someone who is averaging 50 after 3 years of international cricket and aged 24 deserves all the hype he gets..

Averaging 50 in today's patta wickets is easy. Any decent batsman can do it, if you take match situation out of equation. Bobby play at same pace in all match regardless the match situation. In other teams he would have been kicked out. India discarded Rayudu who averaged 45+ because he wasn't able to impact match. Pakistan still needs him. Im a team like pakistan he is a luxury who does bulk of runs because there's no one else who can score as much. But overall an impact less player much like Amla.

 

[Captain caveman]

Averaging 50 in today's patta wickets is easy. Any decent batsman can do it, if you take match situation out of equation. Bobby play at same pace in all match regardless the match situation. In other teams he would have been kicked out. India discarded Rayudu who averaged 45+ because he wasn't able to impact match. Pakistan still needs him. Im a team like pakistan he is a luxury who does bulk of runs because there's no one else who can score as much. But overall an impact less player much like Amla.

Are you an indian fan , bro?
The reason i am asking is that i've created a thread about babar and umar akmal and the double standards shown to these two.
But hardly any of the pak fans can understand the thread and keep going on about batting averages, when the thread is about mentaliy and handling presure.
The only guys, who seem to understand the thread are the indian fans!
I guess thats because india have a batting culture whereas pak has a bowling culture and dont fully understand what is required of a modern day batsman.

 

[aukhan]

So according to Sarfarz's die hard fans Babar is overrated.

Babar is the greatest thing we have produced since Wasim Akram. Show me a better Pakistani batsmen today then Babar im waiting.

 

[aukhan]

Babar is not even better than Kane Williamson let alone Virat Kohli.

He is definitely not but he is the best we have. There is always room for improvement and he will improve more with time but Babar is hardly our problem or overrated by any means.

 

[jaf348]

The best batsman Pakistan have produced in the past 20 years but he might end up becoming the Pakistani Amla if he doesn't perform in high pressure situations. Even in the 2017 CT, he was playing mostly second fiddle.

 

[saeedhk]

He’s a good batsman. For Pakistan standards, he’s excellent. He lacks hunger and the killer instinct. He’s a little soft when it comes to big matches, e.g. Amla. He has time, needs to follow Kohli.

 

[Mobashir]

No one will play Cummins half as well as he did in the the first 10 overs. He is a special talent, probably the best player of pace going around, and arguably the best player of the short ball in the world currently.

He should have won that match for Pakistan, at least contributed more, but things like this happen. Not many did brilliantly in their first world cup. Also, don't forget, how bad is the rest of the team, that surely puts pressure.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Look at his technique. He could be an atg if he becomes mentally tough. He's not over hyped. Fans recognise his weaknesses. But there's no denying that he's one of the most elegant players currently.

 

[Hyperion66]

No one will play Cummins half as well as he did in the the first 10 overs. He is a special talent, probably the best player of pace going around, and arguably the best player of the short ball in the world currently.

This is precisely why Pak doesn't have a batting culture, you are so content with cheap thrills that you don't see the bigger picture. Even Ireland or Zimbabwe wouldn't celebrate petty 30s and 40s like many of you folks do.

And no he is not among the best in the world and there are at least a dozen players who play pace and short ball better than him.

 

[MP2011]

No one will play Cummins half as well as he did in the the first 10 overs. He is a special talent, probably the best player of pace going around, and arguably the best player of the short ball in the world currently.

lol, if ever there was a hyperbole!

 

[Hyperion66]

Look at his technique. He could be an atg if he becomes mentally tough. He's not over hyped. Fans recognise his weaknesses. But there's no denying that he's one of the most elegant players currently.

Whenever you (Pak fans) get a sniff of talent from someone you hype him up so much that poor guy actually starts to believe in the hype around him, goes over the Moon and end up regressing terribly. If you aim to change that you need to stop using that same template over and over again. Not a single match winning century against proper attack and already 'as good as Kohli' 'Future ATG' ' Best against pace and short ball' like WTH!!

Pakistanis players aren't known to handle fame well, Babar is a decent chap, let him grow at his own pace, let him stay close to ground and perform, let him go beyond his prettyboy 40s and start winning matches so that even his staunchest critique will have to sit up and applaud.

 

[Captain caveman]

Whenever you (Pak fans) get a sniff of talent from someone you hype him up so much that poor guy actually starts to believe in the hype around him, goes over the Moon and end up regressing terribly. If you aim to change that you need to stop using that same template over and over again. Not a single match winning century against proper attack and already 'as good as Kohli' 'Future ATG' ' Best against pace and short ball' like WTH!!

Pakistanis players aren't known to handle fame well, Babar is a decent chap, let him grow at his own pace, let him stay close to ground and perform, let him go beyond his prettyboy 40s and start winning matches so that even his staunchest critique will have to sit up and applaud.

I am a pak fan and i agree with you 100%!
Even created a thread comparing the mentality of babar and umar akmal, both bottlers in my opinion.
Kohli is in a different league , but he has to prove himself in a wc, in my opinion, which he hasn't done so far. If anything, shikar has been more clutch in icc tourneys!

 

[Captain caveman]

This is precisely why Pak doesn't have a batting culture, you are so content with cheap thrills that you don't see the bigger picture. Even Ireland or Zimbabwe wouldn't celebrate petty 30s and 40s like many of you folks do.

And no he is not among the best in the world and there are at least a dozen players who play pace and short ball better than him.

Hanif M.
Javed miandad
Zaheer abbas
Inzi
Saeed anwar
M.yousuf
Younis khan

We don't have a batting culture?
We have produced far more top quality batsman than you have produced top quality pace bowlers!
But NOW not just our batting but our bowling stocks are all in decline!
Pakistanis dont love cricket like they used to in the 80s and 90s!

 

[Captain caveman]

No one will play Cummins half as well as he did in the the first 10 overs. He is a special talent, probably the best player of pace going around, and arguably the best player of the short ball in the world currently.

He should have won that match for Pakistan, at least contributed more, but things like this happen. Not many did brilliantly in their first world cup. Also, don't forget, how bad is the rest of the team, that surely puts pressure.

" best player of short ball in the world."
Gets out to a 82mph bouncer from kane(lol)!

 

[Captain caveman]

Pak fans have no middle ground!
If someone plays well in a match, they are the best player in the world!
e.g. babar
If someone has a bad run, they are the worst player in the world!
e.g. umar akmal

 

[Madplayer]

Everybody riding Babar's back like Betaal rode Vikram's back. Give him a break. Next match he will win it for you

 

[Hyperion66]

Kohli is in a different league , but he has to prove himself in a wc, in my opinion, which he hasn't done so far. If anything, shikar has been more clutch in icc tourneys!

Agreed. There is no denying that a player of his caliber massively underachived in WC. Hope he changes that this time.

 

[Captain caveman]

Agreed. There is no denying that a player of his caliber massively underachived in WC. Hope he changes that this time.

Now shikar may be out of the wc, maybe it will be kohli's time to shine!

 

[Hyperion66]

Hanif M.
Javed miandad
Zaheer abbas
Inzi
Saeed anwar
M.yousuf
Younis khan

We don't have a batting culture?
We have produced far more top quality batsman than you have produced top quality pace bowlers!
But NOW not just our batting but our bowling stocks are all in decline!
Pakistanis dont love cricket like they used to in the 80s and 90s!

Only Javed is an undisputed ATG among them, rest were damn good in their own rights. Agree again that we didn't produce many fast bowlers although our spin stock has mostly been better than you.

Anyways, if you had a batting culture you wouldn't have such scarcity of proper bats today. The players you named they stood up, shined and became legends of the game despite the lack of batting culture, just like Kapil rose up on his own when spinners used to bowl the new ball for us.

 

[Hyperion66]

Hanif M.
Javed miandad
Zaheer abbas
Inzi
Saeed anwar
M.yousuf
Younis khan

We don't have a batting culture?
We have produced far more top quality batsman than you have produced top quality pace bowlers!
But NOW not just our batting but our bowling stocks are all in decline!
Pakistanis dont love cricket like they used to in the 80s and 90s!

I think your bowling is declining for totally different reasons, more to do with domestic pitches, terrible infra and absence of international cricket than lack of talent. Guys like Shaheen are as talented as any and would have done much better under a different set up.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Babar is not even better than Kane Williamson let alone Virat Kohli.

That's because they are both great batsmen. You make it sound like Pakistan has some divine right to produce ATG batsmen, when in reality they are struggling to produce even two international class ones.

It says everything when the most sensible posts are by Indian fan Hyperion66.

 

[PakPremi]

How is someone who is now doing well in all three cricket standards (Test, ODI and T20) be overhyped ?

He has scored centuries in all three types, his average is also good. He is batting in a team that do not apply pressure on opposition bowling, hence he can not take advantage of deflated oppositions like an Indian, English or Aussie batsman can. However, I will admit he needs more focus which will come with more experience at highest level - he is very young to already carry major burden of Pak team.

 

[Green Patriot]

Hanif M.
Javed miandad
Zaheer abbas
Inzi
Saeed anwar
M.yousuf
Younis khan

We don't have a batting culture?
We have produced far more top quality batsman than you have produced top quality pace bowlers!
But NOW not just our batting but our bowling stocks are all in decline!
Pakistanis dont love cricket like they used to in the 80s and 90s!

In post 329 you yourself said India is the one with the batting culture and we have the bowling culture.
You are contradicting yourself.

 

[BalluBalleBaaz]

Over-hyped well depends. Batting talent no, finishing matches yes.

He doesnt have that personality. I expect him to be a good team player, giving his 100% for the cause, but asking him to single handed winning the match is not his thing. Its out of his limitations unless or until he crosses his limitations

 

[Inswinging Yorker]

Shahid "the Vooper" Afridi is the most over hyped cricketer in history, Babar Azam still has quality and technique...needs to work on mental strength as most pak batsmen

 

[PakPremi]

Afridi is not over hyped he was always a good bowler taking wickets at crunch time. Not his fault people expected him to be a full time batsman too when he did not have the temperament for batting, though he had good capability to be one if he could focus.
I hated his batting attitude.

 

[shockbound]

Babar 2019 vs Misbah 2011 WC against India - Which was worse?

Which of the slower innings was worse? Both had some chance if they could keep playing a short or two while paddling around for one or two.

Fakhar tried to ease the pressure like Umar Akmal, but couldn't do it till the end.

Why is he escaping the criticism? This was his time to proof that he can play against quality attacks, yet he faded like Akmals and scored a selfish 40-something till spin became too much for him.

 

[JaDed]

Babar was not worst, he is one down, he just didn't convert which is the issue..

 

[cririri]

Did you watch the match?If anything it was fakhar who was struggling and who gave away his wicket but they aren't the one to blame here.

 

[moghul]

This is non-sense, Misbah's was a crime, Babar's was a sincere effort but unable to finish the job. No comparison. Misbah did not even try , was trying to remain not out.

 

[Abdullah]

Lol joke thread. When those two were together, we were 20 runs off the par score ( and Vijay Shankar still had to bowl 5 overs, so we were just about right.)
I was disappointed he got out when he did, but got a good ball.

He started off well and it was fakhar who struggled which I was fine with, as he could make it up. Babar got stuck when he got to 35 ish but then he broke shackle vs chahal.
Kuldeep got the better off him

 

[Green Patriot]

What sort of thread is this??

Did you even watch the match or what?If anything it was Fakhar putting the pressure and Babar trying to release it.
There were points when Fakhar was 19(34) and 28(41) with Babar 23(26) and 27(31) and i thought to myself that this is not Fakhar's natural game.Sure he pulled it up but he was still batting at a lower SR than Babar's.

Babar was absolutely in no way to blame for Fakhar's absolute disaster of a shot.I dont understand what sort of a saint is Fakhar that everytime he gets out it is either Imam or Babar putting pressure when Fakhar has time and again proved that he likes to get out on brainless shots.

This unnecessary criticism on Babar is becoming quite the fashion and needs to stop.Babar's fault,if any,was not converting his start but he did get a pretty good ball.He is however not to blame for Fakhars dismissal or the loss of this match and there is no comparison between this knock and Misbah's AT ALL.

 

[Pete Rose]

the misbah innings is still going on somewhere, we've just stopped paying attention to it.

 

[waleed88]

Pakistan had more chance of chasing the 260 target down.

Babar was 38 off 50 chasing 334 and then hit a SIX.

After that he went at the same rate again. In the end he never compensated for the dot balls he consumed specially against their part timers India were bowling from.

 

[shockbound]

Babar was not worst, he is one down, he just didn't convert which is the issue..

He should have played at 6rpo. He is not sarfraz. It was his game. Malik used to do it in his prime against India. He could have done same but didnt because he is a wrist slitter. If you cant hit 6es, you can make up by bounderies. But if you score 2/3rpo and a rare boundary or two, you dont deserve to be called a #3.

 

[j_kazmi]

Lokesh Rahul was batting really slowly in the beginning. If India lost today would it have been his fault.

As long as the team run rate is good, individual SRs don’t matter. In this match the team run rate wasn’t good but they were struggling at the beginning so I think it was better to stay out there instead of forcing a shot and getting out.

In the end they both failed to capitalise and kick on which to me was a bigger error then the slow batting.

 

[hur rizvi]

He got a darn good delivery

 

[Abid Z]

Stupid thread. Babar got out to a real peach of a delivery. Many world class batsmen would have struggled with it.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Misbah's was clearly the superior innings. He played majestically, a legendary innings.

 

[shockbound]

Lol joke thread. When those two were together, we were 20 runs off the par score ( and Vijay Shankar still had to bowl 5 overs, so we were just about right.)
I was disappointed he got out when he did, but got a good ball.

He started off well and it was fakhar who struggled which I was fine with, as he could make it up. Babar got stuck when he got to 35 ish but then he broke shackle vs chahal.
Kuldeep got the better off him

That 20 gap kept increasing because he was nullifying the efforts of Fakhar. We didnt had Kohli at 6 to equal the balance sheet. They were supposed to keep is ahead/close so that any mishap could give them time to recover. Instead, babr got selfish for his 50. Glad he got a good spin one.

 

[shockbound]

He got a darn good delivery

Stupid thread. Babar got out to a real peach of a delivery. Many world class batsmen would have struggled with it.

Yes he did. Although Root/Kohli class would have countered it but lets say it was too good.

We are talking about what he did till that point. Misbah atleast was there to play a blinder till the end. He just tuk tuked his way till pressure got enough and then got himself out only to add more to already weak minded Fakhar.

 

[shockbound]

Lokesh Rahul was batting really slowly in the beginning. If India lost today would it have been his fault.

As long as the team run rate is good, individual SRs don’t matter. In this match the team run rate wasn’t good but they were struggling at the beginning so I think it was better to stay out there instead of forcing a shot and getting out.

In the end they both failed to capitalise and kick on which to me was a bigger error then the slow batting.

Rahul started slow, and stayed on the slower side. But he made sure that RR stays at 6 by taking consistent singles.

Babr on the other hand was Tuk Tuking it like he is chasing 236 with 3 wickets in hand.

 

[shockbound]

Pakistan had more chance of chasing the 260 target down.

Babar was 38 off 50 chasing 334 and then hit a SIX.

After that he went at the same rate again. In the end he never compensated for the dot balls he consumed specially against their part timers India were bowling from.

Yes. His inability to crawl around 6rpo was well exposed today. Was shamelessly stopping balls knowing that team already needs out of the ordinary effort to match the RR and they were well behind DWL point. He cant be a specialist batsman at #3 with this attitude, let alone counting him at Kohli class. He is only appearing good because of remaining crappy batsmen. Even Salman Butt in his days used to flick around for 6rpo when settled.

 

[topspin]

I do not want to hear anyone compare any sedate knock from a Pakistani batsman to the cowardice displayed by Misbah in Mohali, 8 years ago.

Sorry OP but this was a poor choice of thread.

 

[shockbound]

What sort of thread is this??

Did you even watch the match or what?If anything it was Fakhar putting the pressure and Babar trying to release it.
There were points when Fakhar was 19(34) and 28(41) with Babar 23(26) and 27(31) and i thought to myself that this is not Fakhar's natural game.Sure he pulled it up but he was still batting at a lower SR than Babar's.

Babar was absolutely in no way to blame for Fakhar's absolute disaster of a shot.I dont understand what sort of a saint is Fakhar that everytime he gets out it is either Imam or Babar putting pressure when Fakhar has time and again proved that he likes to get out on brainless shots.

This unnecessary criticism on Babar is becoming quite the fashion and needs to stop.Babar's fault,if any,was not converting his start but he did get a pretty good ball.He is however not to blame for Fakhars dismissal or the loss of this match and there is no comparison between this knock and Misbah's AT ALL.

Thats the point. Fakhar even with his limited abilities made it up later on. I kept watching Babar, apart from a six and occasional 4 after spending tons of dots, he only got out when it started to matter. This is a common pattern for him, esp in crunch games or against better bowling. I am not saying that Fakhar is a good player, he is a hack and is kept to play like one. But Babar clearly had no clue about holding innings around and only had his personal milestones at his mind.

 

[Abdullah]

That 20 gap kept increasing because he was nullifying the efforts of Fakhar. We didnt had Kohli at 6 to equal the balance sheet. They were supposed to keep is ahead/close so that any mishap could give them time to recover. Instead, babr got selfish for his 50. Glad he got a good spin one.

Lol that cant be right because he just planted chahal 90 meters back the over before.

Par was 123-1 after 23. We had 113. So 20 runs behind where you want to be because you want to be 10 ahead in case u lose a wicket.

These spinners choked Smith and Warner last week too and they are top level players.

 

[Hasan123]

I don't think Babar is over hyped. But I think it's clear that he is below the elite level.

 

[cririri]

Pakistan had more chance of chasing the 260 target down.

Babar was 38 off 50 chasing 334 and then hit a SIX.

After that he went at the same rate again. In the end he never compensated for the dot balls he consumed specially against their part timers India were bowling from.

Yes he consumed too many balls,even the goat finisher sarfraz ahmed couldn't win it for us.

 

[Abdullah]

I do think Babar is up there with fab 4. Obviously Kohli is miles ahead. He has to pick up the slack in this team unfortunately.
Williamson has so many games where he is going at 70sr , but nobody will recall this cos you don't follow it like a Pak game.

Root has Roy-bairstow and butler-Morgan-stokes either side of him.
Smith has Warner-Finch and Maxwell either side.
Williamson has Guptill-Munro and Taylor either side
Kohli is something else. No comparisons with anybody allowed. Just not fair.

Heck even Amla has Qdk and Miller either side.

50 overs is a long time, and u have to have an anchor, but we expecting this guy to do everything.

People need to get a grip

 

[cririri]

I do think Babar is up there with fab 4. Obviously Kohli is miles ahead. He has to pick up the slack in this team unfortunately.
Williamson has so many games where he is going at 70sr , but nobody will recall this cos you don't follow it like a Pak game.

Root has Roy-bairstow and butler-Morgan-stokes either side of him.
Smith has Warner-Finch and Maxwell either side.
Williamson has Guptill-Munro and Taylor either side
Kohli is something else. No comparisons with anybody allowed. Just not fair.

Heck even Amla has Qdk and Miller either side.

50 overs is a long time, and u have to have an anchor, but we expecting this guy to do everything.

People need to get a grip

What's the point?Babar has sarfraz(probably the best striker in the world)/malik(hits fast bowlers like no one)/hafeez(what timing yaar)

 

[shockbound]

Lol that cant be right because he just planted chahal 90 meters back the over before.

Par was 123-1 after 23. We had 113. So 20 runs behind where you want to be because you want to be 10 ahead in case u lose a wicket.

These spinners choked Smith and Warner last week too and they are top level players.

Yes he managed to hit one. But a single six? And dot padded fours? Is this what Sharma, Kohli, Rahul did today?

We were 20 runs behind because Babr was not bothering to score at 6rpo when required rate was lower. Not long ago, even baba Malik gave a minor phainta to South Africa in England just to make sure that Pakistan stays ahead of RR then. Babar was also tuk tuking there... oh well..


Forget about chasing 300+ on slightly tricky and 350+ on a belter with this guy at 3.


And they choked Australians because they were poor players of spin. We werent.

 

[Abdullah]

Yes. His inability to crawl around 6rpo was well exposed today. Was shamelessly stopping balls knowing that team already needs out of the ordinary effort to match the RR and they were well behind DWL point. He cant be a specialist batsman at #3 with this attitude, let alone counting him at Kohli class. He is only appearing good because of remaining crappy batsmen. Even Salman Butt in his days used to flick around for 6rpo when settled.

Read post 360 and 376 . We were not well behind DLS at all.

 

[abhay]

Acording to some ppl here he is the second best asian cricketer in LOIs and on his way to become the best one ......................

 

[Abdullah]

Yes he managed to hit one. But a single six? And dot padded fours? Is this what Sharma, Kohli, Rahul did today?

We were 20 runs behind because Babr was not bothering to score at 6rpo when required rate was lower. Not long ago, even baba Malik gave a minor phainta to South Africa in England just to make sure that Pakistan stays ahead of RR then. Babar was also tuk tuking there... oh well..


Forget about chasing 300+ on slightly tricky and 350+ on a belter with this guy at 3.


And they choked Australians because they were poor players of spin. We werent.

The ball was actually turning today and wasn't Vs Ind aus.
Stop hating for the sake of it. Nobody in world will chase 300+ on their own in a world cup game ( except Kohli)
Root Smith Williamson will all need heavy lifting done by others

 

[emranabbas]

Lokesh Rahul was batting really slowly in the beginning. If India lost today would it have been his fault.

As long as the team run rate is good, individual SRs don’t matter. In this match the team run rate wasn’t good but they were struggling at the beginning so I think it was better to stay out there instead of forcing a shot and getting out.

In the end they both failed to capitalise and kick on which to me was a bigger error then the slow batting.

So who is to blame when we were 1 down
Playing at a rate of 4 an over when the asking rare was nearly 8 an over?

 

[Abdullah]

What's the point?Babar has sarfraz(probably the best striker in the world)/malik(hits fast bowlers like no one)/hafeez(what timing yaar)

It's scandalous people want him to perform like Kohli when Kohli is an ATG. Even Kohli started sedately today. Was 30 off 39 at the start of his innings and he came in in a dream scenario today.
PPers would have been baying for him at that point!!

 

[Green Patriot]

We are not talking about anything. You are talking about something which just doesn’t exist ie top order batsman of the quality of roy bairstow rohit or Butler. Most top order proper batsmen like to build s platform first and then hopefully pick up the pace later. It’s not t20 cricket ***

No.That's to do with Babar's capabilities and not because he had his 50 in his mind.He does bat well in the PP scoring boundaries and so his SR is 100 or so and it drops after PP but it did not drop to alarming levels but was around 80 odd and if Fakhar is feeling pressure because of Babar's pace(when he himself had a lower SR than Babar when he got out)than its to do with Fakhar's mind and is not Babar's responsibility.

It is absolutely mind boggling to blame him for that and essentially blaming his innings solely,for the loss of the match,by comparing it with Misbah's in 2011 when there are far more glaring culprits in the match.

 

[waleed88]

Yes he consumed too many balls,even the goat finisher sarfraz ahmed couldn't win it for us.

By the time Sarf came in, 200 were required of 20 overs. I am very sure this team had given up by then. Sarfaraz looked like a captain who has lost the dressing room, and he was left with nothing but the carcasses to survive on.. probably playing his last days as captain on the pitch. Pretty sure he got the ultimatum even before the tournament happened.

 

[shockbound]

The ball was actually turning today and wasn't Vs Ind aus.
Stop hating for the sake of it. Nobody in world will chase 300+ on their own in a world cup game ( except Kohli)
Root Smith Williamson will all need heavy lifting done by others

I wasnt expecting him to chase down 300+, but to put up an equal fight for a while.

Look at this old score card, this is how 300+ targets are chased (Shoaib's innings of 100SR). You give something to fight for. you dont tuk tuk your way till it be next to impossible for new comers.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...kistan-4th-odi-pakistan-tour-of-india-2004-05

 

[AdamM97]

People comparing Indian batsmen to Babar need to remember that we gifted boundaries and wickets (run out miss of Rohit) to India. Babar played well today and got out on a good ball.

 

[Abdullah]

I wasnt expecting him to chase down 300+, but to put up an equal fight for a while.

Look at this old score card, this is how 300+ targets are chased (Shoaib's innings of 100SR). You give something to fight for. you dont tuk tuk your way till it be next to impossible for new comers.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...kistan-4th-odi-pakistan-tour-of-india-2004-05

Lol u don't need to go that far back. Pak scored 360 chasing 370 a month ago, so they had a template.( Which Babar and fakhar were a part of)

India were just too good today

 

[blackanhyellow]

If anything Babar proved he belongs at the top level. His numbers arent just padded up because he made records against a depleted windies team.

He has the same class and timing against good bowlers.

He just needs a bit more mental focus to turn his 50s into 100s.

Todays match got a peach from Kuldeep, but previous match was a soft dismissal.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If anything Babar proved he belongs at the top level. His numbers arent just padded up because he made records against a depleted windies team.

He has the same class and timing against good bowlers.

He just needs a bit more mental focus to turn his 50s into 100s.

Todays match got a peach from Kuldeep, but previous match was a soft dismissal.

His construction of ODI knocks has scope to improve. Today Kohli batted 65 balls 17 dot balls. Babar batted 57 balls 24 dot balls. You cannot control games without being an outstanding runner between the wickets. Inzamam could do because he had power game.

 

[UP]

I have yet to see a match winning inning from the so called world class bat. King of soft runs.

 

[Kianig89]

Clever player plays selfishly

 

[Stumper]

His construction of ODI knocks has scope to improve. Today Kohli batted 65 balls 17 dot balls. Babar batted 57 balls 24 dot balls. You cannot control games without being an outstanding runner between the wickets. Inzamam could do because he had power game.

you are correct bhai, Babar is a king of soft runs like Amla. He does seems to play for himself then team. If as a player you don't have a power game its batter if you bat at around 90+ strike rate, which he doesn't.

 

[sshakir411]

I have yet to see a match winning inning from the so called world class bat. King of soft runs.

Mental midget. The real one.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Lol u don't need to go that far back. Pak scored 360 chasing 370 a month ago, so they had a template.( Which Babar and fakhar were a part of)

India were just too good today

They lost still.

I get that you are giving Babar a longer rope which is fine.

But excuses are fast running out for him.

His runs have minimum impact in any wins.

If you think he is a part of Fab 4, just compare how many of their innings have resulted in wins vs Babar and then we can have a good idea.

 

[hadi123]

He got a beautiful ball. He was playing a good innings and that partnership between him and Zaman was really starting to put pressure on India

 

[ABMiller]

Yes he got a good ball against India, but it is no stretch unplayable. It's a well executed leg break which turned. Not a googly either. There is a huge gap between bat and pad, and he made a meal out of the good ball. He was struggling to pick both the wrist spinners.

Even with LBW shout he got away, he completely misread the googly. Him getting a jaffas every match is just an excuse. There was some turn when the Indians batted as well, but they adjusted beautifully. But Babar and pak made a mess out of it.

 

[Sam99]

Not good to be compared with kohli or even fab four. Maybe can be compared with rohit, warner, bairstow type of players.

 

[Abdullah]

They lost still.

I get that you are giving Babar a longer rope which is fine.

But excuses are fast running out for him.

His runs have minimum impact in any wins.

If you think he is a part of Fab 4, just compare how many of their innings have resulted in wins vs Babar and then we can have a good idea.

NOBODY is winning odi games in 330+ chases on their own ( except Kohli)
It has to be a TEAM effort.
And we all know what it looks like when Babar goes early.

Not root, not Williamson, not smith, not anybody not called kohli

 

[Mamoon]

There are two primary issues with Babar’s batting that have prevented him from taking his game to the next level.

(1) He is too reliant on loose deliveries to score runs and find boundaries. Unless the bowlers bowl him juicy half-volleys or give him width, he struggles to get on top of the bowling. The truly best batsmen have the ability to punish good bowling as well.

(2) His survival rate against exceptional deliveries is low. Again, the truly great batsman have the ability to survive excellent deliveries.

If he can work on these two major flaws in his game, he has all the ability to reach the level of Root, Smith and Williamson.