Is Babar Azam the Sachin Tendulkar of Pakistan?

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

He has been in the top 5 run scorers in the last 2 years, so being ranked in the top 5 isn't a huge surprise.

Ranking has been boosted by playing on some phattas at home.

He is a top class ODI player but not so much in recent ICC tournaments. His ICC rankings reflect that. Babar has never been ranked that high in test, he is not among the greats of his era in test for sure.

Wahi bhai, There is an existing flaw in ranking algorithm and Babar somehow has been able to exploit it to the fullest. Not saying that he does it intentionally.
You mentioned it yourself based on your perception about his test performance that he is not ranked highly in tests. But voila, rankings say that Babar Azam is among greatest test players of last few years.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Babar doesn't play fearless cricket. Instead, he plays careful shots and mostly drives, so it's not wrong to compare him to Sachin Tendulkar

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Babar doesn't play fearless cricket. Instead, he plays careful shots and mostly drives, so it's not wrong to compare him to Sachin Tendulkar

Tendulkar at 30 was doing this

and winning the Man of the series of World Cup and many more
What is Babar doing at 30 in the era of T20s.

Zabardasti ka comparison

 

[leonidas_alexandar]

Honestly - we do not know how Babar is going to evolve in the future. It is possible he may make changes to his batting style. He already has a phenomenal reputation for his age and his achievements are really good.

At this point it is unfair to compare him with Sachin who's had a 20 year career with massive up's and downs - not necessarily in terms of his form but various changes in his life and batting style.

As a cricket fan - I genuinely wish for Babar to emerge as one of our great batsmen of this era.

 

[Buffet]

Last 10 years in the test format - # of MOM in test from Pakistan,

Abid Ali - 4 times
YK - 3 times
Abdullah - 2 times
Sarfaraz - 2 times

All of them have played less than 50 tests in the last 10 years. Babar has played more than 50 tests in the last 10 years

Babar - 1 time MOM and 0 times MOS in 50 plus test. Away average 35-36 in the last 10 years.

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Babar has been impactless batsman for Pakistan. He has been outshined by many batmen within his team. Posters are unncessary getting into comparison, because I don't think OP meant that, but even analogy of a lone warrior for his team does not hold true for Babar.

 

[Buffet]

To be Sachin Tendulkar for Pakistan, Babar does not need to match Sachin's performance.

He needs to be dominant and impactful in all formats for his team. That's not the case.

He is not Sachin Tendulkar for Pakistan by some margin.

 

[Sir Alex]

Sachin himself admitted it, the video is on YouTube.

Pls provide a link. You always learn something new everyday.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Wahi bhai, There is an existing flaw in ranking algorithm and Babar somehow has been able to exploit it to the fullest. Not saying that he does it intentionally.
You mentioned it yourself based on your perception about his test performance that he is not ranked highly in tests. But voila, rankings say that Babar Azam is among greatest test players of last few years.

There isn't a flaw in the algorithm it is what it is any player is able to score as much runs as Babar in the same amount of time and they will also be number 3. It's not as if he has scored ducks for two years and somehow still is number 3 right

The flaw is if algorithm and rankings in isolation are the only way to measure greatness of a player. It is just information that is there to be interpreted.

For most fans the biggest metric is away tons in test matches or daddy hundreds. He doesn't have those to compliment his ranking.

 

[Sir Alex]

India’s best batsmen are without questions Sunil Gavaskar & Virat Kohli but they have not been marketed as aggressively & intentionally as Tendulkar by the BCCI as an organization and India as a country.

Both are reflections of their countries in different ereras.

I won't go into the Sunil Gavaskar comparison. As I was not alive for much of his career.

But oh dear. I had a real laugh at Virat Kohli.

Indian test team has moved on from Virat Kohli since late 2020 - and it has not affected their chances of winning at both home and away. Including a famous series win in Australia. He is as redundant as the PCB fitness guy in the team.

And India raced to the finals without a single meaningful contribution by Virat in the just concluded T20 World Cup and even his performance in finals was ranked lower than 4 other Indians. Also India T20 team too have demonstrated that it doesn't need someone like Kohli in the last year or year and half.

Kohli is probably relevant only in ODI format and even there there are capable replacements for him.

On the other hand, Indian cricket team was reliant on Tendulkar till 2011 World Cup. Even at the grand old age of 37 or 38 , Tendulkar was busy saving and winning for India with impacftul performances. As far as tests are concerned , one just need to recollect the legendary face off between him and a peak Dale Steyn in SA in 2010-11. And then how he was instrumental in getting India to the finals of the world cup.

Post 2011 WC when he hit terminal decline, it also affected Indian team terribly. With they losing the Eng and Aus series badly. They even dropped a home Eng series. That indicated how much reliant India were still on Sachin. But thankfully by 2013.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

There isn't a flaw in the algorithm it is what it is any player is able to score as much runs as Babar in the same amount of time and they will also be number 3. It's not as if he has scored ducks for two years and somehow still is number 3 right

The flaw is if algorithm and rankings in isolation are the only way to measure greatness of a player. It is just information that is there to be interpreted.

For most fans the biggest metric is away tons in test matches or daddy hundreds. He doesn't have those to compliment his ranking.

Ranking by their definition should reflect the best players in order. A perfect ranking system would be stand alone chart of defining greatness.

If they are not able to capture that, then its flawed.
Otherwise we have standard stats like averages 100s and Strike rate na.

 

[chakdeindian]

Can you all please stop comparing each n every pak players to an Indian player..I see so many such threads in this forum.. although have to accept it's entertaining in a funny way (viewing the progress of those comparisons which gets debunked later) it's also annoying when such threads created to compare Babar with greatest cricketers like Sachin, when he is actually not..Don't see any threads comparing with other country players like Ponting, Lara, joe Root..etc..ppl who creates such threads are creating a misconception to the current generation that Sachin was an accumulator, whereas we know how many great knocks he played against stronger teams which Babar can't dream off..acc to me Babar is yet to outdo the class of Inzi and Younis two greatest pak cricketers let alone Sachin..

 

[mominsaigol]

Pls provide a link. You always learn something new everyday.

I would but idk if I'm allowed to.

 

[chinaman00]

I won't go into the Sunil Gavaskar comparison. As I was not alive for much of his career.

But oh dear. I had a real laugh at Virat Kohli.

Indian test team has moved on from Virat Kohli since late 2020 - and it has not affected their chances of winning at both home and away. Including a famous series win in Australia. He is as redundant as the PCB fitness guy in the team.

And India raced to the finals without a single meaningful contribution by Virat in the just concluded T20 World Cup and even his performance in finals was ranked lower than 4 other Indians. Also India T20 team too have demonstrated that it doesn't need someone like Kohli in the last year or year and half.

Kohli is probably relevant only in ODI format and even there there are capable replacements for him.

On the other hand, Indian cricket team was reliant on Tendulkar till 2011 World Cup. Even at the grand old age of 37 or 38 , Tendulkar was busy saving and winning for India with impacftul performances. As far as tests are concerned , one just need to recollect the legendary face off between him and a peak Dale Steyn in SA in 2010-11. And then how he was instrumental in getting India to the finals of the world cup.

Post 2011 WC when he hit terminal decline, it also affected Indian team terribly. With they losing the Eng and Aus series badly. They even dropped a home Eng series. That indicated how much reliant India were still on Sachin. But thankfully by 2013.

Without Kohli’s masterful knock in the final, India would have crashed out. He was the difference and gave the bowlers something to defend. Crazy to take a revisionist turn on a game that was played just few days ago.

Kohli is mentioned along other great athletes in other sports like LeBron James, Ronaldo etc. He has a global appeal unlike the over-marketed Tendulkar.

 

[mominsaigol]

Without Kohli’s masterful knock in the final, India would have crashed out. He was the difference and gave the bowlers something to defend. Crazy to take a revisionist turn on a game that was played just few days ago.

Kohli is mentioned along other great athletes in other sports like LeBron James, Ronaldo etc. He has a global appeal unlike the over-marketed Tendulkar.

That's mainly for a few reasons.

A) Social media wasnt too relevant during Tendulkar's career. 90% of his career was without social media. From 2004 to 2010, Facebook was still in its infancy stages and Facebook platform at the time wasn't about making people famous, it was about connecting the world and forming close connections with a group of people you knew.

Similarly YouTube in 2004 to 2010 was mostly the vlogging and vevo era. People would upload highlights, or make funny videos, it wasn't like how it is now where the platform is a global money making influencer machine.

Twitter is the same as in 2006 to 2011 it was mostly a platform for news alerts, not a platform for marketing propaganda and individuals.

Instagram was in its absolute infancy from 2010-2012.

By the time social media became the powerhouse it is today where every platform is a self advertising tool, Sachin had retired, so obviously he'd have less followers and overall less relevance as no cricket fan wants to closely follow the past, and wants to stay in the present.

B) Kohli benefitted from being married to a Bollywood star which massively boosted his pr to global standards, something Sachin didn't have the advantage off.

C) Kohli also benefitted from riding off ove Sachin's PR ironically especially when he broke Tendulkar's odi century record lol.


But to answer your question, I've seen both of them play, Sachin > Kohli in both test and odi as a batsmen no question.

However kohli is better then Sachin at chasing. If batting 2nd in odi, Kohli is a better bat but batting first Sachin is ahead. However in test Sachin is superior in all forms.

 

[chinaman00]

That's mainly for a few reasons.

A) Social media wasnt too relevant during Tendulkar's career. 90% of his career was without social media. From 2004 to 2010, Facebook was still in its infancy stages and Facebook platform at the time wasn't about making people famous, it was about connecting the world and forming close connections with a group of people you knew.

Similarly YouTube in 2004 to 2010 was mostly the vlogging and vevo era. People would upload highlights, or make funny videos, it wasn't like how it is now where the platform is a global money making influencer machine.

Twitter is the same as in 2006 to 2011 it was mostly a platform for news alerts, not a platform for marketing propaganda and individuals.

Instagram was in its absolute infancy from 2010-2012.

By the time social media became the powerhouse it is today where every platform is a self advertising tool, Sachin had retired, so obviously he'd have less followers and overall less relevance as no cricket fan wants to closely follow the past, and wants to stay in the present.

B) Kohli benefitted from being married to a Bollywood star which massively boosted his pr to global standards, something Sachin didn't have the advantage off.

C) Kohli also benefitted from riding off ove Sachin's PR ironically especially when he broke Tendulkar's odi century record lol.


But to answer your question, I've seen both of them play, Sachin > Kohli in both test and odi as a batsmen no question.

However kohli is better than Sachin at chasing. If batting 2nd in odi, Kohli is a better bat but batting first Sachin is ahead. However in test Sachin is superior in all forms.

I get your point on the age of social media and Tendulkar being better in Tests but how can you reasonably claim Kohli is inferior to Tendulkar in ODI?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Tendulkar was a far better batsman than Kohli and Babar

 

[ravisurya]

Babar Azam has scored 6 out of his 9 hundreds on the highways of Pindi and Karachi. To even take his name along with one of the ATGs off the game is blasphemous.

 

[giri26]

Both mediocre players that were overhyped by shrewd marketers. But Tendulkar had legitimate ATG performances and can objectively be considered one of the greats of the game Babar is mediocre, incoherent and brainless. Both were horrible captains, but Tendulkar and BCCI understood this limitation and didn’t burden Tendulkar with the captaincy.

Babar represents all the follies of modern Pakistan: underachiever, nepotistic, criminally low emotional and intellectual intelligence. Tendulkar in the 1990s heralded a new India that was assertive, proud and insistent. Babar reflects the modern Pakistani state in the sense that’s he’s subdued, confused and lost.

India’s best batsmen are without questions Sunil Gavaskar & Virat Kohli but they have not been marketed as aggressively & intentionally as Tendulkar by the BCCI as an organization and India as a country.

Both are reflections of their countries in different eras.

People don't understand why Sachin was so revered in the 90's. Someone who started watching cricket after 2000's have no clue. Sachin wasn't promoted by BCCI, they were a nobody in the 90's. Sachin was loved by people all over the world due to his amazing performances during that time. There was a Aussie fan of Sachin who named his son after him after seeing him bat in 1992. Sachin was 18 at that time. The reason Indian's loved Sachin in the 90's is because he was the first Indian batter who looked great bowlers in the eye and took them on for the first time. Yes we had Gavaskar, Amarnath, Vengsarkar etc but they weren't aggressive players and did not put fear in the opposition like Sachin did.

If you look through the 90's the opposition wanted to get Sachin out at all cost as they knew the rest of the batting will crumble. Sachin played aggressively taking on the best bowlers of the world. Indian's hadn't seen something like that till then. Yeah Gavaskar was great but he was a fantastic batter with great technique but did not take on the bowling like Sachin did. Sachin was the batter who gave India the hope that we can take on best bowlers of the world and inspired the future generation of batters. Imagine in 1994 when Sachin was only 21, he was sent to open the batting at Eden Park and he scored 82 of 49 balls, great innings even by today's standards. He played many such aggressive knocks in the 90's, the only batter who would take risks against the new ball. By the time he was 25, he was being called great and was being compared with Don Bradman. No propaganda, no marketing as those were at the infancy during that time, it was all organic. The world was calling him great and Bradman himself compared his style to his own. So please keep your post 2000 opinions to yourself. People who watched cricket in the 90's know what Sachin meant to Indian cricket. Virat is a great but he himself will admit that he doesn't compare to the impact Sachin had over Indian cricket.

 

[chinaman00]

People don't understand why Sachin was so revered in the 90's. Someone who started watching cricket after 2000's have no clue. Sachin wasn't promoted by BCCI, they were a nobody in the 90's. Sachin was loved by people all over the world due to his amazing performances during that time. There was a Aussie fan of Sachin who named his son after him after seeing him bat in 1992. Sachin was 18 at that time. The reason Indian's loved Sachin in the 90's is because he was the first Indian batter who looked great bowlers in the eye and took them on for the first time. Yes we had Gavaskar, Amarnath, Vengsarkar etc but they weren't aggressive players and did not put fear in the opposition like Sachin did.

If you look through the 90's the opposition wanted to get Sachin out at all cost as they knew the rest of the batting will crumble. Sachin played aggressively taking on the best bowlers of the world. Indian's hadn't seen something like that till then. Yeah Gavaskar was great but he was a fantastic batter with great technique but did not take on the bowling like Sachin did. Sachin was the batter who gave India the hope that we can take on best bowlers of the world and inspired the future generation of batters. Imagine in 1994 when Sachin was only 21, he was sent to open the batting at Eden Park and he scored 82 of 49 balls, great innings even by today's standards. He played many such aggressive knocks in the 90's, the only batter who would take risks against the new ball. By the time he was 25, he was being called great and was being compared with Don Bradman. No propaganda, no marketing as those were at the infancy during that time, it was all organic. The world was calling him great and Bradman himself compared his style to his own. So please keep your post 2000 opinions to yourself. People who watched cricket in the 90's know what Sachin meant to Indian cricket. Virat is a great but he himself will admit that he doesn't compare to the impact Sachin had over Indian cricket.

I have actually been watching cricket since early 1990s, so definitely not a “post 2000” fan.

Sunil Gavaskar has nearly an identical test average as Tendulkar while playing during the golden era of fast bowling in the 1970-1980s. Sunil Gavaskar was the best Indian Test batsman, as both his test average and the quality of bowlers he faced attest to. Tendulkar played against much inferior bowlers, especially during the tail end of his career.

Ps

I remember a Pakistani fan killing his brother for naming his son after Wasim Akram after the 1996 WC debacle, so crazy fans will do crazy stuff like name their kids after celebrities. It means nothing. Tendulkar was 60% talent and 40% hype. As I said, Kohli is better all format player than he’s & Gavaskar is a better Test player than he was. Numbers don’t lie.

 

[giri26]

I have actually been watching cricket since early 1990s, so definitely not a “post 2000” fan.

Sunil Gavaskar has nearly an identical test average as Tendulkar while playing during the golden era of fast bowling in the 1970-1980s. Sunil Gavaskar was the best Indian Test batsman, as both his test average and the quality of bowlers he faced attest to. Tendulkar played against much inferior bowlers, especially during the tail end of his career.

Ps

I remember a Pakistani fan killing his brother for naming his son after Wasim Akram after the 1996 WC debacle, so crazy fans will do crazy stuff like name their kids after celebrities. It means nothing. Tendulkar was 60% talent and 40% hype. As I said, Kohli is better all format player than he’s & Gavaskar is a better Test player than he was. Numbers don’t lie.

And Virat played better bowlers than Sachin? and you tell you have been watching cricket since 90's? Not that well I assume. In which world are McGrath, Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, Donald, Pollock, Warne, Murali, Vaas, Walsh etc are worse than what Virat played? Sachin played multiple generation of bowlers and he did very well. The hype about Sachin was real. I never said that Gavaskar was not great. Please read my post. Gavaskar is a great and will remain great. His average has nothing to do with what I am talking about. Gavaskar was product of his time and strictly from Bombay school of batting. Technically correct and effective but wasn't someone who took on the bowling.

Sachin was technically perfect but brought a new dimension to Indian batting. When you say you watched cricket in the 90's it is hard to beleieve when you say things like Sachin played inferior bowlers and then you rate Virat higher than him. Sachin played almost 3 decades of bowlers and may legends and greats during his time, more than Virat ever did. Even Zimbabwe was a very good side in the 90's having bowlers like Heath Streak. So once again please stop arguing cricket of the 90's with me. I know everything that happened during that decade in Indian cricket. I was a fanatic at that time and watched almost every game India played and can even remember scores, stats etc clearly even now. BCCI or the Indian media weren't that powerful in the 90's to market Sachin across the world. The hype and popularity was organic and it was due to his sheer performances. The social media propaganda to big up a player like how it is being done for Babar Azam could not be done then. Sachin is a great and will remain great. I agree Virat has had a better ODI career but Sachin is a better overall bat, the former will not be part of any World XI except for ODIs and may be T20. Sachin will be the first name pencilled in every world XI even now, not from Indian fans but from former players and greats around the world.

 

[cricketcricket79]

Case for it:
1. Came through the ranks very young with great technique, temperament and hard work.
2. Run accumulator; breaking all previous records
3. Poor captain
4. Poor communicator
5. Loves milestones

Case against it:
1. Tendulkar could play a blinder early on in his career which Babar rarely does
2. Tendulkar gave away captaincy easily
3. Tendulkar did not appear to do yaari dosti team; was more consumed with his own game
4. Tendulkar could bowl well at times
5. Tendulkar was more agile fielder

LOL. I like Babar a lot such comparisons are not fair to Babar. First comparing him with Kohli, now to Sachin. There is at best very minimal similarity anyway you look and at worst, they are not even the same level player. Sachin was compared to Bradman by Bradman himself.

 

[Sir Alex]

Without Kohli’s masterful knock in the final, India would have crashed out. He was the difference and gave the bowlers something to defend. Crazy to take a revisionist turn on a game that was played just few days ago.

Kohli is mentioned along other great athletes in other sports like LeBron James, Ronaldo etc. He has a global appeal unlike the over-marketed Tendulkar.

The last paragraph shows ironically how endorsements with global brands have artificially inflated Kohli brand.

Lawmakers literally rewrote conventions to award Sachin the Bharat Ratna. He was literally the sporting icon of a billion for nearly 20 years. You won't understand probably because you probably haven't experienced it first hand. I have seen it. Elderly, youngsters everyone together as one cheering for him. Kohli doesn't have even a tenth of that adulation.

Anyway there is no real point arguing this further.

 

[Jatlahoria]

Tendulkar was a far better batsman than Kohli and Babar

Agree, Tendulkar is a league above Kohli and Babar as a batsman.

The last paragraph shows ironically how endorsements with global brands have artificially inflated Kohli brand.

Lawmakers literally rewrote conventions to award Sachin the Bharat Ratna. He was literally the sporting icon of a billion for nearly 20 years. You won't understand probably because you probably haven't experienced it first hand. I have seen it. Elderly, youngsters everyone together as one cheering for him. Kohli doesn't have even a tenth of that adulation.

Anyway there is no real point arguing this both Kohli and Babar have been over

The last paragraph shows ironically how endorsements with global brands have artificially inflated Kohli brand.

Lawmakers literally rewrote conventions to award Sachin the Bharat Ratna. He was literally the sporting icon of a billion for nearly 20 years. You won't understand probably because you probably haven't experienced it first hand. I have seen it. Elderly, youngsters everyone together as one cheering for him. Kohli doesn't have even a tenth of that adulation.

Anyway there is no real point arguing this further.

 

[Jatlahoria]

The last paragraph shows ironically how endorsements with global brands have artificially inflated Kohli brand.

Lawmakers literally rewrote conventions to award Sachin the Bharat Ratna. He was literally the sporting icon of a billion for nearly 20 years. You won't understand probably because you probably haven't experienced it first hand. I have seen it. Elderly, youngsters everyone together as one cheering for him. Kohli doesn't have even a tenth of that adulation.

Anyway there is no real point arguing this further.

Tendulkar was not over marketed like Kohli(fitness plus Movistar wife) and Babar(the next Imran Khan like captain). He was just a phenomenal batsman that was followed closely by the whole cricketing world. Can Babar just focus on his batting to fulfill his promise as Pakistan’s premier batsman of the generation? Is he trying to be someone he cannot be?

 

[ChennaiFan]

Babar could be called a Dilip Vengsarkar, Michael Vaughan, or Andrew Strauss of Pakistan.

 

[mominsaigol]

I get your point on the age of social media and Tendulkar being better in Tests but how can you reasonably claim Kohli is inferior to Tendulkar in ODI?

Odi is debatable bit if you watch their innings. Not only is Sachin more attacking he's always been better when it comes to batting first.

Kohli is only superior in regards to chasing in odi.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Comparisons of 2 different eras will never end up being justified. There is a huge huge difference between these 2 players and the bunch of players surrounding them.

 

[chinaman00]

And Virat played better bowlers than Sachin? and you tell you have been watching cricket since 90's? Not that well I assume. In which world are McGrath, Ambrose, Wasim, Waqar, Donald, Pollock, Warne, Murali, Vaas, Walsh etc are worse than what Virat played? Sachin played multiple generation of bowlers and he did very well. The hype about Sachin was real. I never said that Gavaskar was not great. Please read my post. Gavaskar is a great and will remain great. His average has nothing to do with what I am talking about. Gavaskar was product of his time and strictly from Bombay school of batting. Technically correct and effective but wasn't someone who took on the bowling.

Sachin was technically perfect but brought a new dimension to Indian batting. When you say you watched cricket in the 90's it is hard to beleieve when you say things like Sachin played inferior bowlers and then you rate Virat higher than him. Sachin played almost 3 decades of bowlers and may legends and greats during his time, more than Virat ever did. Even Zimbabwe was a very good side in the 90's having bowlers like Heath Streak. So once again please stop arguing cricket of the 90's with me. I know everything that happened during that decade in Indian cricket. I was a fanatic at that time and watched almost every game India played and can even remember scores, stats etc clearly even now. BCCI or the Indian media weren't that powerful in the 90's to market Sachin across the world. The hype and popularity was organic and it was due to his sheer performances. The social media propaganda to big up a player like how it is being done for Babar Azam could not be done then. Sachin is a great and will remain great. I agree Virat has had a better ODI career but Sachin is a better overall bat, the former will not be part of any World XI except for ODIs and may be T20. Sachin will be the first name pencilled in every world XI even now, not from Indian fans but from former players and greats around the world.

Good rebuttal. I appreciate your nuanced perspectives on Tendulkar even if I might never be a fan of him.

 

[aukhan]

Babar is not a team player like Sachin.

Young Sachin played some unbelievable innings and bashed top bowlers with the new ball on difficult pitches.

Babar has only played one slow World Cup inning considering the match context, which people still bring up as his career best.

Sachin was hardworking, improved, and played with a hunger to win for his country. Babar is more focused on becoming a top player based solely on statistics.

Sachin was marketable due to his mindset, maturity, grooming, and tarbiyat. Babar is still an unpadh, gawar paidu who is yet to behave or talk like a top cricketer.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Babar is not a team player like Sachin.

Young Sachin played some unbelievable innings and bashed top bowlers with the new ball on difficult pitches.

Babar has only played one slow World Cup inning considering the match context, which people still bring up as his career best.

Sachin was hardworking, improved, and played with a hunger to win for his country. Babar is more focused on becoming a top player based solely on statistics.

Sachin was marketable due to his mindset, maturity, grooming, and tarbiyat. Babar is still an unpadh, gawar paidu who is yet to behave or talk like a top cricketer.

Averages literally 23 in the last 1 and half year of tests and still ranked 3 in ICC rankings.
That's mindboggling luck in rankings.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Sachin also went through a similar rough patch in his early 30s

 

[Varun]

Sachin (and Dravid and Laxman and their ilk) practiced hard on their technique. Every two years they had to add more tricks to their armour and iron out any kinks, while taking care of injuries and juggling the other format - ODIs of their time.

Babar has just stood still for at least 4 years now.

 

[AMSS]

I was incredulous that such a thread did not exist on this forum and sure enough. How did I ever miss it lmao

 

[Savak]

Sachin (and Dravid and Laxman and their ilk) practiced hard on their technique. Every two years they had to add more tricks to their armour and iron out any kinks, while taking care of injuries and juggling the other format - ODIs of their time.

Babar has just stood still for at least 4 years now.

Everyone who has worked with Babar in the past 3-4 years has confirmed that he doesn't listen to feedback constructively and just stays in his comfort zone. His batting has declined badly and teams have worked him out by plugging the gaps, denying him early drives and cuts, pulls

 

[Bhaijaan]

Everyone who has worked with Babar in the past 3-4 years has confirmed that he doesn't listen to feedback constructively and just stays in his comfort zone. His batting has declined badly and teams have worked him out by plugging the gaps, denying him early drives and cuts, pulls

He needs stability and focus.
I think his parents should get him married before its too late and is not attractive anymore.

 

[mominsaigol]

Hahahahahaha, How many of these threads exist

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The likes of Shehzad and Babar are all more naturally talented than the likes of SRT.

 

[Savak]

He needs stability and focus.
I think his parents should get him married before its too late and is not attractive anymore.

Marriage will make him worse. Pakistani players have historically gotten worse after marriage, whatever spare time you have to focus on your fitness, game now goes to your wife and kids.

Kohlis decline from his peak standards coincided with him becoming a father.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Marriage will make him worse. Pakistani players have historically gotten worse after marriage, whatever spare time you have to focus on your fitness, game now goes to your wife and kids.

Kohlis decline from his peak standards coincided with him becoming a father.

But Kohli played some of his greatest knocks as a father and a loving husband.

Melbourne knock, World Cup MOTT, T20 WC final MOTM

 

[Cricket Warrior]

more likely both are same... cant finish any difficut game

 

[uppercut]

Sachin played Wasim Waqar Saqlain Shoaib Mcgrath Ambrose Donald, in later years he played Steyn, one of the best battles in tests Sachin Vs steyn.

Who has Babar scored against at that SR?

You missed Warne, Donald, Polly, Ambrose, Walsh, Bishop, Murli, Swann .... and Iam pretty Sure this is still incomplete.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I genuinely believed Babar Azam to be the second coming of Sachi man 5 years ago but I have to say he’s disappointed me by his paendoopana. Ag a time he needed to elevate his game, he remained the same allowing teams to figure him out to a point every team is now happy to give away a century to him in 120 balls so that Pakistan ends up losing.

 

[mominsaigol]

I genuinely believed Babar Azam to be the second coming of Sachi man 5 years ago but I have to say he’s disappointed me by his paendoopana. Ag a time he needed to elevate his game, he remained the same allowing teams to figure him out to a point every team is now happy to give away a century to him in 120 balls so that Pakistan ends up losing.

I genuinely believed Babar Azam to be the second coming of Sachi man 5 years ago

 

[Bhaijaan]

I genuinely believed Babar Azam to be the second coming of Sachi man 5 years ago

This is when he gave to back to Steyngun in Southern Afrikaan. At that age, playing like that with the right technique , he seemed like the legitimate heir to Sachin.

He scored a test century in Australia and everything seemed to fall in place once.

But while others elevated their game , he remained the same, rather regressed a bit.

 

[mominsaigol]

This is when he gave to back to Steyngun in Southern Afrikaan. At that age, playing like that with the right technique , he seemed like the legitimate heir to Sachin.

He scored a test century in Australia and everything seemed to fall in place once.

But while others elevated their game , he remained the same, rather regressed a bit.

Brother, Why on earth would the heir to Sachin Tendulkar cone from Pakistan .

If an heir ever does come who's unmatched as an opener in odi like Sachin was it'll either be from Australia, England and India.

Maybe just maybe SA and NZ? But I wouldn't count on it

 

[Bhaijaan]

Brother, Why on earth would the heir to Sachin Tendulkar cone from Pakistan .

If an heir ever does come who's unmatched as an opener in odi like Sachin was it'll either be from Australia, England and India.

Maybe just maybe SA and NZ? But I wouldn't count on it

Sachin’s heir could come from anywhere in the world. It’s not about nationality but about someone who can take his god given gifts in the right direction with honest hard work.

 

[Technics 1210]

Babar Azam is not a tax evader, never commited purjery and he definitely ain't a bottler in front of the cameras unlike Tendulkar always was.

Cricket isn't about stats, it's about personalities, and Tendulkar has zilch.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sachin’s heir could come from anywhere in the world. It’s not about nationality but about someone who can take his god given gifts in the right direction with honest hard work.

Sachins actual heir is bowling left arm medium.

Even his legit heir didn't want to be like Sachin why would anyone else?

 

[dravidthewall]

I genuinely believed Babar Azam to be the second coming of Sachi man 5 years ago but I have to say he’s disappointed me by his paendoopana. Ag a time he needed to elevate his game, he remained the same allowing teams to figure him out to a point every team is now happy to give away a century to him in 120 balls so that Pakistan ends up losing.

Captancy destroyed him.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Babar is not Sachin by any means. His form has taken a nose dive and he is not able to lift the plane so far. I hope he does but not looking like it atm.

Babar needs rest I guess,

 

[Bhaijaan]

Captancy destroyed him.

I think Babar isn’t a mature man. He needs a senior brother like figure in the team to push him to give his best. But it’s just his bad luck that after Frazzy there was no senior in the team.

 

[uppercut]

Babar Azam is not a tax evader,

true. no money = no tax = nothing to evade = problem solved

 

[Bhaijaan]

true. no money = no tax = nothing to evade = problem solved

He has a lots of money.

Please don’t feed trolls.
No matter what , Babar Azam is an extremely likeable guy as an opposition fan for being a gentleman , doesn’t show off as a muslim, shows utter respect to seniors and fans.

Let’s not say bad things about good guy for the sake

 

[Bhaijaan]

Once again it’s down to Babar Azam’s shoulders to protect Pakistan cricket team’s Aan Baan & Shaan.

This could be the most heroic inning he’s ever played till this point.

 

[Bhaijaan]

He’s hanging in there like a rock. The technique is rock solid.

 

[Jatlahoria]

Babar’s consistency and carrying a weak Pakistan team for many years with individual performances was the similarity I saw before with Tendulkar. But now Babar has lost his consistency and will likely end up having a different legacy

 

[Bhaijaan]

You asked for Big Bobby to step up and he did.

What a knock!

 

[Ab Fan]

He is Ajinkya Rahane level cricketer minus the fielder Rahane is.

 

[Kianig89]

Babar is not even half of what Sachin was

Still by Pakistan standards he is a world class batsman,

 

[Fanboy375]

Javed Miandad in test and Saeed Anwar in odi are Tendulkar of Pakistan

 

[Cricket Warrior]

does sachin knows about this incident?

 

[Fanboy375]

Case for it:
1. Came through the ranks very young with great technique, temperament and hard work.
2. Run accumulator; breaking all previous records
3. Poor captain
4. Poor communicator
5. Loves milestones

Case against it:
1. Tendulkar could play a blinder early on in his career which Babar rarely does
2. Tendulkar gave away captaincy easily
3. Tendulkar did not appear to do yaari dosti team; was more consumed with his own game
4. Tendulkar could bowl well at times
5. Tendulkar was more agile fielder

Babar is Sachin lite (only in his dream)

 

[emranabbas]

Babar is not even half of what Sachin was

Still by Pakistan standards he is a world class batsman,

Do you understand the meaning of world class?

 

[gazza619]

King has not yet peaked to be considered a great. Hopefully 2025 is the year!!!

 

[topspin]

For some he's an inferior Tendulkar but the truth is he's just a superior Asad Shafiq.

 

[topspin]

King has not yet peaked to be considered a great. Hopefully 2025 is the year!!!

Didn't you once say, you have to add 4 years for every Pakistani cricketer to get the right age. So by this logic, he's 34. Are you saying that he's going to peak in his mid or late 30s?

 

[gazza619]

Didn't you once say, you have to add 4 years for every Pakistani cricketer to get the right age. So by this logic, he's 34. Are you saying that he's going to peak in his mid or late 30s?

Age is something that doesn’t matter.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Would take Bobby over any day.

 

[Kianig89]

No will you explain the meaning please

Do you understand the meaning of world class?

 

[chinaman00]

Babar Azam is the Umer Akmal of Pakistan. A slightly improved and better marketed version though.

 

[topspin]

Age is something that doesn’t matter.

Sounds like a symptom of Misbah-ism

@Rana @emranabbas - think we've got another one

 

[Rana]

Sounds like a symptom of Misbah-ism

@Rana @emranabbas - think we've got another one

“Age doesn’t matter if you like the player”

 

[emranabbas]

No will you explain the meaning please

Yes ofcourse

Something which babar azam isn't

 

[Rana]

Babar Azam is the Umer Akmal of Pakistan. A slightly improved and better marketed version though.

Please don’t disrespect Umar Akmal like this. Guy played with balls.

Babar never played with a stomach for a fight!

 

[Rana]

King has not yet peaked to be considered a great. Hopefully 2025 is the year!!!

King keeps losing every time he plays.

Pakistan have lost every Test match he has played in since God knows when.

 

[daytrader]

Please don’t disrespect Umar Akmal like this. Guy played with balls.

Babar never played with a stomach for a fight!

If he had played with brains instead he'd still be in contention. Please don't compare Babar Sher to a waste man

 

[Rana]

If he had played with brains instead he'd still be in contention. Please don't compare Babar Sher to a waste man

What application of brains does Babar apply in the consistent losses Pakistan suffers with his presence?

Babar was telling Fakhar to slow down when Fakhar was dead set to chase 400 all on his own against NZ in the World Cup, knowing that the rest of the trash were incapable.

 

[pillionrider]

As if he can cash In lol.

Difference between sachin and babar.

- Sachin trained everyday and kept fitness for 40 years, heck he's retired and still kept fit, Babar already looks like he's a 39 year old dad bod uncle.

- Sachin actually worked hard and adapted. When he made his debut at 16, he was terrible in his initial games because he wasnt use to 140-150kph pacers as a 16 year old. However he took advantage of test cricket and took his time and ultimately adapted. And over came his short comings.

Babar on the other hand to this date hasn't fixed his short comings. In the world cup he got out playing the same shot 2x, he still sucks against spin and he consistently makes excuses such as I'm a t20 anchorer meaning he has no will or desire to develop a 5th gear.

He won't improve because he views himself as a complete product whereas even if you asked a 40 year old Sachin at the end of retirement, he'd tell you that he can still improve and isn't a finished product despite already being the God of cricket.

Basically what you're trying to say is - Babar is as naturally gifted as Sachin. If only he'd worked harder and was more committed, he'd have the world at his feet. This is the kind of argument fans of his cousin used to throw out.

I like Babar. Always have.

But there is a reason you don't see 16-year-olds in international cricket (and I'm not even going to entertain those fake 14 and 15-year-olds Pakistan and IK in desperation tried to pull out to compete with Sachin). Playing international cricket at 16 is not something to be discounted. Those extra 1 or 2 years of growth makes a huge difference. I keep seeing here from time to time people saying - Oh Sachin debuted early and played long, that's why he was able to score so much. Like it's not the fantasy of every young cricketer to break into the national team, or every ageing cricketer to try and push for 1 more year in cricket

 

[mominsaigol]

Basically what you're trying to say is - Babar is as naturally gifted as Sachin. If only he'd worked harder and was more committed, he'd have the world at his feet. This is the kind of argument fans of his cousin used to throw out.

I like Babar. Always have.

But there is a reason you don't see 16-year-olds in international cricket (and I'm not even going to entertain those fake 14 and 15-year-olds Pakistan and IK in desperation tried to pull out to compete with Sachin). Playing international cricket at 16 is not something to be discounted. Those extra 1 or 2 years of growth makes a huge difference. I keep seeing here from time to time people saying - Oh Sachin debuted early and played long, that's why he was able to score so much. Like it's not the fantasy of every young cricketer to break into the national team, or every ageing cricketer to try and push for 1 more year in cricket

Basically what you're trying to say is - Babar is as naturally gifted as Sachin. If only he'd worked harder and was more committed, he'd have the world at his feet. This is the kind of argument fans of his cousin used to throw out.

Didn't claim that at all, infact i despise Babar way way more then you. Odi is the only format I can somewhat tolerate him on. No clue where you're getting this from but I'm assuming you want to pick an argument for the sake of picking one. No biggie. It's nothing new. Fabricating and strawmanning arguments from your end was bound to come eventually once you reached the desperation stage.

Only a few months till you reach the acceptance stage. It's already planned and executed

 

[pillionrider]

Didn't claim that at all, infact i despise Babar way way more then you.

I don't dislike, forget despise Babar. I just never thought he was destined for the type of greatness many Pakistanis were trying to push on him. Pretty sure I have posts here going back 4-5 years trying to tell Babar fans to reduce their expectations because they were going to end up hating him when he didn't deliver.