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It's not about the historical legacy but considering the recent rise of Odi Side and their exciting youngsters coming up, the Bangladesh side looks the best team from Asia only after India.

They are no more a pushover and their rise has coincided with the decline of Both Pakistan as well as SL.

Opinions?
 
Not yet. If they don't do worse than Pakistan and Sri Lanka in CT, then sure. But not as of yet.
 
Apart from Mustafiz none of the youngsters are contributing the current winning. This team heavily depends on Mashrafee as a superb captain plus good bowler, Tamim as mr. consistent, Mushfiq as good batter, Smart all rounder Sakib and finisher Mahmudullah.
 
Looks to be a tight team to be honest.. they just have to prove themselves.. and I think the time has come

Can't get a better stage than the CT to shut up non believers
 
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On paper head to head playerwise, Bangladesh is slightly strong.

Soumya Shahzad
Tamim Azhar Ali
Sabbir Babar
Shakib Hafeez
Mahmdullah Haris
Mushfiq Sarfaraz
Nasir Malik
Mosaddek Shadab
Mashrafe Hassan Ali
Mustafizur Amir
Taskin Wahab
 
this CT will let us know about this
 
Apart from Mustafiz none of the youngsters are contributing the current winning. This team heavily depends on Mashrafee as a superb captain plus good bowler, Tamim as mr. consistent, Mushfiq as good batter, Smart all rounder Sakib and finisher Mahmudullah.

Look at their openers, Soumya and Tamim both in good form

While Pakistan has Shahzad and Azhar.

Only Babar is the decent player in Pakistan side.

Shakib is a better All Rounder than Hafeez, Malik and Imad.
 
Batting:
Tamim > Azhar
Soumya > Shehzad
Shabbir < Babar
Mahmudullah > Malik
Mushfiqur > Sarfaraz
Shakib > Imad
Mosaddek > Hafeez

Bowling:
Mustafiz > Amir
Mashrafe > Hasan Ali
Rubel > Junaid
Taskin > Wahab
Shakib > Shadab
Sanjamul < Imad
Mosaddek/Mahmudullah > Malik/Hafeez

It's not even close
 
this CT will let us know about this

Not yet. If they don't do worse than Pakistan and Sri Lanka in CT, then sure. But not as of yet.

No.CT is not the criteria to judge whether Bangladesh is better than Srilanka and Pakistan.Only the bilateral series between these countries is the criteria.Bangladesh did whitewash Pakistan in Bangladesh and i believe Bangladesh will win the ODI series in UAE also against Pakistan if Bangladesh is invited there.Bangladesh drew series in Srilanka and they have enough firepower to beat Srilanka in Bangladesh.On paper also, Bangladeshi ODI team look stronger than Srilanka and Pakistan.
 
No.CT is not the criteria to judge whether Bangladesh is better than Srilanka and Pakistan.Only the bilateral series between these countries is the criteria.Bangladesh did whitewash Pakistan in Bangladesh and i believe Bangladesh will win the ODI series in UAE also against Pakistan if Bangladesh is invited there.Bangladesh drew series in Srilanka and they have enough firepower to beat Srilanka in Bangladesh.On paper also, Bangladeshi ODI team look stronger than Srilanka and Pakistan.

Whatever floats your boat. But for the world, a tournament should be the criteria to judge whether a specific team is better (or worse) than another.
 
It's not about the historical legacy but considering the recent rise of Odi Side and their exciting youngsters coming up, the Bangladesh side looks the best team from Asia only after India.

They are no more a pushover and their rise has coincided with the decline of Both Pakistan as well as SL.

Opinions?

Bangladesh is 2nd best ODI side in Asia after India now, no doubt.Recent bilateral series,ICC rankings all are in favor.I hope Bangladesh just dont be complacent now, rather aim and try harder for more improvement.
 
This year's CT groups have to be the most unfair ever. You have two minnows (especially in these conditions) in the same group - one team got hammered by Scotland while the other set the world record for most runs conceded in ODI history the last time they were in England. And then you have three title contenders in the other group. What a joke!

Pakistan will probably beat Sri Lanka and their fans will claim to have a better tournament than Bangladesh. :))
 
Batting:
Tamim > Azhar
Soumya > Shehzad
Shabbir < Babar
Mahmudullah > Malik
Mushfiqur > Sarfaraz
Shakib > Imad
Mosaddek > Hafeez

Bowling:
Mustafiz > Amir
Mashrafe > Hasan Ali
Rubel > Junaid
Taskin > Wahab
Shakib > Shadab
Sanjamul < Imad
Mosaddek/Mahmudullah > Malik/Hafeez

It's not even close
Mashrafe better than Hasan Ali? Still playing Don Bradman Cricket are we?

On topic, not even close. Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are all crap. All three will have a miserable CT campaign. Remains to be seen which one does the worse.

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Mashrafe better than Hasan Ali? Still playing Don Bradman Cricket are we?

On topic, not even close. Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are all crap. All three will have a miserable CT campaign. Remains to be seen which one does the worse.

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And Mahmudullah ahead of Malik who averages 50+ at a SR around 100 since his comeback.

Best to leave the deluded alone.
 
This year's CT groups have to be the most unfair ever. You have two minnows (especially in these conditions) in the same group - one team got hammered by Scotland while the other set the world record for most runs conceded in ODI history the last time they were in England. And then you have three title contenders in the other group. What a joke!

Pakistan will probably beat Sri Lanka and their fans will claim to have a better tournament than Bangladesh. :))

lol already excuses started the thing is atleast pak is invited unlike ban who are yet to be invited in england

or aus from last 15 years(if i am right) oh so sad they are not consider as a good side by england or

aus.still don,t lose hope in 2030 ban will be invited by aus or eng

but but england and nz are bangladesh bunny what happen to that logic already defeated mind
 
Nobody gives a Damm to a international t20 matche unless its a world cup match. #fact

ok what about test ranking why are the mighty force are so far behind the medicore westindies side

the west indies side which are performing worse from last 15 years
 
ok what about test ranking why are the mighty force are so far behind the medicore westindies side

the west indies side which are performing worse from last 15 years

Give them time and they will improve. They have already improved a lot.


Building a strong culture of test cricket and grooming players to perform well for five days takes time. 15 years is certainly not a very long time. Lots of other well established cricket teams have performed worse than bangladesh in their first couple of decades in test cricket.
 
Use a bit of common sense buddy. Which teams do u believe have the possibility of winning the CT in England.

England, Australia, New Zealand

Or

Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka

where did i say pak will win or any other asian country

if you claim your team as a best than no excuse to not play the semis atleast or whining about group

who strong that group is
 
Give them time and they will improve. They have already improved a lot.


Building a strong culture of test cricket and grooming players to perform well for five days takes time. 15 years is certainly not a very long time. Lots of other well established cricket teams have performed worse than bangladesh in their first couple of decades in test cricket.

wh0 much team more needed enough of this excuse

the reality is afghanistan would have been in top 6 if they were given that much opportunity and you

will seen when new model is proposed for test format by icc
 
where did i say pak will win or any other asian country

if you claim your team as a best than no excuse to not play the semis atleast or whining about group

who strong that group is

I'm not accusing u of claiming that. What I'm saying is Bangladesh will have to play against 3 teams in the upcoming CT which probably have the most possibility of winning the title.

It won't be a surprise if they lose all the matches.
 
wh0 much team more needed enough of this excuse

the reality is afghanistan would have been in top 6 if they were given that much opportunity and you

will seen when new model is proposed for test format by icc

Again, context is really really important here. First of all, Bangladesh started playing test cricket when all the other teams were well established in this form of cricket.


U can't possibly expect a 1st grade student to compete with a 10th grade student, right? Secondly, to do well in tests u have to play it regularly. Bangladesh hardly gets any chance of playing this form of cricket.


Ur point about Afghanistan is vague. It can be similarly claimed that if Afghanistan had started playing their cricket during 50s and got as much opportunity as Pakistan they would've done much much better than them. Then again, it's an assumption and certainly has no evidence what so ever.
 
They are even better than India. Heck they are better than England and Australia too.

THE RISE OF TIGERS!!! :sk:kohli2:srt:junaid
 
They have much much talent than current Pakistani team. Current trend suggests talent word is outdated on PP and new buzz word is cieling . So they have much much much higher ceiling than Pakistan players..
 
there top 3 bat are far superior then of pakistan.. but middle and lower order pakistan take the advantage thr.. bowling wise they are weaker then pakistan... sri lanka is too new a side to compare except for few players..
 
Bangladesh need to win 1 major trophy and they will have this belief in themselves.

They are better than Pakistan(a minnow side) and SL.
 
Without being biased- definitely.

We have a better bowling unit and a batting unit.

Our batting is quite good with explosive batsman. No one is a grinder.

Btw champions trophy won't judge anything. Bangladesh is grouped with the 3 favorites of the Champions trophy. Pakistan are with South Africa. Lanka is struggling and India has some injury and form worries.
 
Bangladesh doesn't have any power hitters. All of their batters struggle to muscle the ball during the back end of the innings.

They need players like russell, yuvi or Dhoni who can hit sixes at will.
 
Batting:
Tamim > Azhar
Soumya > Shehzad
Shabbir < Babar
Mahmudullah > Malik
Mushfiqur > Sarfaraz
Shakib > Imad
Mosaddek > Hafeez

Bowling:
Mustafiz > Amir
Mashrafe > Hasan Ali
Rubel > Junaid
Taskin > Wahab
Shakib > Shadab
Sanjamul < Imad
Mosaddek/Mahmudullah > Malik/Hafeez

It's not even close

I stopped reading after Mahmudullah> Malik. Lolzzz
My brother give us some stats to prove your point. Malik has played in every league around the world but cant say the same about Mahmudullah.
Even Mahmudullah wont agree with you on this, trust me. Mosadik> Haffeez is also a joke, Mosadik hasnt played that much amount of matches as of yet.
While Mustafizur has said the Amir is his idol and even with the current sample size you cant compare both.
Mashrafe has played 175 matches and has got just one 5 wicket haul while Hassan Ali in his 16 has already got 2.
Guys please be realistic, yes Pakistan team has struggled over the last couple of years in ODI but that doesnt mean you start saying that Bangladesh is better than Pakistan. Yes Bangladesh is above in the rankings of ODI but rankings keep on changing series to series.
Further there are currently three formats in international cricket. Being arguably good in one doesnt mean one is the best team or so.
I like Bangladesh team and its players, love the way they are improving but still there is a long road ahead. Its the time to keep the heads down and remain working hard.
 
This year's CT groups have to be the most unfair ever. You have two minnows (especially in these conditions) in the same group - one team got hammered by Scotland while the other set the world record for most runs conceded in ODI history the last time they were in England. And then you have three title contenders in the other group. What a joke!

Pakistan will probably beat Sri Lanka and their fans will claim to have a better tournament than Bangladesh. :))

Already crying :sree :sree :sree :sree :sree
 
They're up there for sure. Don't care about rankings but the very fact that Bangladesh has reached the level that you can expect them to beat anyone anywhere sounds very promising and is a landmark achievement for Bangladesh.
 
No. Just no. Ban will choke like they did in T20 WC where Ban fans also stated they're a better side but got hammered. The mentality shown by some Ban fans here suggesting a bilateral series is more important than a WC is outstanding :)))

Ban have better openers, Shakib, Fizz and nothing more. Of course this thread was made after beating a have cooked NZ side but that's nothing to get excited about since the tournament starts at June 1st.

If you really wanna compare series than indeed Pak got whitewashed when we were at our lowest in ODIs, but we still managed to beat SL in SL in that ODIs series while Ban managed just a draw. This ODI team would beat Ban in Ban, in UAE and in Eng.

Just because the Ban side is probably the greatest ODI side ever for you guys doesn't mean it's better than a mediocre Pak side :afridi
 
We are playing Pakistan in the practice, watch how Soumya scores a double ton against Amir + Wahab & friends
 
We are playing Pakistan in the practice, watch how Soumya scores a double ton against Amir + Wahab & friends

Optimism is good to have but there is a fine line between optimism and delusion.
 
Optimism is good to have but there is a fine line between optimism and delusion.

Hey man I think Pakistan's attack is the most overrated attack at the moment, there's no Wasim Akhtar type bowler, No Saqi type bowler. Before team used to prepare themselves to face these legends, now even Darren Sammy can close his eyes and score a ton against Wahab & co
 
Apart from Mustafiz none of the youngsters are contributing the current winning. This team heavily depends on Mashrafee as a superb captain plus good bowler, Tamim as mr. consistent, Mushfiq as good batter, Smart all rounder Sakib and finisher Mahmudullah.

You may forget Somya,miraz(test),Taskin, Sabbir's name!!!
 
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Hey man I think Pakistan's attack is the most overrated attack at the moment, there's no Wasim Akhtar type bowler, No Saqi type bowler. Before team used to prepare themselves to face these legends, now even Darren Sammy can close his eyes and score a ton against Wahab & co

That's funny because Wahab doesn't even find a space in the eleven anymore.

Amir
Hasan
Junaid
Imad
Shadab
Hafeez/Malik

That is one of the best and most diversified bowling attack in world cricket today. We lose matches because of our dull batting and not bowling.
 
That's funny because Wahab doesn't even find a space in the eleven anymore.

Amir
Hasan
Junaid
Imad
Shadab
Hafeez/Malik

That is one of the best and most diversified bowling attack in world cricket today. We lose matches because of our dull batting and not bowling.

These names don't bring a fear even in the Singapore dressing room, Starc oh boy I am scared :odoyo
 
Is the practice match between BD and PAK being broadcasted live? does anyone know?
 
Looks like Bangalis have a habit of celebrating and jumping around before winning anything. Let the tournament start and you'll have your answer.
 
No. Just no. Ban will choke like they did in T20 WC where Ban fans also stated they're a better side but got hammered. The mentality shown by some Ban fans here suggesting a bilateral series is more important than a WC is outstanding :)))

Ban have better openers, Shakib, Fizz and nothing more. Of course this thread was made after beating a have cooked NZ side but that's nothing to get excited about since the tournament starts at June 1st.

If you really wanna compare series than indeed Pak got whitewashed when we were at our lowest in ODIs, but we still managed to beat SL in SL in that ODIs series while Ban managed just a draw. This ODI team would beat Ban in Ban, in UAE and in Eng.

Just because the Ban side is probably the greatest ODI side ever for you guys doesn't mean it's better than a mediocre Pak side :afridi

After all that Bangladesh ranks no. 6 and Pakistan ranks no. 8 which definitely tells you Bangladesh has improved and performed better.

Also Bangladesh did whitewash Pakistan in Bangladesh. But Babar didn't play for Pakistan one may argue but neither did Fizz.
 
Looks like Bangalis have a habit of celebrating and jumping around before winning anything. Let the tournament start and you'll have your answer.

This is not a CT thread buddy. OP is asking whether Bangladesh is currently the 2nd best odi team from Asia or not.

And answer of that question is YES and everyone who follows cricket knows that. Bangladesh has become no 6 odi team in the world. It's indeed a great moment for Bangladeshi fans to celebrate.
 
I think Bangladesh will easily beat srilanka and Pakistan in Odis. They r a far superior odi side.
 
This is not a CT thread buddy. OP is asking whether Bangladesh is currently the 2nd best odi team from Asia or not.

And answer of that question is YES and everyone who follows cricket knows that. Bangladesh has become no 6 odi team in the world. It's indeed a great moment for Bangladeshi fans to celebrate.

lol, Pakistan also became the world no.1 test team recently..and it doesn't mean anything. Bangladesh recent form has been good...but lets see how they do when competing on a bigger stage.
 
Bangla boys can't handle major tournaments and we d get to know after CT soon.
 
lol, Pakistan also became the world no.1 test team recently..and it doesn't mean anything. Bangladesh recent form has been good...but lets see how they do when competing on a bigger stage.

And nobody denies the fact that Pakistan is a good test team, especially at home. If I'm not wrong, that was the first time Pakistan became the no 1 test team in the world. Even though it was for a brief period I believe it ment a lot to the Pakistani fans.
 
A few years back, this might have been a funny question to ask...but today, given the poor form SL is in and Pak's inconsistency and tendency to implode, I would say that yes, Bang are the 2nd most strongest asian side after india in Limited overs cricket today. They have a very good mix of experience and youth; and they have quite a few match winners in the team.
 
That's funny because Wahab doesn't even find a space in the eleven anymore.

Amir
Hasan
Junaid
Imad
Shadab
Hafeez/Malik

That is one of the best and most diversified bowling attack in world cricket today. We lose matches because of our dull batting and not bowling.

I would still rate an attack of

Mustafiz
Taskin
Rubel
Mashrafee
Shakib
Miraz

as a couple of notches higher than Pakistan's in ODIs.
 
Without being biased- definitely.

We have a better bowling unit and a batting unit.

Our batting is quite good with explosive batsman. No one is a grinder.

Btw champions trophy won't judge anything. Bangladesh is grouped with the 3 favorites of the Champions trophy. Pakistan are with South Africa. Lanka is struggling and India has some injury and form worries.
I think Bangladesh will struggle to NOT get smashed by every team in that group. They got thrashed like minnows the last time they played in an ICC Tournament aswell, after all the chest-beating.

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I think Bangladesh will struggle to NOT get smashed by every team in that group. They got thrashed like minnows the last time they played in an ICC Tournament aswell, after all the chest-beating.

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according to some they are in tough tough group excuses already started
 
I think Bangladesh will struggle to NOT get smashed by every team in that group. They got thrashed like minnows the last time they played in an ICC Tournament aswell, after all the chest-beating.

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Got it.hatred prevails only ,no sensual words
 
Not yet. If they don't do worse than Pakistan and Sri Lanka in CT, then sure. But not as of yet.

Considering the group BD is placed in, high chance for BD to do worst than both PAK/SL. If either SL/PAK was replaced with BD in the other group, no one would be surprised with no win against AUS/ENG/NZ.
 
Got it.hatred prevails only ,no sensual words
I would like you to present some facts which prove that statement wrong. And dont come back with a ranking that you achieved by beating three teams at home when Shadab Khan and Hassan Ali were in their diapers.

The last time Bangladesh played an ICC tournament, they got man-handled by three teams in the group and broken psychologically by one.

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Reckon they have done enough to be considered as such
 
I would like you to present some facts which prove that statement wrong. And dont come back with a ranking that you achieved by beating three teams at home when Shadab Khan and Hassan Ali were in their diapers.

The last time Bangladesh played an ICC tournament, they got man-handled by three teams in the group and broken psychologically by one.

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And Pakistan got manhandled by other 3 teams as well barring Bangladesh.

Why do people keep talking about the World T20.

What about world cup in Australia where we were in tougher group still managed to qualify to the quarters. We went as far as Lanka and Pakistan. Now this is ODIs we are talking about

As for T20s we will also improve in that. We have improved in tests and won against Lanka and England lately.

It's only Pakistan cricket fans who claim that Pakistan are much superior than Bangladesh but neutral fans have a different point of view.
 
Last CT Pakistan lost all 3 of their matches and quite convincingly if I am not wrong. Back then Pakistan was a better side. Ranked in the top 6/7.

It would be unfair if you expect Bangladesh to beat the likes of Australia/England/NZ in English conditions when we hardly play abroad. Now I would like to share some statistics and that is 3-10. Yes in the last 13 matches against the same teams Pakistan has won only 3 of them. And Pakistan has adequate experience of playing abroad whereas Bangladesh seldom does so.

Lanka too plays a lot abroad and have still struggled.
 
ok what about test ranking why are the mighty force are so far behind the medicore westindies side

the west indies side which are performing worse from last 15 years

ranking says afghanistan is better t20 side than bangladesh :maqsood

see you after CT

Sorry you have dialed a wrong no.This thread title clearly specifies the domain-i.e ODI. Some irrelevant comments.
 
Without being biased- definitely.

We have a better bowling unit and a batting unit.

Our batting is quite good with explosive batsman. No one is a grinder.

Btw champions trophy won't judge anything. Bangladesh is grouped with the 3 favorites of the Champions trophy. Pakistan are with South Africa. Lanka is struggling and India has some injury and form worries.

Who is third favorite? 🤔

AUS/ENG are favorites, SA are choker, no matter how good they are, will choke when chips are down...Asian teams have no power in them to compete with AUS/ENG, only chance they have is if conditions are tough like last time than lesser teams can win (at the back of collapses)...

NZ is not that strong, they can only perform in small grounds of NZ...

BD has improved a lot, and we regressed a lot, so yeah we are even worse then BD ATM, that's how bad we are 👺👺👺

Let's see if we can perform tomorrow in warm up, because we are dud against big boys 😴😴
 
That's funny because Wahab doesn't even find a space in the eleven anymore.

Amir
Hasan
Junaid
Imad
Shadab
Hafeez/Malik

That is one of the best and most diversified bowling attack in world cricket today. We lose matches because of our dull batting and not bowling.

LOL. This attack was belted around for 444 by England.
 
After all that Bangladesh ranks no. 6 and Pakistan ranks no. 8 which definitely tells you Bangladesh has improved and performed better.

Also Bangladesh did whitewash Pakistan in Bangladesh. But Babar didn't play for Pakistan one may argue but neither did Fizz.

Pak were rebuilding. I feel that after 2015 WC we've regressed but ever since Sarf has been captain we've slowly been better.
 
This Pakistan team may not be much fancied, but on a given day i would back Pakistan to beat top teams like SA, Aus and Eng more than Bangladesh. that does not mean Bangladesh is a bad team. But against top teams they tend to falter whereas Pakistan still has enough fire power to compete and win occasionally. Bangladesh will learn to perform against top sides eventually as they have a very good young side which should be peaking in couple of years. I expect them to make it to Quarter/Semi finals in 2019.
 
Pak were rebuilding. I feel that after 2015 WC we've regressed but ever since Sarf has been captain we've slowly been better.

That I definitely agree. Pakistan are a better batting side now.

Bangladesh too have improved in the same period.
 
I don't like Bangladesh Fans. They pose as if their team is Australia of 2000s and 90s.
 
Whatever floats your boat. But for the world, a tournament should be the criteria to judge whether a specific team is better (or worse) than another.

Then the biggest cricket tournament in the world, World cup cricket 2015 showed the world where Bangladesh lies in ODIs in comparison to Pak and Srilanka :afridi1

In CT Bangladesh is in the toughest group and Pakistan and Srilanka is in another relatively easier group. I dont know how these 3 team can be compared!

The best way to compare is bilateral ODI series where 2 teams meat each other at least 3 or 5 times.
 
I don't like Bangladesh Fans. They pose as if their team is Australia of 2000s and 90s.

What's worse is the limited amount of Aussies we have on this forum still show up when their team isn't doing so well, but these Bangla chest thumpers run for the caves as soon as their team gets put in its place. I clearly remember before 2016 T20 WC the Bangla posters kept harping on and on that Pakistan simply isn't good enough to compete against their team and it would be a walk in the park for BD. We all know what happened next. These chest thumpers were nowhere to be found.
 
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