Is beating New Zealand good or bad ahead of the tour of South Africa?

[YousafTheBeast]

While the team may find success, there’s certain players that don’t contribute to that success. I personally want New Zealand to take the series, only then will we see changes. If we win, all the problems will be brushed under the carpet, and the likes of Shafiq, Imam, Hafeez will continue to disappoint us.

 

[JaDed]

I'm sure players should be judged on individual capabilities than team performance but PCT selectors so you never know.

I want to see Hafeez one last time in SA ,who knows might surprise us if not will defn amuse the neutral fans.

 

[nextover666666]

Winning a series is always a good thing it can carry momentum to the next one but in regards to changes this is PCB even if they lose the series I doubt you would see much changes

 

[Pakhs]

It will be a huge error to open with Hafeez, I will actually get Imam and Azhar to open and bat fakhar at 6.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Inzi/Sarfraz aint going to pick new fresh faces for SA win or lose the series, the usual rubbish of exposing new young players in SA will be given.

Hafeez has experience of SA conditions so we picked him

IMAM did well in england and ireland so he will be ideal for SA conditions

Expect the usual boring driveled lines from inzi in regards to team selections.

 

[ARK Rafay]

I want to see Hafeez one last time in SA ,who knows might surprise us if not will defn amuse the neutral fans.

He'll only play one last time against Saf in his life. As for PCT tour SAF after 4-5 years lol

He should pack his bag as far as test cricket is concerned

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I'm sure players should be judged on individual capabilities than team performance but PCT selectors so you never know.

I want to see Hafeez one last time in SA ,who knows might surprise us if not will defn amuse the neutral fans.

Oh definitely, Hafeez v Steyn will be box office stuff, so I’m looking forward to that.

But will he help us win, no, especially if he opens, which is likely because Fakhar is injured.

And, I don’t recall the last time Pakistan has ever dropped an individual from the playing xi after winning a test match/series.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Winning a series is always a good thing it can carry momentum to the next one but in regards to changes this is PCB even if they lose the series I doubt you would see much changes

Why didn’t we carry the momentum to the tour of Australia after being ranked number 1?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

It will be a huge error to open with Hafeez, I will actually get Imam and Azhar to open and bat fakhar at 6.

Playing a guy who struggles against spin at 6, really?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Inzi/Sarfraz aint going to pick new fresh faces for SA win or lose the series, the usual rubbish of exposing new young players in SA will be given.

Hafeez has experience of SA conditions so we picked him

IMAM did well in england and ireland so he will be ideal for SA conditions

Expect the usual boring driveled lines from inzi in regards to team selections.

It wasn’t a good experience in SA though, was it?

 

[Amjid Javed]

It wasn’t a good experience in SA though, was it?

Inzi doesnt care about failures, just having toured that country previously is enough for selection.

 

[Usman Chadda]

These two tests have been enough to make the team management realize that Hafeez won’t be able to do well in South Africa. Also Shafiq needs a good knock to survive the axe, since this is getting ridiculous now.

 

[Pakhs]

Playing a guy who struggles against spin at 6, really?

I dont think Fakhar struggles against spin at all firstly, secondly its easier to negotiate spin in SA, thirdly SA is likely to play Maharaj who is a left arm spinner so left hand batsmen is good for that, Fourthly It will be some kind of miracle if Fakhar at 6 come in to spin mostly in SA as we all know about Pakistan batting and their struggles against pace bowling.

 

[Kroll]

I'm perplexed to how beating New Zealand would be bad? As a Pakistan supporter, I always want our team to win. Yes, we have leeches like Hafeez, but the team should always come first imo.

 

[Pakhs]

I'm perplexed to how beating New Zealand would be bad? As a Pakistan supporter, I always want our team to win. Yes, we have leeches like Hafeez, but the team should always come first imo.

I think he meant it will tempt selectors to pick UAE specialists aka hafeez for the tour of SA.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I'm perplexed to how beating New Zealand would be bad? As a Pakistan supporter, I always want our team to win. Yes, we have leeches like Hafeez, but the team should always come first imo.

Ok, let’s say I’m feeding a group of people samosay. Now, I know that the keema inside the samosay has gone bad, but the group of people are still eating the samosay, yeah? So bearing in mind that people are still eating the samosay, should I take them to South Africa to give to my relatives even though the keema has gone bad?

Remember, the samosay look good from the outside, but from the inside it’s not all good. But, me knowing that the group of people ate the samosay without any problems, then my relatives in South Africa won’t have any problems with eating the samosay?

 

[Kroll]

I doubt tempt will even come into it, either way, Hafeez is on the plane to SA. He's not going anywhere quietly and when hopefully someone does have the courage to boot him out for good, expect lots of drama and kicking & screaming.

 

[AliMurtaza]

What crap logic. Irrespective of whether Hafeez goes to SA, we will most likely be whitewashed considering their quicks, our batting, and past history. A home test series is a big thing. No way Pak should lose another home series just to get Hafeez off the SA bound test team.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Hafeez and Imam are even struggling against Grandhomme in UAE.

Azhar and Abid should open in SA and Fakhar should play at 6.. If they are not comfortable with Abid then open with Fakhar.

 

[Kroll]

Ok, let’s say I’m feeding a group of people samosay. Now, I know that the keema inside the samosay has gone bad, but the group of people are still eating the samosay, yeah? So bearing in mind that people are still eating the samosay, should I take them to South Africa to give to my relatives even though the keema has gone bad?

Remember, the samosay look good from the outside, but from the inside it’s not all good. But, me knowing that the group of people ate the samosay without any problems, then my relatives in South Africa won’t have any problems with eating the samosay?

Unlike the question in the OP, this scenario only has one outcome, the samosay have gone bad due to rancid keema inside because the purpose will still be to eat them and not just look at them even though they may look good from the outside.

 

[zn426]

Hafeez didn't play a role in the NZ win. No runs, no wickets, just a limited part-timer bowling.
Azhar and Imam should open in SA anyway since they will blunt the new ball. They don't mind surviving, I just don't know if surviving is enough against Steyn and Rabada.

 

[Hawkeye]

One negative is, we won't get rid of Sarfraz anytime soon.

Passenger in the team.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Unlike the question in the OP, this scenario only has one outcome, the samosay have gone bad due to rancid keema inside because the purpose will still be to eat them and not just look at them even though they may look good from the outside.

What I’m trying to say is, people are going to keep eating the samosay even if nothing happens to them, ie salmonella, just like nothing will be done with those batsmen who aren’t performing because we’re winning. So why would i want to put in new keema (new player) if the bad keema has no effect of the outcome, because we’re winning.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

What crap logic. Irrespective of whether Hafeez goes to SA, we will most likely be whitewashed considering their quicks, our batting, and past history. A home test series is a big thing. No way Pak should lose another home series just to get Hafeez off the SA bound test team.

Our bowlers are also capable of demolishing their weak batting line up.

 

[Buffet]

Winning is always good. You don't want too many blessing in disguise matches.

 

[Hasan123]

We need to improve our recent record in the UAE. Winning this series is an important step. All teams are winning home series , we need to do that.

 

[shokz1408]

Lol winning a game is only good for us to regain some confidence. Going to SA after losing the series at our designated home ground to NZ will probably scare the players about what will happen in SA. We're probably going to lose in SA and collapse badly a few times, but any such confidence we can take from this series against a top side will be good for us. Even if we lose the 3rd test, there are unlikely to be significant changes to the team.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think it won't be good.

Pakistan should lose this series and become underdogs(which they still are) for SA series and then shock the world in SA,becoming first Asian team to win test series in SA. The shock should be this big that one of opposition's recently retired player runs and comes back in the squad till the World Cup.

 

[Junaids]

I would have liked Pakistan to have wrapped up a 2-0 victory by now.

And I would have played a 13 man reserve squad in the Third Test in the UAE under Azhar Mahmood, and sent the following 12 players with Mickey Arthur to his hometown East London in South Africa, where they would have practiced against each other at an elite private school for 2 extra weeks.

Early squad to South Africa
Imam-ul-Haq
Fakhar Zaman
Azhar Ali
Asad Shafiq
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Sarfraz Ahmed
Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Ehsan Adil
Mohammad Abbas
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Hasan Ali

Squad for Third Test in UAE
Salman Butt
Mohammad Hafeez
Saad Ali
Umar Akmal
Mohammad Rizwan
Usman Salahuddin
Kamran Akmal
Bilal Asif
Yasir Shah
Mir Hamza
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Asif
Zafar Gohar

 

[Hawkeye]

I would have liked Pakistan to have wrapped up a 2-0 victory by now.

And I would have played a 13 man reserve squad in the Third Test in the UAE under Azhar Mahmood, and sent the following 12 players with Mickey Arthur to his hometown East London in South Africa, where they would have practiced against each other at an elite private school for 2 extra weeks.

Early squad to South Africa
Imam-ul-Haq
Fakhar Zaman
Azhar Ali
Asad Shafiq
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Sarfraz Ahmed
Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Ehsan Adil
Mohammad Abbas
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Hasan Ali

Squad for Third Test in UAE
Salman Butt
Mohammad Hafeez
Saad Ali
Umar Akmal
Mohammad Rizwan
Usman Salahuddin
Kamran Akmal
Bilal Asif
Yasir Shah
Mir Hamza
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Asif
Zafar Gohar

Far too much sense here.

PCB is clueless, just one practice match before the Test match thrashing starts. Lol.

Shameful, really. Minimum 2-3 practice matches needed.

 

[Bahnz]

Of course winning this series would be a good thing. Don't think it's going to make much difference to the series in South Africa either way.

 

[Darkrai]

This right here is a typical Pakistani mentality.

 

[Junaids]

Of course winning this series would be a good thing. Don't think it's going to make much difference to the series in South Africa either way.

Actually no.

The whole planning is a disaster.

Why did the ODI and T20i series v New Zealand happen before the Test series?

(Answer - to save money keeping the white ball specialists who had just played v Australia).

The Tests should be over by now, with white ball Specialists playing the ODI and T20i series v New Zealand in the UAE now, while the Test squad should already be in South Africa.

It doesn’t matter that there is no opposition to play against in South Africa for 4 weeks. Just go to a posh private school, give them $5000 for four weeks use of their facilities, and practise against one another on bouncy, quick wickets! Schools would be competing for the opportunity!

And it’s East London or Kimberley where you’d go.

Instead of US$350 per night for a Dubai hotel it would literally cost US$80 per night for each 3 star room at the best hotel in town!

 

[nextover666666]

Why didn’t we carry the momentum to the tour of Australia after being ranked number 1?

I said if can carry momentum meaning not always the case

 

[Varun]

Sorry to say this, but Pakistan will get smashed in South Africa regardless of what team they pick.

So they might as well win at home vs New Zealand. They already got whitewashed by Lanka of all people in the UAE, so why lose to NZ as well?

 

[AFM]

I would have liked Pakistan to have wrapped up a 2-0 victory by now.

And I would have played a 13 man reserve squad in the Third Test in the UAE under Azhar Mahmood, and sent the following 12 players with Mickey Arthur to his hometown East London in South Africa, where they would have practiced against each other at an elite private school for 2 extra weeks.

Early squad to South Africa
Imam-ul-Haq
Fakhar Zaman
Azhar Ali
Asad Shafiq
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Sarfraz Ahmed
Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Ehsan Adil
Mohammad Abbas
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Hasan Ali

Squad for Third Test in UAE
Salman Butt
Mohammad Hafeez
Saad Ali
Umar Akmal
Mohammad Rizwan
Usman Salahuddin
Kamran Akmal
Bilal Asif
Yasir Shah
Mir Hamza
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Asif
Zafar Gohar

While I don't agree with some of the names on your reserve squad, I think that might have been the original idea. Originally, the squad was announced for only the first 2 Tests. First time I had seen that for UAE selection, and I think it might have been because Mickey was thinking along similar lines.

Unfortunately, it's 1-1 atm.

 

[Bob Marley]

Fakhar at 6 will be not be very useful, a kind of gamble!!

 

[YousafTheBeast]

The result actually had the opposite effect, lol.

Shafiq, Imam remain. Masood (kmn) recalled, Umar Akmal ignored, sadly.

 

[RyanRyan10]

It's a blessing in disguise
Real Pakistan will turn up against South Africa

 

[BreadPakoda]

Does not beating NZ qualify as a BID (blessing in disguise)? If yes, then Steyn, Philander, and Rabada need to pull up their socks.

 

[BreadPakoda]

India gets moral victories, Pakistan gets blessings in disguise, and Bangladesh wins heart, kidney etc.
What brotherhood..lol

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Who knows, we always do well as underdogs.