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Man, what a player he is...

Be it at RM, MU or with his national team, he has always performed when his team has needed him.

The hunger, the commitment with what he plays, is just unbelievable.

How many times more does he need to prove that he is the GOAT!?

"Your love makes me strong, your hate makes me unstoppable."

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If he wins the World Cup the debate will certainly be over between him and Messi.

Ronaldo has won the Euro with Portugal which has already put him a level above Messi. Messi's Argentina has not even managed to win Copa America tho they did make it to the Finals of the World Cup last time around.
 
No. That would be Messi.

But he is a stunning phenomenon. All those idiots who try to run him down because of his attitude or who try to throw up names like Neymar and some embarrassing EPL names have no clue about the gulf between him and the others bar Messi.
 
At international level he is a cut above Messi

Just compare the players he players with compared to Messi

Messi supporting cast includes Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria among others.

Ronaldo plays with West Ham rejects and players from the Portugese and Trkish leagues
 
No, the guy who dragged his team in the last world cup final before his team mates let him down and won
the player of the tournament is The GOAT.

But, Cristiano is one of the best ever for sure
 
At international level he is a cut above Messi

Just compare the players he players with compared to Messi

Messi supporting cast includes Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria among others.

Ronaldo plays with West Ham rejects and players from the Portugese and Trkish leagues

You haven't watched a lot of international football have you :)) especially Portugal with Ronaldo over the years.

That's fine, but you should have at least watched the Euros before deciding to run your expert mouth off a couple years later.
 
I don’t think he is the GOAT.But he is at par with Messi and they are far,far superior than the Neymar’s,Salah’s and Suarez’s of the world.They are at a different plane.They command all the attention and respect on the field.Messi and Ronaldo are two of the greatest footballers of all time,and we are blessed to have them both playing at the same time.

Messi and Ronaldo are as different as can be.Messi is pure magic,pure skill.You watch him and you are always in awe.

Ronaldo of recent years has the killer instinct,the sheer consistency of goal scoring.And interspered are the occasional bursts of magic,like that freekick yesterday,or that goal against Juventus.Ronaldo was full of tricks until 3/4 years ago,but age is catching up with him and he’s outraced it so far.Ronaldo also has the advantage of being a better leader than Messi.

So,in summary,beither of them are the GOAT.
 
Messi is GOAT.

A complete player with amazing vision, dribbling, and goal-scoring ability. Ronaldo is a small tier below for me.

Messi averages 0.81 goals per game and 0.33 assists per game.

Ronaldo averages 0.72 goals per game and 0.22 assists per game.
 
On another planet when compared to Messi he is just so much better unlike that big bottler. The essence of football is to score goals and to do it in crunch situations and big games is phenomenal, Messi is like an Umar Akmal who looks great but with a nice little padded up record.
 
Messi is GOAT.

A complete player with amazing vision, dribbling, and goal-scoring ability. Ronaldo is a small tier below for me.

Messi averages 0.81 goals per game and 0.33 assists per game.

Ronaldo averages 0.72 goals per game and 0.22 assists per game.

LOL at you quoting stats to base it as end all for your argument. Ronaldo's impact is beyond what Messi's impact is.
 
LOL at you quoting stats to base it as end all for your argument. Ronaldo's impact is beyond what Messi's impact is.

Since his arrival in Spain in 2009, Ronaldo has won only two league titles. Some impact he has had.
 
At international level he is a cut above Messi

Just compare the players he players with compared to Messi

Messi supporting cast includes Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria among others.

Ronaldo plays with West Ham rejects and players from the Portugese and Trkish leagues

It is obviously a misinformed opinion, but even if we ignore it, the fact is that Ronaldo had literally zero contribution in the Euro 2016 Final.

If Eder wouldn’t have scored that fluke goal, Ronaldo wouldn’t have had a trophy for Portugal.

On the contrary, had Higuain put away the various chances that he missed in various finals, Messi would have had at least two trophies for Argentina.

Ronaldo hasn’t come anywhere close to replicating Messi’s individual performances at the international level.

Messi won the Golden Ball in the 2014 World Cup, while Ronaldo hasn’t come anywhere close to producing anything like that at World Cups so far.

However, he does have a great chance this time and if he can produce another performance like yesterday, he will be hot favorite for the Golden Ball/Golden Boot.
 
Since his arrival in Spain in 2009, Ronaldo has won only two league titles. Some impact he has had.

And how many Champions league titles? Let's just conveniently ignore the biggest prize in club football. :))
 
Since his arrival in Spain in 2009, Ronaldo has won only two league titles. Some impact he has had.

Champions league every year and winning his national team silverware. Something alien to Messi. Shooting blunts nowadays. :ronaldo
 
Messi is the greatest player of all time and it is not debatable. The world has never seen a player like him and probably never will - an all-time great striker, second striker/false 9, winger and playmaker rolled into one.

Players like Maradona, Pele and George Best run him close in terms of individual skill, but he blows everyone away with his consistency and ability to deliver game after game after game.

He doesn’t need a World Cup trophy to validate his greatness. There is a reason why every manager in the world (who hasn’t managed Ronaldo and hence is unbiased) rates him as the greatest footballer to walk the planet.

There are only three groups who rate Ronaldo better - Man United fans, Real Madrid fans and people who don’t understand football.

Everyone else is aware of Messi’s genius and how good he is. He has changed football and what it means to be a forward. It has been a privilege watching him over the years, this is a truly blessed generation. Undoubtedly a once in a lifetime player.
 
Messi is the greatest player of all time and it is not debatable. The world has never seen a player like him and probably never will - an all-time great striker, second striker/false 9, winger and playmaker rolled into one.

Players like Maradona, Pele and George Best run him close in terms of individual skill, but he blows everyone away with his consistency and ability to deliver game after game after game.

He doesn’t need a World Cup trophy to validate his greatness. There is a reason why every manager in the world (who hasn’t managed Ronaldo and hence is unbiased) rates him as the greatest footballer to walk the planet.

There are only three groups who rate Ronaldo better - Man United fans, Real Madrid fans and people who don’t understand football.

Everyone else is aware of Messi’s genius and how good he is. He has changed football and what it means to be a forward. It has been a privilege watching him over the years, this is a truly blessed generation. Undoubtedly a once in a lifetime player.

Have a look at some of the WC18 forum threads and see what you can add there on the same subject
 
And how many Champions league titles? Let's just conveniently ignore the biggest prize in club football. :))

Winning the league is the biggest test in the game. You have to be the best for nine months and 38 games. It is the biggest measure of consistency in the game.

On the other hand, you can hide for half the season and still win the Champions League, which is what Ronaldo did last season.

I am not downplaying Madrid’s magnificent run in the Champions League, but the whole world knows that the referees have been farcically biased in their favor, and they have ridden their luck.

No wonder Zidane has ran away, he has enough sense and intelligence to realize that their fluke is over, and once this team declines, he won’t be able to resurrect them.

He has been a massive success, but he knows that he is no Sir Alex, Pep, Mourinho or Klopp. He is a great motivator who commands immense respect.

Managers like him are great when a team is at the top, but they cannot turn things around when the team declines, as we saw in La Liga last season.

This Madrid team didn’t have the legs for the league and their cycle is over, and Zidane is not the man to overhaul the squad and oversee big changes.
 
On another planet when compared to Messi he is just so much better unlike that big bottler. The essence of football is to score goals and to do it in crunch situations and big games is phenomenal, Messi is like an Umar Akmal who looks great but with a nice little padded up record.

Wait what? :))):14:
 
His tournament performance in Euro championship was stellar and he helped guide his team to the final, beyond that his impact is incredible in KO stages and you'd always pick him over others in this era to deliver in crunch moments which is what matters the most.

There will always be hate and ignorance but there is no comparison between Ronaldo and Messi anymore, the question now is whether or not Ronaldo is the greatest of all time.
 
His tournament performance in Euro championship was stellar and he helped guide his team to the final, beyond that his impact is incredible in KO stages and you'd always pick him over others in this era to deliver in crunch moments which is what matters the most.

There will always be hate and ignorance but there is no comparison between Ronaldo and Messi anymore, the question now is whether or not Ronaldo is the greatest of all time.

He had about 300 shots on the way to the final of which he scored a few. If Portugal hadn't won it, thanks to Eder, it would have been a largely unforgettable tourney for him. As for KO stages, he was the worst player on the pitch against Bayern and Liverpool but unlike Messi he can get away with it.
 
He had about 300 shots on the way to the final of which he scored a few. If Portugal hadn't won it, thanks to Eder, it would have been a largely unforgettable tourney for him. As for KO stages, he was the worst player on the pitch against Bayern and Liverpool but unlike Messi he can get away with it.

This is nitpicking of the highest order, if that serial argentinian choker had a remotely similar record in the KO stages or even one big performance at the international level like CR7 v Spain last night ya"ll be idol worshipping him, he is the one who gets away with it. Messi was great during his purple path but without his natural gifts he is nothing due to his poor work ethic, lack of heart and mental weakness; this is why he will never be better then Ronaldo.
 
This is nitpicking of the highest order, if that serial argentinian choker had a remotely similar record in the KO stages or even one big performance at the international level like CR7 v Spain last night ya"ll be idol worshipping him, he is the one who gets away with it. Messi was great during his purple path but without his natural gifts he is nothing due to his poor work ethic, lack of heart and mental weakness; this is why he will never be better then Ronaldo.

Simple google search from 2014 world cup gave me this which says otherwise
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At international level he is a cut above Messi

Just compare the players he players with compared to Messi

Messi supporting cast includes Aguero, Higuain, Di Maria among others.

Ronaldo plays with West Ham rejects and players from the Portugese and Trkish leagues

You sure?

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Please refer to posts #18 and #23.

I distinctly remember you claiming CL to be the biggest prize in football, more so than any other cups including the FIFA World Cup. Now since it doesn't your agenda anymore suddenly La liga becomes a pinnacle to measure the success.
 
Simple google search from 2014 world cup gave me this which says otherwise
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Oh right so he was having the tournament of his life credit where due for the minnow bashing during group stages but still did nothing after that more importantly choked in the final reinforcing my views
 
The squad that Messi had for Arges in last 10-12 years, had CR replaced him in that sky blue shirt, Arges would have won at least 2 WCs and 4 Copa by now!!!!! Even this year, they have dropped Icardi & Correa because other 4 are Messi, Dybala, Higuan and .......Aguero!!!!! For his own good, Messi should have left Barca for a couple of years and win something without that golden Barca generation. Great ball players are cherished in every generation and I do agree, there is hardly anyone better than Messi with ball on feet, but not every great footballer is a winner - Zizu, Fat/Playboy Ronaldo, Pele, Maradona are those rare breed who could play and inspire their team to win. Messi has to win this WC, to come into that league - his squad is definitely good enough, no excuses.

He is 33 and seems like getting better, which I think is explainable. He is supremely skilled and technically outstanding, but most cases what happens is once players hit 30, their body gives up - this guy has kept his fitness, stamina, hunger and despite his lavish lifestyle, he is the hardest worker on the game and now he has added over 15 years of experience at the highest level for the best 2 clubs of his generation, playing under some of the best ever Managers!!!! Something we have seen for Zizu & Ibra as well - arguably Zizu was best in 2006 WC, at 34.


Yesterday, apart from 3 goals, he had couple of unique moments, which makes him probably the deadliest forward of all time - in 1st half, he sliced a squire pass for running forward (Guides probably), perfectly timed and paced, just from one single touch of his outside edge of right boot, when I am sure most forward would have tried to run with the ball and get stuck in a corner. Then in last moment, he almost got in between 2 Spanish CBs from nowhere, to get at the end of quite an innocent cross - perfectly timed run to beat offside trap & get on to scoring position. And, he beat someone DDG with a left footed standing shot from out side box!!!!! As, I wrote in another post - he was winger at MU, one of a pair forward at Real and No. 9 for Portugal in a arrow shape attack - and he is outstanding in every role.

I am a French & Dutch fan - if we could ever imagine a forward with the mixed skills & vision of Cruiff, Van Basten, Henrey & Platini - probably could have been something like CR07, still no one would beat him in straight line speed with ball on feet, not even Arsenal's Henrey. The most complete goal machine game has ever seen.

I wish he continues till Qatar.
 
The squad that Messi had for Arges in last 10-12 years, had CR replaced him in that sky blue shirt, Arges would have won at least 2 WCs and 4 Copa by now!!!!! Even this year, they have dropped Icardi & Correa because other 4 are Messi, Dybala, Higuan and .......Aguero!!!!! For his own good, Messi should have left Barca for a couple of years and win something without that golden Barca generation. Great ball players are cherished in every generation and I do agree, there is hardly anyone better than Messi with ball on feet, but not every great footballer is a winner - Zizu, Fat/Playboy Ronaldo, Pele, Maradona are those rare breed who could play and inspire their team to win. Messi has to win this WC, to come into that league - his squad is definitely good enough, no excuses.

He is 33 and seems like getting better, which I think is explainable. He is supremely skilled and technically outstanding, but most cases what happens is once players hit 30, their body gives up - this guy has kept his fitness, stamina, hunger and despite his lavish lifestyle, he is the hardest worker on the game and now he has added over 15 years of experience at the highest level for the best 2 clubs of his generation, playing under some of the best ever Managers!!!! Something we have seen for Zizu & Ibra as well - arguably Zizu was best in 2006 WC, at 34.


Yesterday, apart from 3 goals, he had couple of unique moments, which makes him probably the deadliest forward of all time - in 1st half, he sliced a squire pass for running forward (Guides probably), perfectly timed and paced, just from one single touch of his outside edge of right boot, when I am sure most forward would have tried to run with the ball and get stuck in a corner. Then in last moment, he almost got in between 2 Spanish CBs from nowhere, to get at the end of quite an innocent cross - perfectly timed run to beat offside trap & get on to scoring position. And, he beat someone DDG with a left footed standing shot from out side box!!!!! As, I wrote in another post - he was winger at MU, one of a pair forward at Real and No. 9 for Portugal in a arrow shape attack - and he is outstanding in every role.

I am a French & Dutch fan - if we could ever imagine a forward with the mixed skills & vision of Cruiff, Van Basten, Henrey & Platini - probably could have been something like CR07, still no one would beat him in straight line speed with ball on feet, not even Arsenal's Henrey. The most complete goal machine game has ever seen.

I wish he continues till Qatar.

POTW, most insightful poster on the footy discussions. Mate, people are well aware of all you post; they are surely not that ignorant but have to nitpick and belittle every Ronaldo goal because they are Messi fans and insecure, universally Ronaldo has been praised yesterday by pundits, experts and fans. Only Messi fans and a few footballing casuals were berating him
 
POTW, most insightful poster on the footy discussions. Mate, people are well aware of all you post; they are surely not that ignorant but have to nitpick and belittle every Ronaldo goal because they are Messi fans and insecure, universally Ronaldo has been praised yesterday by pundits, experts and fans. Only Messi fans and a few footballing casuals were berating him

No disrespect to Messi - great, great, great soccer artist; but just not tough enough. And, I'll again say with my little mouth - this is only because he was groomed in the comfort zone of that Barca generation; mentally not tough enough and he can't inspire his players (you don't need motivational speeches to inspire that Barca team, which had 7/8 starters for what is arguably one of top 2/3 National sides ever).

CR's advantage was that his early learning period was under the toughest task master (this is from a life long Liverpool fan), and his first few years were at the toughest place for skilled forwards - English Premier League. I am sure he'll reach 100 International goal mark - I have hardly seen such a player raising his game on big occasion. Players like Jordan, Viv, Imran, Shahbaz, Federer, Ali, Jehangir, Ronnie O'Sullivan are cherished not only for their game, rather their capability to raise on occasions, doing above average unexpected things when chips are down - which CR can, unfortunately Messi can't (for his skills level, obviously, we are not talking about Harry Kane here).
 
Great player but GOAT? Pele, Maradona, George Best, Zinedine Zidane, Ronaldo (real one), Romario, Batistuta, Luis Figo were all greater footballers.
 
Quite clear what Gayle feels.

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The squad that Messi had for Arges in last 10-12 years, had CR replaced him in that sky blue shirt, Arges would have won at least 2 WCs and 4 Copa by now!!!!! Even this year, they have dropped Icardi & Correa because other 4 are Messi, Dybala, Higuan and .......Aguero!!!!! For his own good, Messi should have left Barca for a couple of years and win something without that golden Barca generation. Great ball players are cherished in every generation and I do agree, there is hardly anyone better than Messi with ball on feet, but not every great footballer is a winner - Zizu, Fat/Playboy Ronaldo, Pele, Maradona are those rare breed who could play and inspire their team to win. Messi has to win this WC, to come into that league - his squad is definitely good enough, no excuses.

He is 33 and seems like getting better, which I think is explainable. He is supremely skilled and technically outstanding, but most cases what happens is once players hit 30, their body gives up - this guy has kept his fitness, stamina, hunger and despite his lavish lifestyle, he is the hardest worker on the game and now he has added over 15 years of experience at the highest level for the best 2 clubs of his generation, playing under some of the best ever Managers!!!! Something we have seen for Zizu & Ibra as well - arguably Zizu was best in 2006 WC, at 34.


Yesterday, apart from 3 goals, he had couple of unique moments, which makes him probably the deadliest forward of all time - in 1st half, he sliced a squire pass for running forward (Guides probably), perfectly timed and paced, just from one single touch of his outside edge of right boot, when I am sure most forward would have tried to run with the ball and get stuck in a corner. Then in last moment, he almost got in between 2 Spanish CBs from nowhere, to get at the end of quite an innocent cross - perfectly timed run to beat offside trap & get on to scoring position. And, he beat someone DDG with a left footed standing shot from out side box!!!!! As, I wrote in another post - he was winger at MU, one of a pair forward at Real and No. 9 for Portugal in a arrow shape attack - and he is outstanding in every role.

I am a French & Dutch fan - if we could ever imagine a forward with the mixed skills & vision of Cruiff, Van Basten, Henrey & Platini - probably could have been something like CR07, still no one would beat him in straight line speed with ball on feet, not even Arsenal's Henrey. The most complete goal machine game has ever seen.

I wish he continues till Qatar.

He did not beat De Gea; it was a nothing shot and he scored because of his howler. 99/100 times he won’t make that mistake, and it was not a strike worthy of a goal.

Yes it’s true that great players make their own luck, they do have a magic touch. De Gea may not have made that mistake on someone else’s shot, but to say he beat De Gea is disingenuous - De Gea beat De Gea.

Furthermore, you talk about Ronaldo slicing a pass to a running forward with a single touch of his boot. A great creative moment indeed, but Messi produces such moments three times in one half, game after game.

In terms of vision and creative skill, Ronaldo is not half the player Messi is. Both are supreme goal-scorers, but Messi’s playmaking skills give him superiority over Ronaldo, and that is why most neutrals rate him as the greatest ever.

The world has seen great goal scorers and great playmakers, but it has never seen a combination like Messi.

We have argued on this for long, and I won’t repeat my other points and I don’t want to waste your time on this either, because I am aware of your views.

The reason why I quoted your post was because I wanted to point out the inaccuracies. He didn’t beat De Gea with his second goal, and using Ronaldo’s playmaking skills to make him look superior to Messi is like bragging a bowler’s ability to swing the ball to make him look better than Wasim.
 
I distinctly remember you claiming CL to be the biggest prize in football, more so than any other cups including the FIFA World Cup. Now since it doesn't your agenda anymore suddenly La liga becomes a pinnacle to measure the success.

Champions League has indeed matched (if not overtaken) the World Cup in stature now, and neither Ronaldo nor Messi need World Cup glory to cement their legacy, but Madrid’s fake Champions League titles built on biased decisions and strokes of luck don’t count.

This Madrid team is nowhere near Pep’s Barcelona, and they are not worthy of 4 Champions Leagues in 5 seasons.
 
Great player but GOAT? Pele, Maradona, George Best, Zinedine Zidane, Ronaldo (real one), Romario, Batistuta, Luis Figo were all greater footballers.

It is very harsh to say that Ronaldo is inferior to Romario, Batistuta and Figo. He is comfortably better than all of them.
 
He did not beat De Gea; it was a nothing shot and he scored because of his howler. 99/100 times he won’t make that mistake, and it was not a strike worthy of a goal.

Yes it’s true that great players make their own luck, they do have a magic touch. De Gea may not have made that mistake on someone else’s shot, but to say he beat De Gea is disingenuous - De Gea beat De Gea.

Furthermore, you talk about Ronaldo slicing a pass to a running forward with a single touch of his boot. A great creative moment indeed, but Messi produces such moments three times in one half, game after game.

In terms of vision and creative skill, Ronaldo is not half the player Messi is. Both are supreme goal-scorers, but Messi’s playmaking skills give him superiority over Ronaldo, and that is why most neutrals rate him as the greatest ever.

The world has seen great goal scorers and great playmakers, but it has never seen a combination like Messi.

We have argued on this for long, and I won’t repeat my other points and I don’t want to waste your time on this either, because I am aware of your views.

The reason why I quoted your post was because I wanted to point out the inaccuracies. He didn’t beat De Gea with his second goal, and using Ronaldo’s playmaking skills to make him look superior to Messi is like bragging a bowler’s ability to swing the ball to make him look better than Wasim.

I am not questioning Messi's play making ability at all; but most Messi fan calls CR, tap-in master!!!! That example is to explain that apart from goal scoring, he has some thing else as well. Similarly, that left footed shot had enough venom to reach DDG, show me some decent shots from Messi with his right foot.
The vision & game making ability Messi fan boasts are absolute steal of credit from Iniesta & Xavi, otherwise Messi won't have been a passenger in last 3 games of 2014 WC, at 27 and at his prime with two of the deadliest ever forwards up front.

Take that slicing pass - CR was waiting on his toes just behind the last man for Guideos to push a cross pass, and he would have beaten his marker from cross run acceleration for a single shot goal - critics would have said again - tap-in ......

About 70% of worlds population are from South Asia, China and Africa; exclude 5% from USA, basically 75% of soccer world is highly skewed to Latin players (for obvious reason, apart from being Latino, Messi represents the have nots, while CR represents the capitalists), hence I am not surprised that in blogs & online heroics, Messi will be leading. In fact, I am surprised that it's so close - it's like telling that Tendulkar is more popular than Lara, and that establishes his uncontested superiority. CR has played under some of the best Managers ever and everyone has rated him, not only rated him actually allowed his shenanigans a little too much space for a reason.

You see, you are telling here that Messi is unique with both scoring & game making skills, which is blunt over statement, for a guy failing to win a single Copa in his 7 attempts, for that Arges team. What CR did to take Portugal to EURO Final is more than Messi's entire career outside La Messia, which is unfortunately an established fact.
 
Karma ................................

He had that early oppourtunity at a free kick to and it had no height and now this penalty botch, people discredited CR7 yesterday for the penalty blindly but the truth is they are not so simple especially with the pressure on but you still expect Messi to take them against Iceland, he comes across as a nervous wreck, just isn't strong mentally he shouldn't have taken it
 
Poor penalty miss from Messi, my gran could have saved that.
 
It is not even a question anymore. Producing performances like the one last evening at 33 years of age with a squad filled with nobodies, against one of the tournament favourites and the best defense in the world.

And this other guy threw in the towel at the international level at 28 showing his mental weakness. And here he is bottling it once again even though he has world-class players for support at his disposal.

Your useless, meaningless stats mean absolutely nothing.

I love Messi too and he is probably the second greatest ever but there is no doubt who the GOAT is anymore.

We are incredibly lucky to be able to witness the genius of these two players in our lifetimes.
 
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No disrespect to Messi - great, great, great soccer artist; but just not tough enough. And, I'll again say with my little mouth - this is only because he was groomed in the comfort zone of that Barca generation; mentally not tough enough and he can't inspire his players (you don't need motivational speeches to inspire that Barca team, which had 7/8 starters for what is arguably one of top 2/3 National sides ever).

CR's advantage was that his early learning period was under the toughest task master (this is from a life long Liverpool fan), and his first few years were at the toughest place for skilled forwards - English Premier League. I am sure he'll reach 100 International goal mark - I have hardly seen such a player raising his game on big occasion. Players like Jordan, Viv, Imran, Shahbaz, Federer, Ali, Jehangir, Ronnie O'Sullivan are cherished not only for their game, rather their capability to raise on occasions, doing above average unexpected things when chips are down - which CR can, unfortunately Messi can't (for his skills level, obviously, we are not talking about Harry Kane here).

People underestimate work ethic, heart, mental toughness and that winning mentality. These define greatness in the end, many people also overlook the time Ali spent away from the ring before beating Foreman; his movement, sharpness and reflex's had all declined, but in that limbo period he still worked incredibly hard on his fitness and made sure he was getting high calibre sparring, then after a near 4 year return he went straight into fights with Quarry and Bonavena who were both top 5 heavyweights ! that was unpredented. Ronaldo for me is cut from that same cloth.
 
Its not a debate anymore - RONALDO IS THE GOAT

Without him Portugal will struggle against saudi arabia, he has always dragged them single handily. Messi on the other hand needs support players otherwise hes usless.

But 5 ballond'ors for each of them, is soo amazing, if they were born at different times it could have been 10 each, Considering how fit Ronaldo is, he can maybe win another 2/3.
 
Ronaldo is not GOAT but he's a league above messi

Being aesthetically pleasing doesn't mean your best.If so ABD is the GOAT in cricket history

Roanldo just single-handedly won his country a valuable point and anyone saying thats because of the de gea mistakes is just stupid.Roanldo bravely get past pique and ramos before hitting wth his wrong foot and then only de gea made that mistake.So that was not a spoon feeding goal whilst he just gained it.....And to think Messi lost 6-1 to the same Spain add more to that

Cristiano put the team on his shoulders yesterday but wont say he's GOAT

But this has to how a GOAT performance looks like

He has one hand on the Ballon again i still feel looking at the way how awfully messi starts the wc and how brilliant ronado was
 
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If he wins the World Cup the debate will certainly be over between him and Messi.

Ronaldo has won the Euro with Portugal which has already put him a level above Messi. Messi's Argentina has not even managed to win Copa America tho they did make it to the Finals of the World Cup last time around.

This portugal team is stupid mate.Just watched yesterday's game and saw that the mighty spain bossed them like minnows.If it was not for ronaldo's brilliance the score line would have been a blatant 3-0 and if ronaldo failed in next 2 games i am not seeing them get past the group stage comprehensively let alone a wc,semi or even quarter

As like the commentators said yesterday what we witnessed was not spain vs portugal

Its 11 top Professionals vs 1 Genius
 
bad game today for messi

most of former and current players say that he is the best

i would go with people who are professional football players rather than people around here.
 
Ronaldo scored a penalty against one of the best goalkeepers in the world.

Messi missed a penalty against a 34 year old film director,part-time goalkeeper.
 
Argentina's defence is quite bad, also Messi was confronted with a wall of white every time he got the ball but still managed to create some very close chances. Seemed kind of off today for some reason though. Penalties are like a lottery and can't be used as a stick for measurement.
 
Apart from the on-field skills, in which :cr7 is the best, imo, can Messi express himself like Ronaldo expresses himself off the field?
 
Who has engaged more and more people to the beautiful game of football?
 
Some laughable posts on here.

Ronaldo isn't even the best Portuguese player of all time, Eusabio is. I would guess most of the posters on here haven't even heard of him.

Ronaldo is a great player there is no doubt but he shouldn't even come into the discussion regarding who is the best player of all time. I

If you compare his skills with the ball at his feet, he's not even in the top 20. Ronaldo is a very hard working footballer, fiercely competitive and extremely physically fit. His shooting is excellent including from long rage and he's very good in the air which is why you often see him defending corners.

He scores a lot of goals and has been very successful in club football but this doesn't make you the greatest of all time. You have to be the most superiour in ball control, dribbling, passing, shooting if you are an attacking player.

Nobody comes close to Maradonna.
 
His tournament performance in Euro championship was stellar and he helped guide his team to the final, beyond that his impact is incredible in KO stages and you'd always pick him over others in this era to deliver in crunch moments which is what matters the most.

There will always be hate and ignorance but there is no comparison between Ronaldo and Messi anymore, the question now is whether or not Ronaldo is the greatest of all time.


Ronaldo had 3 goals in 3 world cups before Fridays hat trick LOL. Some clutch player at international level that is.
 
I would still take Messi but the way Ronaldo has adapted his game in the last couple of years has been immense. He's gone from a flying winger to a goal scoring poacher. Also his motivation hasn't decreased. Unbelievable player.
 
Ronaldo is not GOAT but he's a league above messi

Being aesthetically pleasing doesn't mean your best.If so ABD is the GOAT in cricket history

Roanldo just single-handedly won his country a valuable point and anyone saying thats because of the de gea mistakes is just stupid.Roanldo bravely get past pique and ramos before hitting wth his wrong foot and then only de gea made that mistake.So that was not a spoon feeding goal whilst he just gained it.....And to think Messi lost 6-1 to the same Spain add more to that

Cristiano put the team on his shoulders yesterday but wont say he's GOAT

But this has to how a GOAT performance looks like

He has one hand on the Ballon again i still feel looking at the way how awfully messi starts the wc and how brilliant ronado was

Would that be the 6-1 game in which Messi didn't play?
 
I don't get why people are so obsessed by Ronaldo and Messi. Ronaldo is not even the best Ronaldo, R9(From Brazil) was much better strike than R7. R7 only scored 3 goals in last two World Cup. Where as R9 won the WC, scoring 8 goals in 2002, 2 of which in final, nobody has scored 8 goals in last 50 years(if my memory serves me right). He scored 16 or so goals in three WC, we won one WC and had terrible injury (who knows what exactly happen in 1998) just before final. He won Golden boots and Golden ball in those two WC... That will be hard for both Messi and R7 to achieve ;-)

As a mid fielder, for get about Maradona or Pele or long list of Brazilian mid fielders, R7 is not best in Europe, Zidane was much better player than R7. He almost won two WCs. He used to make the game from midfield, not just waiting for people to feed him...

They both play in super teams. When Spain national team become 80% Barcelona then the dominate the WC, EURO for close to 10 years, those same stars are the reason Messi become top player. At times you feel they are spoiled by star players, they are not the likes of Maradona and Zidane, who made their national team much better and fight in major tournaments, they helped them won those trophies...

WC is still hardest trophy to win, since it comes after 4 years, you have 2 serious shot and third long shot at it. Club championships like any other league format, comes every year, you get 10-12 shot at them, this become even more easier with super teams, which is norm in many euro leagues.
 
Winning the league is the biggest test in the game. You have to be the best for nine months and 38 games. It is the biggest measure of consistency in the game.

On the other hand, you can hide for half the season and still win the Champions League, which is what Ronaldo did last season.

I am not downplaying Madrid’s magnificent run in the Champions League, but the whole world knows that the referees have been farcically biased in their favor, and they have ridden their luck.

No wonder Zidane has ran away, he has enough sense and intelligence to realize that their fluke is over, and once this team declines, he won’t be able to resurrect them.

He has been a massive success, but he knows that he is no Sir Alex, Pep, Mourinho or Klopp. He is a great motivator who commands immense respect.

Managers like him are great when a team is at the top, but they cannot turn things around when the team declines, as we saw in La Liga last season.

This Madrid team didn’t have the legs for the league and their cycle is over, and Zidane is not the man to overhaul the squad and oversee big changes.

I'd say winning the Champions Leauge is much harder since it's basically a competition between the cream of the crop of all European leauges. There's a reason why before this Madrid team, no team had ever won the competition two times in a row. Plus the pressure of KO games is unparalleled with anything you face in the leauge. And Ronaldo thrives in pressure situations hence the phenomenal scoring record in KO games.

La Liga on the other hand has 15 teams filled with Spanish farmers.
Not that hard to remain consistent with such constant supply of minnows.
 
Argentina's defence is quite bad, also Messi was confronted with a wall of white every time he got the ball but still managed to create some very close chances. Seemed kind of off today for some reason though. Penalties are like a lottery and can't be used as a stick for measurement.
Not really, taking a penalty is a skill like any other in the game, not a lottery by any means. It's something you'd expect a player of Messi's calibre to do well even in his sleep. He just couldn't handle the pressure, plain and simple.
 
Ronaldo had 3 goals in 3 world cups before Fridays hat trick LOL. Some clutch player at international level that is.

The Euros is also classified as an international tournament LOL and he won that, it actually has proper international teams and not like the copa full of part timing sheppards and Messi keeps winning those. Speaking of the WC's what has Messi done that compares to a hattrick vs Spain LOL he is mentally stronger then Messi and handles pressure better that's just a fact
 
I don't get why people are so obsessed by Ronaldo and Messi. Ronaldo is not even the best Ronaldo, R9(From Brazil) was much better strike than R7. R7 only scored 3 goals in last two World Cup. Where as R9 won the WC, scoring 8 goals in 2002, 2 of which in final, nobody has scored 8 goals in last 50 years(if my memory serves me right). He scored 16 or so goals in three WC, we won one WC and had terrible injury (who knows what exactly happen in 1998) just before final. He won Golden boots and Golden ball in those two WC... That will be hard for both Messi and R7 to achieve ;-)

As a mid fielder, for get about Maradona or Pele or long list of Brazilian mid fielders, R7 is not best in Europe, Zidane was much better player than R7. He almost won two WCs. He used to make the game from midfield, not just waiting for people to feed him...

They both play in super teams. When Spain national team become 80% Barcelona then the dominate the WC, EURO for close to 10 years, those same stars are the reason Messi become top player. At times you feel they are spoiled by star players, they are not the likes of Maradona and Zidane, who made their national team much better and fight in major tournaments, they helped them won those trophies...

WC is still hardest trophy to win, since it comes after 4 years, you have 2 serious shot and third long shot at it. Club championships like any other league format, comes every year, you get 10-12 shot at them, this become even more easier with super teams, which is norm in many euro leagues.

R9 was a special player but he also played in one hell of a team and he did the job and I also rate him ahead of CR7, Messi despite playing in one of argentina's golden generations failed to win the big one. Only so much CR7 can do in a Portugal team that is entirely dependent on him but he still won the EUROs, if he was playing for that Brazil or Argentina he'd have a world cup winners medal to by now
 
Not really, taking a penalty is a skill like any other in the game, not a lottery by any means. It's something you'd expect a player of Messi's calibre to do well even in his sleep. He just couldn't handle the pressure, plain and simple.

Penalty's are only a lottery when Messi misses them against film directors making their debut at a football world cup, it was just a bad game for him and Argentina will have a smooth escape from this group phase regardless, there was not much at stake :irfan
 
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Is CR7 the GOAT? Depends where you play him.

Is CR7 one of the GOAT? Yes and so is Messi.

Is CR 7 better than Messi? Undoubtedly YES!
 
If I had to do an all time line-up it would look something like this. A lot depends on what and how you want to play.

CF - Maradona
AMF - Messi
LWF - CR7
RWF - Ronaldinho
CM - Zidane
CM - Pirlo
RB - Roberto Carlos
LB - Botaeng
CB - Maldini
CB - Lahm
GK - Buffon
 
If I had to do an all time line-up it would look something like this. A lot depends on what and how you want to play.

CF - Maradona
AMF - Messi
LWF - CR7
RWF - Ronaldinho
CM - Zidane
CM - Pirlo
RB - Roberto Carlos
LB - Botaeng
CB - Maldini
CB - Lahm
GK - Buffon

Great team mate, Brazilian Ronaldo unlucky to miss out but competition is fierce; where would you get him in [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
 
I am not questioning Messi's play making ability at all; but most Messi fan calls CR, tap-in master!!!! That example is to explain that apart from goal scoring, he has some thing else as well. Similarly, that left footed shot had enough venom to reach DDG, show me some decent shots from Messi with his right foot.
The vision & game making ability Messi fan boasts are absolute steal of credit from Iniesta & Xavi, otherwise Messi won't have been a passenger in last 3 games of 2014 WC, at 27 and at his prime with two of the deadliest ever forwards up front.

Take that slicing pass - CR was waiting on his toes just behind the last man for Guideos to push a cross pass, and he would have beaten his marker from cross run acceleration for a single shot goal - critics would have said again - tap-in ......

About 70% of worlds population are from South Asia, China and Africa; exclude 5% from USA, basically 75% of soccer world is highly skewed to Latin players (for obvious reason, apart from being Latino, Messi represents the have nots, while CR represents the capitalists), hence I am not surprised that in blogs & online heroics, Messi will be leading. In fact, I am surprised that it's so close - it's like telling that Tendulkar is more popular than Lara, and that establishes his uncontested superiority. CR has played under some of the best Managers ever and everyone has rated him, not only rated him actually allowed his shenanigans a little too much space for a reason.

You see, you are telling here that Messi is unique with both scoring & game making skills, which is blunt over statement, for a guy failing to win a single Copa in his 7 attempts, for that Arges team. What CR did to take Portugal to EURO Final is more than Messi's entire career outside La Messia, which is unfortunately an established fact.

Calling Ronaldo a tap-in master is obviously a misinformed opinion, he is a lot more than that. Undoubtedly one of the greatest goal-scorers of all time. However, the notion that Messi does not have a right foot is also a myth. His weak foot is not as developed as Ronaldo's, but he is no Alexis Sanchez either.

He has scored some excellent goals with his right foot over his career, and perhaps the most famous example was on a fateful night at the Bernabeu in a Champions League Semifinal, when Messi danced past Madrid's whole defense and slotted the ball past Casillas with his right-foot. Ronaldo's reaction, as he was standing with his hands on his hips, was worth a thousand words. If you think Messi doesn't have "decent shots" with his right foot, then you clearly haven't watched him enough.

Ronaldo's goal that "forced" De Gea into a mistake was a nothing shot. Let's not revise history because of Ronaldo. Messi has also scored many such cheap goals in his career, but it doesn't mean they have to be glorified because it is Messi.

It was a strike that even Sunday League goalkeepers would not struggle to save 9/10 times, let alone the best goalkeeper in the world.

There are other ways in which one can make a case for Ronaldo over Messi, but bringing playmaking skills to prove Ronaldo's greatness against Messi is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Ronaldo is literally half the player Messi is when we take goals out of the equation, and Messi is as good a goalscorer as Ronaldo if not better.

There is simply no case for Ronaldo being better than Messi, and the latter has performed better at the international level as well. Moreover, all this talk of Ronaldo playing for weak Portugal and Messi playing for great Argentina is also overblown. Football is a game of balance, not big names on paper.

Argentina have had a stellar frontline, but their team has not had any balance at all. As a result, Messi often has to drop deep into the midfield to carry the ball forward, still he has done better than Ronaldo and his three goals in three World Cups prior to Friday, and has also won a Ballon d'Or.

It is a misconception that Ronaldo would have taken this Argentina team to greater heights than Brazil of 1960 and West Germany of 1970. Take Ronaldo and Messi out of the equation, and Argentina vs Portugal will surprise a lot of people.
 
No, the guy who dragged his team in the last world cup final before his team mates let him down and won
the player of the tournament is The GOAT.

But, Cristiano is one of the best ever for sure

Messi not deserved to be player of the tournament nor he's carried Argentina to final.. he's carried them to ko stage, then it's Aguero, DiMaria etc carried them..
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Agreed Messi is insanely gifted and he's still in his 20s playing for a pretty decent argentinian team, but what is your review on his Iceland showing and why did he fail to take a penalty vs World Cup Debutants in a group game ?
 
If I had to do an all time line-up it would look something like this. A lot depends on what and how you want to play.

CF - Maradona
AMF - Messi
LWF - CR7
RWF - Ronaldinho
CM - Zidane
CM - Pirlo
RB - Roberto Carlos
LB - Botaeng
CB - Maldini
CB - Lahm
GK - Buffon

Great team mate, Brazilian Ronaldo unlucky to miss out but competition is fierce; where would you get him in [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

:)) :))

Roberto Carlos as RB, Boateng as LB, Lahm as CB and Pirlo over Xavi as CM.

Deary me.
 
Argentina's defence is quite bad, also Messi was confronted with a wall of white every time he got the ball but still managed to create some very close chances. Seemed kind of off today for some reason though. Penalties are like a lottery and can't be used as a stick for measurement.

I'm a Messi fan and consider him to be the best player BUT this is simply not true, there is clearly a skill to taking penalties.

It's bizarre that Messi is an amazing finisher however when it comes to penalties he hasn't nailed the art.
 
That team is a disaster.

Boateng wouldn't even get into an all time reserve Germany team

Nevermind picking a player who is not even close to being a legend, he is not even playing them in their respective positions.
 
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