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Is England winning the 2019 World Cup the biggest travesty in sports history?

Stop being bitter. They won. We are a bunch of sore losers. Please delete this thread.
 
That is how professional sport works. Cruel but that is how it works. Get over it and rise above hate.
 
I am truly astonished by the ungracious attitude and sour grapes of some posters.
Pakistan and India did not get to the final — get over it.
The rules that dictated the final over etc were clear before the tournament started.
 
The most humiliating way to win. The English should be ashamed
 
Sore losers.

England held their nerves. They lost the toss even and still managed to make it through. They didn't do anything unsporty.
 
It is one of the glorious moments in sports history. This England team deserves a movie based on their journey in the last 4 years. A beautiful script.
 
Mamoon said:
It is one of the glorious moments in sports history. This England team deserves a movie based on their journey in the last 4 years. A beautiful script.
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Who wouldn't be proud of having the win marred by idiotic rules.

If the rules made sense NZ would be world champions, and not the team which was bowled out in their 50 overs.
 
Aman said:
Who wouldn't be proud of having the win marred by idiotic rules.

If the rules made sense NZ would be world champions, and not the team which was bowled out in their 50 overs.
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Rules don't have to make sense. They are just rules. England did better according to the rules and they are the World Champions. Nevertheless, New Zealand were terrific in this World Cup and they have proved why they are always among the top teams in the world.
 
Mamoon said:
Rules don't have to make sense. They are just rules. England did better according to the rules and they are the World Champions. Nevertheless, New Zealand were terrific in this World Cup and they have proved why they are always among the top teams in the world.
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Do you know why no english fan or player is celebrating? Because they know it was absurd.
 
The thing is, there was no skill difference. Both teams made the same amount of runs. Boundries is a very random tiebreaker you can't really plan for. In my opinion should have been another super over.
 
Don't remember anyone pointing to rule book being stupid before the final began.

Now that the team, which deserved above all to win it given their awesome one day form and No 1 status, goes on to win it against a team that made it to the knockouts by huge dollops of luck (including many provided by ICC rules!), it is hard for people to swallow.

Time to contest the rules is before the match, not after.

Congratulations England. Worthy winners.

This from someone who was supporting NZ wholeheartedly.
 
Aman said:
Do you know why no english fan or player is celebrating? Because they know it was absurd.
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What world are you living in?

All English fans are celebrating.

I actually wish from the bottom of my heart that your team never wins a WC. You're such sore losers.
 
Aman said:
Who wouldn't be proud of having the win marred by idiotic rules.

If the rules made sense NZ would be world champions, and not the team which was bowled out in their 50 overs.
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If the rules made sense then ENG would still have been World champions. They absolutely thrashed you in the GM and were ahead of you in the group table.
 
Not a travesty by any stretch but yes, definitely the most luckiest. Every little moment went against NZ, but you can't blame England for it.

Just wished that you shouldn't decide the world cup based on the number of boundaries. Another super over wouldn't hurt or maybe do a 3 ball over. At least have a proper way. You don't strategise a match based on how many boundaries you're going to hit.
 
Aman said:
Do you know why no english fan or player is celebrating? Because they know it was absurd.
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Bro, I feel for NZ, this really was very harsh on them. I was dejected when this happened. Although England won the trophy but the way your side played today was in the true spirit of the game, I would have been less disappointed if Pak would have lost this. NZ may have lost the trophy, but they won our hearts. Be proud of your team mate, for me this was a champion effort from the Kiwis.
 
1986 footie one looked worse, didn't like the way 2006 one as well the two Italy won during world wars shady stuff again.. but that's how it is..

Thing is even if it was Head to head or position in group stages it would be England again, isn't that how SA lost to AUS as well, would be weird if this would mean ENG are going to be the tough team of coming decade :/
 
I think it is bit of a travesty but it is not fault of England. It is fault of ICC; they allowed this kind of rule.

Had that overthrow not happened, we wouldn't probably need a Super Over.
 
PakFan764 said:
If the rules made sense then ENG would still have been World champions. They absolutely thrashed you in the GM and were ahead of you in the group table.
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[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] I think that boundary rule is absurd, but the thing that really hurt you guys was the overthrow, ICC is just as bad a governing body as one could hope for.
 
Sean143 said:
Bro, I feel for NZ, this really was very harsh on them. I was dejected when this happened. Although England won the trophy but the way your side played today was in the true spirit of the game, I would have been less disappointed if Pak would have lost this. NZ may have lost the trophy, but they won our hearts. Be proud of your team mate, for me this was a champion effort from the Kiwis.
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I'm proud of the team, disgusted with how it all went down.

Feels like a proper robbery.
 
Sean143 said:
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] I think that boundary rule is absurd, but the thing that really hurt you guys was the overthrow, ICC is just as bad a governing body as one could hope for.
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Everything seemed to go against us and England still couldn't beat us. It took shoddy rules from the ICC to prevent this team winning a WC.
 
Regardless of the fact that it was unfair on Kiwis, England deserve their win too. This team is relatively humble and guys like Botham are now an anomaly in English cricket.
I am very disappointed with their win though, the brand of cricket that they play is going to be the death of cricket.
 
JaDed said:
1986 footie one looked worse, didn't like the way 2006 one as well the two Italy won during world wars shady stuff again.. but that's how it is..

Thing is even if it was Head to head or position in group stages it would be England again, isn't that how SA lost to AUS as well, would be weird if this would mean ENG are going to be the tough team of coming decade :/
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Those two rules were terrible, going forwrd when making rules they should ask themselves how would this rule be in a CWC Final.
 
Should've been super overs until there's a winner. No blame to England but they seriously did get away with one.
 
Yes i’m afraid it is.

New Zealand won that game by virtue or losing less wickets.
The fact that England were all out makes it even more absurd.
 
4 years ago England team got embarassingly knocked out the group stages.
They refreshed their tactics.
They scrambled the team
They tried different players and combinations.
They had players some in and go.
They had to adjust to new plans and change their game awareness, they had to adjust to a new coach.
4 years it took and they found their perfect squad.

Take nothing from them, England were favourites from the very beginning they didnt just get handed the trophy, they like every other team worked hard they had good games they had bad games, they fought and also almost faced elimination but they came back strong, they defeated favourites India. They dismantled Australia to face New Zealand.

A new champion was guaranteed.

This game had everything, ups, downs twists, luck, bad luck.

A final which ended in a tie
A super over which ended in a tie.
A match decided on boundaries.

Rules are rules, they dont make them every team and player know the rules before hand.

Both teams out there neck and neck fought for the win, you cannot take away nothing.

Exceptional batting
Great captain
Great bowling
Energetic fielding.

In the end 1 had to win 1 had to lose.

England won the trophy.
New Zealand won the fans and millions around the world.

England deservedly after 27 years of heartache, reached the final and ended up being the World Cup Cricket winners.

Lets appreciate great cricket and a quality team becoming the champions.

2 of the best teams in the tournament led by great captains gave it everything.

Congratulations England
Well done New Zealand.
 
Tough loss for the Kiwis. They should have been made joint winners of the WC. So close was this contest.
 
Please stop making your own rules and coming up with what feels good or right to you. Rules were made, everyone agreed. England won fair and square (with some luck), end of story, debate and WC.
 
It's not a travesty, however the ICC need to revamp the rules of the game because NZ lost to ICC's rule book today, instead of England. Something like boundaries, is very arbitrary.

A lot of times English people act patronising towards South Asians, who are involved in other sports like Football, Rugby or Tennis, by saying "stick to cricket". Ironically, cricket will be the sport England will and can be the most dominant/best at. As long as the current NZ rugby dominance exists, England won't be dominating rugby anytime soon and England ain't winning WC or dominating football for ages, possibly our lifetime.
 
NOOOOOO WAY !!!!!! Rules were written BEFORE the match started ..... so NO complaints are justified !!!!! In a way though, I am glad this happened !!!! Poor NZ .... how depressing !!!! I am sure they are looking at their innings in details .... where they could have scored couple more Runs .... or stopped couple of theirs ..... it is all cast in concrete now .... better luck next time .... Four years .... too long a wait !!!!!
 
gibsyhesperis said:
I am truly astonished by the ungracious attitude and sour grapes of some posters.
Pakistan and India did not get to the final — get over it.
The rules that dictated the final over etc were clear before the tournament started.
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Nothing to do with pakistan or india!
It concerns an incredible injustice to
New Zealand!!!
 
Sadevdesai said:
NOOOOOO WAY !!!!!! Rules were written BEFORE the match started ..... so NO complaints are justified !!!!! In a way though, I am glad this happened !!!! Poor NZ .... how depressing !!!! I am sure they are looking at their innings in details .... where they could have scored couple more Runs .... or stopped couple of theirs ..... it is all cast in concrete now .... better luck next time .... Four years .... too long a wait !!!!!
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The boards don't have any say on the rules!!
The icc make the rules for tournaments!!!
 
nads_rocks said:
4 years ago England team got embarassingly knocked out the group stages.
They refreshed their tactics.
They scrambled the team
They tried different players and combinations.
They had players some in and go.
They had to adjust to new plans and change their game awareness, they had to adjust to a new coach.
4 years it took and they found their perfect squad.

Take nothing from them, England were favourites from the very beginning they didnt just get handed the trophy, they like every other team worked hard they had good games they had bad games, they fought and also almost faced elimination but they came back strong, they defeated favourites India. They dismantled Australia to face New Zealand.

A new champion was guaranteed.

This game had everything, ups, downs twists, luck, bad luck.

A final which ended in a tie
A super over which ended in a tie.
A match decided on boundaries.

Rules are rules, they dont make them every team and player know the rules before hand.

Both teams out there neck and neck fought for the win, you cannot take away nothing.

Exceptional batting
Great captain
Great bowling
Energetic fielding.

In the end 1 had to win 1 had to lose.

England won the trophy.
New Zealand won the fans and millions around the world.

England deservedly after 27 years of heartache, reached the final and ended up being the World Cup Cricket winners.

Lets appreciate great cricket and a quality team becoming the champions.

2 of the best teams in the tournament led by great captains gave it everything.

Congratulations England
Well done New Zealand.
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Well written. Thanks
 
Look for all the smart alecs, the boards don't decide or confirm every tournament rule, icc make tournament rules!!!
Both captains have said that they asked the umpires what the rule was on a tie in the super over.
 
What a nonsensical question posed by the OP. England won fair and square. And if we are talking about luck, how about the toss? England won, despite losing the toss and batting second. In.a.world.cup.final! And in a tournament where matches have overwhelmingly been won by the team batting first. It took courage and guts. Feel sad for NZ but they had their fair share of “luck” along the way, on route to the final - at some point it had to go the other way.
 
I CANNOT understand the HATRED and yes HATE is a strong word but post upon post re the unfairness is disingenuous to say the least. The rules of the game were applied and England were given the victory. SIMPLE so can everyone just get over it or promise to cause a stink if another country benefits from some of crickets strange rules
 
Salma_T said:
I CANNOT understand the HATRED and yes HATE is a strong word but post upon post re the unfairness is disingenuous to say the least. The rules of the game were applied and England were given the victory. SIMPLE so can everyone just get over it or promise to cause a stink if another country benefits from some of crickets strange rules
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Nothing to do with hatred!
England won according to the rules!
What is being debated is, are those rules which england won by, FAIR?!!

There was another team in the final, were they treated fairly by the rules which are in place at the moment?!!

All rules and laws should be subject to change, if they come under situations which show that they are not fair or just!!
 
Captain caveman said:
Nothing to do with hatred!
England won according to the rules!
What is being debated is, are those rules which england won by, FAIR?!!

There was another team in the final, were they treated fairly by the rules which are in place at the moment?!!

All rules and laws should be subject to change, if they come under situations which show that they are not fair or just!!
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Why were the rules not fair or just?? Would the rules be fair if NZ had hit more boundaries?
 
babubengali14 said:
Why were the rules not fair or just?? Would the rules be fair if NZ had hit more boundaries?
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like several posters have mentioned, the essence of cricket is to score runs(in any form) and take wickets!!
It is not about who scores the most boundaries!!
If that was the aim of the game, then SHAHID AFRIDI WOULD BE THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME!!!
 
I think result should have been determined by the virtue of wickets lost and even if wickets lost were the same then boundary count should have been utilised to extricate the risk factor while scoring the runs. Much more fair method imo.


But can't say I'm disappointed with the result. English team were the deserving winners for playing fearless cricket throughout their campaign while NZ had quite their share of luck in getting to the final.
 
I'm just putting down what I wrote in another thread. I believe that had any of our teams (India, Pakistan, Australia etc) won in this manner, we would have been first in line claiming a fair win. I know I would.

So there's no point begrudging England fans their opinion.

England were the better team this series so deserved to win overall. They got lucky, but they did not cheat, and that's the thing about luck- it's very random. It also seems to favour the prepared.

It was a great, great game, so bitter and so sweet- that's why cricket is like life itself, glorious highs, abysmal lows, chances taken and not, keening regret and what-ifs. There were rules- and the rules seemed betray one team, no one ever thought that a randomly chosen metric would decide the final outcome. No one thought we'd have a tie upon a tie. But there we were. And that's life itself, neither fair nor unfair, just a random statistic driving outcomes that we hope we can influence through sheer hard work- sometimes we can and sometimes we cannot. Decisions were taken on field (umpires) that are being now questioned. That too is life. You rarely go back and change the past.

So I congratulate England on the win.

You can rarely change the past but you can definitely make a better future. Therefore I believe that ICC must get better at rule making, and Umpires need to get better using time and technology to make decisions.

Meanwhile this game will endure. We will look and re-look, change opinions as time passes, interpret and reinterpret, and through all of this there's a memory of the game, a beautiful and frustrating day. This game will live in many fans' minds - at least those who watched it- as .one of the high watermark moment of their cricket watching. I know I will. It is the finest example of cricket = life as it is, not how we want it to be.
 
Lovely post [MENTION=3685]Cryin Out Loud[/MENTION] 👍
 
They played within the rules.....and on this occassion the rules deemed England were the winners. If the rules deemed wickets as a criteria they wouldn't be throwing wickets and as @crying out loud we cannot change what has happened and there is no need to deride and demean England's win as they didn't make the rules and the rules on another day would have favoured the opposition. The likelihood of a tie is rare and then another tie is as rare as hen's teeth.
 
Salma_T said:
They played within the rules.....and on this occassion the rules deemed England were the winners. If the rules deemed wickets as a criteria they wouldn't be throwing wickets and as @crying out loud we cannot change what has happened and there is no need to deride and demean England's win as they didn't make the rules and the rules on another day would have favoured the opposition. The likelihood of a tie is rare and then another tie is as rare as hen's teeth.
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You seem to be taking this very personally!
The sensible posters have repeatedly said that england are not at fault for the ridiculous icc rules and hence are the world champions!
What is being debated is, were the icc rules fair? And if not , is it fair that england were crowned world champions instead of new zealand?!!
 
England winning the WC is not a travesty at all, but the method by which the winner was decided was indeed a travesty.
 
- England are the highest ranked team in the world

- They had more points in the group than New Zealand

- They had the highest NRR among all teams

- they had beaten New Zealand in the the group game

The only travesty would have been New Zealand winning the World Cup after both the match and the super-over were tied.

I am glad the boundaries rule was used and England benefited from it.
 
England won the game within the rules and are deserving. The present rules and the way of determining winners by ICC is the actual travesty. I will not blame England as they have been the best ODI team for a while and played well.
 
giri26 said:
England won the game within the rules and are deserving. The present rules and the way of determining winners by ICC is the actual travesty. I will not blame England as they have been the best ODI team for a while and played well.
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Agreed!!
 
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