Is Hardik Pandya good enough to play as batsman in LOIs?

[Ab Fan]

As it is now, Pandya has been selected in both ODIs and T20s format for Australia tour but it's unlikely that he will be bowling even a few overs let alone a full quota of fifth bowler.

It means he will have to bat at no.6 and we must play a bowling all-rounder at no.7. The question though is how much it will affect the balance of the team and is Pandya good enough to bat as specialist batsman at no.6 in ODI format? Who should bat at no.7 in that scenario?

Discuss!

 

[Mamoon]

Yes he is.

He is a brilliant striker and few players in the world are better than him at 6/7.

He is also a brilliant fielder and can do a job with the ball when required.

Every team in the world would love to have someone like him at their disposal.

 

[tyron_woodley]

He is a good player for balance.
He is also needed in tests for balance. Trust me. Especially in away condtions like England, n.z and Australia he would be extremely handy.

He gives the strike bowlers rest whilst he can chip in with a few wickets or keep the run rate low.
He can also bat at 7 and provide some rear guard support.

He is not by any means a specialist bat like stokes but he is useful. His bowling is good enough to contain and provide rest for our main bowlers and that is necessary.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is a good player for balance.
He is also needed in tests for balance. Trust me. Especially in away condtions like England, n.z and Australia he would be extremely handy.

He gives the strike bowlers rest whilst he can chip in with a few wickets or keep the run rate low.
He can also bat at 7 and provide some rear guard support.

He is not by any means a specialist bat like stokes but he is useful. His bowling is good enough to contain and provide rest for our main bowlers and that is necessary.

Since he is not bowling now, the point of discussion is how much it will affect our overall balance in all formats.

In tests, he is not even in squad and it makes sense because he cant bowl.

In T20s, he probably walks in as a specialist bat.

In ODIs, does he walks as specialist and do we even have a better batter at no.6 position than HP?

 

[Ashmal]

He can play T20s as a batsman.

But not good enough to play ODIs as a specialist batsman.

 

[Mesozoic]

Ofcourse he is. He's be a perfect no.6 for India with a top5 of Dhawan, Rohit, Kohli, Rahul and Iyer.

After years, we can finally have a set solid top6. Just hope our brainless selectors and management won't mess up again.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He is a good player for balance.
He is also needed in tests for balance. Trust me. Especially in away condtions like England, n.z and Australia he would be extremely handy.

He gives the strike bowlers rest whilst he can chip in with a few wickets or keep the run rate low.
He can also bat at 7 and provide some rear guard support.

He is not by any means a specialist bat like stokes but he is useful. His bowling is good enough to contain and provide rest for our main bowlers and that is necessary.

So you didn't care to read the OP?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Batting average of 29 and 16 in ODI's and T20's respectively and he is good enough to play as a batsman alone lol. When was the last time he actually won a match with his big hitting? Can anyone tell?

People used to criticise even Raina who had an average of 35 and 29 in LOI's. He played so many match winning cameos, involved in partnerships with Dhoni and Yuvi but what has Pandya done in LOI's as a batsman? He played like a sheep in the Semi Final of the World Cup but the blame was shifted to Dhoni. Yusuf Pathan had similar stats and he was dropped when he became useless with the bowling.

 

[Mobashir]

So you didn't care to read the OP?

It depends on the toss not on the opening post.
Pandya can be tried at 6 for India as their top order play the bulk of the overs most of the time but he is Yet to proove himself at international level.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He can play T20s as a batsman.

But not good enough to play ODIs as a specialist batsman.

You are right. In T20's he will mostly get 20-25 balls where he can entertain his lollipop fans but even there he averages just 16.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It depends on the toss not on the opening post.
Pandya can be tried at 6 for India as their top order play the bulk of the overs most of the time but he is Yet to proove himself at international level.

Yusuf Pathan played 57 ODI's and 22 T20's
Hardik Pandya so far has played 54 ODI's and 40 T20's.

How many more games does Pandya needs to prove himself? He may be a batting God for some in IPL but he is a below average player in internationals. He is just above Afghanistan's Rashid Khan in batting.

 

[saeed5646]

poor's man maxwell .Will do occasionally well but will be missing rest of time

 

[King_Kohli]

Yes in T20's but not for IDI's.
Paper Tiger Pandya good in IPL not in internationals.

 

[Mamoon]

It depends on the toss not on the opening post.
Pandya can be tried at 6 for India as their top order play the bulk of the overs most of the time but he is Yet to proove himself at international level.

76 (43) vs Pakistan
83 (66) vs Australia
78 (72) vs Australia

93 (95) in the first Test in SA on a bowling wicket against Steyn, Rabada, Philander and Morkel when India were 90/7.

Test hundred at a strike rate of 110+ against Sri Lanka.

Multiple great knocks in IPL.

He has more than proved himself in international cricket and is a miles better batsman than any all-rounder of his generation in Asia.

 

[King_Kohli]

76 (43) vs Pakistan
83 (66) vs Australia
78 (72) vs Australia

93 (95) in the first Test in SA on a bowling wicket against Steyn, Rabada, Philander and Morkel when India were 90/7.

Test hundred at a strike rate of 110+ against Sri Lanka.

Multiple great knocks in IPL.

He has more than proved himself in international cricket and is a miles better batsman than any all-rounder of his generation in Asia.

Shakib and Jaddu better than Pandya.

 

[Ab Fan]

It depends on the toss not on the opening post.
Pandya can be tried at 6 for India as their top order play the bulk of the overs most of the time but he is Yet to proove himself at international level.

He is very important to Indian team in both the formats. We have dozen of stats-booster batsmen in our team. So, his value increases a lot. But for winning games, a bigger question is whether he can be good enough for that position with Jadeja batting at 7?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

poor's man maxwell .Will do occasionally well but will be missing rest of time

He is better than maxwell.A similar level batsman and a much better bowler than him.

 

[Mamoon]

Shakib and Jaddu better than Pandya.

I am talking about his generation. Shakib and Jadeja are both veteran players now.

Shakib made his debut in 2006-07 and Jadeja has been around 2009-10.

Pandya broke onto the scene around 2016 so his generation is the likes of Imad, Shadab, Faheem, Krunal Pandya etc.

He is far better than all of them as far as batting is concerned.

 

[Ab Fan]

76 (43) vs Pakistan
83 (66) vs Australia
78 (72) vs Australia

93 (95) in the first Test in SA on a bowling wicket against Steyn, Rabada, Philander and Morkel when India were 90/7.

Test hundred at a strike rate of 110+ against Sri Lanka.

Multiple great knocks in IPL.

He has more than proved himself in international cricket and is a miles better batsman than any all-rounder of his generation in Asia.

They are all top knocks.

That 83(66) was a magnificent knock. He came when India were 87-5 after 21 overs and he took us to 205-6 by 40 overs inspite of Dhoni batting at other end. This is the type of knock we will need from him at no.6.

 

[Mamoon]

They are all top knocks.

That 83(66) was a magnificent knock. He came when India were 87-5 after 21 overs and he took us to 205-6 by 40 overs inspite of Dhoni batting at other end. This is the type of knock we will need from him at no.6.

Exactly. If Shadab, Imad or Faheem plays a knock like that our fans will never stop talking about it. However, if an Indian plays an innings like that, he is yet to prove himself in international cricket.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Hardik Pandya has faced 210 balls in t2os after playing 40 matches.
Out of those 40 matches he batted only in 25 and even in those matches he came in mostly after 16 overs.

So 210/25=8.4,the guy gets to bat only for 8 balls on an average and that too after 16 overs, now i dont think there’s a need to explain why his average is low in t20is.Indias top order usually plays bulk of the overs and then Hardik comes in to go gung ho from the first ball.

In odis he needs to improve his batting and we need to give him some more time.In test cricket his stats are very good,a batting average of 32 with a bowling average of 31 is a really good combination.

As for OP,yes he can play as a specialist pinch hitter .

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He is better than maxwell.A similar level batsman and a much better bowler than him.

Lol what?

 

[King_Kohli]

I am talking about his generation. Shakib and Jadeja are both veteran players now.

Shakib made his debut in 2006-07 and Jadeja has been around 2009-10.

Pandya broke onto the scene around 2016 so his generation is the likes of Imad, Shadab, Faheem, Krunal Pandya etc.

He is far better than all of them as far as batting is concerned.

You are elevating Hardhik by comparing with mediocre all rounders.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Batting average of 29 and 16 in ODI's and T20's respectively and he is good enough to play as a batsman alone lol. When was the last time he actually won a match with his big hitting? Can anyone tell?

People used to criticise even Raina who had an average of 35 and 29 in LOI's. He played so many match winning cameos, involved in partnerships with Dhoni and Yuvi but what has Pandya done in LOI's as a batsman? He played like a sheep in the Semi Final of the World Cup but the blame was shifted to Dhoni. Yusuf Pathan had similar stats and he was dropped when he became useless with the bowling.

Dhoni was at fault for the semi final loss. Biggest mistake was picking him for the WC squad. Also pannuati pant shouldn't have played.

Iyer
Pandey or Rahul in middle order
Mayank should have opened.

But the brainless idiot dhoni decided to play because he thinks he owns India and he chose his favourite buddies who were just as useless.

Rayudu who actually performed well in n.z and even won India 2 games in seaming condtions was dropped ROFL.

 

[Ab Fan]

Lol what?

Maxwell

Age 32
Avg 33
S/R 123

Pandya

Age 27
Avg 29
S/R 115

With peak years ahead for Pandya and most likely he will bat more and bowl lesser now, not a wrong argument to make.

 

[tyron_woodley]

It depends on the toss not on the opening post.
Pandya can be tried at 6 for India as their top order play the bulk of the overs most of the time but he is Yet to proove himself at international level.

You have Asperger's or something? Toss doesn't matter now? C'mon.
Want me to bring up the record for how many games teams win when they win the toss in tests especially in SeNA? I know it's difficult for you to think but you can still atelast attempt to try and reason right?

 

[tyron_woodley]

Pandya when he retires will be better than razzaq, CDG. He won't be better than stokes because stokes is an ATG best of all time level player.

 

[Mamoon]

You are elevating Hardhik by comparing with mediocre all rounders.

He is the only one in that list who is not mediocre, so why shouldn’t he be praised?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Maxwell

Age 32
Avg 33
S/R 123

Pandya

Age 27
Avg 29
S/R 115

With peak years ahead for Pandya and most likely he will bat more and bowl lesser now, not a wrong argument to make.

So you have basically answered your own question in the OP?

 

[Rajdeep]

Pandya would be batting at no.6 for a batting line up filled with quality top orders. So more often than not he will be batting when 8-12 will be left and the ask is to go for big hits. He is perfectly suited for that role and can give much needed finishing touch to the innings. Dont think we need to look at avg for a no.6 batsman..its the strike rate which is the key. The alternate to Pandya at 6 is Manish Pandey...phew. I would take Hardik anyday over him.

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Rahul (wk)
Iyer
Pandya

 

[Ab Fan]

So you have basically answered your own question in the OP?

He is similar to Maxwell with the bat but is that good enough to bat at 6, that's the question particularly with Jadeja at 7?? The question is not yet resolved.

Maxwell bats at 7 for Australia.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He is similar to Maxwell with the bat but is that good enough to bat at 6, that's the question particularly with Jadeja at 7?? The question is not yet resolved.

Maxwell bats at 7 for Australia.

He has been dropped so many times in his career but it seems Mr Pandya is above criticism and can't be dropped even if he keeps getting out on 5 from 2 balls just because his strike rate is good lol.

 

[Ashmal]

Maxwell

Age 32
Avg 33
S/R 123

Pandya

Age 27
Avg 29
S/R 115

With peak years ahead for Pandya and most likely he will bat more and bowl lesser now, not a wrong argument to make.

Not really...Maxwell has played some clutch knocks and played a starring role in 2015 WC win.

 

[Rajdeep]

Not really...Maxwell has played some clutch knocks and played a starring role in 2015 WC win.

Dont worry...Pandya would play starring role too in 2023 WC at home.

 

[Ashmal]

He has been dropped so many times in his career but it seems Mr Pandya is above criticism and can't be dropped even if he keeps getting out on 5 from 2 balls just because his strike rate is good lol.

Recently Maxwell and Carey chased 300+ against Eng from 73/5.

Pandya hasn't done anything like that in internationals....don't know how he became similar to Maxwell.

 

[Ashmal]

Dont worry...Pandya would play starring role too in 2023 WC at home.

Then we should praise him after 2023 then.

 

[King_Kohli]

Dont worry...Pandya would play starring role too in 2023 WC at home.

I wish and hope soon he will start bowl.
We need him in tests.

 

[Ashmal]

He is similar to Maxwell with the bat but is that good enough to bat at 6, that's the question particularly with Jadeja at 7?? The question is not yet resolved.

Maxwell bats at 7 for Australia.

The thing is earlier Pandya used to play as an all-rounder so it was reasonable to play him as he could bowl even if his batting didn't come off.

But now as a pure batsman do you think he's the best option for India at #6.

If India's top-order collapses as it did in WC semis can Pandya the batsman win it from #6.

I think Suryakumar Yadav is a better bet than Pandya at #6 as a specialist batsman.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Recently Maxwell and Carey chased 300+ against Eng from 73/5.

Pandya hasn't done anything like that in internationals....don't know how he became similar to Maxwell.

With guaranteed peak years ahead, Pandya will be better than Maxwell and should never be dropped from Indian side lol.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The thing is earlier Pandya used to play as an all-rounder so it was reasonable to play him as he could bowl even if his batting didn't come off.

But now as a pure batsman do you think he's the best option for India at #6.

If India's top-order collapses as it did in WC semis can Pandya the batsman win it from #6.

I think Suryakumar Yadav is a better bet than Pandya at #6 as a specialist batsman.

All of us saw how he played against NZ in the semi final. Scored 32 from 62 while chasing 239.

 

[Rajdeep]

The thing is earlier Pandya used to play as an all-rounder so it was reasonable to play him as he could bowl even if his batting didn't come off.

But now as a pure batsman do you think he's the best option for India at #6.

If India's top-order collapses as it did in WC semis can Pandya the batsman win it from #6.

I think Suryakumar Yadav is a better bet than Pandya at #6 as a specialist batsman.

No...SKY is a top order batsman. The only no.6 batsmen that he is competing with are Manish Pandey, Kedar Jadhav and Rishab Pant. Considering we are a top heavy side, no.6 batsman will more often than not need to play a flashy cameo and Pandya is best suited for that. Sure, 74/5 chasing 300 kinda situation can also arise but you dont pick a team thinking such adverse conditions.

Having said that I hope Pandya starts bowling soon. He has the potential to be the very best all rounder of this era.

 

[Ab Fan]

The thing is earlier Pandya used to play as an all-rounder so it was reasonable to play him as he could bowl even if his batting didn't come off.

But now as a pure batsman do you think he's the best option for India at #6.

If India's top-order collapses as it did in WC semis can Pandya the batsman win it from #6.

I think Suryakumar Yadav is a better bet than Pandya at #6 as a specialist batsman.

I think Pandya is the best option available for us at no.6 but I am not sure how good will he be at that position. England play Jos Buttler at no.6, if we play Pandya at 6 then Jadeja comes at 7 and then we have four tailenders. Preferably, we need something like SKY at 6 and Pandya at 7. Otherwise we will remain a top team but not become the best team out there.

 

[Mesozoic]

Pandya's ceiling with the bat is much higher than what most people think it is. He is no Ben Stokes but he's no Shadab Khan either atleast in limited overs cricket.

Just in the last world cup while batting in the top 6 most of time, he played a few brilliant cameos against Australia (48 of 33), West Indies (46 of 38), England (45 of 33)and Pakistan (26 of 19). He has clearly shown that he's the best bet India have got for that no.6 spot as someone who can come out and go off right away.

 

[Ashmal]

I think Pandya is the best option available for us at no.6 but I am not sure how good will he be at that position. England play Jos Buttler at no.6, if we play Pandya at 6 then Jadeja comes at 7 and then we have four tailenders. Preferably, we need something like SKY at 6 and Pandya at 7. Otherwise we will remain a top team but not become the best team out there.

Pandya at #6 with Jadeja and bowlers to follow...doesn't give much confidence.
Once you are 4 wickets down it could be all over pretty soon.

 

[Ab Fan]

With guaranteed peak years ahead, Pandya will be better than Maxwell and should never be dropped from Indian side lol.

You guys are making Maxwell look like a brilliant ODI player which he isn't. He sure was very good around 2015-16 but that recent knock he played was a fluke and he has been terrible in last couple of years. Maxwell's batting should be benchmark for Pandya if he is bowling 10 overs. If he is not bowling, the benchmark should be Buttler.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Not really...Maxwell has played some clutch knocks and played a starring role in 2015 WC win.

Yea.... At home. Flukes can happen at home. Dude is a complete hack.

Anyway that year Australia wouldn't have won the WC anywhere else apart from Australia. Besides Watson and Warner along with Starc were their real heroes.

 

[tyron_woodley]

No...SKY is a top order batsman. The only no.6 batsmen that he is competing with are Manish Pandey, Kedar Jadhav and Rishab Pant. Considering we are a top heavy side, no.6 batsman will more often than not need to play a flashy cameo and Pandya is best suited for that. Sure, 74/5 chasing 300 kinda situation can also arise but you dont pick a team thinking such adverse conditions.

Having said that I hope Pandya starts bowling soon. He has the potential to be the very best all rounder of this era.

Ok leta not go that far. Pandya doesn't have stokes talent.

Pandya will be a very good player. Better than razzaq and CDG but not on the level of true ATGs like stokes etc

I still rate jaddu Bhai over many all rounders. Dude is a stud and very underrated. He has ATG level capability in tests.

 

[Hasan123]

Looks like he might not do much bowling due to his injury. So the only way he is going to play for India is by doing well as a batter.

He has played some decent knocks. But he needs to add consistency. I think he has the ability to be a good finisher for India. I would play him at 6.

 

[Ashmal]

Yea.... At home. Flukes can happen at home. Dude is a complete hack.

Anyway that year Australia wouldn't have won the WC anywhere else apart from Australia. Besides Watson and Warner along with Starc were their real heroes.

Hack or not he delivered when it mattered in that WC.

So by your logic, India (2011) , Aus (2015) and Eng (2019) WC wins at home were all flukes.

 

[Ashmal]

You guys are making Maxwell look like a brilliant ODI player which he isn't. He sure was very good around 2015-16 but that recent knock he played was a fluke and he has been terrible in last couple of years. Maxwell's batting should be benchmark for Pandya if he is bowling 10 overs. If he is not bowling, the benchmark should be Buttler.

No one's is saying that Maxwell is some great but for me he is still a better batsman than Pandya so far.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yea.... At home. Flukes can happen at home. Dude is a complete hack.

Anyway that year Australia wouldn't have won the WC anywhere else apart from Australia. Besides Watson and Warner along with Starc were their real heroes.

Lol, Watson and Warner were not heroes in that WC win. The heroes were Starc and Smith. Warner played only one good knock in that series vs Afghanistan.

 

[CommonIndian]

In T20I's Hardik Pandya is good enough to play as a Batsman only.

In Odi's he can be tried for 5-6 games as batsmen as he has great hitting ability and We can really make use of his hitting potential. Should be given chance just as a batsman as he has good striking ability.

 

[JattMaula]

In t20s yes.

He has not yet proved his odi batting credentials. If he is bowling then he is a must have. Team will be playing him anyhow. We really need a Badtameez batter at tail end.

 

[CommonIndian]

In t20s yes.

He has not yet proved his odi batting credentials. If he is bowling then he is a must have. Team will be playing him anyhow. We really need a Badtameez batter at tail end.

He can be given 5-6 games as a batsman only in odi's. It's up to him to grab the opportunity. But one thing is sure he has the unqiue ability of hard-hitting. With that hard-hitting ability if he can build innings coming at 6-7 when the team is in trouble that would be perfect.

There is a unique hard-hitting potential that can be tapped.

 

[RyanRyan10]

In odis no

Our tailenders can't bat and with Hardik & Jadeja at 6 & 7, even the lower middle order would be weakened. If we had a decent.8 then I would have played him as a batsman

In T20Is yes

He has improved his hitting against pacers and is capable of playing those small cameos at the end which can impact the match.

Overall as a batsman, he needs to become more consistent.

 

[Ab Fan]

We need a lineup like this for ODIs once Pandya starts bowling full-time:-

Sharma
Dhawan
Kohli
Rahul(wkt)
Iyer( should not give up part-time spin)
SKY/Kishan/Motu Pant
Pandya
Bhuvi/Saini
Shami
Chahal
Bumrah

12th man- Manish Pandey/Ravindra Jadeja

 

[tyron_woodley]

Hack or not he delivered when it mattered in that WC.

So by your logic, India (2011) , Aus (2015) and Eng (2019) WC wins at home were all flukes.

wrong because india actually backed it up by winning again in the championst trophy after WC.

aussie hack boy maxwell fluked it that year only cause it was played in australia.

their team wouldnt have won elsewhere apart from australia that year.

and yes england winning 2019 was the biggest fluke by far. they werent even the best team inthe WC.

 

[MMHS]

In T20 definitely, but fit ODI, may be not yet.

One thing needs to be considered that when he is bowling 6-7 overs per ODI, his role is different, so is expectations. But, if he stops bowling (or not expected to bowl a single ball), then his kpi changes, now he’ll be expected to bat for building innings & finish games - I don’t think his batting is yet to that level. Has potential, but not fulfilled yet. In T20, 4 top order batsmen + a WK like Pant or Samson are more than to cover for 20 overs, hence he can easily fit in to No. 6 spot simply as batsman.

 

[Rajdeep]

Recently Maxwell and Carey chased 300+ against Eng from 73/5.

Pandya hasn't done anything like that in internationals....don't know how he became similar to Maxwell.

Remember Pandya's innings in CT Finals? India was at 74/6 and then he played that epic knock. Who knows had Jadeja not ran him out he might have pulled a Maxwell there?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Remember Pandya's innings in CT Finals? India was at 74/6 and then he played that epic knock. Who knows had Jadeja not ran him out he might have pulled a Maxwell there?

You guys should actually wait before he reaches his peak or plays an inning like maxwell did before glorifying him. I am sure you have seen many such innings in a lost cause and when you have nothing to lose. He played his natural game in the Semi Final of World Cup. Players like Pant and Pandya have shown so far they are nowhere near Dhoni, Yuvi or Raina when it comes to finishing games in LOI. And it's been more than 3 years since Pandya played that inning lol.

 

[Smudger]

You guys should actually wait before he reaches his peak or plays an inning like maxwell did before glorifying him. I am sure you have seen many such innings in a lost cause and when you have nothing to lose. He played his natural game in the Semi Final of World Cup. Players like Pant and Pandya have shown so far they are nowhere near Dhoni, Yuvi or Raina when it comes to finishing games in LOI. And it's been more than 3 years since Pandya played that inning lol.

He only smashed Fakhar Zaman and Shadab in that innings

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He only smashed Fakhar Zaman and Shadab in that innings

No he smashed peak Saqlain Mushtaq and Shane Warne. It's funny to see people make fun of Pakistan team here and still hype performances against their part time bowlers.

 

[Rajdeep]

You guys should actually wait before he reaches his peak or plays an inning like maxwell did before glorifying him. I am sure you have seen many such innings in a lost cause and when you have nothing to lose. He played his natural game in the Semi Final of World Cup. Players like Pant and Pandya have shown so far they are nowhere near Dhoni, Yuvi or Raina when it comes to finishing games in LOI. And it's been more than 3 years since Pandya played that inning lol.

Same way you also should wait before dismissing him. And it was not a lost cause in that game till the time Pandya was there. The way he was hitting the spinners that day the run out was pretty untimely. 3 overs of Shadab and 1 over from Zaman was still there for taking. He could have easily scored 60 runs from those 4 overs (very much possibile the way he was slaughtering the spinners that day). Remove 60 runs from ultimate defeat margin of 180. Target of 120 with 20 overs to go and 4 wickets in hand. Game was on. Mind you 14 overs of seam bowling was left (Amir - 4, Junaid and Hassan - 5 each). So Sarfraz needed 6 more overs from his other spinners - Hafeez and Imad. Anything could have happened and hence that run out was so untimely.

And we are talking about Pandya of 3 years ago. Now his powerhitting has improved even more. Not only against spinners but also against fast bowlers. I know you dont follow IPL but the way he was thrashing Rabada's and Cummins of the world this year was mindblowing. Defnitely deserve a chance at no.6. If we can give such a long rope to Kedar Jadhav why not Pandya at 6?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Same way you also should wait before dismissing him. And it was not a lost cause in that game till the time Pandya was there. The way he was hitting the spinners that day the run out was pretty untimely. 3 overs of Shadab and 1 over from Zaman was still there for taking. He could have easily scored 60 runs from those 4 overs (very much possibile the way he was slaughtering the spinners that day). Remove 60 runs from ultimate defeat margin of 180. Target of 120 with 20 overs to go and 4 wickets in hand. Game was on. Mind you 14 overs of seam bowling was left (Amir - 4, Junaid and Hassan - 5 each). So Sarfraz needed 6 more overs from his other spinners - Hafeez and Imad. Anything could have happened and hence that run out was so untimely.

And we are talking about Pandya of 3 years ago. Now his powerhitting has improved even more. Not only against spinners but also against fast bowlers. I know you dont follow IPL but the way he was thrashing Rabada's and Cummins of the world this year was mindblowing. Defnitely deserve a chance at no.6. If we can give such a long rope to Kedar Jadhav why not Pandya at 6?

He has played 54 ODI's and 40 T20's. For how long do we have to wait? If he is smashing world class bowlers in IPL(T20) then include him in Indian T20 team but he is not so special in ODI's.

Here are Kedar Jadhav's stats

73 ODI's
Batting avg : 42
Bowling avg : 37

Pandya's stats

54 ODI's
Batting avg : 29
Bowlinf avg : 40

 

[Mobashir]

76 (43) vs Pakistan
83 (66) vs Australia
78 (72) vs Australia

93 (95) in the first Test in SA on a bowling wicket against Steyn, Rabada, Philander and Morkel when India were 90/7.

Test hundred at a strike rate of 110+ against Sri Lanka.

Multiple great knocks in IPL.

He has more than proved himself in international cricket and is a miles better batsman than any all-rounder of his generation in Asia.

That champions trophy knock was not a notable innings. In a lost cause hitting out to Fakhar and Shadab.

Bringing 5/6 innings for someone who has played over 100 international matches is nothing.

 

[tyron_woodley]

He has played 54 ODI's and 40 T20's. For how long do we have to wait? If he is smashing world class bowlers in IPL(T20) then include him in Indian T20 team but he is not so special in ODI's.

Here are Kedar Jadhav's stats

73 ODI's
Batting avg : 42
Bowling avg : 37

Pandya's stats

54 ODI's
Batting avg : 29
Bowlinf avg : 40

Jhadav;

1) fat
2) unfit
3) pulls a groin after every shot he plays
4) his bowling is pathetic
5) he lacks the power game
6) inflated stats only because he lived off big 3 from India
7) he was past his expiry date post 2014.

 

[choudhary6964]

Lol the guy is not good enough.He can't hit pacers.He is only good against spinners and trundlers.He should have been booted out long time ago if India is so talented and there are so many players are waiting why are they persisting with this hack.

 

[Mesozoic]

Lol the guy is not good enough.He can't hit pacers.He is only good against spinners and trundlers.He should have been booted out long time ago if India is so talented and there are so many players are waiting why are they persisting with this hack.

This is not 2017 anymore.

He has proven himself against pace too in the last couple of years. Cummins, Archer, Boult, Rabada.... you name it..he has smashed all of them.

 

[Super Santi]

Think he is a certainty for India.
Needs an extended run.
India need his power hitting in the middle order.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Jhadav;

1) fat
2) unfit
3) pulls a groin after every shot he plays
4) his bowling is pathetic
5) he lacks the power game
6) inflated stats only because he lived off big 3 from India
7) he was past his expiry date post 2014.

Hardik can't even inflate stats even after being super fit and super talented. Jadhav was Man of the series against England where he also played one of the greatest knock ever in a run chase. He declined only after 2019. Regularly played useful knocks for us in the lower middle order and he also got crucial breakthroughs time after time.

 

[Ab Fan]

Jadhav basically saw that Thala has been fooling around everyone from around 3-4 years, so he too felt capable enough to fool everyone for 1-1.5 years beyond his expiry date .

Together they wrote a script which our Padosis remember the most which was in the England game in World Cup. Fortunately, before they could read another script together, Jadhav was dropped in the semis and Jaddu was selected who atleast gave his best shot.

Good that we have moved on from them

 

[sindhiboy]

He is injured and not bowling as of now.
He has proven himself in england though

 

[tyron_woodley]

Hardik can't even inflate stats even after being super fit and super talented. Jadhav was Man of the series against England where he also played one of the greatest knock ever in a run chase. He declined only after 2019. Regularly played useful knocks for us in the lower middle order and he also got crucial breakthroughs time after time.

Jhadav was always a very very mediocre player and an abysmal athelte. He was never good to begin with. He is just lucky he played with brainless Dhoni who picks his favourites.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Jadhav basically saw that Thala has been fooling around everyone from around 3-4 years, so he too felt capable enough to fool everyone for 1-1.5 years beyond his expiry date .

Together they wrote a script which our Padosis remember the most which was in the England game in World Cup. Fortunately, before they could read another script together, Jadhav was dropped in the semis and Jaddu was selected who atleast gave his best shot.

Good that we have moved on from them

Jhadav was always a very very mediocre player and an abysmal athelte. He was never good to begin with. He is just lucky he played with brainless Dhoni who picks his favourites.

Kedar Jadhav's SR was 101, Dhoni's SR since 2015 was 82.

Jadhav isn't coming back now

But in whatever opportunities he got, he did better than Pandya. He was not a World class batsman but better than the most middle order batsmen who were tried in last 3-4 years including Dhoni, people's favorite Pant, proven failure DK, Tuktuks like Rahane & Rayudu etc

 

[tyron_woodley]

Kedar Jadhav's SR was 101, Dhoni's SR since 2015 was 82.

Jadhav isn't coming back now

But in whatever opportunities he got, he did better than Pandya. He was not a World class batsman but better than the most middle order batsmen who were tried in last 3-4 years including Dhoni, people's favorite Pant, proven failure DK, Tuktuks like Rahane & Rayudu etc

Rayudu is a far better player than jhadav.

Besides Rahul should have always played number 4 for India. Pandey is far better than jhadav.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Jhadav;

1) fat
2) unfit
3) pulls a groin after every shot he plays
4) his bowling is pathetic
5) he lacks the power game
6) inflated stats only because he lived off big 3 from India
7) he was past his expiry date post 2014.

This post of yours actually proves how bad Pandya has been so far. An unfit, fat and past his expiry date player has outbatted a player who is fit, energetic, joshila, janbaaz and next big thing in Indian cricket.

 

[Nadeemp]

He has dime better in ipl than international. Has potential. Just too inconsistent. If he was a Pakistani he would be playing for Pakistan. Pakistan lacks hitters.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kedar Jadhav's SR was 101, Dhoni's SR since 2015 was 82.

Jadhav isn't coming back now

But in whatever opportunities he got, he did better than Pandya. He was not a World class batsman but better than the most middle order batsmen who were tried in last 3-4 years including Dhoni, people's favorite Pant, proven failure DK, Tuktuks like Rahane & Rayudu etc

Jadhav was good till 2017. After that, he wasn't. More often than not, Pandya batted higher than him. If I need quickfire knocks, I would send Pandya ahead of him and Dhoni. If I need to build an inning, I would have send Dhoni ahead of Pandya and Jadhav. In neither of two cases, I can rely on Jadhav though.

This is why roles matter and it need to be assigned to everyone and you react accordingly to the situation. You can't ask a Klusenar to play the Kallis role and neither can you ask Kallis to play the Klusenar role.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Jadhav was good till 2017. After that, he wasn't. More often than not, Pandya batted higher than him. If I need quickfire knocks, I would send Pandya ahead of him and Dhoni. If I need to build an inning, I would have send Dhoni ahead of Pandya and Jadhav. In neither of two cases, I can rely on Jadhav though.

This is why roles matter and it need to be assigned to everyone and you react accordingly to the situation. You can't ask a Klusenar to play the Kallis role and neither can you ask Kallis to play the Klusenar role.

Sorry but that is a pathetic excuse. Yuvi, Raina and Dhoni all knew how to build partnerships and finish the inning. And I am talking about when they were at Pandya's age. For a start you can watch the highlights of India vs Pakistan matches from 2004-2006.

 

[Ab Fan]

Sorry but that is a pathetic excuse. Yuvi, Raina and Dhoni all knew how to build partnerships and finish the inning. And I am talking about when they were at Pandya's age. For a start you can watch the highlights of India vs Pakistan matches from 2004-2006.

Viru Bhai, this is not an excuse for Pandya. It is an explanation on whom would I or anyone prefer between Pandya and Jadhav at no.6 as per their roles.

Yuvi has 14 ODI hundreds. He is a middle order batsmen and a top quality finisher. Ofcourse, he is a far better batsman than Pandya. It's not even comparable. But Pandya is an all-rounder and will bowl 10 overs.

Dhoni is an ATG for all his exploits between 2004-13 although he should have retired after '17 max.

Pandya is comparable to Raina as I don't think Raina has played many knocks either where he had to build the inning. Imagine Raina being sent in place of Dhoni ahead of Yuvi and Dhoni in WC 2011 final.