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Is Hardik Pandya good enough to play as batsman in LOIs?

Pandya definitely hasn't been consistent. He has shown glimpses of his ability. I think it's a bit harsh to criticize him for today's knock as when he came in the game was impossible to winand it wasnt his fault he was in that situation. The top order failed and the bowlers and India fielded badly.

He still played a good knock and even if AB or peak Dhoni were batting in Pandyas position today the result would have been the same.

Pandya need to be a bit more consistent but I can definitely see him having a good LO career.
 
I've already pointed out why he can not be in the team as a batsman alone he's not even consistent he won't score any meaningful score in the next matches were all here too see his inconsistency will show.
 
Does India have any other lower order batsman that can accelerate? I can only think of Pant, unless you want to play Jadhav and Shankar..So I would say he would make it as a batsman
 
Ability wise he’s currently the best All rounder in LOI. Much better than the overrated Stokes.

I can speak for every Pakistan cricket fan and tell you how much we envy Indian cricket fans.

Watching Pandya bat makes me miss those Razzaq, Malik and Afridi days even more.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Ability wise he’s currently the best All rounder in LOI. Much better than the overrated Stokes.

I can speak for every Pakistan cricket fan and tell you how much we envy Indian cricket fans.

Watching Pandya bat makes me miss those Razzaq, Malik and Afridi days even more.
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What? Are you high?
Stokes is a legit ATG.
Pandya is pretty good. I said pretty*. He is no where near stokes.
He is around Neesham level.

He is not too tier. He is around above average but not great. He has to show more consistency to reach that status.
 
Pandya needs more consistency with the bat for sure but India were missing that extra bowling option in the field. Pandya bowling would at least give some rest and less pressure on Bumrah, Shami, Chahal.
 
Not good enough to play as batsman ONLY, needs to bowl and bowl well to have a place in the team. He is way better than Shankar or Jadhav but certainly not better than other lower order batsman like Pandaya, Pant, etc.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Dhoni batted at str rate of 67 and wasn't able to finish the match and if you are basing someones whole career on semis then even sharma and kohli ahould be kicked out of the team.
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O bhai he has already played 55 ODI matches. How many more games does he need? Even Yusuf Pathan used to play innings like these here and there. Still he was dropped by the team management when he was both bowling and batting. It seems you have different set of rules for different players. You want to give 100 matches to some players but will discard some players after 2 matches lol. And then you guys call yourself real cricket fans. :inti
 
TeamPak95 said:
Pandya needs more consistency with the bat for sure but India were missing that extra bowling option in the field. Pandya bowling would at least give some rest and less pressure on Bumrah, Shami, Chahal.
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True but India knows spinners are ineffective in Australia? Then why pick them? Bhuvi was badly missed but it is what it is.
No excuses. They got outplayed.

In Aussie condtions it should always be bumrah Shami Saini and someone like Shankar as he can bowl and bat. All about balance.

Never pick spinners for Aussie condtions.
 
I think he is, just give him time.

Rohit was averaging 30 after 80 odis, but India stuck with him and today he is a superstar.
 
Pandya is not spin basher, he is a spin murderer. Reckon only high rev spinners like Warne, Murali, Saqlain stand a chance against him. Rest of the ediocre variation bowlers he can smash at will from any length.
 
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tyron_woodley said:
What? Are you high?
Stokes is a legit ATG.
Pandya is pretty good. I said pretty*. He is no where near stokes.
He is around Neesham level.

He is not too tier. He is around above average but not great. He has to show more consistency to reach that status.
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How can a player be considered an ATG having played less than a 100 ODI’s?
 
tyron_woodley said:
In tests bro. aTG. Oh nevermind. You meant only in odi's.

Oh but stokes won a WC there too. So yes stokes is a legit ATG already.
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Ok, so playing well for 2 years is good enough to make you an ATG. In that case we can already call Babar Azam an ATG.

Stokes didn’t win the WC, England did. A teams achievements should never be used to define a players career. Rameez Raja won a WC, he ain’t no ATG
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
If its so easy to bash spin why other players fail in doing that.
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LOL you are talking as if Pandya smacked Murali, Warne, Saqlain, Vettori in the same match. If you really want to see how Indian players used to bash spin bowlers theb watch old footages of Sachin, Sehwag and Ganguly for a start. You can also watch footages of the player you hate the most in cricket. Compared to those spinners Zaman, Shadab, Maxwell and Zampa are nothing. It seems watching low quality cricket in IPL is affecting you. Get used to high quality international cricket because next IPL is still 4 months away. :inti
 
Even Yousuf Pathan has 2 hundreds in the chase.
One was against Steyn and Morkel in South Africa.
Hope Pandya proves me wrong with this kind of knocks in future.
 
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While India allrounder Hardik Pandya’s absence from bowling is hurting India, it is reportedly believed that he is making changes to his bowling action to avoid back injuries. The 27-year old is working at a more open-chested action. According to TOI, the Mumbai Indians cricketer is remodeling the bowling action and that is keeping him away from bowling.

“It’s a minor change. He is working on the counter-rotation from his hip. He used to exert a lot in the delivery stride and that used to put a lot of stress on his back. This (remodeling) is why it is taking him so long to bowl in matches,” source to TOI.

“It was always believed that his physique, his athleticism notwithstanding, was too frail to bear the kind of load that the team management expected him to,” the source added.

Meanwhile, Hardik showed his class with the bat in the opening ODI at Sydney against hosts Australia where he scored a brilliant 90 off 76 balls. His knock gave India hope after the Virat Kohli side lost four early wickets in a 375 chase.

Earlier, the star Indian allrounder underwent back surgery only in October last year, his lower-back troubles go back as far as the 2018 Asia Cup.

Due to the rehabilitation of the injury, Pandya missed the home Test series against West Indies and a T20 series in Australia after that tournament.

Pandya – who did not look at his best bowling-wise in the 2019 Cricket World Cup – made his comeback in the Indian Premier League – where he played an integral part for the franchise with the bat.
 
So India need around 10 an over for 15 overs with 6 wickets in hand on a very flat wicket. This should be ideal for a number 6 to at least get them close if not over the line. No excuses today about the target being ‘impossible’ so let’s see how he plays under pressure!
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] hope now that the match is completely lost, Pandya will hit some to show what he is capable of and get the moral of the nation high and you can praise him for this.

Otherwise was a good show of his average ability when needed.
 
He had the chance to at least get India close and because the match wasn’t lost, he completely bottled it. Removed any chance they had of victory.

Just watching him bat as he steps across and hoicks to the leg side is embarrassing. Australia telegraphed where they were going to bowl and he still had no answer.

Ofcourse it’s much harder when you’re not batting against part timers with nothing to lose.
 
I love his shots whenever he manages to smack them but....

That 4-over long humiliation by Cummins was :)))
 
Mobashir said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] hope now that the match is completely lost, Pandya will hit some to show what he is capable of and get the moral of the nation high and you can praise him for this.

Otherwise was a good show of his average ability when needed.
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Scored 28 from 31. Strike Rate was 90 when the required runrate was more than 10. But yeah he is comparable to peak Dhoni, Yuvi, Raina and Sehwag who won so many matches for India. :inti
 
Mean&Green said:
pandya is just a false hope he’s very entertaining to watch but not a match winner in any form of international cricket to say the least majority of his runs were off pie chuckers and a couple of nice shots off a terrible out of touch Mitchell starc. Though I rate his ability to hit spinners very highly but a smart spinner won’t let him dictate terms for too long like zampa just showed. Also he has a very nice pull shot against quicks but it always goes in the same direction he doesn’t have much control or placement in it. His offside game is extremely weak and it was shown today. He is bound to get injured with that 6”2 frame and 140 pounds of bones having him just as a batsman in the team and to expect him to do the miracles he does in IPL I’m afraid that is like having extremely high standards from a player of his caliber. Too sum it up he plays an innings like this every 3 years in a losing cause like viru Bhai said nothing to go gaga about here been seeing the same pandya for quite long now nothing special here.
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This one? :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Scored 28 from 31. Strike Rate was 90 when the required runrate was more than 10. But yeah he is comparable to peak Dhoni, Yuvi, Raina and Sehwag who won so many matches for India. :inti
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Was amazed when I saw the comparaisons with Yuvraj.
Yuvraj was an elite match winner in ODI'S. Pandya will never be at that level.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
This one? :inti
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Yes brother and another one where I said he won’t play another innings like this in any of the next matches I said we’re all here to see people just don’t understand it’s not about even hating it’s just a genuine observation when you’ve seen something bad for too long you do find out what’s wrong with it but some people just never Wanna believe it and start seeing kapil devs comparing him to sir kapil dev is like doing blasphemy
 
Pandya is a very good hitter no doubt. But being a good hitter and being able to consistently win games for your team are two different things.

He absolutely needs his bowling, or he will have a blow hot, blow cold batting career which will be hard to keep his position in the team.
 
Mean&Green said:
Yes brother and another one where I said he won’t play another innings like this in any of the next matches I said we’re all here to see people just don’t understand it’s not about even hating it’s just a genuine observation when you’ve seen something bad for too long you do find out what’s wrong with it but some people just never Wanna believe it and start seeing kapil devs comparing him to sir kapil dev is like doing blasphemy
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Kapil Dev scored 175* against Zimbabwe when India were tattering at 17/5 in the 1983 World Cup. We won that match. :inti
 
I repeat what i always say about him. anyone can hit the ball when the game is already lost.
 
He needs to massively improve his off side game against fast bowler. If he does that then there is no one stopping him. Today Australia exposed him
 
Mobashir said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] hope now that the match is completely lost, Pandya will hit some to show what he is capable of and get the moral of the nation high and you can praise him for this.

Otherwise was a good show of his average ability when needed.
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Pandya cannot win from some people who have decided that he is not a good player and will thus downplay every good performance and exaggerate every failure.

The fact is that India had no chance of chasing 390 against this attack. Even England wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

Had Pandya played another explosive innings, you and other would have repeated what you said in the first ODI - there was no pressure on him because the match was already over, Kohli was gone, it was the last recognized pair, he hit a few slogs with no consequence bla bla.

Now that he didn’t play well today, suddenly it became a winnable situation and now the narrative is that he was under pressure and couldn’t perform.

Laughable.
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya cannot win from some people who have decided that he is not a good player and will thus downplay every good performance and exaggerate every failure.


Laughable.
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Says the guy who applies the same mode of criticism on all Pakistani cricketers and all British asian cricketers.

Your hypocrisy is being exposed at another level today!
 
Rana said:
Says the guy who applies the same mode of criticism on all Pakistani cricketers and all British asian cricketers.

Your hypocrisy is being exposed at another level today!
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Because Pakistan is a rubbish team and most British Asian cricketers excluding 1-2 are rubbish as well.

Pandya is one of the best all-rounders in the world today and one of the purest ball strikers in Asia.

People are dismissing him but they would love to have someone half of his ability in the Pakistan side.

Maybe if we did we wouldn’t be such a pathetic side.
 
Mamoon said:
Because Pakistan is a rubbish team and most British Asian cricketers excluding 1-2 are rubbish as well.

Pandya is one of the best all-rounders in the world today and one of the purest ball strikers in Asia.

People are dismissing him but they would love to have someone half of his ability in the Pakistan side.

Maybe if we did we wouldn’t be such a pathetic side.
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Ouch, your in pain. The Indians are getting marmalised by the Aussies. The Ind bowling looks hapless, you could say rubbish.
 
He failed today. Indian batting in middle order is the weak point. Bowling is fine. These scores happen in flat Pattas.
Just need to bowl some variations.

Batting was pretty good but pandya bottled it. Poor effort today.
I suppose batting in the dark is much harder but still he should have done better.
 
Good performance by Pandya.
The best bowler from Indian side today.
Justified his all-rounder tag. What a player this guy is.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Ability wise he’s currently the best All rounder in LOI. Much better than the overrated Stokes.

I can speak for every Pakistan cricket fan and tell you how much we envy Indian cricket fans.

Watching Pandya bat makes me miss those Razzaq, Malik and Afridi days even more.
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Yes Stokes wishes he had a tenth of Pandyas ability. He is actually considering retirement knowing that he will never be good enough to stand up to the mighty Pandya.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Good performance by Pandya.
The best bowler from Indian side today.
Justified his all-rounder tag. What a player this guy is.
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He is as much as an all-rounder as Kieron Pollard is. He won’t be bowling conventional medium fast like he was in the past anymore it seems.
 
Rana said:
He is as much as an all-rounder as Kieron Pollard is. He won’t be bowling conventional medium fast like he was in the past anymore it seems.
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Read his interview where he was explaining hiw he is working on a new action and is keen to make a comeback at full pace.
 
India all-rounder Hardik Pandya returned to bowling in international cricket for the first time since September 2019, during the second One-Day International against Australia in Sydney on Sunday. Pandya bowled four overs for 24 and picked up the big wicket of Steve Smith. He could've had Manus Labuschagne as well but for the dropped chance by Ravindra Jadeja.

"It is a process," Pandya had said after the first ODI when asked where he was concerning a return to the bowling crease. "I am looking at a long-term goal where I want to be 100 per cent of my bowling capacity for the most important games. The World Cups are coming. More crucial series are coming. Whenever it is required

"I am thinking as a long-term plan, not short term where I exhaust myself and maybe have something else [injury] which is not there. So it is going to be a process, which I am following."

The sixth bowler has been a cause of concern for India in the ODI series so far. With his four lead bowlers struggling to make inroads into the Australian line-up, and Ravindra Jadeja going for runs, Virat Kohli on Sunday turned to Mayank Agarwal for an over before eventually throwing the ball to Pandya.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...alia-september-2019-smith/article33204826.ece
 
Rana said:
He is as much as an all-rounder as Kieron Pollard is. He won’t be bowling conventional medium fast like he was in the past anymore it seems.
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Looks like he is still working on bowling, need sometime.
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya cannot win from some people who have decided that he is not a good player and will thus downplay every good performance and exaggerate every failure.

The fact is that India had no chance of chasing 390 against this attack. Even England wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

Had Pandya played another explosive innings, you and other would have repeated what you said in the first ODI - there was no pressure on him because the match was already over, Kohli was gone, it was the last recognized pair, he hit a few slogs with no consequence bla bla.

Now that he didn’t play well today, suddenly it became a winnable situation and now the narrative is that he was under pressure and couldn’t perform.

Laughable.
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When I posted, he came in with 15 overs to play and roughly 10 an over required. India had 6 wickets in hand and an explosive/ set Rahul on the other end. The pitch was incredibly flat.

Please explain how India had no chance? Rather than looking at the overall target, look at the foundation given to a specialist big hitting number 6. Even if he had played a 50 from 30 type of innings, India would have gotten very close. If you watched the match, you could see the difference in class between Pandya and someone like Jadeja who was hitting the pacers out of the ground, whereas Pandya was premeditating and hoicking to the leg side, even after the Aussies has telegraphed exactly where they were going to bowl.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Good performance by Pandya.
The best bowler from Indian side today.
Justified his all-rounder tag. What a player this guy is.
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Your standard is pretty low. He was exposed badly today by Cummins. But still by using your logic and low standard even Moises Henriques justified his all-rounder tag today. He took a wicket and had an econony of 4.9 as compared to Pandya's economy of 6. Moises Henriques also scored runs with a strike rate of 200. :inti
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya cannot win from some people who have decided that he is not a good player and will thus downplay every good performance and exaggerate every failure.

The fact is that India had no chance of chasing 390 against this attack. Even England wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

Had Pandya played another explosive innings, you and other would have repeated what you said in the first ODI - there was no pressure on him because the match was already over, Kohli was gone, it was the last recognized pair, he hit a few slogs with no consequence bla bla.

Now that he didn’t play well today, suddenly it became a winnable situation and now the narrative is that he was under pressure and couldn’t perform.

Laughable.
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When Pandya came in to bat today, the kind of belligerent innings he is known to play would have made India win. It was well within the grasp if he had played the innings he is known for. It was tough but certainly not an impossible situation as you are trying to suggest.
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya cannot win from some people who have decided that he is not a good player and will thus downplay every good performance and exaggerate every failure.

The fact is that India had no chance of chasing 390 against this attack. Even England wouldn’t be able to pull it off.

Had Pandya played another explosive innings, you and other would have repeated what you said in the first ODI - there was no pressure on him because the match was already over, Kohli was gone, it was the last recognized pair, he hit a few slogs with no consequence bla bla.

Now that he didn’t play well today, suddenly it became a winnable situation and now the narrative is that he was under pressure and couldn’t perform.

Laughable.
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That's surely not my case.
I am well aware that Pandya has nothing to do with both defeats. But when you come in you play to try to win. In the first ODI, I have stated more that once he batted very well (don't care if it was Maxi, Zampa bowling) for his fifty in 31 balls. Because till that time he was playing at the right tempo to go in the direction for a win.
After that, scoring 40 runs in 45 balls was useless runs with the RRR going up to 12 and he was playing at a RR of 5.5.
If he was out for 50 in 32 balls it would have a been a better innings than his 90.

Today, it was impossible to win the match for him again, but a 10-12 ball 20 at least shows that the guy can play. What he does is to play a maiden over trying to hit every ball. NEver saw that happen to other good hitters.
 
Madplayer said:
When Pandya came in to bat today, the kind of belligerent innings he is known to play would have made India win. It was well within the grasp if he had played the innings he is known for. It was tough but certainly not an impossible situation as you are trying to suggest.
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Known for in IPL maybe because he hasn't played them in international cricket yet.
 
Mobashir said:
Known for in IPL maybe because he hasn't played them in international cricket yet.
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I meant he has played some belligerent innings for example in CT17 final and in the 1st ODI of this series. But those were hopeless situations. He fails time and time again when there is a realistic chance to win.
 
But but...he only performs once in 3 years according to some jokers :)))

:inti
 
Pandya was supposed to be our finisher but it is actually Jadeja who has been showing it again and again especially after that semi final knock. This was a good inning by Pandya but not an extra ordinary one. This is how someone like Pandey will play. :inti
 
Good innings but where is his hitting it was all Jadeja Pandya played at strike rate of like 115 190-200 is expected from him especially on a flat deck like it was all Jadeja
 
Mean&Green said:
Good innings but where is his hitting it was all Jadeja Pandya played at strike rate of like 115 190-200 is expected from him especially on a flat deck like it was all Jadeja
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Got tired in the end....not used to batting long innings. In last few years, the only batting he got is last few overs to slog both in IPL and for India. The potential is there and he will only improve from here. I would personally want him to play 1 season of county to get the endurance back.
 
Let me make it easy for everyone.

He only scored runs today because there was no pressure on him because it is a dead rubber.

Whether it is a pressure situation or not depends on how many runs he scores because some Pakistani fans have already decided that he is no good.

So if he scores it is a pressure free situation, but if he doesn’t then he crumbled under pressure.
 
Mean&Green said:
Good innings but where is his hitting it was all Jadeja Pandya played at strike rate of like 115 190-200 is expected from him especially on a flat deck like it was all Jadeja
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Have some shame.

He is miles ahead of Shadab, Imad, Faheem, Iftikhar, Asif, Khushdil etc.

Pakistani fans who think he is overrated are the same folks who would love to have someone overrated like him in lower middle-order.
 
Mamoon said:
Have some shame.

He is miles ahead of Shadab, Imad, Faheem, Iftikhar, Asif, Khushdil etc.

Pakistani fans who think he is overrated are the same folks who would love to have someone overrated like him in lower middle-order.
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He's better than all of them eyes closed I agree 100 hundred percent but I think he's on par with his good mate Imad they have the same type of antiques on and off the field
 
Mean&Green said:
He's better than all of them eyes closed I agree 100 hundred percent but I think he's on par with his good mate Imad they have the same type of antiques on and off the field
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Imad is Pakistan’s best all-rounder but he is not close to Pandya with the bat. No chance.

However, he is better than Shadab and Faheem.
 
Mamoon said:
Imad is Pakistan’s best all-rounder but he is not close to Pandya with the bat. No chance.

However, he is better than Shadab and Faheem.
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Power hitting maybe but in terms of scoring runs and strike rate I think Imad averages over 40 despite coming into bat at number 7 or 8 like also mamoon you know most of those runs have come against England your favorite team not zimababwe or Kenya
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] I just checked their stats very similar with the bat Infact Imad is a good chunk ahead with a much better average and strike rate is basically 19-20 in terms of bowling Imad is better to but going forward Pandya will probably be better. Also since when has the scope of comparison been with a Pakistani you should not compare him to Pakistani players Pakistan is a low ranked team his comparison should be with Jimmy neesham or someone like that lol who compares someone to players of low ranked sides if they are playing for a elite side. But I guess his level is that much only so it makes sense to be honest I see where you are coming from.
 
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Highest ODI scores for Hardik Pandya:
92*(76) v Aus Canberra 2020
90(76) v Aus Sydney 2020
83(66) v Aus Chennai 2017
78(72) v Aus Indore 2017
76(43) v Pak The Oval 2017
 
Hardik Pandya vs Australia in ODIs
83(66)
20(26)
78(72)
41(40)
48(27)
90(76)
28(31)
51*(57)
 
Mean&Green said:
Power hitting maybe but in terms of scoring runs and strike rate I think Imad averages over 40 despite coming into bat at number 7 or 8 like also mamoon you know most of those runs have come against England your favorite team not zimababwe or Kenya
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Imad scores runs but he doesn’t have the firepower than Pandya does.

If you need 50 in 20 balls, you back Pandya over Imad on any given day. His six hitting prowess is as good as anyone excluding English batsmen.
 
Interesting fact : Hardik (220 runs) has more runs than Smith (216 runs) in this series.
 
Mamoon said:
Imad scores runs but he doesn’t have the firepower than Pandya does.

If you need 50 in 20 balls, you back Pandya over Imad on any given day. His six hitting prowess is as good as anyone excluding English batsmen.
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Well one can only say when he does it until then he's nothing more than just "potential".
 
King_Kohli said:
Highest ODI scores for Hardik Pandya:
92*(76) v Aus Canberra 2020
90(76) v Aus Sydney 2020
83(66) v Aus Chennai 2017
78(72) v Aus Indore 2017
76(43) v Pak The Oval 2017
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A hundred is due.

This has started to feel desperate now. Hope ge gets one soo. Enough. Totally deserved a few by now.
 
All his high scores come at a very healthy strike rate too.
 
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