Is Haris Sohail's International career over?

[OmarKhan99]

You cannot establish standards when you are scraping at the bottom of the barrel. ECB could discard Hales because they are overloaded with batting talent in the shorter formats. They have more than a dozen modern batsmen.

"Standards" isn't the right word, it's principles. If your principles, or your code, is dependent on resources available then they aren't principles by definition.

Stokes did worse things than Hales but ECB did not pull the plug on his career because he is legendary material.

Did he repeatedly get involved in activities that genuinely break the trust of his teammates? That's what Hales' exclusion was cited to.

There are only 2-3 quality ODI batsmen in Pakistan and Haris is one of them. Pakistan cannot keep selecting inferior players just for the sake of team culture etc.

First, I don't actually believe Haris is disinterested, I was using your assessment as a hypothetical scenario. Second, yes you can keep selecting players who might be "inferior" in terms of "talent" but in practicality are better team players. In the long-term, they will actually produce more meaningful results. A perfect example of this are Umar Akmal and, to an extent, Mohammad Amir. What good came about from the fact that PCT supported someone like an Umar Akmal, much more than they ever did someone like a Fawad?

If NZ's recent Test Championship is anything to go by: Long-reigning/consistent collective good > short-term and individual brilliance.

 

[moghul]

That’s is the sign of rock bottom standard of the cricket followers in Pakistan , many of them believe in bringing back a failed player after failure of another . Harris Sohail is a pathetically unfit and chronically non-performing player who is much older than his stated age and should be discarded for good now .

 

[OMB]

Was part of the ODI series against England in July but has failed to retain his place in the upcoming series against New Zealand

 

[Sher Khan]

It's clear the chief selector does not like him. Haris has had many fitness issues in his career and this may well be the end of his international career.

However, you are kidding me if you think Saud Shakeel, Khushdil and Asif Ali are better ODI middle order batsmen than Haris.

 

[shamaan]

It's clear the chief selector does not like him. Haris has had many fitness issues in his career and this may well be the end of his international career.

However, you are kidding me if you think Saud Shakeel, Khushdil and Asif Ali are better ODI middle order batsmen than Haris.

Harris Sohail has shocking fitness issues even if it's medical reasons.bisicaly every person that doesn't be picked is not liked.

You obviously haven't seen Saud bat.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

It's clear the chief selector does not like him. Haris has had many fitness issues in his career and this may well be the end of his international career.

However, you are kidding me if you think Saud Shakeel, Khushdil and Asif Ali are better ODI middle order batsmen than Haris.

He went to England and then bang what happened to him without even playing a game….injured. It’s a waste of time and the space of a performer that he get selected. Agha Salman was a surprise omission for me.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Harris Sohail has shocking fitness issues even if it's medical reasons.bisicaly every person that doesn't be picked is not liked.

You obviously haven't seen Saud bat.

Well everyone saw in the England ODIs

Struggling to time the ball, weak individual.. NOT a modern day ODI player.

Needs more time with domestic cricket. Product of low and slow wickets , looks to me like another Fawad alam type cricketer who will score lot of runs that doesnt create any impact or turn into victory inns in LOIs

One of those accumulators, who would have done great if played in the 90s era

 

[shamaan]

Well everyone saw in the England ODIs

Struggling to time the ball, weak individual.. NOT a modern day ODI player.

Needs more time with domestic cricket. Product of low and slow wickets , looks to me like another Fawad alam type cricketer who will score lot of runs that doesnt create any impact or turn into victory inns in LOIs

One of those accumulators, who have done great in the 90s era

Yes everyone saw the calpse from the top order and the only person to show some resistance was Saud Shakeel.

Needs more time becouse 75 games is enough.

 

[Saj]

Not done that well in the QEA Trophy either.

Things not looking good for him at all.

 

[moghul]

Same old story, sense of insecurity , no one wants to retire gracefully . Forget about international standard, his fitness and form is not of FC standard either. Should be dropped from domestic team also, let a youngster have a chance.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haris Sohail's run of bad luck continues. He's contracted dengue fever and is expected to miss several weeks of domestic cricket <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1466855124551229446?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[gazza619]

^sorry to hear. He is just not made for sport. No luck whatsoever.

 

[PakLFC]

Over? It never started in the first place. He is too injury prone always holding some part of his body. The parade has moved on

 

[Junaids]

The ultimate garbage cricketer.

He had the raw ability to be an international cricketer.

But he was too lazy and undisciplined to maintain even basic levels of fitness with the result that he was in decline by his mid-20’s.

But he was not just lazy about his fitness but also about his technique.

Two years ago in Australia he scored something like 16 runs in 8 innings.

A pathetic apology for a cricketer.

 

[Sycamore]

This guy shouldve been probably the best pick for pakistan's middle order over the past decade not the likes of Azhar Ali and Shafiq, but what they have over him is their attitude.

I remember older trainers stating guys like Haris, Imad, etc having knee issues not training with the team.

Haris always kept extra weight on, and if you are prone to knee injuries then piling on extra weight is only going to increase your issues. In the end only has himself to blame.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Yes everyone saw the calpse from the top order and the only person to show some resistance was Saud Shakeel.

Needs more time becouse 75 games is enough.

talking about that scratchy 50, well that was give away too from England because he showed no urgency or grit or trouble the bowlers playing that 50

 

[in_cutter]

It's clear the chief selector does not like him. Haris has had many fitness issues in his career and this may well be the end of his international career.

However, you are kidding me if you think Saud Shakeel, Khushdil and Asif Ali are better ODI middle order batsmen than Haris.

The guy is useless and overhyped. I don’t blame the chief selector for not liking him.

 

[shamaan]

talking about that scratchy 50, well that was give away too from England because he showed no urgency or grit or trouble the bowlers playing that 50

When wickets are happening and your up against a good attack your job is to get a partnership going and that's what he did also it was his second odi. If you watched the game you will know England got bowled out for less than 250.he also took a wicket

 

[ElRaja]

every time i read the name haris sohail i just visualise a lefty knicking behind poking at a back of length ball on 5th stump

a more professional approach, greater mental and physical stamina and he might have been a test cricketer, hes pbly 35 now so doubt hell ever return

 

[Bewal Express]

A career that can be described as failure to launch. I never rated him as T20 player and bar the odd innings( NZ WC game comes to mind) he wasnt muchuse at ODI level either. He certainly should have done better at the test level but he awful dismissals in NZ put an end to that.

 

[MenInG]

Born: January 9, 1989 (age 33 years), Sialkot, Pakistan

Is time running out for Haris to make a comeback?

 

[gazza619]

Born: January 9, 1989 (age 33 years), Sialkot, Pakistan

Is time running out for Haris to make a comeback?

He was clearly not born in 1989 and that is also part of the issue.

 

[finalfantasy7]

He was clearly not born in 1989 and that is also part of the issue.

how old do you believe he is?

 

[moghul]

how old do you believe he is?

When he first surfaced as a "24 year old" he looked much older. No one should care how old is the player , if not playing in age limited cricket, as long as he keeps his fitness at the level of his stated age or better. It does not matter how old is he but his fitness is like someone in his mid 40s or worst.

 

[offstump]

I highly doubt we’ll ever see him back in pakistan colours again. He was given one of the longest leashes of any player but could not stay healthy, plus his fitness was very poor. Really a waste of an extraordinarily talented player, PCB also messed up his knee rehabilitation.

 

[Saj]

Such a sad yet frustrating story.

He made a comeback after so many difficulties and when his career was under threat. In fact at one point it looked like he wasn't going to play again after mis-diagnosis of his injury.

He worked so hard and made it back to the national team, but hasn't reached the heights he should have reached.

So much ability, but so many issues.

 

[ChTab]

I highly doubt we’ll ever see him back in pakistan colours again. He was given one of the longest leashes of any player but could not stay healthy, plus his fitness was very poor. Really a waste of an extraordinarily talented player, PCB also messed up his knee rehabilitation.

His international career is certainly over for Pakistan no doubt in that. In Pakistan cricket you can play for a very long time if you're fit despite being a mediocre player (Shoaib Malik). But in the case of Haris he cannot stay fit for 2-3 months but when he was fit he looked like a real talent in ODI & Test cricket. PCB really screwed him up with the knee operation as well.

 

[gazza619]

how old do you believe he is?

37. I would rather invest in someone else as his body and mind are fragile.

 

[Mirpur express]

Overrated & overhyped.. the age old problem with Pakistan cricket, I don’t mind raw talent like Haider or Shafiq given a run in the team as they are FIT , this guy was always unfit & very lazy too on top of that his body language was atrocious,
same goes for Imad

 

[moghul]

Such a sad yet frustrating story.

He made a comeback after so many difficulties and when his career was under threat. In fact at one point it looked like he wasn't going to play again after mis-diagnosis of his injury.

He worked so hard and made it back to the national team, but hasn't reached the heights he should have reached.

So much ability, but so many issues.

Yes, he was my favorite for a brief period of time as I saw a very talents , classic batsman with good technique after some times, but never knew he was a lazy and uneducated cricketer who had nothing professional in him . Fitness was the last thing in his mind and I heard he was a smoker also, unbelievable, if true.

 

[Naveedahmed1]

imad wasim is also a smoker as was wahab at some point

Still think there is room for harris sohail in odi

 

[Savak]

He hurt his reputation by failing in Australia, NZ and England in test matches. A flat track bully. Not someone you can rely on either. Good for the PCB to move on

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Wanted him in the team since 2012. Has been one of the most consistent batters in domestic circuit and one of the more talented. Injuries and poor fitness and management have been his bane.

He is one of the more complete batters in Pak as far as ODIs are concerned.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

His birthday is the same as mine, that's cool! (Jan 9)

 

[finalfantasy7]

37. I would rather invest in someone else as his body and mind are fragile.

how have you come to that conclusion, you said his body is fragile - i wont use the word fragile but i would us injury prone - and thr is a reason why he is - few of his muscle have teared - and they never fully repaired - hence the same injury occurs for him.

That's not his fault - this happens to sports people and when it does its restricts them in movement.

You said his mind is fragile - could you please further explain

 

[finalfantasy7]

Overrated & overhyped.. the age old problem with Pakistan cricket, I don’t mind raw talent like Haider or Shafiq given a run in the team as they are FIT , this guy was always unfit & very lazy too on top of that his body language was atrocious,
same goes for Imad

you've called him lazy, please explain - the unfit comment is based that he's had major injures which never fully repair - hence the same muscle rips - saj has also mentioned he was miss diagnosed.

please be careful with your language and using the word lazy and body language was atrocious.... but back up your statement - i would love to see how you claim to this conclusion

 

[finalfantasy7]

When he first surfaced as a "24 year old" he looked much older. No one should care how old is the player , if not playing in age limited cricket, as long as he keeps his fitness at the level of his stated age or better. It does not matter how old is he but his fitness is like someone in his mid 40s or worst.

im just curious on how someone always keeps writing on this forum that players are older than they claim - and they cant prove it but just says he looks older, i get told that im 37yrs old all the time, but im actually 34yrs old through my whole time people have said im older than my age - born in UK with a proper birth certificate - im taller than my age group throughout my whole life, when i was 16 i was 6 foot 1 inches now im 6foot 3 - when i was in primary school i was always around 3-4 inches taller than the average

 

[ExplicitAI]

An extremely talented batsman who could've easily reached the top 10 in ODI batting rankings but his horrible attitude to fitness and hard work has let him down. He could've been a vital cog in our middle order, such a shame that his career has gone to waste. Haris Sohail in full flow is a treat to watch.

 

[ARK Rafay]

He was good in CWC19 thought he will use that base to make himself a permanent part of Pakistan National Team for some time.

 

[Sher Khan]

Not selected against Australia. I hope we haven't seen the last of him, as personally I like him a lot.

 

[PakEngFan]

A wasted career. So much potential but injuries as well as lack of drive is also the reason. Should have been the second name after Babar on the team sheet as a batsmen.

 

[sweep_shot]

He is 33 (official age).

There is still time for a comeback.

 

[Sher Khan]

He is much better than the alternatives we have. I think it's worth persisting with him until the 2023 WC. But he isn't even playing in the Pakistan Cup, so I am guessing he has another injury now?

 

[Zaz]

He is much better than the alternatives we have. I think it's worth persisting with him until the 2023 WC. But he isn't even playing in the Pakistan Cup, so I am guessing he has another injury now?

I think hes done as a intl cricketer Wonderful talent but you cant have so little drive and poor fitness

If only his mentality and fitness was different hed be a permanent member of the odi team

This isnt the 90s anymore why you can take shortcuts or do the bare minimum n expect to be picked

 

[GreenKhan]

He was given plenty of opportunities to be Pakistan’s lynchpin in the middle order , but unfortunately fitness and form to a certain extent deserted him on a regular basis .

His test stats are very mediocre, average of 32, but he could have been a useful asset for Pakistan in the one day team at number 4/5 , with also a bit of his spin bowling thrown in .

If he can force his way in to the squad then the World Cup in 2023 could still be a realistic aim .

 

[shamaan]

He is much better than the alternatives we have. I think it's worth persisting with him until the 2023 WC. But he isn't even playing in the Pakistan Cup, so I am guessing he has another injury now?

The only things that have let him down is fitness and injuries.

 

[Kroll]

The only things that have let him down is fitness and injuries.

PCB also mismanaged his injuries @Saj

 

[Saj]

PCB also mismanaged his injuries @Saj

Indeed.

Operation in UAE which set his career back and meant he had to gonto UK to sort out the problem.

 

[Saj]

Nowhere to be seen in the Pakistan Cup either.

Career gone downhill is an understatement.

 

[Finisher]

 

[offstump]

Incredibly skilled but infuriatingly lazy. Harris could have gone on to have an illustrious career across all formats but sadly the work ethic was lacking. I know I know, knee injuries and the like set him back but if that’s the case then let’s end the debate.

 

[Saj]

I know laziness has been mentioned by many when it comes to Haris, but I think it's more than just that.

It seems like there is some mental block or other issue that has hindered his career.

 

[moghul]

When he started he had all the skill and talent to become a Pakistan great or something close to it IMO, but mentally he was not a sportsman , lazy , smoker, poor fitness led to his downfall , too soon.

 

[Saj]

According to someone close to Haris he didn't get picked by Balochistan for the Pakistan Cup despite being told he would be picked.

It seems there are issues between Haris and some of the Balochistan management which have not been resolved despite Haris asking the PCB hierarchy to get involved.

Tough period in his career.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I don't think its as simple as he's is lazy and is a smoker. Shane Warne was lazy and a smoker. He spent most of his career being downright fat. Didn't stop him from playing 145 tests. David Boon was a heavy drinker, smoker and lazy.

Inzamam, Yousuf, Ranatunga, Mike Gatting were all fat and/or lazy. Even Rohit Sharma has his belly hanging out.

Haris's biggest issue was with his knees. That derailed much of his career repeatedly. I don't know what the issue is most recently. But he seems like someone who is perpetually stuck in a start/stop position despite being one of the most naturally gifted batters in Pakistan.

Hope he returns to the ODI side atleast, because he is a great player to have in that format and someone who could be a highly important player for us at the next World Cup.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Im sure Pakistan will bring him back for the 2023 WC, these selectors are kittens.. They will drop him now, and at the end of the road when its for time WC and pak middle is still struggling , they will be on their knees to Haris Sohail..

 

[Saj]

Just noticed he outscored and outbatted Shan Masood in the Balochistan team at the National T20 Cup

Innings 7
Runs 209
Average 41.80
Strike rate 147.18

 

[Rana]

Just noticed he outscored and outbatted Shan Masood in the Balochistan team at the National T20 Cup

Innings 7
Runs 209
Average 41.80
Strike rate 147.18

Fitness is the issue

lol

 

[Sher Khan]

@Saj where is this guy these days? Doesn't seem to be playing domestic cricket either.

 

[moghul]

Fitness is the issue

lol

" fitness is the issue " for last 20 years,