Is India the most overrated team in last 15 years?

[jnaveen1980]

In T20 bilateral series have no value and the only T20 WC matters. We have done well for 2 T20 WCs than Ind. Just basic fact

Not true. India is slightly ahead. Infact all top teams are more or less the same.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

"Can't Teach Anyone To Handle Pressure": Rohit Sharma Laments After India Get Knocked Out Of T20 World Cup

ndia's dream of winning the 2022 T20 World Cup was crushed in spectacular fashion by England on Thursday. After India set a 169-run target, England openers Alex hales (86*) and Jos Buttler (80*) guided the team to a 10-wicket win in just 16 overs. This loss means that India's wait for a ICC title got extended by a year. India last won an ICC title in 2013. On Thursday, Indian openers Rohit and KL Rahul could not fire as expected. However, some rearguard action by Hardik Pandya (63*) and Virat Kohli (50) took India to a fighting total. But, Indian bowlers and fielders had a poor day as England openers made merry.

After the loss, India skipper Rohit Sharma pointed out the reasons behind the loss.

"It's pretty disappointing how we turned up today. I thought we still batted pretty well at the back end to get to that score, but we were not good enough with the ball. It was definitely not a wicket where a team can come and chase it down in 16 overs. With the ball we didn't turn up today," Rohit Sharma said after the loss.

"When it comes to knockout stages, it's all about handling the pressure. Depends on the individual as well. You can't teach anyone to handle pressure. When these guys play the playoffs in the IPL and all that, those are high-pressure games, and they're able to handle it. The way we started with the ball was not ideal. We were a little nervy, but you have to give credit to the openers as well. They played really well.

"When Bhuvi bowled the first over it swung today, but not from the right areas. We wanted to keep it tight, not give room, because square of the wicket was an area we were aware of - that's where the runs came today. If we keep it tight and the batsman still score runs, we'll take it. But we didn't do that today. In the game against Bangladesh it was tricky as well, but I thought we held our nerve that day, executed well."

NDTV

You can't compare the pressure of an international match with a low quality IPL match.

 

[Cricket_fan_2021]

This shows how the Indian team is ALWAYS depending on IPL as a metric to decide on players. Poor stuff.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Trophies are overrated. West Indies have 2 in the last 10 years, more than any side. However, they are still looked upon as a borderline minnow team.

What matters more is how consistency you beat teams across formats, conditions etc. over a prolonged period of time and this is where India has shown its class.

Trophies are everything. Because sport ultimately is about moments rather than soulless machine like consistency.

Man City are, year-on-year, the best team in Europe. But unless they win the Champions League, ten years fan the line, they’ll always be the team that never won the big one.

 

[ex-q-zit]

You can't compare the pressure of an international match with a low quality IPL match.

Why is he blaming the bowlers when he played a run a ball innings which severely crippled India's chances of making a 200 score. It was thanks to Pandya that India could post atleast 168 else it would have been around 150. The sqaure boundaries are just 60m and criminal to not take advantage of them instead of shifting blame on bowlers which are actually our weaker unit.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Trophies are everything. Because sport ultimately is about moments rather than soulless machine like consistency.

Man City are, year-on-year, the best team in Europe. But unless they win the Champions League, ten years fan the line, they’ll always be the team that never won the big one.

It has to be a bit of both. How would you feel as a West Indian fan this world T20 not even making the super-12? Should they just live in nostalgia? West Indian fans get agitated every match they lose. Even bilateral. They follow their game seriously.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

You play series to build your team and best 11 so that you can have your best 11 players in the field in events like WCs.

It's like you been studying day and night and still failing an exam.

"Failing an exam"? So every team that doesn't win the World Cup are failures? Lol.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

I think the correct word is overhyped. Different to overated. I would say saffers are highly overrated. India are way too overhyped by the media and their fans.

Of course Indian team will be overhyped by our own media and fans. Probably any subcontinent country would overhype their team too if they were in a similar situation. People from this part of the world lack maturity and are too emotional.

 

[Bewal Express]

Not true. India is slightly ahead. Infact all top teams are more or less the same.

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Bilateral T20 series have about as much value as a Maccies burger, nice at the time but leaves no lasting memories, a WC is remembered for decades and more

 

[Ab Fan]

Indian cricket team deserve this humiliation.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bilateral T20 series have about as much value as a Maccies burger, nice at the time but leaves no lasting memories, a WC is remembered for decades and more

Which team has done well in the WT20. So far only one team has won the cup twice. England/Pakistan/Australia/India one apiece. Next week it will be a second win for one of the two. Nobody has dominated world T20 as you try to imply. They all sucked in different periods to varying degrees. Sometimes they are in the process of rebuilding.

 

[Technics 1210]

You can't compare the pressure of an international match with a low quality IPL match.

Correct, yet IPL references from Rohit clearly indicate than the majority of Indian fans believe IPL is the perfect prep-ground for a WC.

 

[Kriketer]

The excuses run mill has started. Team got one of the worst defeats in the history of T20 WC. Same posters kept beating their chest when India wins. They haven't won any major tournament in a long while so in limited over they are just an average team who competes well but just doesn't have enough to be the best of the best. They choke when it matters hence the Choker tag suits them. Take a break from excuses and internet after a humiliating defeat, it will serve you well with the patch up.

 

[hitthestump]

Correct, yet IPL references from Rohit clearly indicate than the majority of Indian fans believe IPL is the perfect prep-ground for a WC.

This is where i think the problem lies. The BCCI have sacrificed cricket for money and it cannot be denied anymore.

There is a perception among Indians that they are the greatest and most powerful cricket nation on Earth. BCCI push this narrative hard as it brings them more and more money. But where are all of the results? They are on the balance sheets of BCCI execs and nowhere else.

I am sorry to break it to guys like Joshila and co. The money the BCCI makes doesn't go into your pockets.

 

[Bilal7]

Yes. Pakistan has a fraction of the resources of India and went through turbulent times but despite that, have done far better than this mentally-weak nation at our most popular sport.

 

[Ab Fan]

I agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

I would prefer to be like South Africa of 90s,2000s and 2010s than being a West Indies of 2010s.

Overall consistency matters.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You can't compare the pressure of an international match with a low quality IPL match.

I have heard that the Indians are following the lead of baseball and will call the IPL final the world series.

That way an Indian will lift a world trophy every year

 

[ElRaja]

I agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

I would prefer to be like South Africa of 90s,2000s and 2010s than being a West Indies of 2010s.

Overall consistency matters.

west indies of mid 2010s were t20 trailblazers, they will forever be remembered as a champion t20 team who set a new standard for power hitting, south africa will always be remembered as pereniel chokers, i have no idea why anyone would want to be the latter rather than the former, i certainly wouldn't.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].

I would prefer to be like South Africa of 90s,2000s and 2010s than being a West Indies of 2010s.

Overall consistency matters.

Why would you want to be either? Beats me.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

15 years means since the beginning of T20 adoption?

Against top 8 sides since T20 was included


INdia vs top sides in world T20

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India vs top sides in overall t20 including bilateral against top sides

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Yes Must be a seriously over-rated T20 side in the last "15 years"

You just proved my case. They're bilateral bullies who wins meaningless T20Is with 3rd/4th XI. Yet zero trophy to show

 

[Ab Fan]

west indies of mid 2010s were t20 trailblazers, they will forever be remembered as a champion t20 team who set a new standard for power hitting, south africa will always be remembered as pereniel chokers, i have no idea why anyone would want to be the latter rather than the former, i certainly wouldn't.

Because they have been a formidable test team in last three decades consistently and have won test series everywhere. They have also dominated most teams in LOI bilaterals and have fared well away from home.

A lot more pros than just being some kind of trailbrazers in T20 format. Also, I don't think it counts much for setting new standard in power hitting because their power hittings are mostly one dimensional with no innovations or freak ability.

At the end of the day, you play to win more, be consistent enough and people remember that this was one of the top teams, if not a great one. The current South African team are probably not but the earlier ones definitely were.

 

[ElRaja]

Because they have been a formidable test team in last three decades consistently and have won test series everywhere. They have also dominated most teams in LOI bilaterals and have fared well away from home.

A lot more pros than just being some kind of trailbrazers in T20 format. Also, I don't think it counts much for setting new standard in power hitting because their power hittings are mostly one dimensional with no innovations or freak ability.

At the end of the day, you play to win more, be consistent enough and people remember that this was one of the top teams, if not a great one. The current South African team are probably not but the earlier ones definitely were.

why bring tests into it? tests never had any championship games back then. if a format has a championship game, then winning that and being inconsistent is better than consistently being second or third best imo.

pollard, gayle and russell weren't freak t20 hitters? theek hai bhai, lol.

 

[Ab Fan]

why bring tests into it? tests never had any championship games back then. if a format has a championship game, then winning that and being inconsistent is better than consistently being second or third best imo.

pollard, gayle and russell weren't freak t20 hitters? theek hai bhai, lol.

Read the gist of this thread and the context of my post as you were the one who quoted me. This thread is about Indian team and not about white ball cricket and neither my statement about white ball specifically.

Don't know what is hard to understand here, personally I find it comical when someone says that they prefer being Windies of 2010s over South Africa lol. Yeah, let's be Pollard and Russell over Kallis, Steyn, ABD and Amla as that counts more.

 

[sam_ahm]

Look there is a difference between being consistent and being the best team. Last time NZ missed a semi final in ODI WC was back in 2003 (some of you may not have been born ) and in T20s it was in 2014. But how do we rate NZ? Do we rate them alongside India, certainly No.

So in a way, India is a bit overrated in white ball. Secondly, the kind of hype IPL gets, the so called talk about we can have 3 teams after every IPL, the number of A tours, U19 tours, infrastructure, player salaries and all that BCCI has done, the results in white ball formats, esp in ICC events have been below par.

The expectations from India are very high now. We can't say we are happy with being a semi final team. That's not what the public expects now. Given the millions they get, the expectations are also equally high.

 

[sam_ahm]

2010s was the best decade in Indian cricket history. That we all have to agree. 90s and even 00s were not that good. It happened due to a combination of a lot of things, most important was a set of unbelievably good players who were at their peak.

2020s haven't started off that well, except for that Australia series win, we have to see now if the next generation is capable of replicating that kind of success. It is not going to be that easy.

 

[ElRaja]

Read the gist of this thread and the context of my post as you were the one who quoted me. This thread is about Indian team and not about white ball cricket and neither my statement about white ball specifically.

Don't know what is hard to understand here, personally I find it comical when someone says that they prefer being Windies of 2010s over South Africa lol. Yeah, let's be Pollard and Russell over Kallis, Steyn, ABD and Amla as that counts more.

i explicitly mentioned t20s, west indies limited overs teams has achieved more than any south Africa limited overs team despite their inconsistency. west indies test team is barely above minnow level away from home for the last 15 years, comparing across formats doesn't even make sense.

 

[Ab Fan]

i explicitly mentioned t20s, west indies limited overs teams has achieved more than any south Africa limited overs team despite their inconsistency. west indies test team is barely above minnow level away from home for the last 15 years, comparing across formats doesn't even make sense.

Okay fine. But if you go back to my first post which you quoted, I said I would prefer to be SA of 90s,00s and 10s than Windies of 10s. So, I was referring to overall.

Winning WT20 tournament is a bigger achievement than winning bilaterals T20s consistency but losing WT20. However, it is not a bigger achievement than say, being one of the top teams in all format and not winning any ICC trophy during the given period.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think current India is a bilateral bully. They haven't won an ICC trophy since 2013. There have been 8 ICC events since then.

 

[Forum363]

Trophies are overrated. West Indies have 2 in the last 10 years, more than any side. However, they are still looked upon as a borderline minnow team.

What matters more is how consistency you beat teams across formats, conditions etc. over a prolonged period of time and this is where India has shown its class.

This CLEARLY shows your double standards where you pick a point of view to suit your agenda.

You went on and on about how Jofra Archer was the best bowler in the world not because he had some exceptional performance in his first 10 ODIs, but because those games were part of the World Cup and he led England to winning it. Similarly his performance in a couple of ashes tests that summer. According to you, that outweighed how rubbish he was for ages after and still rated his as the best bowler in the world.

Now you’re saying trophies don’t matter.

 

[90MPH]

Take it from me, I have been a cricket fan since 1992.

No one is going to remember a bilateral ODI/2020 series 10 or even 5 years down the line after it has been played.

But they will remember ICC tournament wins - because they are prestige events watched by all cricket fans.

India have massively underachieved in that area in the past 10 years, they should have won at least a few trophies so this will hurt them.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

India overrated ️
Massive Underachievers ️

Everyone rates India highly because of their skills and talents. With the given amount of talented players, India definitely ranks amongst the favourites to win every tournament they participate in. Players like Virat, Surya, Pant, Bumrah are hugely talented players, and with their impressive numbers, they are rated finely.

Problem with India is, they aren't performing when it matters the most, probably because of some psychological issues rather than their game play. We see players like Rahul who have all the shots in the book which has impressed icons like Brian Lara and Shane Watson. But, because of his psychological issues he is not able to perform it on big stages though he can smash same bowlers and teams in the bilaterals.

As Virat's name is mentioned by the OP, tell me another guy as consistent as Virat in limited overs cricket. He is rightly called as best ever t20I batsman. With such incredible numbers, he can't be labelled as overrated.

Cricket is a team sports after all. You need a proper balanced team rather than only 2-3 performing players. India is lacking balance in their team combination and carrying out of form players from a long time. They seriously needs, psychological coach rather than cricketing ones.

Despite BCCI having huge resources and talented pool of players, Indians have massively underachieved since 2013.

 

[Ab Fan]

We should play below teams from now on in LOIs :-

T20s :-

Gill
Shaw
SKY
Pant
Samson
Pandya
Axar ( in Asia)/ Deepak or Shardul(Outside SC)
Bishnoi
Arshdeep
Bumrah
Siraj

No Rohit, Rahul, Kohli, Bhuvi, Ashwin and Shami.

ODIs :-

Rohit
Gill
Kohli
Shreyas/KL
Pant
Pandya
Jadeja
Shami
Siraj
Bumrah
Kuldeep/Chahal

No Dhawan, Ashwin and Bhuvi here.

Pick right players for right format.

 

[Ab Fan]

Tests :-

Rohit
Rahul
Gill
Kohli
Pant(wkt)
S Iyer
Jadeja
Ashwin( India)/Shardul( overseas)
Shami/ Axar( India)
Siraj
Bumrah

 

[Pakhs]

India have been a consistent side the reason they have consistent players. But in T20WCs opposition load their teams with match winners the only time India had a genuine match winner who if comes off can not be out performed they won in the shape of Yuvi. Since then Kohli has faced majority of balls and not let the likes of Pandiya to come in early and have maximum impact. Kohli has given India at best par scores in WCs knockout which Indian bowling has not been able to defend.

Pakistan won against NZ because they were able to restrict them to sub-par / par total but India have not been able to defend par total that Kohli has been able to post. Yuvi in 2007 was able to get India to over par totals.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Take it from me, I have been a cricket fan since 1992.

No one is going to remember a bilateral ODI/2020 series 10 or even 5 years down the line after it has been played.

But they will remember ICC tournament wins - because they are prestige events watched by all cricket fans.

India have massively underachieved in that area in the past 10 years, they should have won at least a few trophies so this will hurt them.

Not world T20. It happens almost every year. What is special about it? Also it is an ultra short format.

 

[ex-q-zit]

We should play below teams from now on in LOIs :-

T20s :-

Gill
Shaw
SKY
Pant
Samson
Pandya
Axar ( in Asia)/ Deepak or Shardul(Outside SC)
Bishnoi
Arshdeep
Bumrah
Siraj

No Rohit, Rahul, Kohli, Bhuvi, Ashwin and Shami.

ODIs :-

Rohit
Gill
Kohli
Shreyas/KL
Pant
Pandya
Jadeja
Shami
Siraj
Bumrah
Kuldeep/Chahal

No Dhawan, Ashwin and Bhuvi here.

Pick right players for right format.

I think Ishan is a better bet than Pant in t20s. Pant can play the longer formats.

 

[90MPH]

Not world T20. It happens almost every year. What is special about it? Also it is an ultra short format.

It’s not about it being special, but it’s an icc world event. It stays in the memory. Bilateral series will be forgotten very quickly.

 

[Markhor]

Trophies are overrated. West Indies have 2 in the last 10 years, more than any side. However, they are still looked upon as a borderline minnow team.

What matters more is how consistency you beat teams across formats, conditions etc. over a prolonged period of time and this is where India has shown its class.

Bit of a false binary choice you're presenting here - either a team is a consistent bilateral bully with no trophies to show for it vs a terrible bilateral team with the odd trophy - and succeeding in both bilaterals and World Cups is asking for 2000s Australia. That's totally flawed.

England since 2015 have found the best of both worlds whereby they've a very good, though not invincible, bilateral LOI side with one 50-over World Cup win, a T20 WC runners up place, and finalists again in this year's T20 WC.

But make no mistake, if England failed to win a white-ball trophy after their Morgan-Strauss led transformation that would've been a big black mark on their record and you know it. Strauss explicitly set winning the 2019 WC as a goal.

Cricketers do not generally study W/L ratios like cricket nerds do online. South Africa have one of the best W/L ratios in LOI history, but I'd safely bet most of them would happily take a 10-15% hit to that in return for just one World Cup. The two greatest teams by most objective measures, WI of 70s and 80s and Australia of 90s and 00s, both have multiple World Cups to their name. South Africa of 90s and 00s don't carry the same reverence because they never got over the line after multiple high-profile chokes.

India's strong bilateral record is commendable but to be in the conversation of great historical cricket teams they must get over the line in a tournament. Given their wealth of resources, do you think that's an unreasonable bar to set ?

 

[jnaveen1980]

It’s not about it being special, but it’s an icc world event. It stays in the memory. Bilateral series will be forgotten very quickly.

No it doesn't. I don't recall any winners in this format. ODI world cup is the one that will stay in memory. This format is an over-rated format. I am in for entertainment. Even in the loss against England i kind enjoyed England's batting. Very entertaining.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bit of a false binary choice you're presenting here - either a team is a consistent bilateral bully with no trophies to show for it vs a terrible bilateral team with the odd trophy - and succeeding in both bilaterals and World Cups is asking for 2000s Australia. That's totally flawed.

England since 2015 have found the best of both worlds whereby they've a very good, though not invincible, bilateral LOI side with one 50-over World Cup win, a T20 WC runners up place, and finalists again in this year's T20 WC.

But make no mistake, if England failed to win a white-ball trophy after their Morgan-Strauss led transformation that would've been a big black mark on their record and you know it. Strauss explicitly set winning the 2019 WC as a goal.

Cricketers do not generally study W/L ratios like cricket nerds do online. South Africa have one of the best W/L ratios in LOI history, but I'd safely bet most of them would happily take a 10-15% hit to that in return for just one World Cup. The two greatest teams by most objective measures, WI of 70s and 80s and Australia of 90s and 00s, both have multiple World Cups to their name. South Africa of 90s and 00s don't carry the same reverence because they never got over the line after multiple high-profile chokes.

India's strong bilateral record is commendable but to be in the conversation of great historical cricket teams they must get over the line in a tournament. Given their wealth of resources, do you think that's an unreasonable bar to set ?

But they also bullied oppositions in bilaterals as well. They were the best side. They won it at home ground. Even in 2021 they were the best side. What happened to them? Didn't they lose to NZ? Australia was probably one of the worst side. They won the whole thing.

 

[docteurmanish]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

What changes u think india has to make . I feel

- players like Shaw , Sampson need to be in as they are good in power play and take aerial route
- mohsin , yash and other 145 k bowlers need to be brought in besides Umran . Indian love for 135 k trundlers is a major worry
- players like Hooda , Jadeja , shardul should be in any limited overs game . All rounders make a big difference and allow top fire approach of England
- coach has to have t20 mindset . Seems dravid is v conservative

 

[Ab Fan]

Bit of a false binary choice you're presenting here - either a team is a consistent bilateral bully with no trophies to show for it vs a terrible bilateral team with the odd trophy - and succeeding in both bilaterals and World Cups is asking for 2000s Australia. That's totally flawed.

England since 2015 have found the best of both worlds whereby they've a very good, though not invincible, bilateral LOI side with one 50-over World Cup win, a T20 WC runners up place, and finalists again in this year's T20 WC.

But make no mistake, if England failed to win a white-ball trophy after their Morgan-Strauss led transformation that would've been a big black mark on their record and you know it. Strauss explicitly set winning the 2019 WC as a goal.

Cricketers do not generally study W/L ratios like cricket nerds do online. South Africa have one of the best W/L ratios in LOI history, but I'd safely bet most of them would happily take a 10-15% hit to that in return for just one World Cup. The two greatest teams by most objective measures, WI of 70s and 80s and Australia of 90s and 00s, both have multiple World Cups to their name. South Africa of 90s and 00s don't carry the same reverence because they never got over the line after multiple high-profile chokes.

India's strong bilateral record is commendable but to be in the conversation of great historical cricket teams they must get over the line in a tournament. Given their wealth of resources, do you think that's an unreasonable bar to set ?

What if the Rohits, Kohli's, Shami, Bumrah win the 2023 ODI World Cup? Does that put themselves back in the conversation of great historical cricket teams?

 

[Markhor]

What if the Rohits, Kohli's, Shami, Bumrah win the 2023 ODI World Cup? Does that put themselves back in the conversation of great historical cricket teams?

Yes that's what I said.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think Ishan is a better bet than Pant in t20s. Pant can play the longer formats.

Ishan struggles on slow wickets and to improve his technical deficiencies, he has slowed down his game too and his strike rate. Pant also should be tried as opener as a final shot in T20s. The powerplays will really help him dominate the attack upfront and I also don't want two fat cricketers in my top 4 so better only one play.

I would probably go with Pant as opener and Shreyas at 4 against spin.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes that's what I said.

Okay, on England I do agree that 2019 World Cup win definitely puts them in the reckoning of the great white ball team but to be remembered as the third greatest white ball team after Australia (1999-2007) and Windies(1975-1982), they really need to win this World T20 tournament too.

They are not a great test team so with so many tournaments happening every year, they should have a WT20 tournament win otherwise just winning one World Cup doesn't really put them right up in top 3 because you could make a strong case for Pakistan in 90s or Sri Lanka in late 90s or India between 2007-11 too.

 

[90MPH]

No it doesn't. I don't recall any winners in this format. ODI world cup is the one that will stay in memory. This format is an over-rated format. I am in for entertainment. Even in the loss against England i kind enjoyed England's batting. Very entertaining.

That’s simply not true, it’s an ICC world tournament so they are not easily forgotten. Of course it’s not as big as an ODI world tournament.

However to brush it off similar to a bilateral series will not be the case.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You just proved my case. They're bilateral bullies who wins meaningless T20Is with 3rd/4th XI. Yet zero trophy to show

I shared world T 20 stats as well. Which team is under-rated in international then?

 

[jnaveen1980]

That’s simply not true, it’s an ICC world tournament so they are not easily forgotten. Of course it’s not as big as an ODI world tournament.

However to brush it off similar to a bilateral series will not be the case.

Don't care. Adding ICC infront won't make an yearly event of hit and giggle format won't make it memorable. Last year Australia won lol This year they are getting crucified. Next year some other team will win. How is t his memorable as against 4 year once world cup.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Don't care. Adding ICC infront won't make an yearly event of hit and giggle format won't make it memorable. Last year Australia won lol This year they are getting crucified. Next year some other team will win. How is t his memorable as against 4 year once world cup.

The funny thing is that since the first hit or giggle cup (as you call it) India haven't managed to hit and the rest of the world is giggling.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The funny thing is that since the first hit or giggle cup (as you call it) India haven't managed to hit and the rest of the world is giggling.

Rest of the world also went missing for several years in between winning one or two. Can you say anyone team dominated world T20?

 

[QuickCrick]

Trophies are overrated. West Indies have 2 in the last 10 years, more than any side. However, they are still looked upon as a borderline minnow team.

What matters more is how consistency you beat teams across formats, conditions etc. over a prolonged period of time and this is where India has shown its class.

In every sport it’s the trophy’s you win that are remembered, teams that are consistent but don’t get over the lines are known as chokers like the SA team from the 90s or bottlers like the current Indian team.

Also, we’ve been very consistent in major world tourneys in recent times, usually get to knockout stages so very harsh to compare us with the West Indies.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

India have been a consistent side the reason they have consistent players. But in T20WCs opposition load their teams with match winners the only time India had a genuine match winner who if comes off can not be out performed they won in the shape of Yuvi. Since then Kohli has faced majority of balls and not let the likes of Pandiya to come in early and have maximum impact. Kohli has given India at best par scores in WCs knockout which Indian bowling has not been able to defend.

Pakistan won against NZ because they were able to restrict them to sub-par / par total but India have not been able to defend par total that Kohli has been able to post. Yuvi in 2007 was able to get India to over par totals.

Kohli is a true match winner. So many Indian IPL-mega-stars own their career/money/fame to him.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You just proved my case. They're bilateral bullies who wins meaningless T20Is with 3rd/4th XI. Yet zero trophy to show

3rd 4th 11?

Countries usually don't play 3rd 4th 11 against India. You may be mistaken here.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kohli is a true match winner. So many Indian IPL-mega-stars own their career/money/fame to him.

Yes, there is none like him in India. Rohit is not even half as good, Warner has achieved more than Rohit in Tests and T20Is.

 

[MP2011]

It’s not about it being special, but it’s an icc world event. It stays in the memory. Bilateral series will be forgotten very quickly.

Indeed. In LoIs, only thing which matters is the silverware. If you don't win trophies, whatever else you do doesn't matter one bit. These best win percentages are just meaningless stats.

Also, if you are not playing to win the trophy the ultimate prize, what are you then competing for?

 

[Jazx]

Why is he blaming the bowlers when he played a run a ball innings which severely crippled India's chances of making a 200 score. It was thanks to Pandya that India could post atleast 168 else it would have been around 150. The sqaure boundaries are just 60m and criminal to not take advantage of them instead of shifting blame on bowlers which are actually our weaker unit.

When you loose a match by 10 wickets it will always be the bowlers to blame who were defending 168 which was not huge but was a fighting total.

 

[Jazx]

In every sport it’s the trophy’s you win that are remembered, teams that are consistent but don’t get over the lines are known as chokers like the SA team from the 90s or bottlers like the current Indian team.

Also, we’ve been very consistent in major world tourneys in recent times, usually get to knockout stages so very harsh to compare us with the West Indies.

Partially correct, yes trophies matters but still SA was the best limited overs team in 90s untill Australia took over in 99. Same way indian team chokes in every big tournament in last 10 years but still, they can't be considered weaker than west indies for 2 wc wins and pak inspite of performing better in last 2 t20 world cups.

 

[QuickCrick]

Partially correct, yes trophies matters but still SA was the best limited overs team in 90s untill Australia took over in 99. Same way indian team chokes in every big tournament in last 10 years but still, they can't be considered weaker than west indies for 2 wc wins and pak inspite of performing better in last 2 t20 world cups.

Winning a world trophy is the pinnacle. It requires you to perform your skills under immense pressure and only those with mental strength succeed. South Africa 90s or India post 2011 can’t be classed as the best because they haven’t been able to perform when it’s really mattered.

IMO both are the Tottenham Hotspur’s of cricket .

 

[Mamoon]

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What changes u think india has to make . I feel

- players like Shaw , Sampson need to be in as they are good in power play and take aerial route
- mohsin , yash and other 145 k bowlers need to be brought in besides Umran . Indian love for 135 k trundlers is a major worry
- players like Hooda , Jadeja , shardul should be in any limited overs game . All rounders make a big difference and allow top fire approach of England
- coach has to have t20 mindset . Seems dravid is v conservative

Get rid of Dravid, Shami, Ashwin, and DK immediately. Ashwin should only play Test cricket. Players like Shaw, Samson, Iyer, Kishan should get more opportunities.

Rohit Sharma should only play ODI and Test cricket moving forward. Give T20I captaincy to Pandya and also make him ODI captain after the 2023 World Cup.

KL Rahul should be retained because at his best he is a tremendous player and he is still young, but he definitely needs some mental coaching. He looked extremely nervous in all the big games and that has been a trend for a while.

Kuldeep Yadav need to given more chances. He lost his way after making a brilliant start, but I watched his bowling against South Africa in the series before the World Cup and I thought he was getting back into his old groove.

At his best, he is the best Limited Overs spinner in the world after Rashid Khan. He adds a new dimension to the Indian bowling attack in the shorter formats.

 

[Jazx]

Winning a world trophy is the pinnacle. It requires you to perform your skills under immense pressure and only those with mental strength succeed. South Africa 90s or India post 2011 can’t be classed as the best because they haven’t been able to perform when it’s really mattered.

IMO both are the Tottenham Hotspur’s of cricket .

Well, atleast for a t20 world cup i don't consider it as a pinnacle as any team can beat anyone on a day even if they are a minnow level. West indies won 2 world t20 titles but they never proved their supremacy or mental strength which you are talking about in any other series or tournament, they were just mediocre.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Well, atleast for a t20 world cup i don't consider it as a pinnacle as any team can beat anyone on a day even if they are a minnow level. West indies won 2 world t20 titles but they never proved their supremacy or mental strength which you are talking about in any other series or tournament, they were just mediocre.

Them minnows Windies. They don't know what a proper World Cup is....

 

[Majestic]

The only saviours for India in this tournament were Kohli, SKY, Pandya and Arshdeep. Rest all messed it up.

 

[jino]

If Indian team is over rated why Nasser Husain always says India is under achieving in T20 World Cup. He must be knowing better what he says.