Is Islam the only true religion?

[BreadPakoda]

Question for the Muslim posters here. Do you believe that Islam is the only true religion or are all religions true? I know that understanding of scriptures differs from person to person but would be great if some one can share references too.

 

[Musakhel]

Yes, Islam is the only true religion, all other religions may have been true originally but not today.

 

[Smbhayi]

to everyone their religion is true religion.. and to me it's Islam...

 

[Darkrai]

Quran is the only holy book that hasn't been changed over time because it's the final message from God, therefore it had to be preserved. From my knowledge Christian and Hindu scriptures informed people about the arrival of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). He was the final Prophet so Christians and Hindus have to follow the teachings of the final prophet and the Quran . Therefore, Islam is the most accurate religion.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Yes.

 

[troodon]

Any proof that Islam is a true religion? Why not Jainism, Buddhism or Sikhism?
[MENTION=142782]Darkrai[/MENTION], where did Islam and Hindu Scriptures inform the arrival of Prophet Muhammed?

 

[Bewal Express]

Yes! But I respect the others to believe what they want.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Quran is the only holy book that hasn't been changed over time because it's the final message from God, therefore it had to be preserved. From my knowledge Christian and Hindu scriptures informed people about the arrival of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). He was the final Prophet so Christians and Hindus have to follow the teachings of the final prophet and the Quran . Therefore, Islam is the most accurate religion.

As far as hindus are concerned, thats incorrect. We dont have any final prophet.

 

[cricketjoshila]

For everyone his religion is the true one and thats something others need to understand.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Any proof that Islam is a true religion? Why not Jainism, Buddhism or Sikhism?
[MENTION=142782]Darkrai[/MENTION], where did Islam and Hindu Scriptures inform the arrival of Prophet Muhammed?

Dont know about hinduism.

 

[Bosanquet]

Question for the Muslim posters here. Do you believe that Islam is the only true religion or are all religions true? I know that understanding of scriptures differs from person to person but would be great if some one can share references too.

The majority of my friends and family no longer believe in fairy tales. Personally I grew out of them by age 10. Allows me to celebrate every religious holiday equally; except the ones that require fasting or avoiding alcohol!

 

[Ronaldo7]

The majority of my friends and family no longer believe in fairy tales. Personally I grew out of them by age 10. Allows me to celebrate every religious holiday equally; except the ones that require fasting or avoiding alcohol!

So your parents were muslims but no are not? Just asking. Won't be judgemental.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Any proof that Islam is a true religion? Why not Jainism, Buddhism or Sikhism?
[MENTION=142782]Darkrai[/MENTION], where did Islam and Hindu Scriptures inform the arrival of Prophet Muhammed?

Please define proof and what you require as proof?

As mentioned people believe their faith is true.

 

[Gilly]

Christianity is the most honest religion
Hinduism is the most morally correct religion
Islam is the truest religion
Athesism is the most intelligent religion.

 

[Bosanquet]

So your parents were muslims but no are not? Just asking. Won't be judgemental.

My father was always atheist - born & grew up in a nominally christian UK family . My mother was non-religious earlier - especially while living here in London; but over the last 10 - 20 years since the death of my father appears to be going back to her Bengali hindu roots.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Christianity is the most honest religion
Hinduism is the most morally correct religion
Islam is the truest religion
Athesism is the most intelligent religion.

Out of interest what do the original Australians the Aboriginal people believe? Its good the white Australians have given back Ayers rocks to them which they believe is sacred. Do white Australians respect their beliefs?

 

[Gilly]

Out of interest what do the original Australians the Aboriginal people believe? Its good the white Australians have given back Ayers rocks to them which they believe is sacred. Do white Australians respect their beliefs?

Aboriginies are muslim.

 

[troodon]

Please define proof and what you require as proof?

As mentioned people believe their faith is true.

Proof as in where is the evidence that it is the one true religion? Did anyone ever see Prophet Muhammed talking to Angel Jibril? Any Miracle like Jesus did that others saw?

What makes the believers think that it is the true religion?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Proof as in where is the evidence that it is the one true religion? Did anyone ever see Prophet Muhammed talking to Angel Jibril? Any Miracle like Jesus did that others saw?

What makes the believers think that it is the true religion?

Again, define proof? There is no point wasting time when you cant confirm what evidence you require which will confirm it's the truth. Are you only asking for witnesses to miracles?

 

[troodon]

Again, define proof? There is no point wasting time when you cant confirm what evidence you require which will confirm it's the truth. Are you only asking for witnesses to miracles?

Show me something that tells Kafirs like me accept the divinity of Islam and Quran.

 

[Bewal Express]

Show me something that tells Kafirs like me accept the divinity of Islam and Quran.

You have the access to what we have and that is the Koran and Sunnah. If you are interested then read them and if your soul is destined, something will click and if it isn't then it won't.

 

[Mamoon]

This a pointless question on a forum with predominantly Muslim posters. If you are a Muslim, you believe that Islam is the only true religion - it is a very crucial part of the Islamic faith.

If you are not a Muslim, you have no reason to believe that, especially when you consider the actions of the Muslims today and the sorry state of most Muslim countries.

 

[QazzarFan]

to OP religion in whole is nothing but fairytales devised to control masses. Any religion claiming to be truest religion is blatantly demeaning human intelligence.

Ask a tribesman in deep Amazon forest who has never seen rest of mankind, whether he has heard of Jesus, Buddha , Krishna, or Muhammad and then ask him whether he would protect his kin, reciprocate with love to someone showing love to him and his family without a fairy tale book telling him to do so. You will get your proof

 

[PakLFC]

Yes of course it is. No point in believing in any religion if you don't believe for it to be the truth!

 

[Gilly]

This a pointless question on a forum with predominantly Muslim posters. If you are a Muslim, you believe that Islam is the only true religion - it is a very crucial part of the Islamic faith.

If you are not a Muslim, you have no reason to believe that, especially when you consider the actions of the Muslims today and the sorry state of most Muslim countries.

That would make you a bigot.

 

[Mamoon]

That would make you a bigot.

Which is true. Islam is by definition a self-righteous and discriminatory religion. Any religion that claims it is the one and only way to reach God cannot be defined in other terms.

 

[last_knight]

Islam and Christianity, both are true religions. In fact most religions are TRUE. No doubt about that.

Only difference is the level for saturation of truth. Islam is completely saturated and is THE COMPLETE truth.

OTOH, Christianity is a truth that's not completely saturated hence an incomplete truth (still its a true religion nevertheless).

 

[Bewal Express]

Which is true. Islam is by definition a self-righteous and discriminatory religion. Any religion that claims it is the one and only way to reach God cannot be defined in other terms.

Can I come and practice as a Doctor tomorrow in your place of work? Maybe I could operate on a few people, If not why not?

 

[Bewal Express]

Please don't say I can't because that will be discriminatory

 

[Mamoon]

Can I come and practice as a Doctor tomorrow in your place of work? Maybe I could operate on a few people, If not why not?

Your analogy doesn’t make, although I would like you to elaborate on it.

 

[Bewal Express]

Your analogy doesn’t make, although I would like you to elaborate on it.

No it's. Simple question, can I come practice as a Doctor?If not, why not?

 

[Mamoon]

No it's. Simple question, can I come practice as a Doctor?If not, why not?

No, because like most jobs, it requires formal education and training. How is this relevant to the belief that Islam is the only true religion?

 

[last_knight]

No, because like most jobs, it requires formal education and training. How is this relevant to the belief that Islam is the only true religion?

Relevant if this statement starts from you proactively. It's not relevant if this statement is reactive. But when you say it proactively, you are being self righteous and discriminating.

 

[shaz619]

Which is true. Islam is by definition a self-righteous and discriminatory religion. Any religion that claims it is the one and only way to reach God cannot be defined in other terms.

You claim to be a muslim right? why do you post like a kaffir then if you don't mind me asking

 

[Bewal Express]

No, because like most jobs, it requires formal education and training. How is this relevant to the belief that Islam is the only true religion?

But isn't that discriminatory?

 

[troodon]

Islam and Christianity, both are true religions. In fact most religions are TRUE. No doubt about that.

Only difference is the level for saturation of truth. Islam is completely saturated and is THE COMPLETE truth.

OTOH, Christianity is a truth that's not completely saturated hence an incomplete truth (still its a true religion nevertheless).

How do you know they are the only true religions? They have been on Earth only for 2000 yrs now. Humanity is a lot older than that.

I have asked this before. What makes the believers believe that their religion is the only truth and rest are going to hell?

 

[troodon]

^ Also, what if Judaism is the only true religion and the rest of Middle Eastern origin religion are just cults? Didn't God tell Jews that they are the chosen people?

 

[Bewal Express]

How do you know they are the only true religions? They have been on Earth only for 2000 yrs now. Humanity is a lot older than that.

I have asked this before. What makes the believers believe that their religion is the only truth and rest are going to hell?

Religion is a matter of faith, you cannot prove or disprove whether yours is the one until you die.

 

[last_knight]

How do you know they are the only true religions? They have been on Earth only for 2000 yrs now. Humanity is a lot older than that.

I have asked this before. What makes the believers believe that their religion is the only truth and rest are going to hell?

Read first para again. I said MOST of religions are true.

 

[troodon]

Religion is a matter of faith, you cannot prove or disprove whether yours is the one until you die.

So you are saying that it is just faith without an ounce of evidence. So people who die in the name of religion are just wackos.

 

[troodon]

Religion is a matter of faith, you cannot prove or disprove whether yours is the one until you die.

Nobody has comeback from death to confirm if God even exists. So people who claim that a hell and heaven exist are simply selling snake oil.

 

[Bewal Express]

So you are saying that it is just faith without an ounce of evidence. So people who die in the name of religion are just wackos.

If don't accept the scriptures then it's very difficult to prove in the rationalist sense. If you are talking about the morons that kill innocent people in the name religion then I am with you

 

[troodon]

Read first para again. I said MOST of religions are true.

How do you know how much saturation of truth is there in each religion you are talking about?

You cannot depend and waste your life on assumptions. Unless there is a strong evidence, you cannot devote your life to something based on blind faith.

 

[last_knight]

How do you know they are the only true religions? They have been on Earth only for 2000 yrs now. Humanity is a lot older than that.

I have asked this before. What makes the believers believe that their religion is the only truth and rest are going to hell?

You are correlating truthiness of religion with Heaven/Hell. That's a common but distorted concept.

Who goes to Heaven is not exclusively coupled to truthiness of one's religion. It's about balance of good and bad deeds, whichever outweighs other.

 

[last_knight]

How do you know how much saturation of truth is there in each religion you are talking about?

You cannot depend and waste your life on assumptions. Unless there is a strong evidence, you cannot devote your life to something based on blind faith.

To be aware of saturation is a long journey of course. It's not a relay-spot where you will get the package as a whole.

When we amputate a leg above knee, we as doctors know its true thing to do. Before the journey through medical schools, We didn't know why is this true. Since its not a relay-point package, we can't explain it to someone who has never been through this journey. So its unexplainable.

 

[Mamoon]

But isn't that discriminatory?

No it is not, because the difference between a doctor and a non-doctor can be proved. However, the belief that Islam is the only true religion in the world cannot be proved - that is why it is called faith. If it can be proved that Islam is the only true way to reach God, it will not be discriminatory.

 

[Mamoon]

You claim to be a muslim right? why do you post like a kaffir then if you don't mind me asking

I think this is a very-narrow minded assessment. I am a Muslim but I cannot prove that I am on the right track. It is simply a matter of faith. I might be right and I might be wrong, but I cannot prove it either way.

However, I am not comfortable with the notion that only Muslims are eligible to go to heaven and any non-believer, no matter how great his/her services have been to humanity and this world, is not eligible to go to Heaven unless he believes in Islam. That sounds extremely unfair to me.

 

[Mamoon]

Relevant if this statement starts from you proactively. It's not relevant if this statement is reactive. But when you say it proactively, you are being self righteous and discriminating.

Please elaborate further.

 

[Bewal Express]

No it is not, because the difference between a doctor and a non-doctor can be proved. However, the belief that Islam is the only true religion in the world cannot be proved - that is why it is called faith. If it can be proved that Islam is the only true way to reach God, it will not be discriminatory.

Finally you get to my point- Doctors have qualifications which keep out People that are not competent, it's logically discriminatory but we accept it. Allah has a set of rules and we Muslims believe that if we obey enough of those rules( revealed through Koran and Sunnah) we will go to Jannat.
Religion is a matter of faith and my own feeling is that if Allah wills you keep the faith, I don't want to state the obvious but yours is a crisis of faith and IA you come through it but ignore the actions of Muslim countries( I find Hazrat Ali's letter to the governor of Cairo helps when I hate Muslim govts and I need a reminder of what it should be like) and Muslims individuals Whose actions are out of the control of you or me and they will have to face the consequences.
I suggest that you find your own peace with Allah.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I think this is a very-narrow minded assessment. I am a Muslim but I cannot prove that I am on the right track. It is simply a matter of faith. I might be right and I might be wrong, but I cannot prove it either way.

However, I am not comfortable with the notion that only Muslims are eligible to go to heaven and any non-believer, no matter how great his/her services have been to humanity and this world, is not eligible to go to Heaven unless he believes in Islam. That sounds extremely unfair to me.

So you're agnostic. Why don't you just say it?
If a person has a doubt if god exists or if God doesn't , they're referred to as agnostic. It is clear from your post coz you say that you might be wrong or right.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I think this is a very-narrow minded assessment. I am a Muslim but I cannot prove that I am on the right track. It is simply a matter of faith. I might be right and I might be wrong, but I cannot prove it either way.

However, I am not comfortable with the notion that only Muslims are eligible to go to heaven and any non-believer, no matter how great his/her services have been to humanity and this world, is not eligible to go to Heaven unless he believes in Islam. That sounds extremely unfair to me.

For the second paragraph, if someone doesn't believe in ALLAH and they don't believe that their blessings are because of Allah's rehmat, then no matter what they achieve in this life is considered futile.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ali’s Letter to Malik al-Ashtar: The Richest Treasure

Be it known to you, O, Malik, that I am sending you as Governor to a country which in the past has experienced both just and unjust rule. Men will scrutinise your actions with a searching eye, even as you used to scrutinise the actions of those before you, and speak of you even as you did speak of them.

The fact is that the public speak well of only those who do good. It is they who furnish the proof of your actions. Hence the richest treasure that you may covet would be the treasure of good deeds. Keep your desires under control and deny yourself that which you have been prohibited from, for, by such abstinence alone, you will be able to distinguish between what is good to them and what is not.
Develop in your heart the feeling of love for your people and let it be the source of kindliness and blessing to them. Do not behave with them like a barbarian, and do not appropriate to yourself that which belongs to them. Remember that the citizens of the state are of two categories. They are either your brethren in religion or your brethren in kind. They are subject to infirmities and liable to commit mistakes.

Some indeed do commit mistakes. But forgive them even as you would like God to forgive you. Bear in mind that you are placed over them, even as I am placed over you. And then there is God even above him who has given you the position of a Governor in order that you may look after those under you and to be sufficient unto them. And you will be judged by what you do for them.

Do not set yourself against God, for neither do you possess the strength to shield yourself against His displeasure, nor can you place yourself outside the pale of His mercy and forgiveness. Do not feel sorry over any act of forgiveness, nor rejoice over any punishment that you may mete out to any one. Do not rouse yourself to anger, for no good will come out of it.
Do not say: “I am your overlord and dictator, and that you should, therefore, bow to my commands”, as that will corrupt your heart, weaken your faith in religion and create disorder in the state. Should you be elated by power, ever feel in your mind the slightest symptoms of pride and arrogance, then look at the power and majesty of the Divine governance of the Universe over which you have absolutely no control.

It will restore the sense of balance to your wayward intelligence and give you the sense of calmness and affability.

Beware! Never put yourself against the majesty and grandeur of God and never imitate His omnipotence; for God has brought low every rebel of God and every tyrant of man.
Let your mind respect through your actions the rights of God and the rights of man, and likewise, persuade your companions and relations to do likewise. For, otherwise, you will be doing injustice to yourself and injustice to humanity. Thus both man and God will turn unto your enemies. There is no hearing anywhere for one who makes an enemy of God himself. He will be regarded as one at war with God until he feels contrition and seeks forgiveness. Nothing deprives man of divine blessings or excites divine wrath against him more easily than cruelty. Hence it is, that God listens to the voice of the oppressed and waylays the oppressor.

 

[Ronaldo7]

So you're agnostic. Why don't you just say it?
If a person has a doubt if god exists or if God doesn't , they're referred to as agnostic. It is clear from your post coz you say that you might be wrong or right.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] The reason I'm saying this is because you shouldn't be a munafiq. If you are in doubt then ask innit. Being a munafiq is the worst of the worst.
Just helping not being judgemental.

 

[Musakhel]

And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers [Aal Imraan 3:85]

It was reported from Abu Hurayrag that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: By the One is Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, not one of this nation, Jew or Christian, will hear of me and will die without having believed in that with which I have been sent, but he will be one of the dwellers of Hell fire.

(Narrated by Muslim, 153)

 

[Mp812]

Can I come and practice as a Doctor tomorrow in your place of work? Maybe I could operate on a few people, If not why not?

Would you let someone who is not a doctor operate upon you.if not why not?

 

[Bewal Express]

Would you let someone who is not a doctor operate upon you.if not why not?

The point I was trying to make was about discrimination and rules. Just like Doctors have their rules( and having rules is not discrimination) and they are accepted, so does Allah.

 

[gazza619]

I think this is a very-narrow minded assessment. I am a Muslim but I cannot prove that I am on the right track. It is simply a matter of faith. I might be right and I might be wrong, but I cannot prove it either way.

However, I am not comfortable with the notion that only Muslims are eligible to go to heaven and any non-believer, no matter how great his/her services have been to humanity and this world, is not eligible to go to Heaven unless he believes in Islam. That sounds extremely unfair to me.

Sorry the moment you say ‘i might be wrong’, that doesn't constitute faith.

 

[WC-Passion]

If you're a Muslim you'll say yes. If not, you'll say no. It's really as simple as that. The whole idea is that Islam's holy book is the only one that wasn't tampered with to make it incorrect, and therefore, it tells us of the true religion God wants us to believe in.

 

[James]

For those who hold a monotheistic view of the universe, then yes probably it is, as Islam is the final completed form of a single human faith that evolved from Judaism through to Christianity and then finally into Islam.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

yep Islam is the only true religion.Those who are disbelievers will burn in fire for eternity.

 

[Stewie]

To their followers, ALL religions are the one true religion and the rest are fake.. that’s what faith is.. this is such a useless question to ask or point to discuss here!

If you want to have a meaningful and useful discussion, try to find common grounds so we can celebrate the aspects that bind us rather than pick on the differences that cause the divisiveness and fighting!

 

[Romali_rotti]

Zakir Zaik should be able to answer this question 2 + 2 = 4... lol


Now to the topic:

Nothing wrong with followers of any faith believing their religion is the truth, however 1 thing all religions have in common:

- No proof Muhammad went to heaven on a winged horse
- No proof Jesus rose from the dead.
- No proof Moses splitting the sea.
- No proof Krishna performed miracles.

ETC

We believe and hope it is the truth, that is all a human can comprehend.

No religious book offers any proof, each to their own..

 

[tonmoy]

Quran is the only holy book that hasn't been changed over time because it's the final message from God, therefore it had to be preserved. From my knowledge Christian and Hindu scriptures informed people about the arrival of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). He was the final Prophet so Christians and Hindus have to follow the teachings of the final prophet and the Quran . Therefore, Islam is the most accurate religion.

False....
Please read up on how Quran was published.

Also there are different recitation of Quran that you can buy even today. The two most common are Hafs and Warsh Quran.

 

[tonmoy]

Zakir Zaik should be able to answer this question 2 + 2 = 4... lol


Now to the topic:

Nothing wrong with followers of any faith believing their religion is the truth, however 1 thing all religions have in common:

- No proof Muhammad went to heaven on a winged horse
- No proof Jesus rose from the dead.
- No proof Moses splitting the sea.
- No proof Krishna performed miracles.

ETC

We believe and hope it is the truth, that is all a human can comprehend.

No religious book offers any proof, each to their own..

1/ You forgot the splitting of the moon which was not witnessed by any independent source in the world.
2/ The funniest story is that of Yazuz Mazuz... How can people believe in something like this in todays world baffles me

 

[Madplayer]

For everyone his religion is the true one and thats something others need to understand.

This is one thing i agree with Joshila sahb on.

I am not sure what the purpose of the thread it when it is clear as daylight that every believer would say that his faith is the true one.

 

[Madplayer]

1/ You forgot the splitting of the moon which was not witnessed by any independent source in the world.
2/ The funniest story is that of Yazuz Mazuz... How can people believe in something like this in todays world baffles me

Story of Yajuj Majuj is funny to you? You must be a sadist then.

 

[Khan12]

1/ You forgot the splitting of the moon which was not witnessed by any independent source in the world.
2/ The funniest story is that of Yazuz Mazuz... How can people believe in something like this in todays world baffles me

What do you believe in?

 

[MenInG]

Story of Yajuj Majuj is funny to you? You must be a sadist then.

A few of the concepts, in my view, are abstract.

 

[MenInG]

False....
Please read up on how Quran was published.

Also there are different recitation of Quran that you can buy even today. The two most common are Hafs and Warsh Quran.

recitation vs content?

 

[MenInG]

Zakir Zaik should be able to answer this question 2 + 2 = 4... lol


Now to the topic:

Nothing wrong with followers of any faith believing their religion is the truth, however 1 thing all religions have in common:

- No proof Muhammad went to heaven on a winged horse
- No proof Jesus rose from the dead.
- No proof Moses splitting the sea.
- No proof Krishna performed miracles.

ETC

We believe and hope it is the truth, that is all a human can comprehend.

No religious book offers any proof, each to their own..

And thus endeth this debate

 

[cricketjoshila]

And thus endeth this debate

Where was the debate to start with? There is a reason why religion is also called faith.

 

[Mamoon]

So you're agnostic. Why don't you just say it?
If a person has a doubt if god exists or if God doesn't , they're referred to as agnostic. It is clear from your post coz you say that you might be wrong or right.

In very simple words, agnostic is a person who doubts the existence of God's. I don't have any doubts in my heart - I used to, but I have been through experiences which have confirmed my belief that there is a higher power. However, I cannot prove that Islam is the only true religion and the only way to reach God. I think that is the case, but I cannot convince anyone who doesn't believe in the self-righteousness of Islam.

For the second paragraph, if someone doesn't believe in ALLAH and they don't believe that their blessings are because of Allah's rehmat, then no matter what they achieve in this life is considered futile.

So the Almighty does not care about humanity and people who have served His greatest creation? Is there no reward for that?

People like Mother Teresa, Bill Gates - who has helped eradicate polio from all but three countries (Pakistan, Afghanistan and Nigeria), Norman Borlaug - who saved billions of people from starvation, Wright brothers - whose invention allowed millions and millions to go to Hajj and etc. are condemned to eternal Hell because they did not believe in God or did not follow the religion of his preference?

What about the people who invented anaesthesia, which has allowed millions of Muslims to undergo surgery without pain, including the very Mullahs who criticise and spread hate against non-Muslims? What about the person who invented glasses that has enabled millions of Muslims, including Mullahs, to read the Quran?

Are these people destined to be roasted and barbecued in Hell? Does this look like justice to you?

 

[Musakhel]

False....
Please read up on how Quran was published.

Also there are different recitation of Quran that you can buy even today. The two most common are Hafs and Warsh Quran.

Different recitations exist in every country, a Senegalese will recite the Quran differently to an Iraqi, the Words however are the same.

Preservation of Quran was through mass transmission, thousands of memorisers, when many of them started to die, Uthman ordered the Quran be written down.

 

[Mamoon]

Sorry the moment you say ‘i might be wrong’, that doesn't constitute faith.

Why can't we entertain the possibility that we might be wrong? Yes it is our faith, but faith can be wrong as well. Perhaps if Muslims start to explore this possibility, they might get off their high horses and not condemn everyone to hellfire because they do not believe in Islam. This will also promote tolerance in our society and people will actually start to respect other religions and other faiths.

Remember, even Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) prayed for his forgiveness, even though he was told by God that the entire universe was created for him and no man before or after him will have the same exalted status as he does. Yet, those words were not enough for him to not worry about his own fate.

As Muslims, it is important for us to believe that we are on the right path, because if we don't have that faith we are not Muslims to begin with. However, it will not be wrong for us to admit that there is a possibility that we might be wrong in the assuming that all other religions are wrong and no matter how good and pious you are, if you are not a Muslim, you cannot go to Heaven.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] The reason I'm saying this is because you shouldn't be a munafiq. If you are in doubt then ask innit. Being a munafiq is the worst of the worst.
Just helping not being judgemental.

You don't know what munafiq (hypocrite) means.

 

[Mamoon]

Finally you get to my point- Doctors have qualifications which keep out People that are not competent, it's logically discriminatory but we accept it. Allah has a set of rules and we Muslims believe that if we obey enough of those rules( revealed through Koran and Sunnah) we will go to Jannat.

There is a fundamental flaw in your argument. Keeping people out based on their competencies (education, training etc.) is not discrimination, because these can be easily verified and proved. However, religion cannot be - there is no proof that God exists and there is no proof that Islam is the only true religion. It is all based on faith, and keeping people out based on faith and what you believe in is discriminatory.

If it can be proved that God exists and Islam is the true religion, just like it can be proved that a doctor has the competency to treat a patient that a non-doctor does not, then shutting down non-Muslims as dwellers of Hell will not be discriminatory.

Religion is a matter of faith and my own feeling is that if Allah wills you keep the faith, I don't want to state the obvious but yours is a crisis of faith and IA you come through it but ignore the actions of Muslim countries( I find Hazrat Ali's letter to the governor of Cairo helps when I hate Muslim govts and I need a reminder of what it should be like) and Muslims individuals Whose actions are out of the control of you or me and they will have to face the consequences.
I suggest that you find your own peace with Allah.

I agree, religion is about faith and feelings, and condemning people to Hell and passing judgements on their fate based on faith and feelings is discrimination. As far as my personal beliefs are concerned, there was a time when I didn't believe in a higher power but that is not the case anymore.

However, I obviously cannot prove it to anyone. My major issue with the orthodox Islamic belief is the notion that non-Muslims, no matter how great their services have been to humanity including Muslims, are condemned for eternal hellfire because they did not follow the religion that the Almighty prefers. That doesn't sound like justice to me at all.

 

[Rana]

All religions and their fundamental messages are true.

 

[Musakhel]

There is a fundamental flaw in your argument. Keeping people out based on their competencies (education, training etc.) is not discrimination, because these can be easily verified and proved. However, religion cannot be - there is no proof that God exists and there is no proof that Islam is the only true religion. It is all based on faith, and keeping people out based on faith and what you believe in is discriminatory.

If it can be proved that God exists and Islam is the true religion, just like it can be proved that a doctor has the competency to treat a patient that a non-doctor does not, then shutting down non-Muslims as dwellers of Hell will not be discriminatory.



I agree, religion is about faith and feelings, and condemning people to Hell and passing judgements on their fate based on faith and feelings is discrimination. As far as my personal beliefs are concerned, there was a time when I didn't believe in a higher power but that is not the case anymore.

However, I obviously cannot prove it to anyone. My major issue with the orthodox Islamic belief is the notion that non-Muslims, no matter how great their services have been to humanity including Muslims, are condemned for eternal hellfire because they did not follow the religion that the Almighty prefers. That doesn't sound like justice to me at all.

Humans main reason for creation was to believe and worship the One God, All these other noble attributes or their great services to humanity was not the reason for creation, yes in this life they will be highly respected and people will speak well of them, and they will acquire status, money and future generations will write books on them and so on, but if you forget Allah, Allah will cause you to forget your soul, as Allah says in The Quran and in hereafter they will be among the losers.

And be not ye as those who forgot Allah, therefor He caused them to forget their souls. Such are the evil-doers.(59:19)

 

[Bewal Express]

There is a fundamental flaw in your argument. Keeping people out based on their competencies (education, training etc.) is not discrimination, because these can be easily verified and proved. However, religion cannot be - there is no proof that God exists and there is no proof that Islam is the only true religion. It is all based on faith, and keeping people out based on faith and what you believe in is discriminatory.

If it can be proved that God exists and Islam is the true religion, just like it can be proved that a doctor has the competency to treat a patient that a non-doctor does not, then shutting down non-Muslims as dwellers of Hell will not be discriminatory.



I agree, religion is about faith and feelings, and condemning people to Hell and passing judgements on their fate based on faith and feelings is discrimination. As far as my personal beliefs are concerned, there was a time when I didn't believe in a higher power but that is not the case anymore.

However, I obviously cannot prove it to anyone. My major issue with the orthodox Islamic belief is the notion that non-Muslims, no matter how great their services have been to humanity including Muslims, are condemned for eternal hellfire because they did not follow the religion that the Almighty prefers. That doesn't sound like justice to me at all.

My point that you missed is that if we as humans can have rules which means can do something and others can't, why can't Allah. Allah has laid out the rules in the Koran and if we don't accept them on mass we go to hell, and even if we do but don't obey some of them we will spend some time in hell.
Our proof for the Islam being the only religion is the Koran and if your soul is destined you will accept it as such. If non Muslims believe that they are on the right path and they will go to their heaven then I have no complaints and if it transpires that we were in the wrong path, then that is just tough. I fast for 18 hours a day for a whole month, I wake up at 3am for Namaz in the summer, and pray 5 times a day, and give my Zakat and if we are going to the same place, what is the point? Yours is the Dunya but dont talk crap about we are all doing the same things and they should get the same rewards. Non muslims will be rewarded for their good deeds on the earth.

A few years ago, we were fasting at the start of the term in September,on the staff at my School there were 3 of us that were Muslims( one of the guys like you decided that Islam was too hard and had for all purposes given up), the 2 of us were fasting and the school laid on a dinner. I and the lady teacher looked at each other and saw the expensive well cooked food with chapped lips and dried mouths and just smiled at each other as the rest of the staff tucked in to food and wine ( not that we drank) we never said anything, but we know that this was Allah's test for us, and no point did I think I want some of that. Allah has his rules and you accept them or you don't.

 

[CobraRules]

My point that you missed is that if we as humans can have rules which means can do something and others can't, why can't Allah. Allah has laid out the rules in the Koran and if we don't accept them on mass we go to hell, and even if we do but don't obey some of them we will spend some time in hell.
Our proof for the Islam being the only religion is the Koran and if your soul is destined you will accept it as such. If non Muslims believe that they are on the right path and they will go to their heaven then I have no complaints and if it transpires that we were in the wrong path, then that is just tough. I fast for 18 hours a day for a whole month, I wake up at 3am for Namaz in the summer, and pray 5 times a day, and give my Zakat and if we are going to the same place, what is the point? Yours is the Dunya but dont talk crap about we are all doing the same things and they should get the same rewards. Non muslims will be rewarded for their good deeds on the earth.

Humans main reason for creation was to believe and worship the One God, All these other noble attributes or their great services to humanity was not the reason for creation, yes in this life they will be highly respected and people will speak well of them, and they will acquire status, money and future generations will write books on them and so on, but if you forget Allah, Allah will cause you to forget your soul, as Allah says in The Quran and in hereafter they will be among the losers.

And be not ye as those who forgot Allah, therefor He caused them to forget their souls. Such are the evil-doers.(59:19)

Is that doing noble things only reward in this life applicabe to Muslims or is that specifically for Non-Muslims only?
And if it does apply to all humans, then doing all corrupt, immoral, despicable things will only invite punishment in this life only. Isn't it??
So if a person who believes in Allah, does all the fasting, praying 5 times a day but is a mass murderer, who kills kafir will only get punishment in this life only and then he will go to heaven??