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Is it time for MS Dhoni to take retirement from international cricket?

Should MS Dhoni retire from International cricket?

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MSD is a curious case right now. Struggles to rotate the strike or hit big when he is new at the crease. Yet usually finishes with a decent contribution. He also gives the much needed stability to the inexperienced middle order.

While I strongly believe that he should have retired from T20I long ago, there is also a case for him to take retirement from ODIs.

However what happens to the team in his absence? Can the inexperienced middle order survive tough situations?

Have your say.
 
He also gives the much needed stability to the inexperienced middle order.
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Rohit, Dhawan, Rahul, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni, Pandya

Where is the inexperienced middle-order :danish
 
Inexperienced??

Pakoda bhai?? Pakoda khaana mei busy ho kya??

Kohli
Rahul
Karthik (if Dhoni retires)
Raina

Where is the inexperience??

Karthik will replace Dhoni
 
Abdullah719 said:
Rohit, Dhawan, Rahul, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni, Pandya

Where is the inexperienced middle-order :danish
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Rahul, Pandey, Pandya, Jadhav, Iyer are all inexperienced. All 5 combined have played 94 ODIs. Dhoni alone has played 300+. Raina doesn't play in ODIs and rightly so. Only the top 3 are experienced.

Whether he is performing or not is a different thing, but Dhoni has significantly high experience as compared to these 5 batsmen who usually feature in the middle/lower middle order.
 
Kohli said:
Inexperienced??

Pakoda bhai?? Pakoda khaana mei busy ho kya??

Kohli - #3 batsman is middle order? Gosh. Basics.
Rahul - He has played all of 10 ODI games and you consider him experienced?
Karthik (if Dhoni retires) - That's the whole point, he isn't in the team if Dhoni plays
Raina - Is Raina even there in our ODI team? How many ODIs has Raina played in the last 2 years?

Where is the inexperience??

Karthik will replace Dhoni
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Check response. I was referring to ODIs.
 
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Kohli said:
Inexperienced??

Pakoda bhai?? Pakoda khaana mei busy ho kya??

Kohli
Rahul
Karthik (if Dhoni retires)
Raina

Where is the inexperience??

Karthik will replace Dhoni
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Karthik? He's the most useless player I have seen along with rayudu.
 
Is it time? Well he is way past his expiry date.

Selfish dude hell bent on destroying his own legacy.
 
Should have retired after 2015 WC. He is 4 years overdue on that.

I doubt he is 36. Most probably 38 or 39. But he is super fit guy and built like a tank. Fitness will not be an issue with Dhoni. Its his terrible S/R and the attitide of leaving all the big shots to the final over are pathetic.

Dhoni is not a finisher. He has not been that in almost 4yrs now.

He can play 2019 WC, but in T20's, he should retire ASAP. If Kohli needs MSD to guide him in crunch situations, then Kohli is not fit to be a captain. Give it to Dhawan or someone who can captain the side without baby sitting by the Grandpa.

Pls Dhoni, retire now. He is blocking the place of Karthik or Pant or Kishan. Those guys may be hacks. But they are exactly what T20's need. Tuk Tuking till 19th over in a T20 will not work. This is 2018. Not 1992.
 
Dhoni will soon lose his ATG tag for me if he keeps playing. Dude's unbearable to watch nowadays.
 
Who are the replacements Pant, Samaosan, Karthic. one is too old and a pure hack other is a pure tullay bazz and samson is a flop. He is the best India got and one of the best at his position in the business. What everyone seems to be missing is that he provides Kohli with much needed help setting the field which is invaluable as kohli is a dud leadership wise. Even at his age hes the best they got. beggars can't be choosers.
 
Dhoni as a package still adds 10 times more value than any keeper in the country.

You can buy everything but you can't buy experience of 500 international matches. Dhoni is literally the only WC winning captain who is still playing.

No other youngsters in different national teams has the chance to pick the brains of a WC winning captain. You guys don't realise what a luxury that is for youngsters coming in.
 
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Not at all. He should retire after the 2019 WC.

2 years ago, he could have retired. Not anymore IMO.
 
the_outsider said:
Dhoni as a package still adds 10 times more value than any keeper in the country.

You can buy everything but you can't buy experience of 500 international matches. Dhoni is literally the only WC winning captain who is still playing.

No other youngsters in different national teams has the chance to pick the brains of a WC winning captain. You guys don't realise what a luxury that is for youngsters coming in.
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He can be coach. But as a batsmen and a finisher, he does not do his job. He only comes good once every 10 matches. Most of the times he suck up all the momentum. He leaves the big hitting to the likes of Pandya who are still newbies in International Cricket.
 
I choose yes by mistake, my answer is no. And its because India has a brittle middle order with poor finishers. Dhoni's experience is much needed. He should think of retiring from t20Is to focus solely on the next WC.


Also, Dhoni is the unofficial on field captain of the Indian team. So many times i have seen him give instructions to players.
 
troodon said:
He can be coach. But as a batsmen and a finisher, he does not do his job. He only comes good once every 10 matches. Most of the times he suck up all the momentum. He leaves the big hitting to the likes of Pandya who are still newbies in International Cricket.
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If he retires now, there is no youngster who can establish himself in such small span of time for the biggest event- WC 2019.

Add Dhoni's experience and the coolness and composure he brings to the team.

I think he should have retired two years ago only but now that he is still there he should play the 2019 WC and then call it off.
 
Watched Dhoni against starc, hazlewood & johnson in 2015 worldcup semi final and felt he is done that time but expecting him to do well against quality attack 4 years later doesn't look possible. He will struggle against aus, south africa and pakistan.
 
I think the 2019 World Cup will be his last appearance for India.

A legend of the game but time catches up to us all.
 
Dhoni should have retired when he stepped down from Captaincy, he has achieved so much in his career, izzat se chala jata.
 
I think so, it would have been great to see a Rishabh Pant given a chance to perform before the world cup. If he fails then Dinesh Karthik is available to come in and take over.
 
Square Drive said:
Seems like he just wants that 10k landmark. :yk2
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Only needs 33 more runs. :yk

My answer is no. I want to see him continue playing since there is nostalgia attached to him - I've grown up watching him play and idolized him. Didn't want Misbah to retire either.
 
Love MSD but seems as though his time is up. Maybe he will produce 1 or 2 good innings per series but that may not be enough for Indian fans. He should retire from T20 internationals. He has no use in this format as usually when he gets going the game is over.

He'll retire after 2019 WC.
 
Good cricketers are a dime a dozen. Leaders like Dhoni come once is a lifetime.

India is the only team that is playing LOIs with 2 frontline wrist spinners who turn the ball on every surface.

Show me a better keeper to spin in the WORLD right now, let alone India who can replace him.

We have all seen how Kohli captains by himself in RCB and how Dhoni has captained in the IPL. I strongly believe that Kohli still needs Dhoni on the field.

And why wouldn't you want to keep one of the best leaders cricket has ever seen in your team? That's an advantage no other country in the world has.
 
troodon said:
He can be coach. But as a batsmen and a finisher, he does not do his job. He only comes good once every 10 matches. Most of the times he suck up all the momentum. He leaves the big hitting to the likes of Pandya who are still newbies in International Cricket.
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Still not the same as having him on the field in crunch situations taking to a 23-year old Kuldeep.

Yes, this is not the Dhoni of before. But leaders are more important than cricketers. Because they are the rarest commodity in sports.

I do think he should drop himself from the T20s as I doubt he's looking to play the 2020WC.

But I would still have Dhoni's vast experience over Pant or Kishan's slogging ability for the 2019WC. Because you need the former to win WC.
 
Selector didn't had guts to drop him from t20 team year ago.
Now we are stuck with him till 2019 worldcup because other wk batsmen will never get a consistent chance to show their skills as long as dhoni is in playing 11.

It also badly reflects on kohli's credibility as a leader.
Because Dhoni was instrumental in throwing out gambhir,sehwag,yuvraj,zaheer etc before 2013 champions trophy.
 
introvert said:
Selector didn't had guts to drop him from t20 team year ago.
Now we are stuck with him till 2019 worldcup because other wk batsmen will never get a consistent chance to show their skills as long as dhoni is in playing 11.

It also badly reflects on kohli's credibility as a leader.
Because Dhoni was instrumental in throwing out gambhir,sehwag,yuvraj,zaheer etc before 2013 champions trophy.
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Yea, Dhoni didn’t think twice before “rotating” Gambhir and Sehwag, chucking them out for being poor fielders. He’s lucky he’s been getting a long rope himself. Thanks to Kohli.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Yea, Dhoni didn’t think twice before “rotating” Gambhir and Sehwag, chucking them out for being poor fielders. He’s lucky he’s been getting a long rope himself. Thanks to Kohli.
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You can't compare Dhoni's importance and contribution to Indian cricket to Sehwag's, let alone Gimbhir's.

Dhoni has established himself in the league of Sachin and Kapil. Even they were never dropped.

Sehwag, Dravid, Kumble and even Ganguly aren't at that level - even though they are legends in their own rights.
 
the_outsider said:
You can't compare Dhoni's importance and contribution to Indian cricket to Sehwag's, let alone Gimbhir's.

Dhoni has established himself in the league of Sachin and Kapil. Even they were never dropped.

Sehwag, Dravid, Kumble and even Ganguly aren't at that level - even though they are legends in their own rights.
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I have a problem with there even being a separate category for players who cannot be dropped regardless of their performance. Perform/meaningfully contribute or perish.
 
There’s an argument of Dhoni helping Kohli in terms of captaincy. At this point, I don’t know what to say about this. Dhoni is a better LOI captain than Kohli, especially during crunch situations. Do we persist with Dhoni till Kohli matures or ask Kohli to handle his work on this own?
 
Should at least leave T20’s.

2019 wc is his last.
 
He can't leave, he's still the captain out on the field with Kohli hiding whenever things get rough
 
Yes but only if there is a better replacement.
 
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He should have retired a couple of years ago. His reflexes have slowed down and struggles to hit any decent international level fast bowlers or even spinners (as witnessed in that Adil Rashid over in the 2nd T20I).

Atleast, he should be moved up the order in ODIs as he needs a bit of time to get in and has lost quite a few matches coming in the end overs.
 
Taking single off the first delivery to let Umesh Yadav face an entire over. So much for settling in.
 
I would be excited to see someone like Ishan Kishan in the team. Even if he would fail in matches like these, at least it wouldn't be as painful as playing with a strike rate of 60 odd when the required run rate is over 13.
 
Bizarre innings so far The rate is rising to an impossible high and still very little intent from him
 
Dhoni isn’t going anywhere till the next world cup.
 
Abhilash93 said:
He should have retired a couple of years ago. His reflexes have slowed down and struggles to hit any decent international level fast bowlers or even spinners (as witnessed in that Adil Rashid over in the 2nd T20I).

Atleast, he should be moved up the order in ODIs as he needs a bit of time to get in and has lost quite a few matches coming in the end overs.
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When he fails at 4, push him to 6 and he will do great,

When he fails at 6, push him back to 4 and he will do great.

Rinse and repeat.
 
Dhoni is following his bora Vai Sachin.Just playing for his own record,not for country.Sachin played one and half years more than he should have been.Lets see to what extent MSD prolongs his career.
 
Would love to see Pant/Ishan/Samson, even DK get some chances.

Kohli needs to stop depending on MSD for setting the field.
 
If Kohli needs Dhoni for tactical assistance and to set fields then why was he appointed captain ?

It looked to me watching today's knock that his reflexes have slowed down and that he cannot bat at the necessary SR. Dhoni no doubt has earned respect for his accomplishments but that kind of performance cannot be ignored for whatever tactical advice he's giving.
 
It might finally be time for champ to hang his boots.... He goes out an absolute gladiator who achieved everything there is to achieve no matter what the na-shukray Indian fans say
 
Syed1 said:
It might finally be time for champ to hang his boots.... He goes out an absolute gladiator who achieved everything there is to achieve no matter what the na-shukray Indian fans say
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Well that is what Indian fans are trying to say. MS has achieved everything there is. So the only thing Indian fans want him is to retire now. Everyone is aware of his legacy. No Indian fan or posters in PP are expecting more from him but just to retire.

However, I feel he should have retired 2 years ago. But now that he is still there, he should continue till 2019 WC. No youngster will be able to establish himself in 1 year till 2019 WC but Dhoni's experience and his ability to make opposition choke in any department will help only
 
India still need him if they want to win the WC. They just need to figure out the best way to use him. I think he should be demoted to 7 or be used as a floater if quick wickets falls. India also need another hard hitting batsman in the middle that can bowl a few economical overs. Raina needs to go.
 
MSD like to take the game to the last over. He will defend his wicket till then. He only like to put some effort in the last over.

So i suggest Indian team management to send him in to bat only when a wicket falls after 48th over. Everyone will be happy :sm :sanga
 
His problem is, he set the bar so high for himself that now, when he is not anymore that extraordinary bat, he looks like a liability even when he is still doing good enough. If he wanted to retire, he should have retired a year back, the best India can do with him is to have him bat as high as possible, possibly at 5. He is clearly not good enough as per his own standards to bat at no.6 and finish things off, and these days when he comes in, he is usually there after a collapse so he goes into his shell. Have him bat at 5 and tell him to show a bit more intent plus lengthen the tail, Indian's batting in LOI's finishes at no. 8, even Bhuvneshwar isn't really a good hitter. With Jadeja and Ashwin, India had a batting lineup that went deep till no.9.
 
Should have retired last year so that we could prepare for the World Cup but instead chose to selfishly hang on when he's clearly well past it. Is just an IPL bully now.
 
For a long time I would have said no. But now my answer is, "perhaps, yes".

There is no denying that Dhoni is half the batsman he was 6 years ago. The man has been playing international cricket for 13+ years and has had more workload (10 years of captaincy + 13 years of wicketkeeping + 9 years of playing the finisher) than any other cricket I can ever think of barring Sachin's 24 years long career.

I guess we shouldn't be surprised to see him this way now. It's a miracle he's still playing at the level he is playing. He is still one of the best keepers in world cricket. Still one of the greatest tactician on the field. It's just 1 out of the 3 roles where he is now struggling.

Yes, given the potential of the talent India has in DK, Pant, Ishan, and Samson, one can argue successfully that Dhoni should make way for at least a series or two.

Maybe Dhoni really believes that he can get back in form by the WC. He may or may not be right about that but we can't blame someone for believing in himself.

But getting rid of Dhoni isn't going to solve the core issue India has. Raina just doesn't belong at this level against the best. KL Rahul will finally get an extended run at no 4 and I expect him to settle in and start performing by the WC. Pandya is definitely improving as a bowler but it's time for him to become far more consistent with his batting now. Idk if he can get there by 2019 but I'm hoping.

But before giving up on all the advantage Dhoni has to offer, I would first try to make up for Dhoni's weakness by replacing Raina with someone who can play the role of a Buttler or Moeen. Pant and Krunal come to mind but time is running out.

Dhoni's horribly out of form as a batsman but he's only 1/4th of the middle order. Replacing him may solve 25% of our problems but it's not gonna go way until KL, no 5 and Hardik start performing with consistency.
 
I think that we all need to admit that we are stuck with the shameless grandpa till the 2019 WC. BUT, if the shameless grandpa and his minions don't retire after the embarrassing group stage exit from the world cup, it might be time to give up on Indian cricket. [MENTION=146594]BreadPakoda[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION].
 
Rahul1 said:
I think that we all need to admit that we are stuck with the shameless grandpa till the 2019 WC. BUT, if the shameless grandpa and his minions don't retire after the embarrassing group stage exit from the world cup, it might be time to give up on Indian cricket. [MENTION=146594]BreadPakoda[/MENTION] [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION].
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I am so emotionally detached from our LOI team for years now.

Watching India win in LOI doesn't give me joy anymore. Hasn't for years now.

Maybe once we kick out all the deadweight and this Kohli is put in his place, I might feel differently.
 
Dhoni should have gone years ago. Thing is, he is currently too powerful to be dropped. Partnered with India biggest sporting agency, friends with all the influential people, I assume brown noses a lot and part of the ipl franchise board. So yeah, he sint going.
 
Dhoni isn’t even quitting T20Is despite the fact that he’ll be 39 when that comes around.
 
He's playing for money. It's a USD 20 million a year thing for him.
 
AMSS said:
He's playing for money. It's a USD 20 million a year thing for him.
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Rhiti Sports brand,CSK brand
Mama still has influence in BCCI
Even in Deodhar Trophy squad Anukul Roy got ignored for Certain Favs of Mama
 
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