Is it time to abolish the British Monarchy?

[The_KING]

Also, a point to ponder, showing respect for the Queen doesn't make one a royalist.

Exactly this. I have been accused of being a royalist but I won't class myself as one. I personally don't really care about any of Queen's children. In fact, I strongly dislike Andrew for obvious reasons. I also have a strong dislike for Meghan 'fake woke playing the race card' Markle and Prince 'Joru kaa ghulam' Harry. I don't care much for William and Kate either. But I have always loved the Queen. I don't know why but I have always admired Elizabeth II and I always will.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think the Queen seemed like a nice lady and played her role well for the gallery without being controversial ever. I don’t mind the Royals existing as they are, given how they seem to inspire so many people. But, I don’t want to pay tax to aid their existence, there is little benefit to me in that. I never quite understood the deep fascination non-white people have towards the Royals though and it is driven by a deep inferior complex or Uncle Tom syndrome, these people should ideally get deported because such behaviour is not in line with British values, these leeches want to send society in Britain back 1000 years, it’s not patriotic behaviour is it. We need to move away from peasant ideals. The monarchy have no power anyway as it is, the inbred supporters of Prince Andrew are thick.

Im glad someone has intelligence to understand basic points.

You bro are no less of a human being to any pale old wrinkled skin degenerates. If people want to call their families Royals , great but it shoulnt have 1% impact on my life, your life or anyone elses life. I dont think the Queen was a good person , she enjoyed killing innocent animals, helped with racism to grow in South Africa, shunned her daughter in law because she didnt have the same pale skin. Of course these degenerates will be show a rosy smiley face while their subjects bow their necks in awe. Crackpots the lot of them.

 

[ghaint]

Royal Entertainment

Im glad someone has intelligence to understand basic points.

You bro are no less of a human being to any pale old wrinkled skin degenerates. If people want to call their families Royals , great but it shoulnt have 1% impact on my life, your life or anyone elses life. I dont think the Queen was a good person , she enjoyed killing innocent animals, helped with racism to grow in South Africa, shunned her daughter in law because she didnt have the same pale skin. Of course these degenerates will be show a rosy smiley face while their subjects bow their necks in awe. Crackpots the lot of them.

UK needs the monarchy to keep it’s citizens entertained so they do not questions about the real problems of the people.

 

[MenInG]

Poll added - please add your votes

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Exactly this. I have been accused of being a royalist but I won't class myself as one. I personally don't really care about any of Queen's children. In fact, I strongly dislike Andrew for obvious reasons. I also have a strong dislike for Meghan 'fake woke playing the race card' Markle and Prince 'Joru kaa ghulam' Harry. I don't care much for William and Kate either. But I have always loved the Queen. I don't know why but I have always admired Elizabeth II and I always will.

No one cares if you are a royalist, there are plenty of the British public who are, that much is evident when there are people queuing already to salute the Queen's coffin as it passes by. Knock yourself out bro, but when weird foreign brown sahibs start calling out the rest of us born and bred Brits for not worshipping the English royal family like they do, we WILL correct them and put them in their place.

 

[The_KING]

No one cares if you are a royalist, there are plenty of the British public who are, that much is evident when there are people queuing already to salute the Queen's coffin as it passes by. Knock yourself out bro, but when weird foreign brown sahibs start calling out the rest of us born and bred Brits for not worshipping the English royal family like they do, we WILL correct them and put them in their place.

I haven’t called out anyone for not worshipping the royal family. You must have confused me with Mamoon.

 

[The_KING]

Nope, I was talking about Mamoon. The little scamp.

Okay but not sure why you quoted me.

 

[JaDed]

Shouldn’t even be a question, democracy shouldn’t go with a Monarchy, glad NYtimes is pushing for their hidden agenda lol

 

[Technics 1210]

Exactly this. I have been accused of being a royalist but I won't class myself as one. I personally don't really care about any of Queen's children. In fact, I strongly dislike Andrew for obvious reasons. I also have a strong dislike for Meghan 'fake woke playing the race card' Markle and Prince 'Joru kaa ghulam' Harry. I don't care much for William and Kate either. But I have always loved the Queen. I don't know why but I have always admired Elizabeth II and I always will.

Ditto.

However I did have a soft spot for Diana (I still remember the 1981 Wedding like it was yesterday), and then there is Catherine, Princess of Wales! Ironically, Diana had the same title!

As for Elizabeth Alexandra Mary - there will never be a Royal like her, not in our life time, and I doubt in the future. She truly bridged 2 eras, pre and post WW2. Her death is literally, an end of an era.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Okay but not sure why you quoted me.

I addressed your views as well.

 

[The_KING]

I addressed your views as well.

Ok but I don’t personally care if someone doesn’t like the royal family. Your post was about brown sahibs calling out born and bred British people for not worshipping the royal family, which is something I have never done. So your post didn’t address my views.

 

[The_KING]

Ditto.

However I did have a soft spot for Diana (I still remember the 1981 Wedding like it was yesterday), and then there is Catherine, Princess of Wales! Ironically, Diana had the same title!

As for Elizabeth Alexandra Mary - there will never be a Royal like her, not in our life time, and I doubt in the future. She truly bridged 2 eras, pre and post WW2. Her death is literally, an end of an era.

Yes, I like Diana too. From the modern royals, Kate is the best one.

Elizabeth’s death is indeed an end of an era. I was hoping that she would cross the 100 mark and live as long as her mother did, but sadly it wasn’t to be. It would have been nice if she lived to celebrate the 80th anniversary of the end of WW2.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes, I like Diana too. From the modern royals, Kate is the best one.

Elizabeth’s death is indeed an end of an era. I was hoping that she would cross the 100 mark and live as long as her mother did, but sadly it wasn’t to be. It would have been nice if she lived to celebrate the 80th anniversary of the end of WW2.

I believe the death of her husband, Prince Phillip, accelerated her decline. She truly lost her soul mate of over 70 years!

 

[The_KING]

I believe the death of her husband, Prince Phillip, accelerated her decline. She truly lost her soul mate of over 70 years!

That usually happens in older couples who have been together for a long time. When one of them dies, the other one also dies in the not too distance future.

 

[Mamoon]

Hit a nerve

Why don't you ask some of your white Brits on here what they think? You are still talking the language of a foreigner and look that's ok. You are one, but don't assume British people think like that.

As a UK citizen, you do not have a choice but to accept the monarchy and be in service. The only choice you have to is to be in denial about it. Your status as a subject is not up for debate.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I find it ironic how the UK Royal family is portrayed as great people in the media while the Kings of Arab, African countries are termed as dictators, enemies of democracy and stuff.

 

[MenInG]

Indigenous group to hold protest in Brisbane on national day of mourning for Queen Elizabeth

A protest for Indigenous people will be held on the National Day of Mourning for Queen Elizabeth II, AAP is reporting.

Warriors of the Aboriginal Resistance, which has more than 60,000 Facebook followers, will take to Brisbane streets on 22 September to decry past atrocities and the impact of British colonisation in Australia.

“This is a stance against the continued crimes committed against marginalised First Nations, black, brown and Asian communities. We do not support benefactors or Stolenwealth (sic) and demand justice, truth and accountability for all. Justice for all,” the group wrote.

Queen Elizabeth died aged 96 at Balmoral Castle in Scotland on September 8.

While supporters have hailed her 70-year reign, some Indigenous leaders say the British monarchy represents a violent history.

Macquarie University academic and Wiradjuri woman Sandy O’Sullivan said they were subjected to racism for refusing to celebrate the Queen’s reign.

“Along with many other Aboriginal people, I experienced a lot of racism and derision around raising the fact that we weren’t celebrating the reign of the previous monarch, Queen Elizabeth II,” they said.

“For many it’s because during that reign there was little that she did to reset that relationship, to make reparations and to speak out.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...y-of-mourning-for-queen/ar-AA11MPxf?ocid=EMMX

 

[Robert]

That usually happens in older couples who have been together for a long time. When one of them dies, the other one also dies in the not too distance future.

The Duke was The Queen’s rock.

 

[Robert]

I never quite understood the deep fascination non-white people have towards the Royals though and it is driven by a deep inferior complex or Uncle Tom syndrome, these people should ideally get deported because such behaviour is not in line with British values, these leeches want to send society in Britain back 1000 years, it’s not patriotic behaviour is it. We need to move away from peasant ideals.

My mother-n-law would fiercely disagree. She often said she was “Born under the British flag” in a nation which has produced many great cricketers. She answered The Call to rebuild UK after it was shattered by WW2 and worked in nursing in London for decades.

She was more British than plenty of born Britons.

Of course she met with racism from British whites who didn’t understand The Call. Her generation bore the brunt of it, setting up black communities and fighting the battles so that future generations found it easier.

 

[Mamoon]

That usually happens in older couples who have been together for a long time. When one of them dies, the other one also dies in the not too distance future.

No, it is called common sense.

Phillip was 99, the Queen was 96. It is not a surprised that they passed away in consecutive years.

All people in the 90+ bracket, who are in the same age group, tend to die together because very few people get to hit the 100 mark.

Nevertheless, I agree with the general point that she must have been depressed after her husband’s death.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As a UK citizen, you do not have a choice but to accept the monarchy and be in service. The only choice you have to is to be in denial about it. Your status as a subject is not up for debate.

That might read like it matters to Johnny Foreigner sitting in Calcutta, but in reality it is irrelevant. The royal family is for decorative purposes, they don't actually have any political power in this day and age over people who actually live here.

 

[Robert]

That might read like it matters to Johnny Foreigner sitting in Calcutta, but in reality it is irrelevant. The royal family is for decorative purposes, they don't actually have any political power in this day and age over people who actually live here.

Bear in mind however that the Sovereign has one power - the military, police and prisons are all sworn to him.

So if the government of the day goes crackers, the Sovereign could dissolve Parliament by force and reinstate another.

That power holds the PM in check to a degree.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Bear in mind however that the Sovereign has one power - the military, police and prisons are all sworn to him.

So if the government of the day goes crackers, the Sovereign could dissolve Parliament by force and reinstate another.

That power holds the PM in check to a degree.

I was talking about reality though, not what is buried in some constitution that affects nobody in real life, and 99% of Brits would not even be aware of. In the real world the sovereign is wheeled out for ceremonial purposes, and the govt actually weilds power.

 

[Mamoon]

That might read like it matters to Johnny Foreigner sitting in Calcutta, but in reality it is irrelevant. The royal family is for decorative purposes, they don't actually have any political power in this day and age over people who actually live here.

All that is fine, but the problem arises when UK citizens like you and KKWC claim that you don’t give a rat’s behind to the monarchy, it means nothing to you, you don’t serve the queen/king etc.

All of these statements are factually incorrect because you are bound by your UK citizenship to accept the monarchy. It is not a choice.

A better way of putting it would be to assert that you hope that the monarchy is abolished in the future.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

All that is fine, but the problem arises when UK citizens like you and KKWC claim that you don’t give a rat’s behind to the monarchy, it means nothing to you, you don’t serve the queen/king etc.

All of these statements are factually incorrect because you are bound by your UK citizenship to accept the monarchy. It is not a choice.

A better way of putting it would be to assert that you hope that the monarchy is abolished in the future.

It might be better if I actually cared whether the monarchy is abolished in the future, but I don't. So why should I pretend I do? How many times do I have to tell you this, but most Brits do not study the constitution and whether they need to bow or scrape to blue blood relics from the past. In reality their roles are ceremonial only. Please understand this before coming up with more irrelevance.

 

[Robert]

I was talking about reality though, not what is buried in some constitution that affects nobody in real life, and 99% of Brits would not even be aware of. In the real world the sovereign is wheeled out for ceremonial purposes, and the govt actually weilds power.

It’s reality. Army, police, MI5&6, HMPS all take oaths to the Sovereign, not the government.

It would kick off another civil war of course. But the PM knows it.

 

[Technics 1210]

Going back to my question, since the Monarchy is symbolic and ceremonial, what is achieved by abolishing the Monarchy?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It’s reality. Army, police, MI5&6, HMPS all take oaths to the Sovereign, not the government.

It would kick off another civil war of course. But the PM knows it.

It's ceremonial in reality, like swearing to tell the truth on the Bible in a court of law. When was the last time the monarchy overruled the govt or any other institution? Their role is to provide a rubber stamp for the actual ruling parties and wave at common people from a distance.

 

[Technics 1210]

It's ceremonial in reality, like swearing to tell the truth on the Bible in a court of law. When was the last time the monarchy overruled the govt or any other institution? Their role is to provide a rubber stamp for the actual ruling parties and wave at common people from a distance.

When the Queen refused to grant her consent on a bill to be debated in Parliament, and so the bill was dropped (Queen's Consent was needed before debate could take place because the bill affected the royal prerogative).

That Bill, was on whether the UK government could solely declare war on another nation, 1999.

The Monarchy has more influence than you think.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When the Queen refused to grant her consent on a bill to be debated in Parliament, and so the bill was dropped (Queen's Consent was needed before debate could take place because the bill affected the royal prerogative).

That Bill, was on whether the UK government could solely declare war on another nation, 1999.

The Monarchy has more influence than you think.

Even that just sounds like she abstained from making a decision on whether a debate could take place. So basically did nothing about whether something could be discussed in 1999. Not exactly William the Conqueror stuff is it?

 

[Robert]

It's ceremonial in reality, like swearing to tell the truth on the Bible in a court of law. When was the last time the monarchy overruled the govt or any other institution? Their role is to provide a rubber stamp for the actual ruling parties and wave at common people from a distance.

You try telling a member of HM Armed Forces that. I once asked a Guards regiment officer if, should the Sovereign order him to drive down Whitehall and arrest the PM, would he obey? His answer was an immediate and firm “Yes!”.

(Swearing in court has the force of law - if you lie, you can be found guilty of perjury and sent to jail.
Marriage is a ceremony too. Ceremony = law.)

 

[Technics 1210]

Even that just sounds like she abstained from making a decision on whether a debate could take place. So basically did nothing about whether something could be discussed in 1999. Not exactly William the Conqueror stuff is it?

You asked when the last time the Monarchy overruled the government, and you got an example.

 

[Technics 1210]

Bank Holidays is another, 8 bank holidays in the year, yup, declared by royal proclamation.

Thank the Monarchy for 8 extra days off to your statutory leave.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You try telling a member of HM Armed Forces that. I once asked a Guards regiment officer if, should the Sovereign order him to drive down Whitehall and arrest the PM, would he obey? His answer was an immediate and firm “Yes!”.

(Swearing in court has the force of law - if you lie, you can be found guilty of perjury and sent to jail.
Marriage is a ceremony too. Ceremony = law.)

When was the last time a Sovereign ordered a member of the armed forces to arrest anyone, let alone the PM? No one is arguing there may be some archaic laws or ceremonies still in place, but they are archaic for a reason. It's not Game of Thrones in real life, the Royal Hignesses are there for show only.

 

[JaDed]

My mother-n-law would fiercely disagree. She often said she was “Born under the British flag” in a nation which has produced many great cricketers. She answered The Call to rebuild UK after it was shattered by WW2 and worked in nursing in London for decades.

She was more British than plenty of born Britons.

Of course she met with racism from British whites who didn’t understand The Call. Her generation bore the brunt of it, setting up black communities and fighting the battles so that future generations found it easier.

Respect to your MIL, but if she saw that she helped built a Britain where Prince Andrew could do what he did she would be disgusted.

Monarchy has no place in modern world, I can’t believe you of all posters don’t believe in a True Republic, Monarchy is the opposite of meritocracy.

 

[Technics 1210]

Respect to your MIL, but if she saw that she helped built a Britain where Prince Andrew could do what he did she would be disgusted.

Monarchy has no place in modern world, I can’t believe you of all posters don’t believe in a True Republic, Monarchy is the opposite of meritocracy.

Andrew was caught in the USA too, and parents do not control the actions of their children.

Just cause Andrew turned out to be a peado doesn't mean the Monarchy is at fault. This is the weakest of all arguments. And also Andrew has been striped off all titles (accept 1) and duties, by the late Queen!

Not forgetting many peados roam the streets and have been caught, going to blame the Monarchy too? Or is that the fault of the government for creating lax laws?

 

[Technics 1210]

It is pretty clear UK citizens have no idea of the role and prerogative the head of state has. They claim they don't care, which is fine, but this doesn't change the fact when they travel abroad, on a UK passport, they are protected by her/his Majesty, for example.

 

[The_KING]

The Duke was The Queen’s rock.

No, it is called common sense.

Phillip was 99, the Queen was 96. It is not a surprised that they passed away in consecutive years.

All people in the 90+ bracket, who are in the same age group, tend to die together because very few people get to hit the 100 mark.

Nevertheless, I agree with the general point that she must have been depressed after her husband’s death.

I know that in your 90s, you can be gone any day. But there is no doubt that Queen's health took a turn for the worse after Philip's death. I personally believe without Philip dying, Queen probably would have lived for another 3-4 years, but Philip's passing accelerated her demise.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I find it ironic how the UK Royal family is portrayed as great people in the media while the Kings of Arab, African countries are termed as dictators, enemies of democracy and stuff.

The UK royal family has no pollical power while Arab Kings are absolute monarchs.

 

[daytrader]

Muslim community leaders come together to sing 'God Save the King'





Members of the Muslim community gather at London Central Mosque to pay tribute to the late Queen Elizabeth II. Getty
Members of the Muslim community gather at London Central Mosque to pay tribute to the late Queen Elizabeth II. Getty
© Jeff J Mitchell
Muslims in central London sang the national anthem in a UK mosque for the first time since Queen Elizabeth II's death.

Worshippers attended a service at the Central London Mosque in Regent’s Park to honour the life of the queen and to mark the accession of King Charles III.

Ahmad Al Dubayan, of the Islamic Cultural Centre and London Central Mosque, said the purpose was “to show the sympathies and feelings of the Muslim communities in the UK”.

He said that the queen was “loved by everybody” and that Muslims he knew were “so grateful and acknowledge all the things she did.”

He praised the queen’s commitment to multiculturalism and her “devotion for the service of everybody that made the UK an oasis of freedom”.

The national anthem was sung as the service ended, which organisers said was the first time since the queen’s death that God Save the King has been sung in a UK mosque.

Chairman of the Prince’s Trust International Board, Shabir Randeree, was present and described it as a “very moving moment”.

“It raised the hairs on the back of my neck for two reasons,” he said. “First, I was thrilled to be standing in a mosque singing God Save the King. And the second, I was deeply touched of course in trying to remember the Queen.”

“It was a momentous moment and a very touching moment.”

“The Muslim community are united with everyone, and you’ve seen an outpouring of grief, not just from the Muslim community but from all communities in the UK, and, dare I say, in the Commonwealth and worldwide as well.

“I think it’s very important for the Muslim community to be out here and to say what they felt, and to also have the royal family and others and the entire country notice that they mourn deeply the passing of the monarch.”

He said: “I think King Charles will carry on the work of the queen in terms of interfaith relations. It’s an area in which he’s had a deep passion.

“Having all communities interact is at the very core of his belief.”

MSN

 

[KingKhanWC]

All that is fine, but the problem arises when UK citizens like you and KKWC claim that you don’t give a rat’s behind to the monarchy, it means nothing to you, you don’t serve the queen/king etc.

All of these statements are factually incorrect because you are bound by your UK citizenship to accept the monarchy. It is not a choice.

A better way of putting it would be to assert that you hope that the monarchy is abolished in the future.

Your understanding of politics in general and here is very poor.

We are not bound by anything to do with the Royals. lol. They stopped ruling hundreds of years ago, what is written has nothing binding it. You live in Pakistan so let us educate you on this subject.

Millions of Brits hate or dont care for the Royals, there have been many protests, booing , whistling on min silences, debates to end the monarchy etc. Nobody is bound by anything to bow their necks to some degenerate family which is stuck in the medieval times.

My issue is they have no power, they don't rule, they don't fight in wars(only photoshoots) but the public in general have to suffer because of them on a regular basis. If they didnt interrupt anyone's life, they can roll around in carriages for all I care.

Funerals and Hospital appointments are cancelled for Monday. You couldn't make this up.

To all SUBJECTS . @Technics 10 [MENTION=138670]The_KING[/MENTION] , as you both are loyal and love the Royals. Would you be happy if someone in your family had to delay their funeral on Monday? If yes, why?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Your understanding of politics in general and here is very poor.

We are not bound by anything to do with the Royals. lol. They stopped ruling hundreds of years ago, what is written has nothing binding it. You live in Pakistan so let us educate you on this subject.

Millions of Brits hate or dont care for the Royals, there have been many protests, booing , whistling on min silences, debates to end the monarchy etc. Nobody is bound by anything to bow their necks to some degenerate family which is stuck in the medieval times.

My issue is they have no power, they don't rule, they don't fight in wars(only photoshoots) but the public in general have to suffer because of them on a regular basis. If they didnt interrupt anyone's life, they can roll around in carriages for all I care.

Funerals and Hospital appointments are cancelled for Monday. You couldn't make this up.

To all SUBJECTS . @Technics 10 [MENTION=138670]The_KING[/MENTION] , as you both are loyal and love the Royals. Would you be happy if someone in your family had to delay their funeral on Monday? If yes, why?

I am conflicted on this one. My dear old Mum was a brown Sahiba, she loved the Queen for some reason, she used to buy coronation mugs which we'd all look at as kids absolutely dumbfounded. My dad on the other hand didn't give a rats behind who the Queen was. If her royal motorcade passed outside our house he would have been outside telling them to stop blocking his effing drive.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am conflicted on this one. My dear old Mum was a brown Sahiba, she loved the Queen for some reason, she used to buy coronation mugs which we'd all look at as kids absolutely dumbfounded. My dad on the other hand didn't give a rats behind who the Queen was. If her royal motorcade passed outside our house he would have been outside telling them to stop blocking his effing drive.

Mothers are usually more emotional and kind, they believe an old lady who is always polite must be a great lady , doing great things.

But im sure most families would be angry if a funeral was to be delayed for someone elses funeral. I dont understand the reasoning for this, very strange.?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Another reason why such families shouldnt be heads of state. How can any human enjoy killing animals for sport esp tigers?

 

[KingKhanWC]

King Charlie heckled, just another fact thrown at him but of course he has no answer.

Taxpayers forced to pay to heat his home when some cant afford to heat their own.

 

[Mamoon]

Your understanding of politics in general and here is very poor.

We are not bound by anything to do with the Royals. lol. They stopped ruling hundreds of years ago, what is written has nothing binding it. You live in Pakistan so let us educate you on this subject.

Millions of Brits hate or dont care for the Royals, there have been many protests, booing , whistling on min silences, debates to end the monarchy etc. Nobody is bound by anything to bow their necks to some degenerate family which is stuck in the medieval times.

My issue is they have no power, they don't rule, they don't fight in wars(only photoshoots) but the public in general have to suffer because of them on a regular basis. If they didnt interrupt anyone's life, they can roll around in carriages for all I care.

Funerals and Hospital appointments are cancelled for Monday. You couldn't make this up.

To all SUBJECTS . @Technics 10 [MENTION=138670]The_KING[/MENTION] , as you both are loyal and love the Royals. Would you be happy if someone in your family had to delay their funeral on Monday? If yes, why?

You are missing the point. The issue here is not my political knowledge, it is about the fact that you keep dancing around the main point of discussion. Besides, getting educated by you is the last thing I'd want - I can't think of a greater insult.

The point is now what the Queen/King can or cannot do, does or does not do, or should or should not do. The point is that as a UK citizen, you do not have a choice but to accept the monarchy. No UK citizen is exempt from recognizing the status of the monarchy.

Ergo, your statement that you do not care about monarchy, you do not have a king/queen, etc. means nothing. It is factually incorrect because as a UK/Commonwealth citizen, you do not get to choose.

Anti-Monarchy sentiment has existed in Britain throughout the course of history, predominantly after the monarchy was reestablished in 1660. It has continued to the modern day and it is not going away.

If you are pro-republic that is absolutely fine. As a UK citizen, it is your right to voice your concern over something that you do not approve of However, you need to be less delusional over your choice of words and acknowledge the fact that you are not exempt from accepting the monarchy.

Not only Technics and King but you and [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] are also subjects. No UK citizen is exempt from being a subject but while people like Technics and King acknowledge that and do not have an issue because it is does not make any difference to their lives, you and our friend Cpt. are in staunch denial so it is inevitable that you will be shown the mirror if you adopt a condescending tone towards those UK citizens who are not anti-Monarchy.

Furthermore, you need to realize that Monarchy is part of the British culture and identity and this system is working for the UK. There is no reason for a change. The UK is one of the most multicultural countries in the world with a very big heart.

It has welcomed millions of immigrants like you and Cpt. with open arms instead of closing the door on you and asking you to return to your the country of your origin but that does not mean that it should let go of its roots and forego a part of its identity, culture, and history.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are missing the point. The issue here is not my political knowledge, it is about the fact that you keep dancing around the main point of discussion. Besides, getting educated by you is the last thing I'd want - I can't think of a greater insult.

The point is now what the Queen/King can or cannot do, does or does not do, or should or should not do. The point is that as a UK citizen, you do not have a choice but to accept the monarchy. No UK citizen is exempt from recognizing the status of the monarchy.

Ergo, your statement that you do not care about monarchy, you do not have a king/queen, etc. means nothing. It is factually incorrect because as a UK/Commonwealth citizen, you do not get to choose.

Anti-Monarchy sentiment has existed in Britain throughout the course of history, predominantly after the monarchy was reestablished in 1660. It has continued to the modern day and it is not going away.

If you are pro-republic that is absolutely fine. As a UK citizen, it is your right to voice your concern over something that you do not approve of However, you need to be less delusional over your choice of words and acknowledge the fact that you are not exempt from accepting the monarchy.

Not only Technics and King but you and [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] are also subjects. No UK citizen is exempt from being a subject but while people like Technics and King acknowledge that and do not have an issue because it is does not make any difference to their lives, you and our friend Cpt. are in staunch denial so it is inevitable that you will be shown the mirror if you adopt a condescending tone towards those UK citizens who are not anti-Monarchy.

Furthermore, you need to realize that Monarchy is part of the British culture and identity and this system is working for the UK. There is no reason for a change. The UK is one of the most multicultural countries in the world with a very big heart.

It has welcomed millions of immigrants like you and Cpt. with open arms instead of closing the door on you and asking you to return to your country of origin but that does not mean that it should let go of its roots and forego a part of its identity, culture, and history.

The Royals are only ceremonial. You dont have to accept them or be their subject, otherwise everyone would be forced to bow their necks, you dont need to. Royals are only present to give UK a historic look, they have no power and nobody is expected to accept them as greater people.

You really are clueless regarding this and basic politics of the world.

Immigrants is irrelevant, as the vast majority of anti-monarchy are WHITE, which you keep ignoring because it destroys your dumb argument.

And again, you CANNOT ask others to leave because they are Republicans , against a monarchy which is purely ceremonial when YOU ARE AGAINST the creation of Pakistan and SUPPORT BOMBING OF Pakistani CHILDREN by India. Yet you wont leave )

 

[topspin]

You are missing the point. The issue here is not my political knowledge, it is about the fact that you keep dancing around the main point of discussion. Besides, getting educated by you is the last thing I'd want - I can't think of a greater insult.

The point is now what the Queen/King can or cannot do, does or does not do, or should or should not do. The point is that as a UK citizen, you do not have a choice but to accept the monarchy. No UK citizen is exempt from recognizing the status of the monarchy.

Ergo, your statement that you do not care about monarchy, you do not have a king/queen, etc. means nothing. It is factually incorrect because as a UK/Commonwealth citizen, you do not get to choose.

Anti-Monarchy sentiment has existed in Britain throughout the course of history, predominantly after the monarchy was reestablished in 1660. It has continued to the modern day and it is not going away.

If you are pro-republic that is absolutely fine. As a UK citizen, it is your right to voice your concern over something that you do not approve of However, you need to be less delusional over your choice of words and acknowledge the fact that you are not exempt from accepting the monarchy.

Not only Technics and King but you and [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] are also subjects. No UK citizen is exempt from being a subject but while people like Technics and King acknowledge that and do not have an issue because it is does not make any difference to their lives, you and our friend Cpt. are in staunch denial so it is inevitable that you will be shown the mirror if you adopt a condescending tone towards those UK citizens who are not anti-Monarchy.

Furthermore, you need to realize that Monarchy is part of the British culture and identity and this system is working for the UK. There is no reason for a change. The UK is one of the most multicultural countries in the world with a very big heart.

It has welcomed millions of immigrants like you and Cpt. with open arms instead of closing the door on you and asking you to return to country of your origin but that does not mean that it should let go of its roots and forego a part of its identity, culture, and history.

This is the problem, they've all become ungrateful because they never had to go through the sacrifices that their fathers and grandfathers had to go through when they first came here.

I agree, if one doesn't like it here, then there's nothing to stop them going back country of their origin.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is the problem, they've all become ungrateful because they never had to go through the sacrifices that their fathers and grandfathers had to go through when they first came here.

I agree, if one doesn't like it here, then there's nothing to stop them going back to county of their origin.

Why are you grateful to King Charles for? Please explain.

Also would you bend the knee to him or bow your neck ? Do you think he is a superior person to you and superior to your dad , uncle , grandfather?

Sounds like Chaca Tommy

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is the problem, they've all become ungrateful because they never had to go through the sacrifices that their fathers and grandfathers had to go through when they first came here.

I agree, if one doesn't like it here, then there's nothing to stop them going back to country of their origin.

The problem for you and your pal Mamoon is you are still talking brown sahib talk, and by that, I mean referring to born Brits like myself as if we were immigrants. This is your own mentality, and if you aren't an immigrant, you really need to take a good look at yourself. Mamoon, it is understandable, he is a foreigner in a distant land, albeit a proud Anglophile, but I'm sure you have said previously you are a born Brit. So why are you talking about sacrifices of immigrant ancestors? Do you think Brits think of themselves that way?

 

[topspin]

Why are you grateful to King Charles for? Please explain.

Also would you bend the knee to him or bow your neck ? Do you think he is a superior person to you and superior to your dad , uncle , grandfather?

Sounds like Chaca Tommy

I actually hate King Charles but I have no choice to accept his status as the monarch for the Commonwealth.

 

[topspin]

The problem for you and your pal Mamoon is you are still talking brown sahib talk, and by that, I mean referring to born Brits like myself as if we were immigrants. This is your own mentality, and if you aren't an immigrant, you really need to take a good look at yourself. Mamoon, it is understandable, he is a foreigner in a distant land, albeit a proud Anglophile, but I'm sure you have said previously you are a born Brit. So why are you talking about sacrifices of immigrant ancestors? Do you think Brits think of themselves that way?

In response to your first question, we owe them our respect for their sacrifices. They put their life on the line to help secure our future here.

Caucasian Brits don't think this way because their ancestors didn't come from South Asia.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I actually hate King Charles but I have no choice to accept his status as the monarch for the Commonwealth.

Its a meaningless position. You are no less of a human or less superiour to any Royal. They are only in this position due to some birth right.

 

[Robert]

In response to your first question, we owe them our respect for their sacrifices. They put their life on the line to help secure our future here.

Caucasian Brits don't think this way because their ancestors didn't come from South Asia.

We think that way about our grandparents for saving us from Hitler and setting up the Welfare State.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In response to your first question, we owe them our respect for their sacrifices. They put their life on the line to help secure our future here.

Caucasian Brits don't think this way because their ancestors didn't come from South Asia.

So Brits who aren't of Caucasian descent should think of themselves as more indebted from a racial perspective?

 

[topspin]

We think that way about our grandparents for saving us from Hitler and setting up the Welfare State.

We should also thank the Russians for saving us from the Nazis.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We should also thank the Russians for saving us from the Nazis.

Now you've just messed it up for Robert

However its interesting some of the Royals were very pro Nazi. Edward VII was a big fan.

He even taught a young Elizabeth how to do the Nazi greeting.

Does anyone know any more regarding this? Another reason for no monarchy as head of state, you cant trust them.

 

[MenInG]

Any more posts referring to people from pind etc in a derogatory manner will be deleted.

Learn to respect fellow posters or dont post on PP.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Any more posts referring to people from pind etc in a derogatory manner will be deleted.

Learn to respect fellow posters or dont post on PP.

Respectfully, I disagree with this MiG. My family had roots in a Pakistani pind, in fact we still have family living there. That many of us have achieved so much outside of that pind doesn't detract from it, only shows what unrealised potential was there to begin with.

 

[topspin]

So Brits who aren't of Caucasian descent should think of themselves as more indebted from a racial perspective?

No because that would be the Priti Patel school of thought. Any sensible questions?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No because that would be the Priti Patel school of thought. Any sensible questions?

Plenty but your pind references have been removed so your brown sahib credentials have been rescued from the jaws of defeat.

 

[topspin]

Plenty but your pind references have been removed so your brown sahib credentials have been rescued from the jaws of defeat.

Speak for yourself. You've been labelled this from other respectable posters in the past so no idea why you're associating me to be one of those brown sahibs. I guess it must be one of those weird fantasies of yours.

The pind references were actually aimed at you by Mamoon. He did make a fair point especially for yourself, who one minute is a Proud Brit who's only here to provide British perspective, next minute the mask slips out and you expose your village behaviour.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Tucker Carlson believes after the Royals and British left India, they left a civilisation.

He is a grade A idiot but many monarchist actually believe the British Empire civilised those it ruled by force.

Tucker is American but still supports them .....because they are like him white and western.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Speak for yourself. You've been labelled this from other respectable posters in the past so no idea why you're associating me to be one of those brown sahibs. I guess it must be one of those weird fantasies of yours.

The pind references were actually aimed at you by Mamoon. He did make a fair point especially for yourself, who one minute is a Proud Brit who's only here to provide British perspective, next minute the mask slips out and you expose your village behaviour.

Did you miss the Lord of the Rings trilogy? Brits are quite proud of their villages if you only were aware of it. Now you have blamed Mamoon for the village Pakistani references, I wonder how Romali Rotti will feel about it as he was the first hindutva to refer in such terms?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The reasoning used by many royalists is that the monarchy is the one constant that unites all sections of England and thus is the foundation of the country .. just like Islam is the foundational backbone for a country like Pakistan.

On some level, this argument makes sense.

It was not only the crown but Christianity and the English language as well. One Kingdom with one language and one religion. Because of that the English became one people, and now you can get rid of Christianity and the crown it wont matter, because they have a shared history together. The pagan and the Christian history is theirs. Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Norman, etc all of it is their history.

Now imagine if in England Cornish or some other language was still spoken. Speakers of the that language would not see themselves as English. Their would be a divide.

Same way if parts of the English people were still pagan, they might not see the Christian history as theirs. Instead of viewing the beautiful churches and cathedrals of England as part of their heritage, they might be thinking of the ancient pagan temples which no longer exist.

 

[Robert]

We should also thank the Russians for saving us from the Nazis.

It was a pact with the Devil. Stalin was a true monster who murdered more people than Hitler.

USSR should thank the West for sending them weapons, and bombing Nazi Germany flat so that they had to face fewer tanks and aircraft.

Attlee immediately realised that USSR was the new totalitarian enemy, commissioned the British nuclear deterrent and helped set up NATO.

 

[Robert]

Now you've just messed it up for Robert

However its interesting some of the Royals were very pro Nazi. Edward VII was a big fan.

He even taught a young Elizabeth how to do the Nazi greeting.

Does anyone know any more regarding this? Another reason for no monarchy as head of state, you cant trust them.

I know all about it. After Edward abdicated, Churchill sent him to the Bahamas as Governor - getting him out of Britain for the duration of the war. MI6 kept tabs on him there. Curiously the agent in charge was the actor Kit Harrington’s grandfather.

 

[Robert]

It was not only the crown but Christianity and the English language as well. One Kingdom with one language and one religion. Because of that the English became one people, and now you can get rid of Christianity and the crown it wont matter, because they have a shared history together. The pagan and the Christian history is theirs. Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Norman, etc all of it is their history.

Now imagine if in England Cornish or some other language was still spoken. Speakers of the that language would not see themselves as English. Their would be a divide.

Same way if parts of the English people were still pagan, they might not see the Christian history as theirs. Instead of viewing the beautiful churches and cathedrals of England as part of their heritage, they might be thinking of the ancient pagan temples which no longer exist.

The English conquerors all but extirpated Cornish but it is making a comeback, with street signs in both languages. Cornish Lib Dem MPs used to take their oath in Cornish. There are a few hundred speakers. They generally hate England and want to be independent.

Welsh is spoken by a million. King Charles gave an address partly in Welsh yesterday.

There are lots of English pagans. I have met a few. You can be married by a Druid.

 

[Pakpak]

Tucker Carlson believes after the Royals and British left India, they left a civilisation.

He is a grade A idiot but many monarchist actually believe the British Empire civilised those it ruled by force.

Tucker is American but still supports them .....because they are like him white and western.

Also hilarious as all the colonisers in the US actually came to the US due to running from the Monarchy Tucker also called the British Empire benign......grade A scumbag

 

[Rajdeep]

Anyone staying in Britain and especially holding British Passport is saying he/she dont believe in Monarchy has no right to stay in the country. The fact that thousands of people queing up in London, standing for approx 20 hours day and night beating cold to pay last respect to the queen means mass majority loved the royal family. The haters are only small minority and are mostly non-whites who either are immigrant themselves and now hold British passport enjoying all the privileges comes with it or they are born in this country in a family of immigrants.

I am an Indian and would never want this monarchy thing in my country. But since I live in UK, I repect the emotions of people here and have no problem in saying "Lord Saves the King!"

Afterall, I cant be a hypocrite you see.

 

[Technics 1210]

The - Shashi Tharoor Kohi Noor - cult living in the UK need a wake up call.

These lot are Stockholm syndrome suffering, narrow minded, backward plebeian living in the the days of the colonial mindset with a chip on their shoulder, moreover, cannot make a point without choking on skin colour.

When you have UK Pakistanis (Pakistan would not have existed had it not been for the monarchy), willing to join forces with Indians in the quest to return the Kohi-noor, you know the opposition to the Monarchy is not down to logic or reason, but misery; after all, the Queen woke up on the 8th Sept and decided to die on that day because some random user on PP would lose £100K.

Businesses were notified of an adhoc bank holiday one week in advance, the first in 70 years! Poor business management if you still end up in a loss. If the public were educated enough they’d know there is a protocol and process invoked when the head of state dies. Moreover this protocol is extended to when a Prime Minister dies when in office.

If you hate the Monarchy, then fine, but prove you stand by your principles. If you dislike the Monarchy, then fine, but keep your trap shut cos you didn’t speak up before the death of the Queen. Last but not least, if you abolish the Monarchy, it makes squat difference to your lives, what does make a difference is the government you vote for.

Tradition is what makes the UK one of the greatest nations on earth, don’t like it, then deal with it, the Monarchy isn’t going anywhere, it is here to stay, and will outlast your existence, your generation, and your ilk.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The - Shashi Tharoor Kohi Noor - cult living in the UK need a wake up call.

These lot are Stockholm syndrome suffering, narrow minded, backward plebeian living in the the days of the colonial mindset with a chip on their shoulder, moreover, cannot make a point without choking on skin colour.

When you have UK Pakistanis (Pakistan would not have existed had it not been for the monarchy), willing to join forces with Indians in the quest to return the Kohi-noor, you know the opposition to the Monarchy is not down to logic or reason, but misery; after all, the Queen woke up on the 8th Sept and decided to die on that day because some random user on PP would lose £100K.

Businesses were notified of an adhoc bank holiday one week in advance, the first in 70 years! Poor business management if you still end up in a loss. If the public were educated enough they’d know there is a protocol and process invoked when the head of state dies. Moreover this protocol is extended to when a Prime Minister dies when in office.

If you hate the Monarchy, then fine, but prove you stand by your principles. If you dislike the Monarchy, then fine, but keep your trap shut cos you didn’t speak up before the death of the Queen. Last but not least, if you abolish the Monarchy, it makes squat difference to your lives, what does make a difference is the government you vote for.

Tradition is what makes the UK one of the greatest nations on earth, don’t like it, then deal with it, the Monarchy isn’t going anywhere, it is here to stay, and will outlast your existence, your generation, and your ilk.

lol.

Millions have been against this backward medieval monarchy for centuries, not now because your beloved Queen who you were a subject too has kicked the bucket.

If the jewels were all returned, their crown would be something like a Christmas cracker paper hat.

Many people inc businesses lost money because they had to rearrange, close etc.

As a Loyal subject will you reimburse people who lost money for sporting events too?

But im most interested to know why you think a white pale old person who doesnt know you exist is superiour to you and you are a subject to this person(s)?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Also hilarious as all the colonisers in the US actually came to the US due to running from the Monarchy Tucker also called the British Empire benign......grade A scumbag

For people like Tucker and coconuts without the British Empire the world would be in the stone age. The length some will go to justify their crimes is funny.

I wonder if the Natives of America all feel the same as Tucker. The British Royals took their land and massacred them for greed. I doubt the empire was benign to them.

 

[Technics 1210]

lol.

Millions have been against this backward medieval monarchy for centuries, not now because your beloved Queen who you were a subject too has kicked the bucket.

If the jewels were all returned, their crown would be something like a Christmas cracker paper hat.

Many people inc businesses lost money because they had to rearrange, close etc.

As a Loyal subject will you reimburse people who lost money for sporting events too?

But im most interested to know why you think a white pale old person who doesnt know you exist is superiour to you and you are a subject to this person(s)?

The Queen didn’t know you, but you knew her. This is power and influence.

I sincerely hope you recoup your losses; after all, the only colour that matters to you, is the colour of money.

And save the loyalty malarky, especially now you are loyal to India and Shashi ‘Kohi Noor’ Tharoor cult.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Queen didn’t know you, but you knew her. This is power and influence.

I sincerely hope you recoup your losses; after all, the only colour that matters to you, is the colour of money.

And save the loyalty malarky, especially now you are loyal to India and Shashi ‘Kohi Noor’ Tharoor cult.

I didnt know her more than I knew Jimmy Saville.

The losses were covered for me but for others it was a total loss. Of course money is the most important factor in my life after family. Why should people suffer financial losses over some rich womans death?

I felt all the stolen jewels should be returned before I knew who Tharoor was.

But again, I really want to know ...why you think a white pale old person who doesnt know you exist is superiour to you and you are a subject to this person(s)?

 

[Technics 1210]

I didnt know her more than I knew Jimmy Saville.

The losses were covered for me but for others it was a total loss. Of course money is the most important factor in my life after family. Why should people suffer financial losses over some rich womans death?

I felt all the stolen jewels should be returned before I knew who Tharoor was.

But again, I really want to know ...why you think a white pale old person who doesnt know you exist is superiour to you and you are a subject to this person(s)?

What I find intriguing is you have admitted to losing £100K because of one bank holiday that was the result of the death of the Queen, but I cannot recall you complaining losing money when 2 bank holidays were declared during the Platinum jubilee of the Queen last year.

The Queen is not the only one superior to a UK subject and citizen; the PM, government MPs, members of the House of Lords, aristocratics, and anyone loaded with wad, is superior to the common man one way or another.

The late Queen, and now King, offer you protection abroad, when you travel on your UK passport, where you sign your international business deals, and the best part is, you do not have to kneel, prostrate, bow, or beg for mercy. This is called a privilege, and guess what, you were born into it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What I find intriguing is you have admitted to losing £100K because of one bank holiday that was the result of the death of the Queen, but I cannot recall you complaining losing money when 2 bank holidays were declared during the Platinum jubilee of the Queen last year.

The Queen is not the only one superior to a UK subject and citizen; the PM, government MPs, members of the House of Lords, aristocratics, and anyone loaded with wad, is superior to the common man one way or another.

The late Queen, and now King, offer you protection abroad, when you travel on your UK passport, where you sign your international business deals, and the best part is, you do not have to kneel, prostrate, bow, or beg for mercy. This is called a privilege, and guess what, you were born into it.

Other bank holidays were set in advance. All bank holidays for Royalty should be scrapped.

I meant superiour as a human being not their title. Those are only superiour in their jobs. Again, why are these humans superiour to you , making you bow your neck to them? Btw how did the neck exercises go?

lol. They dont offer any protection, only being a British citizen which could be without these degenerates as heads of states.

 

[Technics 1210]

Other bank holidays were set in advance. All bank holidays for Royalty should be scrapped.

I meant superiour as a human being not their title. Those are only superiour in their jobs. Again, why are these humans superiour to you , making you bow your neck to them? Btw how did the neck exercises go?

lol. They dont offer any protection, only being a British citizen which could be without these degenerates as heads of states.

All bank holidays should be scrapped for Royals yet other bank holidays were set in advance? Really?

First of all, ALL bank holidays are declared by royal proclamation, this includes the standard 8 bank holidays we have each year.

Secondly, the bank holiday on the 19th September was declared by Royal decree a week in advance, and was accounted for in the protocol when the head of state dies, this was common knowledge, but guess what, no one knows when one is going to die.

A week’s notice is enough, especially for a business that loses £100K turnover in a day!

Since you have claimed your losses were covered, I really have no idea why you are weeping.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Anyone staying in Britain and especially holding British Passport is saying he/she dont believe in Monarchy has no right to stay in the country. T

So hundreds of thousands white British natives should have no right to stay in their own country because they don't believe in the monarchy?

 

[James]

100k loss for one Bank Holiday suggests that we have a user on the forum who makes up to £36.5 million per year before expenses and taxes. We are in the presence of a millionaire.