Is it time to abolish the British Monarchy?

[Usman]

100k loss for one Bank Holiday suggests that we have a user on the forum who makes up to £36.5 million per year before expenses and taxes. We are in the presence of a millionaire.

Did he mean a company he works for or a company he owns? If the latter, I agree with you that it’s just rubbish. If the former however, that’s credible. Where I work, the value of a day’s work is somewhere between 8 or 9 times that, but obviously I am an employee so that’s not my money. So I love the fact that we have a bank holiday!

 

[KingKhanWC]

All bank holidays should be scrapped for Royals yet other bank holidays were set in advance? Really?

First of all, ALL bank holidays are declared by royal proclamation, this includes the standard 8 bank holidays we have each year.

Secondly, the bank holiday on the 19th September was declared by Royal decree a week in advance, and was accounted for in the protocol when the head of state dies, this was common knowledge, but guess what, no one knows when one is going to die.

A week’s notice is enough, especially for a business that loses £100K turnover in a day!

Since you have claimed your losses were covered, I really have no idea why you are weeping.

Again you should be weeping , the old woman is yet to be buried .

Ignore repeating the bank holiday ..

I ask again why do you feel this degenerate family are all superior humans to you ?

Prince Andrew who is a nonce can technically be your King & you his subject . Will you bow your neck to him if this happens ?

 

[KingKhanWC]

100k loss for one Bank Holiday suggests that we have a user on the forum who makes up to £36.5 million per year before expenses and taxes. We are in the presence of a millionaire.

Where did I write I own 100% of a company ?

Read carefully & stick to topic

 

[Technics 1210]

Still stuck on Andrew hypotheticals, when Charles has confirmed Andrew will never step in to be King. This is a royal decree by the current King Charles III and future king, William.

But the Shashi ‘Kohi Noor’ Tharoor cult will continue to weep until the Kohi Noor is Fed Ex’d to India.

The Monarchy is here to stay, and I expect all those who respected the Queen (Millions in the UK and Millions around the world), to observe the minutes silence on what will be a sad day tomorrow.

Tomorrow will see Elizabeth Alexandra Mary buried next to he husband Prince Philip, and seal her 70 years of reign.

It will be a poignant moment.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Still stuck on Andrew hypotheticals, when Charles has confirmed Andrew will never step in to be King. This is a royal decree by the current King Charles III and future king, William.

But the Shashi ‘Kohi Noor’ Tharoor cult will continue to weep until the Kohi Noor is Fed Ex’d to India.

The Monarchy is here to stay, and I expect all those who respected the Queen (Millions in the UK and Millions around the world), to observe the minutes silence on what will be a sad day tomorrow.

Tomorrow will see Elizabeth Alexandra Mary buried next to he husband Prince Philip, and seal her 70 years of reign.

It will be a poignant moment.

Only for subjects .

I won’t press you on answering any more questions regarding Andrew, it’s clear you cannot now denounce his position in the council as you’re a fan of all royals .

 

[Technics 1210]

Only for subjects .

I won’t press you on answering any more questions regarding Andrew, it’s clear you cannot now denounce his position in the council as you’re a fan of all royals .

You, me, and every British Citizen is a subject.

As for Andrew, there is an entire thread on him where I have denounced and ridiculed him.

And yes, don’t push for an answer to a hypothetical imaginary fantasy question - it means you have no more arguments left. You just have no arguments left which is why you are having to resort to an intellectually bankrupt point.

Please do keep us updated on the quest for the Kohi Noor.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You, me, and every British Citizen is a subject.

As for Andrew, there is an entire thread on him where I have denounced and ridiculed him.

And yes, don’t push for an answer to a hypothetical imaginary fantasy question - it means you have no more arguments left. You just have no arguments left which is why you are having to resort to an intellectually bankrupt point.

Please do keep us updated on the quest for the Kohi Noor.

You bow your neck not me . Do educate yourself on the council . I think you’ve changed your mind & would also bow to him if he became king . Think of the children pls .

Wearing black pants tomorrow?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I remember as a child when Diana died that I was quite surprised at the vast outpouring of grief for a woman that most people had never met or known.

Similarly, I find some of the grief expressed by joe public at the death of the queen to be quite creepy, the people seem slightly deranged and its quite disturbing rather than it being a badge of honour to wait 12 hours to pay "respects" to an empty box.

It's the type of thing that the British media make fun of ex communist countries for - yet those people are generally forced but we are quite free to ignore it all.

Anyway, while I am not majorly for the concept of Monarchy I am not against it either. I genuinely believe Charles will represent us well on the world stage and his calm spirituality will hopefully have some effect on elected politicians.

But what is clear by the mass queues and grief is that the British public is deeply attached to the institution and the world also watches the pantomime with keen interest.

So it makes no sense to abolish it - the people don't want it to go, the world doesn't want it to go, it probably pays for itself and projects a positive image to the world.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I remember as a child when Diana died that I was quite surprised at the vast outpouring of grief for a woman that most people had never met or known.

Similarly, I find some of the grief expressed by joe public at the death of the queen to be quite creepy, the people seem slightly deranged and its quite disturbing rather than it being a badge of honour to wait 12 hours to pay "respects" to an empty box.

It's the type of thing that the British media make fun of ex communist countries for - yet those people are generally forced but we are quite free to ignore it all.

Anyway, while I am not majorly for the concept of Monarchy I am not against it either. I genuinely believe Charles will represent us well on the world stage and his calm spirituality will hopefully have some effect on elected politicians.

But what is clear by the mass queues and grief is that the British public is deeply attached to the institution and the world also watches the pantomime with keen interest.

So it makes no sense to abolish it - the people don't want it to go, the world doesn't want it to go, it probably pays for itself and projects a positive image to the world.

Empty box ? I don’t watch it but thought her body is inside ?

 

[Technics 1210]

You bow your neck not me . Do educate yourself on the council . I think you’ve changed your mind & would also bow to him if he became king . Think of the children pls .

Wearing black pants tomorrow?

Liar, when did I bow my neck?

Now you have been reduced to putting words in my mouth.

This sums up your argument, you have none.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Empty box ? I don’t watch it but thought her body is inside ?

I doubt it man. 10 days in a coffin doesn't feel right to me, despite what they say.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I doubt it man. 10 days in a coffin doesn't feel right to me, despite what they say.

One can never trust royals , it might be empty but I think she was injected to keep her body from decomposing . I agree 10 days is weird

 

[Technics 1210]

I doubt it man. 10 days in a coffin doesn't feel right to me, despite what they say.

Queen is in a coffin lined with lead. The lead blocks moisture so the body decomposes at a super slow rate.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think this topic isn't helped by those outside of Britain who don't understand English culture. We have idiotic suggestsions from the likes of [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION], that anyone who doesn't believe in the monarchy should be asked to leave the country...without realising that many white Brits don't believe in it either. This is either Hindutva driven, or just inferiority complex.

 

[James]

I doubt it man. 10 days in a coffin doesn't feel right to me, despite what they say.

Embalming a body and putting it inside a coffin, at least in a country with a mild climate, will keep the occupant perfectly preserved for a while.

My grandmother’s funeral (I carried the coffin) took place a month after she died and this is not uncommon outside of immediate burial traditions.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Queen is in a coffin lined with lead. The lead blocks moisture so the body decomposes at a super slow rate.

How long did you que for ?

She’s also been injected , process called Embalming. As loyal subject you’d lose a pub quiz on royals

 

[James]

One can never trust royals , it might be empty but I think she was injected to keep her body from decomposing . I agree 10 days is weird

Queen is in a coffin lined with lead. The lead blocks moisture so the body decomposes at a super slow rate.

Embalming, gents.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I doubt it man. 10 days in a coffin doesn't feel right to me, despite what they say.

It feels weird to us because it is Muslim tradition to bury the body as soon as possible before it starts to decompose. I suppose if there are methods to slow the process it's not such a priority to bury quickly for non-Muslims.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Embalming, gents.

How well is the body preserved ? Still looks the same ?

 

[Technics 1210]

Embalming, gents.

Yes, and a lead coffin too.

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/...why-is-lead-used-what-happens-to-body-3841503

 

[James]

How well is the body preserved ? Still looks the same ?

Yes pretty much. The main difference is that the blood is drained from the body and replaced with embalming fluid, which greatly delays decomposition but also makes the skin tone look paler. Apart from that, the same.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Embalming a body and putting it inside a coffin, at least in a country with a mild climate, will keep the occupant perfectly preserved for a while.

My grandmother’s funeral (I carried the coffin) took place a month after she died and this is not uncommon outside of immediate burial traditions.

Thanks for the answer.

I would have assumed that in most cases when embalming is carried out the body is kept refrigerated and not left out in a coffin for a number of days.

I guess the combination of embalming and the lead coffin that technics mentioned probably means its kept reasonably well preserved.

 

[James]

Thanks for the answer.

I would have assumed that in most cases when embalming is carried out the body is kept refrigerated and not left out in a coffin for a number of days.

I guess the combination of embalming and the lead coffin that technics mentioned probably means its kept reasonably well preserved.

I am not going to completely rubbish the “empty box theory”, but I think it would be difficult for them to get away with it due to the extreme level of scrutiny. The Queen’s body and the Royal family have had multiple cameras on them basically 24/7 since it was announced on the day of her death that she was gravely ill. They can’t get away with anything at the moment so is easier on this occasion to be fully transparent. Tomorrow, every slight movement and step, up to & including the lowering of the coffin into the ground covered in fresh soil, is going to be televised globally.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I am not going to completely rubbish the “empty box theory”, but I think it would be difficult for them to get away with it due to the extreme level of scrutiny. The Queen’s body and the Royal family have had multiple cameras on them basically 24/7 since it was announced on the day of her death that she was gravely ill. They can’t get away with anything at the moment so is easier on this occasion to be fully transparent. Tomorrow, every slight movement and step, up to & including the lowering of the coffin into the ground covered in fresh soil, is going to be televised globally.

I may be wrong but the burial is a private event and there will be no cameras.

 

[James]

I may be wrong but the burial is a private event and there will be no cameras.

Ah ok. That’s probably for the best. This has been a well observed mourning period but by this time tomorrow it will be just about time to move on.

 

[Kroll]

I think this topic isn't helped by those outside of Britain who don't understand English culture. We have idiotic suggestsions from the likes of [MENTION=152021]Rajdeep[/MENTION], that anyone who doesn't believe in the monarchy should be asked to leave the country...without realising that many white Brits don't believe in it either. This is either Hindutva driven, or just inferiority complex.

Scotland also has a very staunch pro monarchy element mainly exemplified by the Rangers supporting Protestant community. On the other hand Celtic supporters largely drawn form the Catholic community have disrespected the Royal Family and the official mourning period.

You won't find it as polarising anywhere in the rest of Britain as you will in the west of Scotland.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Banner in the Celtic end against St Mirren during minute’s applause for the Queen. <a href="https://t.co/ST6SUrfiDR">pic.twitter.com/ST6SUrfiDR</a></p>— Andrew Maclean (@AndrewMaclean_) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewMaclean_/status/1571454071772438530?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rangers pay tribute to Queen Elizabeth II with national anthem and fan mosaic</p>— talkSPORT (@talkSPORT) <a href="https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1570130516031963141?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Robert]

One can never trust royals , it might be empty but I think she was injected to keep her body from decomposing . I agree 10 days is weird

Embalming. They empty the blood vessels and fill them with formaldehyde, as well as other techniques. My old Nan lay in her open coffin in our house for a week before burial, as is the Irish way.

 

[Zaz]

Anyone staying in Britain and especially holding British Passport is saying he/she dont believe in Monarchy has no right to stay in the country. The fact that thousands of people queing up in London, standing for approx 20 hours day and night beating cold to pay last respect to the queen means mass majority loved the royal family. The haters are only small minority and are mostly non-whites who either are immigrant themselves and now hold British passport enjoying all the privileges comes with it or they are born in this country in a family of immigrants.

I am an Indian and would never want this monarchy thing in my country. But since I live in UK, I repect the emotions of people here and have no problem in saying "Lord Saves the King!"

Afterall, I cant be a hypocrite you see.

Sorry thats not how things work in the uk Every citizen has the full right to oppose the concept of the royal family and remain in the uk

The two are not mutually exclusive

 

[James]

On the mourning period, everyone has their right to an opinion and people should only sing / bow / etc if they wish to. I would also welcome republican views. I do think that people who go out of their way to be disrespectful after someone’s (anyone’s) death are being pretty classless though. That’s not having a republican view but is something else entirely. Booing, hissing, chanting against the Queen during the mourning period is really poor form and just attention seeking really.

 

[RexRex]

Tis funny that people think the Queen's body is actually in the coffin. It's lying in a freezer somewhere, no way will they let it decompose in the heat and with the travel required.

I don't know what's actually in there. Imagine the horror of those paying respect in Westminister if the coffin accidentally drops on the floor and a ton of bricks came out.

 

[Chrish]

Monarch really has no real power. It’s just a title. In fact, they make appearances here and there saving time for PM so PM can do more with their time instead of wasting time on useless speeches. I wish, america would do something similar where VP would handle these affairs freeing up time for the president.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

On the mourning period, everyone has their right to an opinion and people should only sing / bow / etc if they wish to. I would also welcome republican views. I do think that people who go out of their way to be disrespectful after someone’s (anyone’s) death are being pretty classless though. That’s not having a republican view but is something else entirely. Booing, hissing, chanting against the Queen during the mourning period is really poor form and just attention seeking really.

I would agree with this. I have no real feelings about the Royal family, although I think the whole concept is outdated and backwards. But the Queen seemed like a decent woman, and she deserves respect. Thousands of people queueing for hours to catch a glimpse of her coffin just seems barmy to me though. Half of them probably wouldn't want to attend their own gran's funeral.

 

[Robert]

Tis funny that people think the Queen's body is actually in the coffin. It's lying in a freezer somewhere, no way will they let it decompose in the heat and with the travel required.

I don't know what's actually in there. Imagine the horror of those paying respect in Westminister if the coffin accidentally drops on the floor and a ton of bricks came out.

To me it’s funny that you would think otherwise.

The body is full of formaldehyde and laying on a big cold stone slab in a chilly hall. This is how Christians in temperate countries do things.

 

[Robert]

For people like Tucker and coconuts without the British Empire the world would be in the stone age. The length some will go to justify their crimes is funny.

It’s odd, as the American colonists cast off the Empire.

He’s your bog-standard white supremacist.

 

[Technics 1210]

On the mourning period, everyone has their right to an opinion and people should only sing / bow / etc if they wish to. I would also welcome republican views. I do think that people who go out of their way to be disrespectful after someone’s (anyone’s) death are being pretty classless though. That’s not having a republican view but is something else entirely. Booing, hissing, chanting against the Queen during the mourning period is really poor form and just attention seeking really.

Nailed it.

It is actually more respectful for anti-Monarchs by keeping quiet during the period of mourning.

We hear of Liverpool fans opposing the minute's silence for the Queen, with boos and banners, imagine if people booed during the minute's silence when remembering the dead from the Hillsborough disaster.

 

[Technics 1210]

Monarch really has no real power. It’s just a title. In fact, they make appearances here and there saving time for PM so PM can do more with their time instead of wasting time on useless speeches. I wish, america would do something similar where VP would handle these affairs freeing up time for the president.

Monarch is not just a title, it is an institution and tradition. The Queen did more to maintain and expand global relationships with the UK than any PM ever has, and the world reaction to her death is proof of this.

The Queen will be dearly missed.

 

[Technics 1210]

Tis funny that people think the Queen's body is actually in the coffin. It's lying in a freezer somewhere, no way will they let it decompose in the heat and with the travel required.

I don't know what's actually in there. Imagine the horror of those paying respect in Westminister if the coffin accidentally drops on the floor and a ton of bricks came out.

I think you are right. The Queen hasn't died, it's all a front just so Charles can ascend to King while his mother was beamed up to the alien mothership on the 8th September. This is perhaps why the Queen's coffin, lying in state, is just a 4D hologram created by alien technology, so there is no chance of an accidental drop because the coffin is actually hovering in mid air.

 

[Markhor]

A group called Republic are calling for Elizabeth II to be the last monarch of the UK.

Elizabeth was the 2nd longest reigning monarch in history, many grew up with her.

Charles is not liked nearly as much. Many feel he let Diana down, he had an affair for years lying to the public. He has little to no charisma.

Is it time to end this medieval tradition of people born with a silver spoon in their mouths ,esp since living standards have declined rapidly?

Its a Yes from me. All men and women are born equal, all die equal.

I grew up republican, but now I'm ambivalent about it. For all their faults, absurd rituals, misguided notions of hereditary power - the British monarchy has lasted centuries and is intrinsic to British cultural identity. If you ask a random person in the world what springs to mind when they think about Britain - the Queen's one of the first things they mention. If we replaced the monarchy with a President, what differentiates Britain from any other nation ?

However what's also absurd is the elevation of the Queen to sainthood since her death with the wall-to-wall coverage, abandonment of sporting fixtures, Twitter logos turning black, the forced public expressions of grief for a woman who very few truly know and condemnation of those who refuse to join in the mass hysteria.

Isn't it ironic that those who are quick to criticise wokeism, "political correctness" and erosion of free speech are the loudest voices now guilt-tripping those who refuse to participate in royalist worship ? As long as the protests remain dignified, they're free to exercise their democratic rights.

I understand why Elizabeth II generates affection. She generally conducted herself with class and dignity, that's uncontested. She became a grandmotherly figure and in a world of change - she was a constant. However she never made a public stance on a single matter - she was a monarch to be seen and not heard, which to be fair is the role of a constitutional monarch. It's whispered she was unhappy Margaret Thatcher opposed sanctions on Apartheid South Africa, and she loved her horse racing. That's about it, meaning people can project themselves on this blank canvas.

Respect for the dead is fine, but revisionism is not. There's little transparency about the royal finances, and the Queen fought tooth and nail to ensure that. She only started paying taxes in 1992 when republicanism peaked in a year of royal scandal. Thanks to a 1993 agreement, Charles doesn't have to pay a penny on his inheritance.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/s...2784/queen-elizabeth-royal-family-tax-breaks/

She was also too indulgent of Prince Andrew who's been described as her favourite son. Look, parents will do anything for their children but he should've been slapped down for hanging out with a known sex offender, then making pathetic excuses. Don't assume that was Andrew's only scandal. He was a Trade Envoy for 10 years, and abused his position charging the taxpayer thousands for leisurely trips to corrupt tyrants. The Kazakhstan President's son-in-law paid millions over the odds for Andrew's Surrey mansion.

Finally, regarding colonialism. It's silly to blame Elizabeth II for the sins for her ancestors. She oversaw the biggest contraction of British Empire in centuries. However it's fair to criticise what her throne symbolised. Her husband's uncle, Louis Mountbatten, oversaw the bloodiest and disasterous territorial Partition in history. With only several thousand useless Frontiermen patrolling the border, and his insistence on rushing British withdrawal forward from June 1948 to Aug 1947, we saw the worst pogroms in 20th Century history. He was killed by the IRA in 1979 and people wanted to scrub his record then too. 1 million Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs died on his watch.

Again may she rest in peace, I hope Charles succeeds as King (and stops interfering in politics like the Black Spider memos revealed), but let's keep things in balance.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I grew up republican, but now I'm ambivalent about it. For all their faults, absurd rituals, misguided notions of hereditary power - the British monarchy has lasted centuries and is intrinsic to British cultural identity. If you ask a random person in the world what springs to mind when they think about Britain - the Queen's one of the first things they mention. If we replaced the monarchy with a President, what differentiates Britain from any other nation ?

However what's also absurd is the elevation of the Queen to sainthood since her death with the wall-to-wall coverage, abandonment of sporting fixtures, Twitter logos turning black, the forced public expressions of grief for a woman who very few truly know and condemnation of those who refuse to join in the mass hysteria.

Isn't it ironic that those who are quick to criticise wokeism, "political correctness" and erosion of free speech are the loudest voices now guilt-tripping those who refuse to participate in royalist worship ? As long as the protests remain dignified, they're free to exercise their democratic rights.

I understand why Elizabeth II generates affection. She generally conducted herself with class and dignity, that's uncontested. She became a grandmotherly figure and in a world of change - she was a constant. However she never made a public stance on a single matter - she was a monarch to be seen and not heard, which to be fair is the role of a constitutional monarch. It's whispered she was unhappy Margaret Thatcher opposed sanctions on Apartheid South Africa, and she loved her horse racing. That's about it, meaning people can project themselves on this blank canvas.

Respect for the dead is fine, but revisionism is not. There's little transparency about the royal finances, and the Queen fought tooth and nail to ensure that. She only started paying taxes in 1992 when republicanism peaked in a year of royal scandal. Thanks to a 1993 agreement, Charles doesn't have to pay a penny on his inheritance.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/s...2784/queen-elizabeth-royal-family-tax-breaks/

She was also too indulgent of Prince Andrew who's been described as her favourite son. Look, parents will do anything for their children but he should've been slapped down for hanging out with a known sex offender, then making pathetic excuses. Don't assume that was Andrew's only scandal. He was a Trade Envoy for 10 years, and abused his position charging the taxpayer thousands for leisurely trips to corrupt tyrants. The Kazakhstan President's son-in-law paid millions over the odds for Andrew's Surrey mansion.

Finally, regarding colonialism. It's silly to blame Elizabeth II for the sins for her ancestors. She oversaw the biggest contraction of British Empire in centuries. However it's fair to criticise what her throne symbolised. Her husband's uncle, Louis Mountbatten, oversaw the bloodiest and disasterous territorial Partition in history. With only several thousand useless Frontiermen patrolling the border, and his insistence on rushing British withdrawal forward from June 1948 to Aug 1947, we saw the worst pogroms in 20th Century history. He was killed by the IRA in 1979 and people wanted to scrub his record then too. 1 million Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs died on his watch.

Again may she rest in peace, I hope Charles succeeds as King (and stops interfering in politics like the Black Spider memos revealed), but let's keep things in balance.

Good read, thanks.

I have a few questions.

1. Why does the public finance a family which is very rich? Surely they dont need the public money esp at a time many are feeling the pinch. All bills and events should be paid for by themselves.

2. I think only God can truly judge but I dont judge her for being a lady called Elizabeth but because of what she represents, nobody says Lizzie but all say the Queen. Do you feel she bears no responsiblity for many wrong doings she has participated in. Ie. Hunting for sport...Paying to protect Andrew?

3. You say the Royals represent Britain without them...? It may be the case without the Royals UK becomes a more neutral state, less worn on its history and mends relations with much of the world. Most people in the commonwealth see Royals as a living symbol of past British colonialism, thus hating the nation.

4. Why didnt the Queen or Royals ever discuss returning the masses of stolen loot? I know they are greedy sobs but did they ever make any official comments regards this?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Scotland also has a very staunch pro monarchy element mainly exemplified by the Rangers supporting Protestant community. On the other hand Celtic supporters largely drawn form the Catholic community have disrespected the Royal Family and the official mourning period.

You won't find it as polarising anywhere in the rest of Britain as you will in the west of Scotland.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Banner in the Celtic end against St Mirren during minute’s applause for the Queen. <a href="https://t.co/ST6SUrfiDR">pic.twitter.com/ST6SUrfiDR</a></p>— Andrew Maclean (@AndrewMaclean_) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewMaclean_/status/1571454071772438530?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rangers pay tribute to Queen Elizabeth II with national anthem and fan mosaic</p>— talkSPORT (@talkSPORT) <a href="https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1570130516031963141?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Celtic is my 2nd favourite team. Both LFC and Celtic rightly are against the monarchy.

Celtic also stand up for Palestinians. Incredible club and people.

Rangers are very loyal subjects, bunch of clowns.,

 

[Markhor]

Good read, thanks.

I have a few questions.

1. Why does the public finance a family which is very rich? Surely they dont need the public money esp at a time many are feeling the pinch. All bills and events should be paid for by themselves.

2. I think only God can truly judge but I dont judge her for being a lady called Elizabeth but because of what she represents, nobody says Lizzie but all say the Queen. Do you feel she bears no responsiblity for many wrong doings she has participated in. Ie. Hunting for sport...Paying to protect Andrew?

3. You say the Royals represent Britain without them...? It may be the case without the Royals UK becomes a more neutral state, less worn on its history and mends relations with much of the world. Most people in the commonwealth see Royals as a living symbol of past British colonialism, thus hating the nation.

4. Why didnt the Queen or Royals ever discuss returning the masses of stolen loot? I know they are greedy sobs but did they ever make any official comments regards this?

Supposedly Charles is planning on trimming down the monarchy so let's see. I was reading in the FT how other European monarchies survive on much smaller budgets. They should definitely end the sovereign-to-sovereign exemption on inheritance tax (which isn't written in law but was negotiated by John Major's Govt) and the corporation tax breaks they receive on lucrative royal estates.

https://www.ft.com/content/a748a8ae-dfed-4ea1-810b-53f81cc0b394

She definitely bears some responsibility for not slapping down Andrew earlier. The guy was an embarrassment as Trade Envoy even before the Epstein revelations, palling around with corrupt dictators and making dodgy side deals.

As for hunting, maybe this makes me a bad guy but I've never been an eco-warrior or one of those Save the Whale, save this save that person. Obviously animal cruelty is wrong, and I don't think we should wipe out endangered species through hunting. However how far does one go - after all much of humanity consume animal meat. I feel more strongly about human rights.

Whether the ex-colonies would view a British Republic more positively is a hypothetical that's hard to answer. However those nations are already free to sever their own constitutional link to the monarchy - Barbados became a republic last year. Jamaica will possibly join.

The Commonwealth is a waste of time, I cannot think of anything useful to come from that organisation. Just another excuse for taxpayer funded jollies between corrupt leaders at the Palace. Regarding relics and why they haven't been returned, I don't know enough to comment about that.

 

[KingKhanWC]

^ @Makhor I feel with all this pomp, over the top year we've had with the Royals, they will use this to not trim anything but lets see.

Hunting for food is fine, the Royals hunt for bloodsport inc the Queen. Shooting tigers dead is the lowest a human ca be imo.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Interesting read.

The Habsburg Jaw And The Cost Of Royal Inbreeding In Europe

hile marriages between biological relatives were common in the ruling houses of Europe well up until the last century (Queen Elizabeth II actually married her own third cousin), the Spanish Habsburgs engaged in the practice with particularly dangerous abandon. In fact, nine out of the 11 total marriages that occurred among them during the 184 years they ruled Spain from 1516 to 1700 were incestuous.

In fact, modern researchers widely state that generations of inbreeding among the Spanish Habsburgs resulted in the infamous “Habsburg jaw” deformity and ultimately caused their downfall. Due to incest, the family’s genetic line progressively deteriorated until Charles II, the final male heir, was physically incapable of producing children, thus bringing an end to Habsburg rule.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/habsburg-jaw

Charles II. Charlie Boy III has some similarities tbf.

 

[Robert]

Hunting for food is fine, the Royals hunt for bloodsport inc the Queen. Shooting tigers dead is the lowest a human ca be imo.

Eighty years ago.

 

[Markhor]

Celtic is my 2nd favourite team. Both LFC and Celtic rightly are against the monarchy.

Celtic also stand up for Palestinians. Incredible club and people.

Rangers are very loyal subjects, bunch of clowns.,

Before the politically correct "don't insult the Royals" brigade condemn the Celtic fans, and while I agree the timing is insensitive, some context is needed here. Celtic are largely supported by Roman Catholics in Glasgow.

Roman Catholics, thanks to our archaic system, are disqualified from becoming the Head of State. Until 2013, marrying a Catholic also disqualified a royal from the line of succession.

The reason being the monarch is also Head of the Protestant (or Anglican) Church of England thanks to Henry VIII since Rome wouldn't let him break up with his woman (amongst other reasons). Now that's an argument for separation of Religion and State but that's for another day.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Eighty years ago.

Its ongoing, Tigers are thankfully now protected from the cretins but other animals are not so fortunate.

Nobody. And yet, optics-wise, there is a weird disconnect between the prince’s passionate alignment with the salvation of certain species, and his well-known passion for killing other species. William and Harry learned to hunt at the respective ages of 10 and 7, in spite of Princess Diana’s opposition. William remains an avid hunter, at home and abroad. Of course, he never hunts endangered species (although he did kill an endangered bird by “mistake” on an African hunting safari). Still, as Kevin Health of Wildlife News remarked in 2013, “when you are high-profile and a little trigger-happy, then [giving up hunting] reduces the chances of looking like a hypocrite and idiot.”

Just how “trigger-happy” is William (and his family)? Well, at Finca La Garganta, a shooting estate owned by the Duke of Westminster, Britain’s third-richest man and one of William’s godfathers, William and his brother Harry shot 740 captive-reared partridge in a single day, according to a report in the Daily Mirror last February. That’s not a patch on William’s grandfather, Prince Philip, a founding patron of the World Wildlife Fund, who reportedly killed 15,500 captive-raised birds in one five-week spree at Sandringham — a record broken in 1987 when he and his sons, Charles, Andrew and Edward, shot nearly 18,000 captive-raised pigeons, pheasants, partridges, ducks, geese, and rabbits at Sandringham.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ba...-home-to-lobby-against-illegal-wildlife-trade

Broke a world record

Queen was also involved according to some reports. Bloodsports against animals is a normal day out for Royals.

 

[Robert]

Its ongoing, Tigers are thankfully now protected from the cretins but other animals are not so fortunate.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ba...-home-to-lobby-against-illegal-wildlife-trade

Broke a world record

Queen was also involved according to some reports. Bloodsports against animals is a normal day out for Royals.

The shot game birds all get eaten. What’s the problem? You eat meat, and someone had to kill it for you.

 

[Robert]

Before the politically correct "don't insult the Royals" brigade condemn the Celtic fans, and while I agree the timing is insensitive, some context is needed here. Celtic are largely supported by Roman Catholics in Glasgow.

Roman Catholics, thanks to our archaic system, are disqualified from becoming the Head of State. Until 2013, marrying a Catholic also disqualified a royal from the line of succession.

The reason being the monarch is also Head of the Protestant (or Anglican) Church of England thanks to Henry VIII since Rome wouldn't let him break up with his woman (amongst other reasons). Now that's an argument for separation of Religion and State but that's for another day.

There were Catholic monarchs after Henry VIII such as Mary I and James II, but the latter was deposed and proddy William III installed in the Glorious Revolution.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Bloodsports have always been part of toffo tradition, fox hunting was a rite of passage for the uppermost classes back before game hunting started being seen as cruel. For blue bloods like the Royals, centuries of tradition probably are harder to drop as that is what separates them from the common masses.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The shot game birds all get eaten. What’s the problem? You eat meat, and someone had to kill it for you.

Not by them, unless you really believe the Royals ate 18,000 birds themselves. lol. They kill for bloodsport. How can you deny this?

Did Harry eat this too?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bloodsports have always been part of toffo tradition, fox hunting was a rite of passage for the uppermost classes back before game hunting started being seen as cruel. For blue bloods like the Royals, centuries of tradition probably are harder to drop as that is what separates them from the common masses.

Yes its difficult for them to explain this but the addiction is too strong to put a stop to it.

I read the Queen ordered no photos to be taken, so this backward sport remains low key.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes its difficult for them to explain this but the addiction is too strong to put a stop to it.

I read the Queen ordered no photos to be taken, so this backward sport remains low key.

I don't see it as an addiction, more of a tradition, one which serves as a marker to separate the highest class of Brits from the rest. Johnny Boggins from Grimsby would probably end up being jailed for shooting 18,000 birds, but the whole point of being a royal is that you are better and most high, so different rules apply.

 

[Robert]

Not by them, unless you really believe the Royals ate 18,000 birds themselves. lol. They kill for bloodsport. How can you deny this?

Did Harry eat this too?

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Your local halal slaughterhouse staff don’t eat all the animals they slaughter. They sell the animals for food.

https://www.thefield.co.uk/shooting...-where-do-your-birds-go-after-the-shoot-42924

I’m sure Prince Harry’s buffalo would have been field-dressed and sent to feed the local community.

When I shot a feral swine in Texas, we ensured that the carcass was consumed. People don’t go on kill-crazy rampages just for killing. There are “bag limits” to conserve species. The local economy benefits.

Maybe you can talk to gamekeepers and find out more about their work?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Your local halal slaughterhouse staff don’t eat all the animals they slaughter. They sell the animals for food.

https://www.thefield.co.uk/shooting...-where-do-your-birds-go-after-the-shoot-42924

I’m sure Prince Harry’s buffalo would have been field-dressed and sent to feed the local community.

When I shot a feral swine in Texas, we ensured that the carcass was consumed. People don’t go on kill-crazy rampages just for killing. There are “bag limits” to conserve species. The local economy benefits.

Maybe you can talk to gamekeepers and find out more about their work?

You're missing the point Robert. Killing an animal for food is fine, its normal , man has done this since stone age.

Royals are rich, they dont need to kill for food. They kill for pleasure and im not sure all those birds were eaten, do you have any proof? Who ate them etc?

Halal butchers kill for food, not for pleasure. In fact in Islam its a big sin to kill any living being for any reason barring for food , any hint of enjoyment means the food is no longer halal(permissible). You cannot deny Royals hunt for fun.

 

[James]

Good discussion, let’s keep it going and on topic.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Good discussion, let’s keep it going and on topic.

What is your view on bloodsports, hunting for enjoyment? Its another reason for me to end monarchy.

Also another issue is the Queen or King are covered by "sovereign immunity" meaning they are immune from civil or criminal proceedings. This is madness , in any civilised society nobody should be above the law. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] thoughts on this too?

 

[James]

Also another issue is the Queen or King are covered by "sovereign immunity" meaning they are immune from civil or criminal proceedings. This is madness , in any civilised society nobody should be above the law. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] thoughts on this too?

This is just standard, heads of state and governments all have forms of immunity around the world. Not particular to the British royal family.

Will do a bloodsport reply later.

 

[RexRex]

I think you are right. The Queen hasn't died, it's all a front just so Charles can ascend to King while his mother was beamed up to the alien mothership on the 8th September. This is perhaps why the Queen's coffin, lying in state, is just a 4D hologram created by alien technology, so there is no chance of an accidental drop because the coffin is actually hovering in mid air.

I doubt this is true, Technics.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is just standard, heads of state and governments all have forms of immunity around the world. Not particular to the British royal family.

Will do a bloodsport reply later.

Usually abroad but not in their own lands. If Charlie was to murder Camilla, he wouldnt even be arrested. How can this be civilised in 2022 is beyond me.

 

[RexRex]

Islam its a big sin to kill any living being for any reason barring for food , any hint of enjoyment means the food is no longer halal(permissible).

If this is true, then you are a hypocrite too like the Royals. As far as I know, muslims use leather and silk products both of which are derived from animals. In fact, silkworms are boiled alive to get the material you use in your clothes.

 

[Robert]

You're missing the point Robert. Killing an animal for food is fine, its normal , man has done this since stone age.

Royals are rich, they dont need to kill for food. They kill for pleasure and im not sure all those birds were eaten, do you have any proof? Who ate them etc?

Halal butchers kill for food, not for pleasure. In fact in Islam its a big sin to kill any living being for any reason barring for food , any hint of enjoyment means the food is no longer halal(permissible). You cannot deny Royals hunt for fun.

I don’t think it matters that they hunt for fun as long as their kills go to feed people, as the link I provided suggests. There is a home and export market.

The link also says that some birds are so full of shot that they can’t be consumed. I guess these are incinerated.

But without the hunt, the rural economy would suffer.

 

[James]

Usually abroad but not in their own lands. If Charlie was to murder Camilla, he wouldnt even be arrested. How can this be civilised in 2022 is beyond me.

I guess it relies on the extreme lack of probability that such a thing would ever happen.

 

[James]

What is your view on bloodsports, hunting for enjoyment? Its another reason

I thought fox hunting was illegal in UK.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don’t think it matters that they hunt for fun as long as their kills go to feed people, as the link I provided suggests. There is a home and export market.

The link also says that some birds are so full of shot that they can’t be consumed. I guess these are incinerated.

But without the hunt, the rural economy would suffer.

Robert please, I doubt you would hunt animals for fun so why justify this?

It does matter as they are getting a kick out of it. You said the 18,000 birds ,a world record kill for numbers were fed. Please show me how ate them? You have just confirmed all are not eaten. You really believe they kill to help others? lol.

I thought fox hunting was illegal in UK.

Willy boy said "The royal said "there’s a place for commercial hunting".

Fox hunting is banned apart from in NI but this was a tough ask so many elites inc Royals loved chasing after a scared fox for a kick and a good ol knees up after. Its not foxes they kill now but anything else because they enjoy seeing an innocent animal fall down bleeding to death. As I wrote earlier the Queen told them not to take photos to keep it low key. How these people can be seen as great humans is beyond me.

 

[James]

Robert please, I doubt you would hunt animals for fun so why justify this?

It does matter as they are getting a kick out of it. You said the 18,000 birds ,a world record kill for numbers were fed. Please show me how ate them? You have just confirmed all are not eaten. You really believe they kill to help others? lol.



Willy boy said "The royal said "there’s a place for commercial hunting".

Fox hunting is banned apart from in NI but this was a tough ask so many elites inc Royals loved chasing after a scared fox for a kick and a good ol knees up after. Its not foxes they kill now but anything else because they enjoy seeing an innocent animal fall down bleeding to death. As I wrote earlier the Queen told them not to take photos to keep it low key. How these people can be seen as great humans is beyond me.

I am opposed to fox hunting.

I have no objection to hunting for food.

Shooting grouse and game in certain seasons (if not intended to eat) is slightly more complex, there are arguments on both sides as many of the animals which can be legally killed have pest-like traits and can have negative effects on the wider ecosystem.

 

[Robert]

Robert please, I doubt you would hunt animals for fun so why justify this?

It does matter as they are getting a kick out of it. You said the 18,000 birds ,a world record kill for numbers were fed. Please show me how ate them? You have just confirmed all are not eaten. You really believe they kill to help others? lol.

I believe their activities are part of the rural economy, creating jobs and selling produce. There’s a market at home and overseas for game birds.

It’s not something I have a strong opinion on one way or another.

I would quite like to take up clay shooting, but Mrs Robert won’t have a shotgun about the house.

 

[The_KING]

It is very heartening to see thousands of people queue up over the last few days to pay their respects to the Queen. Looks like plenty of people in the country still very much care about the monarchy. Looks like the same type of people who are crying about abolishing the monarch will be doing the same in 100 years time, but to no avail.

 

[Technics 1210]

Celtic fans need a bit of a history lesson, The late Queen was of Scottish ancestry.

Trust football to expose these uneducated plebs, in contrast to Cricket, where spectators from both England and South Africa not only observed the minutes silence, but the English fans sang the new national anthem with pride. (3rd Test Eng vs SA at Oval).

 

[Technics 1210]

It is very heartening to see thousands of people queue up over the last few days to pay their respects to the Queen. Looks like plenty of people in the country still very much care about the monarchy. Looks like the same type of people who are crying about abolishing the monarch will be doing the same in 100 years time, but to no avail.

These said people need something to moan about. UK citizens have been trying to end the Monarchy for centuries, only to end up in spectacular failure.

The British Monarchy is here to stay, and will exist long after we are gone!

 

[Technics 1210]

This is just standard, heads of state and governments all have forms of immunity around the world. Not particular to the British royal family.

Will do a bloodsport reply later.

Yup, diplomatic immunity for foreign dignitaries, foreign government employees, and ambassadors is very common in the UK, and anyone with diplomatic immunity is immune from local, civil, criminal, and administrative laws.

I remember reading American and Pakistani diplomats had the most number of unpaid parking tickets! They do not have to pay a penny by law!

Then there’s the death of Harry Dunn, caused by dangerous driving, only for the culprit, Anne Sacoolas, the wife of a CIA employee working in the UK, caught on CCTV, fled to USA where the US government have stated she had diplomatic immunity.

Better to deal with facts instead of phantom scenarios where the King might kill the Queen consort in a parallel universe.

 

[Manunited18]

Celtic is my 2nd favourite team. Both LFC and Celtic rightly are against the monarchy.

Celtic also stand up for Palestinians. Incredible club and people.

Rangers are very loyal subjects, bunch of clowns.,

Not a celtic fan but with the platform they havei admire their unwavering support for the Palestinian people .

 

[Robert]

Usually abroad but not in their own lands. If Charlie was to murder Camilla, he wouldnt even be arrested. How can this be civilised in 2022 is beyond me.

In which case the government would do something about it. We’ve already executed one King and forced two others off the throne.

 

[Robert]

Celtic is my 2nd favourite team. Both LFC and Celtic rightly are against the monarchy.

Celtic also stand up for Palestinians. Incredible club and people.

Rangers are very loyal subjects, bunch of clowns.,

Celtic fans are politically if not religiously Catholic and so will feel marginalised in the UK. They will be inclined to support other marginalised minorities. I’m drawing generalisations here, mind.

If you go to the Catholic areas of Belfast you will see murals for the Palestinians, Che Guevara and other revolutionary figures with whom the locals feel affinity.

My old Mum was raised Catholic but converted to Protestantism when she met my Dad. Being politically Protestant in identity, I prefer to see Rangers win. Not that I have any understanding of Glasgow, having spent just two days of my life there.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In which case the government would do something about it. We’ve already executed one King and forced two others off the throne.

Or more likely to brush it under the carpet. Its a daft law esp for unelected people who are made head o state.

Celtic fans are politically if not religiously Catholic and so will feel marginalised in the UK. They will be inclined to support other marginalised minorities. I’m drawing generalisations here, mind.

If you go to the Catholic areas of Belfast you will see murals for the Palestinians, Che Guevara and other revolutionary figures with whom the locals feel affinity.

My old Mum was raised Catholic but converted to Protestantism when she met my Dad. Being politically Protestant in identity, I prefer to see Rangers win. Not that I have any understanding of Glasgow, having spent just two days of my life there.

Im aware but intrestesting your mom converted. Was it due to the times where it was frowned upon Catholics and Protestants being married?

I think many Catholics hate the Royals. Celtic are against any form of tyranny not just against Royal tyranny. They will never stop shouting such slogans.

British Royals have done so much abuse around the world, you will find people in every corner who hate them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Genius! )

Someone has used North Korean BBC commentary on the Royals. It fits just perfect. MUST WATCH.