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Is Mohammad Amir getting a rough deal from the selectors?

Is Mohammad Amir getting a rough deal from the selectors?

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QalandarFan said:
He was always up around 140+ in LOIs, even when he returned. It was just in Tests that he couldn't maintain that pace like he could in 2009-10 throughout a Test.
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Mid 130s most of the time. Even now his pace has dropped.
 
Saj said:
Mid 130s most of the time. Even now his pace has dropped.
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I've always watched Amir very closely and when he returned he was averaging around 140 kph, it's dropped a bit now but when he came back 2016-18 he was always around 140 in LOIs
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Pace is overrated in limited-overs cricket. Being skillful matters more. Since the World Cup, Amir has adapted his bowling to limited-overs cricket really well. He can change his pace up, vary it, bowl yorkers and can swing it too on helpful wickets.
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Agree with you that pace is overrated, unless it's matched by skill and nous, it won't amount to much. But at the same time it is also one of the biggest assets for the bowler who does have some skill. Amir had that pace but I don't know where it has gone. I don't believe he just lost it, he can still produce the odd really quick delivery. But just as over reliance on pace can be a bad thing, so can underusing it. If you are going to mix it up, why not throw in a few more really fast ones as well?
 
You can’t take bunch of prospects to a tournament like a WC. Amir showed today what he is capable of and besides Shaheen, there is no one in the current setup that comes close his skill set.
 
Everybody knows Amir is a class bowler. The meltdown that Rauf and Wahab had yesterday confirms this.

Despite his reduced pace and swing, he merits a place in the team because of his control and skill.
 
You guys are so myopic and you dont see the bigger picture.
He is breaking his body apart to get to 135. Yes that method may work for an over or two but it wont sustain him for an international season; even in limited overs.
He is on a rapid downward spiral.
Believe me, with this action and body he wont even be able to bowl these glorified 130 kph spells in t20's.

He can either work on his body and technique or kiss his career good bye.
 
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Ertugrul_Bey said:
You can’t take bunch of prospects to a tournament like a WC. Amir showed today what he is capable of and besides Shaheen, there is no one in the current setup that comes close his skill set.
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Pak is playing Nz not going to play WC.....enough time for Amir to perform and comeback.......
 
Those who are trying to put down wahab and Rauf fail to realize that they were bowling with an extremely wet ball which offers no grip, let alone any reverse.
Do you really think Amir would have fared any better if there was no tail-in with a dry ball that he got in this match?
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
Those who are trying to put down wahab and Rauf fail to realize that they were bowling with an extremely wet ball which offers no grip, let alone any reverse.
Do you really think Amir would have fared any better if there was no tail-in with a dry ball that he got in this match?
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Comparing Rauf and Wahab to Amir with any ball, conditions is unfair to Amir. Amir is a far superior bowler than they can be.
No disrespect to them, as they both are bowling fine these days.
 
Amir might be down on pace and motivation but at least there is a proper bowler in him who is respected by legendary batsmen like Kohli and Smith.

You ask any top batsman of this era and they will still name Amir as Pakistan’s biggest bowling threat.

Rauf is just a street cricket bowler and Wahab is one a trick pony who is harmless when there is no reverse-swing. The only half relevance that he has is because of the useless spell that he bowled to Watson 5 years ago.

The way Indian batsmen have treated him after Mohali sums up his worth as a bowler. Compare that to the impact Amir has created against Indian batsmen on multiple occasions.
 
Mobashir said:
Comparing Rauf and Wahab to Amir with any ball, conditions is unfair to Amir. Amir is a far superior bowler than they can be.
No disrespect to them, as they both are bowling fine these days.
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This is not a debate of comparing Amir's pedigree as a fast bowler with the other two. We both know Amir is beyond superior.

However, I am being as objective as i can be. The present version of Amir would have been taken apart in wet conditions just like he was in the national t20.

At the moment, he is behind most of the young bowlers and there is only so much he can do with his high bowling IQ.

He needs time off to get remedial work done. It is better for him as well as for Pakistan cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
Amir might be down on pace and motivation but at least there is a proper bowler in him who is respected by legendary batsmen like Kohli and Smith.

You ask any top batsman of this era and they will still name Amir as Pakistan’s biggest bowling threat.

Rauf is just a street cricket bowler and Wahab is one a trick pony who is harmless when there is no reverse-swing. The only half relevance that he has is because of the useless spell that he bowled to Watson 5 years ago.

The way Indian batsmen have treated him after Mohali sums up his worth as a bowler. Compare that to the impact Amir has created against Indian batsmen on multiple occasions.
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What braindead logic is this?
Let's field Wasim and Waqar in our teams. I am sure kohli n co. will respect them even more than Amir and not even attempt to score runs against them out of awe.
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
Those who are trying to put down wahab and Rauf fail to realize that they were bowling with an extremely wet ball which offers no grip, let alone any reverse.
Do you really think Amir would have fared any better if there was no tail-in with a dry ball that he got in this match?
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Steve Smith counts amir as his strongest opponent
It's just a shame his pace and determination has deteriorated since that final

Amir will go down as a pakistani legend due to his input into world cup finals and skittling out the likes of Australia and England for low scores
 
chacha kashmiri said:
Steve Smith counts amir as his strongest opponent
It's just a shame his pace and determination has deteriorated since that final

Amir will go down as a pakistani legend due to his input into world cup finals and skittling out the likes of Australia and England for low scores
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Really legend?
 
Well he's off to Sri Lanka and will get a minimum of $25,000 for a few overs.

Not bad work if you can get it.
 
As an Indian fan, I have to say the Pakistani player I have feared the most over the last decade is Mohammad Amir. In fact, I would even say that he was the only Pakistani player I feared in the 21st century. Sure, other Pakistani players also did well, Nasir Jamshed averaged 120 when Pakistan toured India and won the ODI series in 2012/13, but you just knew that it was a flash in the pan. Amir on the other hand would consistently hammer India's batting cream.

Fantastic talent Amir, greatest Pakistani player of the last couple of decades, sorry that his career wasn't all it could have been. I hope he finds success and peace the rest of his life.
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
What braindead logic is this?
Let's field Wasim and Waqar in our teams. I am sure kohli n co. will respect them even more than Amir and not even attempt to score runs against them out of awe.
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Waqar and Wasim couldn't even win one WC against India. Amir at least won Pakistan the Champions Trophy getting India's top 3 batsmen Sharma, Dhawan and Kohli out, leaving India 33/3 and on the path to defeat. Nothing Waqar or Wasim did against India compares.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-pakistan-final-icc-champions-trophy-2017

In the 2019 WC, the first task for the Indian batsmen when they played Pakistan was not to lose wickets to Amir, didn't matter how few runs they scored.
 
Saj said:
Well he's off to Sri Lanka and will get a minimum of $25,000 for a few overs.

Not bad work if you can get it.
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If hes happy earning a few quid extra rather than earning name and respect winning games for his country than good luck to him
 
Saj said:
Well he's off to Sri Lanka and will get a minimum of $25,000 for a few overs.

Not bad work if you can get it.
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That is his mindset. If he had any ghairat, he would have declined this offer and gone off to sort out his issues and tried to meet specialist bowling coaches and trainers to get himself back in shape.

Instead, he is ready to go earn some cheap corn which only reinforces his reputation.

It is clear that he doesn't care about honour and prestige. It doesn't matter what he says to you or in other interviews.
This what we call khaandaniyat, and he doesnt have it.
 
Not to imply whether or not he should be selected, but I wonder what will be said on this thread if Amir bags a MoM performance in the PSL final?
 
If anyone has any remaining sympathy for Amir:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">thanku my favourite 💓</p>— Mohammad Amir (@iamamirofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamamirofficial/status/1328644296493330433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Needs to put in a performance today. A MotM effort in a PSL final, after a brilliant performance vs Multan a few days ago, will certainly get him back in the conversations.
 
Firebat said:
Needs to put in a performance today. A MotM effort in a PSL final, after a brilliant performance vs Multan a few days ago, will certainly get him back in the conversations.
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Not done that well so far 0/18 in 2 overs
 
Deserved to be dropped. Was the worst bowler today against a weak batting lineup and on that pitch. International lineups will murder him on better pitches .
 
This thread will be like this; if he has a good outing it was unfair to axe him, if he flops in one match he deserved to be dropped.
 
Zaz said:
If hes happy earning a few quid extra rather than earning name and respect winning games for his country than good luck to him
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That's the key point.

Is he happy chasing the rupee or is he genuine about his passion to still play for his country.

Only he knows which it is.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Deserved to be dropped. Was the worst bowler today against a weak batting lineup and on that pitch. International lineups will murder him on better pitches .
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This has been the issue, very few high-level performances. Mostly pretty average performances with the occasional good showing.

I think most people expected more from Amir after his return to cricket.
 
Saj said:
This has been the issue, very few high-level performances. Mostly pretty average performances with the occasional good showing.

I think most people expected more from Amir after his return to cricket.
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Saj bhai, i have brought this to your notice plenty of times, but you never take note of it.
He has technical and fitness issues which can be fixed.
But the question is, is he willing to put in the remedial work and is is he willing to meet specialists from abroad and work with them independently.

He is buddies with Shan Masood who worked with Gary Palmer on his own accord.
Perhaps Amir can learn a thing or two from his buddy and try to seek help from out of Pakistan.

This is the only way he can rediscover himself.
 
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While I feel he deserves a spot in the squad, it's not going to happen if Amir starts going against his main plus point (economical bowling).

The semi was a good example of that with 0/27 and a clutch super over. A bowler like that adds value allowing the others to remain aggressive while hunting for wickets.

I think they need to reshape his game like Umar Gul. Get Amir to come in the backend of an innings between overs 12-20 rather than giving him the new ball. In general, he looks far more in control when he bowls with an older ball.
 
Amir isn't good (or consistent) enough to be a regular starter in the National Team - especially with the new fast bowling talent coming up, but I don't think he's going anywhere.

He'll be in and out of the National Team for the next 6-8 years, similar to Wahab.

He is probably being treated a little harshly. I think he's more deserving spot that Wahab for the NZ tour
 
coy0607 said:
Amir isn't good (or consistent) enough to be a regular starter in the National Team - especially with the new fast bowling talent coming up, but I don't think he's going anywhere.

He'll be in and out of the National Team for the next 6-8 years, similar to Wahab.

He is probably being treated a little harshly. I think he's more deserving spot that Wahab for the NZ tour
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Wahab is willing to play in practise matches and the main squad if required amir isnt.wahab has some performance in t20s
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
Saj bhai, i have brought this to your notice plenty of times, but you never take note of it.
He has technical and fitness issues which can be fixed.
But the question is, is he willing to put in the remedial work and is is he willing to meet specialists from abroad and work with them independently.

He is buddies with Shan Masood who worked with Gary Palmer on his own accord.
Perhaps Amir can learn a thing or two from his buddy and try to seek help from out of Pakistan.

This is the only way he can rediscover himself.
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I don't think the issue has been his fitness levels as he has always been a decent athlete.

I think it's more about what he feels his priorities are and where he sees his career going. I feel his heart isn't in Test cricket and he feels he can sustain his career over a longer period by just playing white ball cricket.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Amir's first over today in the LPL:<br><br>.<br>1w<br>6<br>4<br>6<br>1w<br>4<br>4<br><br>8 balls<br>26 runs<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LPL20?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LPL20</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1332740228088475649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 28, 2020</a></blockquote>
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His problem has been, he always wanted to go towards shortcuts rather than actually working towards success and his game in a respectful and hardworking manner. There were never doubts about his skillset but about his attitude. He should have worked extra hard on his fitness post ban rather he only focused towards trying to reduce his workload one way or another and in the end the bar kept on declining and declining.

Problem is that he doesnt seem to be even realizing that otherwise he still has time to mend his issues and atleast become effective in white ball cricket again.
 
5 over slog in the LPL

Amir has gone for 46 runs from 2 overs.

I spotted only 1 yorker.
 
Lol...where are all the backers of this lazy bum?
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], where ya at, mate?

He has got no future in the game unless he goes back to the drawing board and sorts his issues.
When pacy speaks, you listen.
 
Saj said:
5 over slog in the LPL

Amir has gone for 46 runs from 2 overs.

I spotted only 1 yorker.
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He is not fit for top flight cricket and his bowling action has regressed alarmingly.
I have told you this in the past.
It is only downhill from hill.

Please tell him this. The paindoo inside him doesn't want to self reflect and go back to the drawing board to work on his issues. He still believes that he is a victim because of not being selected.
 
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Whilst I'm no advocate for Amir these days, this LPL "match" needs to be taken in context. I mean at only 5 overs each, should they even have allowed this to take place?

It was basically a free hit hence the huge numbers. Amir was also bowling to Andre Russell who has like one of the highest SR in world cricket including the IPL. He hit something 13 boundaries of 19 balls which is off the scale hitting.

One guy went for 26 runs in his over while the other two went for 11 and 13 (Shahid Afridi).
 
Yes it was a 5 over match.

Yes the boundaries were small.

Yes Andre Russell was batting.

But where was the pace?
Where were the yorkers?

He bowled only 1 bouncer. Only 1 yorker. There was hardly any variety from him.

Go round the wicket. Bowl slower ones or cutters.
 
Didn't see him bowl but based on the above comments, yikes this looks bad. However, I still believe in Amir to come up good and make a grand comeback :amir3!!
 
It's just one outing. And he ran into a rampant Russell in the rain (unexpected alliteration, that).

Moe generally, it does seem that he has not repaid Pakistan's support and investment in him, despite being guilty of something that destroyed the career of a possibly even more talented bowler, Asif.

As an Indian, I've always rated him, more so because of how he performed against us.
 
Lol, cannot believe people are wasting their time on a guy who bowls like a left handed version of Khalid Mehmood. The PCB rightfully stopped wasting their time and energies on this fraud.
 
No he is only fit for t20 pyjama leagues. Such entitled brats need to stay far way from the team.
 
Pacy with wisdom said:
Lol...where are all the backers of this lazy bum?
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], where ya at, mate?

He has got no future in the game unless he goes back to the drawing board and sorts his issues.
When pacy speaks, you listen.
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Firstly, Russell is a freak. He is one of the most gifted ball strikers I have ever seen. When he is in his zone, he can make destroy any bowler.

Secondly, I don’t care if you drop Amir but then at least pick someone better to watch. You can’t serve me street cricketers like Rauf and the likes of Musa and then expect me to agree that Amir deserved to be dropped.
 
Mamoon said:
Firstly, Russell is a freak. He is one of the most gifted ball strikers I have ever seen. When he is in his zone, he can make destroy any bowler.

Secondly, I don’t care if you drop Amir but then at least pick someone better to watch. You can’t serve me street cricketers like Rauf and the likes of Musa and then expect me to agree that Amir deserved to be dropped.
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Musa outbowled Amir in the national T20 Cup :))

i'm not advocating for Musa, but even he can do better than Amir.
 
Mamoon said:
Firstly, Russell is a freak. He is one of the most gifted ball strikers I have ever seen. When he is in his zone, he can make destroy any bowler.

Secondly, I don’t care if you drop Amir but then at least pick someone better to watch. You can’t serve me street cricketers like Rauf and the likes of Musa and then expect me to agree that Amir deserved to be dropped.
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Street cricketer Rauf is a better bowler than the pind bowler Saini
 
aloo paratha said:
Musa outbowled Amir in the national T20 Cup :))

i'm not advocating for Musa, but even he can do better than Amir.
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Musa is a nobody. It doesn’t matter if he outbowled Amir in the national T20 Cup. Anyone can outbowl anyone in a particular match/tournament.

Amir is one of the very few contemporary Pakistan cricketers who have genuine peer appreciation. The two greatest batsmen of this era have both considered him one of the most difficult bowlers they have ever faced.

Pakistan is one of the worst teams in the world with one of the worst bowling attacks in the world and you cannot convince that Amir is not good enough for a such a low bar.
 
Mamoon said:
Firstly, Russell is a freak. He is one of the most gifted ball strikers I have ever seen. When he is in his zone, he can make destroy any bowler.

Secondly, I don’t care if you drop Amir but then at least pick someone better to watch. You can’t serve me street cricketers like Rauf and the likes of Musa and then expect me to agree that Amir deserved to be dropped.
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Russell maybe a freak, but this bum got smashed by another no name batsman in his second over, so it wasnt just Dre Russ tearing him apart.

I was his biggest backer 4,5 years ago but now it doesn't take much to see that the pace, zip and movement are no longer there because the action has deteriorated and the body is just not conditioned to perform at that level.

I am not a Musa backer, but Rauf atleast has raw ability and we can hope that he develops. Plus, there are plenty of other new hopefuls who have talent, be it Akif or Shahnawaz who may come into the fold in a year or so.

Dropping this washed up twig serves as a good example to others who may have thought on following a similar path.
It also gives him time to self reflect and work on his issues.
Therefore, it is a good decision.
 
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Another day at the office for Mohammad Amir 0-37 in 4 overs. Bowed some good yorkers but, with so much experience there is no excuse to not know how to set his field.

His anger and anguish was pretty visible. Maybe needs to take some time off and give his mind and body some rest (Was the intended purpose of test retirement).

Month or two away from cricket working on his fitness cant do any harm.
 
Showing signs of life in LP

3/16 in 3 vs Colombo Kings
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brilliant figures today of 5-26 from 4 overs for Mohammad Amir in the Lanka Premier League <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LPLT20?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LPLT20</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZPRBwRqEC7">pic.twitter.com/ZPRBwRqEC7</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1335921806994247685?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2020</a></blockquote>
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No big deal. Just some below average players getting caught out on the boundary.
Still no penetration to get the good players out.
 
Was bowling decently, better than before, but the 5-fer is nothing special. Colombo was already 5 wickets down when he came in to bowl the 18th over with just 1 wicket in his first two overs.

His remaining four wickets were wickets 6-9 in overs 18 and 20.
 
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No big deal. Just some below average players getting caught out on the boundary.
Still no penetration to get the good players out.
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Mohammad Amir needs to take a break from cricket, like seriously. He's been left out of a big tour, and he needs to use this time to condition his body and determine where to focus his interest. Retiring from test cricket was not the issue for me, it was the fact that he plays in almost every T20 League in the world. I might not know how his body feels and what he thinks, but I sure as hell know that the country needed him a lot in test matches and in white ball cricket in recent times. He was not there. He is now just playing for some random team in some random league. If he retired from tests, why didn't he also take an indefinite break to recover and condition his body. I've read interviews about him talking about workload and strain in the body, and it is clear that he has lost at least 15kph of pace. So why not just take a break and work on fitness?
 
UzmanBeast said:
Mohammad Amir needs to take a break from cricket, like seriously. He's been left out of a big tour, and he needs to use this time to condition his body and determine where to focus his interest. Retiring from test cricket was not the issue for me, it was the fact that he plays in almost every T20 League in the world. I might not know how his body feels and what he thinks, but I sure as hell know that the country needed him a lot in test matches and in white ball cricket in recent times. He was not there. He is now just playing for some random team in some random league. If he retired from tests, why didn't he also take an indefinite break to recover and condition his body. I've read interviews about him talking about workload and strain in the body, and it is clear that he has lost at least 15kph of pace. So why not just take a break and work on fitness?
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If he takes a break then he will never be able to get back again. He has no choice but continue playing, as long as teams pick him.
 
MenInG said:
If he takes a break then he will never be able to get back again. He has no choice but continue playing, as long as teams pick him.
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Depends on how the comeback is. If you can come back with stellar performances, you will dismember your critics and no team in their right mind would look beyond you. Maybe you're right, but I still think that these leagues give no benefit. Bowling 4 overs won't bring back your speed or your selection in my opinion.
 
MenInG said:
If he takes a break then he will never be able to get back again. He has no choice but continue playing, as long as teams pick him.
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Players, especially bowlers need breaks after injury or if they need technical adjustments.

Let me provide a very good example.

After having an ignominious failure in the ashes, Mitchell Johnson at first tried to continue on, but after a foot injury on the tour to South Africa, he realised that he needed time off.

He then very famously took a year off and worked on his strength and conditioning. Just look at how much workable and functional muscle he added once he returned.
During this time off he also worked with DK Lillee on his action and run up.
He rebuilt his action altogether and in the process made his bowling arm a lot higher, which not only made him a lot more consistent, but it also improved his wrist position, which allowed him to bring the ball back into the right handers.

On Lillee' advice, he also used to go on jogs with the ball in his hand; usually at night time, so as to avoid any attention.
This is why if you look at his runup from 2013 onwards, he was holding the ball a lot closer to his chest which wasn't the case before.

So it wasn't just the mustache that did it for him.
If he at 30 plus(as he was at the time), could take a targeted time off and return as a demonic bowler, what is stopping Amir?

I am speaking with knowledge here. If he really wants to be a force again, playing these cheap leagues wont help him.

As [MENTION=153791]UzmanBeast[/MENTION] has alluded, the whole Bru-ha-ha about workload only makes sense if he took the time off and worked on his conditioning and his now degenerated bowling action.
Instead all he is doing is playing more league cricket.

It has been 2 years since he last played a test. Why has his body strength still not recovered? Let me tell you why, because he has done nothing to get it back.
Like others, he has resorted to the easier method of blaming others, instead of changing his own approach.

I hope you guys can communicate this to him, because at the moment he is his own worst enemy.
 
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Pacy with wisdom said:
Players, especially bowlers need breaks after injury or if they need technical adjustments.

Let me provide a very good example.

After having an ignominious failure in the ashes, Mitchell Johnson at first tried to continue on, but after a foot injury on the tour to South Africa, he realised that he needed time off.

He then very famously took a year off and worked on his strength and conditioning. Just look at how much workable and functional muscle he added once he returned.
During this time off he also worked with DK Lillee on his action and run up.
He rebuilt his action altogether and in the process made his bowling arm a lot higher, which not only made him a lot more consistent, but it also improved his wrist position, which allowed him to bring the ball back into the right handers.

On Lillee' advice, he also used to go on jogs with the ball in his hand; usually at night time, so as to avoid any attention.
This is why if you look at his runup from 2013 onwards, he was holding the ball a lot closer to his chest which wasn't the case before.

So it wasn't just the mustache that did it for him.
If he at 30 plus(as he was at the time), could take a targeted time off and return as a demonic bowler, what is stopping Amir?

I am speaking with knowledge here. If he really wants to be a force again, playing these cheap leagues wont help him.

As [MENTION=153791]UzmanBeast[/MENTION] has alluded, the whole Bru-ha-ha about workload only makes sense if he took the time off and worked on his conditioning and his now degenerated bowling action.
Instead all he is doing is playing more league cricket.

It has been 2 years since he last played a test. Why has his body strength still not recovered? Let me tell you why, because he has done nothing to get it back.
Like others, he has resorted to the easier method of blaming others, instead of changing his own approach.

I hope you guys can communicate this to him, because at the moment he is his own worst enemy.
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Though I agree with you for what you said, I would also like to point out that Amir hasn't been playing for a very long time, meaning that he probably doesn't have that much money compared to our other players, which is why he might be playing leagues to earn for his family. If that is the case, then nothing we say will change that outcome, and I respect him for doing that. However, it would be in Pakistan's best interest to get him fit for ODI cricket as soon as possible, and help him find his mojo. Both Mohammad Amir and Hasan Ali are in the same situation almost, and I wish both of them the best.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Though I agree with you for what you said, I would also like to point out that Amir hasn't been playing for a very long time, meaning that he probably doesn't have that much money compared to our other players, which is why he might be playing leagues to earn for his family. If that is the case, then nothing we say will change that outcome, and I respect him for doing that. However, it would be in Pakistan's best interest to get him fit for ODI cricket as soon as possible, and help him find his mojo. Both Mohammad Amir and Hasan Ali are in the same situation almost, and I wish both of them the best.
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It’s in Amir’s own financial interest to recover or even exceed his previous mojo. He’ll earn insane amounts more than the peanuts he’s getting in the Lanka Premier League, if he prolongs his career with the national team for another 5 years while doing PSL + BBL or CPL on the side.

If he becomes a T20 mercenary, his franchise career will be over in 2 years without international performances to keep him in the spotlight.
 
This is obviously not a cricketing decision and based on personal grudges.

If you tell me that Amir can not make a 35 man squad then you have to be joking me.

Name me 35 cricketers in Pakistan currently better than Mohammad Amir.

Even if he is not going to play, you include him in the squad at least.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
It’s in Amir’s own financial interest to recover or even exceed his previous mojo. He’ll earn insane amounts more than the peanuts he’s getting in the Lanka Premier League, if he prolongs his career with the national team for another 5 years while doing PSL + BBL or CPL on the side.

If he becomes a T20 mercenary, his franchise career will be over in 2 years without international performances to keep him in the spotlight.
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He is already earning lesser than a long retired irfan Pathan.
Imsgine how much further his stock would fall if he becomes a glorified Sohail Tanvir.
 
hashimafzal said:
This is obviously not a cricketing decision and based on personal grudges.

If you tell me that Amir can not make a 35 man squad then you have to be joking me.

Name me 35 cricketers in Pakistan currently better than Mohammad Amir.

Even if he is not going to play, you include him in the squad at least.
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Have you gone through this thread and read the discourse?
 
hashimafzal said:
This is obviously not a cricketing decision and based on personal grudges.

If you tell me that Amir can not make a 35 man squad then you have to be joking me.

Name me 35 cricketers in Pakistan currently better than Mohammad Amir.

Even if he is not going to play, you include him in the squad at least.
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You don’t need 35 cricketers who are better than Amir, you need 6 fast bowlers who are better than him on current form. I can name you 10.
 
hashimafzal said:
This is obviously not a cricketing decision and based on personal grudges.

If you tell me that Amir can not make a 35 man squad then you have to be joking me.

Name me 35 cricketers in Pakistan currently better than Mohammad Amir.

Even if he is not going to play, you include him in the squad at least.
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You are looking at stats from the 2019 World Cup most likely. On the basis of current form, do you think he merits a spot? Before you answer, think about what the team needs.
 
He obviously isn't being left out solely on cricketing reasons but he needs to be taught a lesson. You can't just turn up when you feel like it. He clearly is motivated some days and other days he will hold himself back. And when you are dropped, you take it like a man and don't act like a victim on social media. You put your head down and fight for your place. Also don't like about his complaining about workload. Pakistan don't play many tests and don't play as much cricket as the big 3 and he was complaining about being a nailed on starter for his country and playing cricket lol. Obviously management should know when to rotate but don't complain about playing regularly for your country.

Lesson here is just because you treat someone well, don't expect it back. PCB backed him a lot after he returned to cricket and he hasn't shown great gratitude back in recent months. If he keeps performing like this, Misbah will have no choice to bring him back. But I have no issues with PCB teaching him a lesson.
 
Mamoon said:
Musa is a nobody. It doesn’t matter if he outbowled Amir in the national T20 Cup. Anyone can outbowl anyone in a particular match/tournament.

Amir is one of the very few contemporary Pakistan cricketers who have genuine peer appreciation. The two greatest batsmen of this era have both considered him one of the most difficult bowlers they have ever faced.

Pakistan is one of the worst teams in the world with one of the worst bowling attacks in the world and you cannot convince that Amir is not good enough for a such a low bar.
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I agree . . but I don't understand why we gloat over the fact that he is "one of the very few contemporary Pakistan cricketers who have genuine peer appreciation" . . If anything, that is worse! This is like Asif saying in his interview a few months back that I wanted to be memorable which I am because all top batsmen of the time said that I was a nightmare to face! Shameless!!

As a huge fan of Amir and a massive proponent of his comeback and sticking with him while he finds his way back, he has let me and many many others down hugely! and he goes around looking for sympathy . . he has been looking for sympathy since his return . . it just took me a while to realize this . .

Like you say, when he's got the appreciation from the likes of Kohli and Smith, then how else do you justify his record since his comeback? How do you justify his lackluster performances in general outside a couple of flashes in the pan where he wants to show all of us "what could have been" . . When he has that level of talent and skill to be respected by the very best, there was only one other thing that was needed for him to succeed . . and unfortunately, its now clear he failed to do that one thing i.e. put his head down and work hard!

See, the problem is . . Amir has made excuses after excuses since his come back! even when he says something thats perhaps genuine (like issues with Pakistan's rotation policy), its just difficult to take him seriously . .

A few examples:

1. Amir has lost so much pace . . Why is Amir bowling military medium now? He wasn't when he left in 2010 . . and he wasn't when he came back in 2016 . . his pace has progressively dropped and now he is bowling 130 kph . .

Amir in 2016: I have been out of cricket for 5 years . . cut me some slack
Amir in 2017: i have been out of cricket for 5 years . . cut me some slack
Amir in 2018/19/20: repeat cycle . .

2. Amir has lost his ability to swing the ball which made him so dangerous . . the "flash in the pan" performances come back when he somehow rediscovers that shape . . the shape that Trent boult was envious of early in his career . . I am no expert but those who are including the likes of Akram clearly pointed out technical flaws . . There has been no improvement . . in fact, I dont even know where he has gone, what expert advice he has sought, where has he put in the effort to work on those technical issues . . if you know, please enlighten me . . and Amir's responses?

Amir in 2017: I was out of cricket for 5 years, cut me some slack . .
Amir in 2018/19/20: repeat cycle . .

3. Amir is clearly not fit enough . . that seems to hamper him giving his 100% . . perhaps thats why he isnt able to put effort . . maybe his "back" isn't going through in his delivery stride . . Amir himself alluding to fitness issues . . Amir is playing too much cricket . . Amir is playing T20, ODI and Tests (without being exceptional in any format to be honest) . .

Amir in 2016: I have been out of cricket for 5 years, cut me some slack . . body will take time . .
Amir in 2017: I have been out of cricket for 5 years . . my body isn't the same anymore
Amir in 2018/19/20: I have been out of cricket for 5 years . . repeat cycle

I won't continue because you get the gist . . the same happened with the will he/won't he retire from test cricket . . again due to fitness, and out of cricket for 5 years, I am playing so much, expectations are so high, etc.

The fact is . . there is no evidence of Amir going the extra mile to warrant special treatment for him! the fact is, that for all his talent . . it is clear that either his heart wasn't in cricket anymore or he just didn't want to work hard . . either way, it hurt the team . .

Amir unfortunately has come across as someone who has wanted to take the easy way out at every opportunity . . and I repeat . . as a massive fan of his bowling and talent, I am bitterly disappointed in him . . And I don't give a ____ if he wants to play test cricket or not . . obviously, I would have liked him to, but that's not even the point . . the fact is, the guy just never seem to really put in the hard yards and internalize the work ethic required to succeed as an elite player . .

The result is in front of us . .

Therefore, I have absolutely zero sympathy for Amir . .

My only problem is - my entire rant falls flat when I see folks like Musa getting selected ahead of Amir, because I could have huge issues with Amir . . but Musa will never be good enough to warrant a space in the squad ahead of Amir . . (actually, in my opinion Musa will never be good enough to be anywhere near the Pakistan squad, but that's another story)
 
Mohammad Amir is definitely getting a rough deal. Can’t believe more people cannot see it. At the very least, he is the fourth best limited overs seamer in Pakistan. He is still world class. I don’t care what you say about his pace. He has genius bowling IQ and quality control.
 
hashimafzal said:
This is obviously not a cricketing decision and based on personal grudges.

If you tell me that Amir can not make a 35 man squad then you have to be joking me.

Name me 35 cricketers in Pakistan currently better than Mohammad Amir.

Even if he is not going to play, you include him in the squad at least.
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Shaheens hands down and thiers alot more

Amir doesnt play test cricket or is it not willing to play how does he get in the squad if he you stated hes not going to play ?
 
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