Is Mohammad Amir untouchable?

[Ultimate]

To be fair, he has been mediocre in ODI cricket since his comeback. It is not that he made his comeback few months ago, but it has been 1.5 years or so. The thing which angers me is that despite his mediocre performances, he still gets the hype he doesn't deserve. Despite his mediocre performances, some still find ways to defend him. It has been 1.5 years since comeback, how much more time does he need to find his lost touch? This is International cricket, not some practice ground for him, that he will play, regardless of his performances, until and unless he finds his rhythm back, lol. Some say he has been economical, but it doesn't matter much in ODI cricket, as he was supposed to be our premier wicket taking bowler. Persisting with a bowler just because of his economy rate, is a joke in ODI cricket. By the way, his economy rate has been decent, not something extraordinary. Some will say who will replace him? This question doesn't make any sense, as there are bowlers in domestic who have a decent record in List A cricket. Just like Hasan Ali has outperformed Amir, like this some others may pop up. We should keep on trying new bowlers rather than sticking with players based on their reputation only.

After all this, I really think he seems untouchable, just because of his past reputation, despite his mediocre performances. This is not good at all. We shouldn't repeat another Afridi. We must prefer merit.

Have your say?

 

[Rayyman]

I don't care whether or not he is untouchable, but he is a good bowler and merits a place in the team. He can also bat too.

 

[90MPH]

Did you watch his bowling today ??

Some of you just waffle at anything.

 

[Savak]

Junaid knows how to get wickets unlike this coward who will adopt a safe line and length to be economical rather than take wickets.

 

[waseem84]

He is the reason why the others pick up wickets
As the opposition target the others bowlers

 

[Rizie]

lol he is the only bowler the opposition really fears

I think its quite unfair to him that they just like to play him out and never attack him.
Hopefully he can get alot of wickets against SL.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

He is a good bowler but is a tad overhyped.

 

[90MPH]

Junaid knows how to get wickets unlike this coward who will adopt a safe line and length to be economical rather than take wickets.

You really are a disgraceful fan.

Junaid got wickets through mishits but bowled well. Did you forget Amirs yorkers later in the innings ?? Was that a safe line and length ??

Keep your nonsense to yourself.

 

[Sherlock]

Wow, some of the replies here are idiotic

 

[Sherlock]

You really are a disgraceful fan.

Junaid got wickets through mishits but bowled well. Did you forget Amirs yorkers later in the innings ?? Was that a safe line and length ??

Keep your nonsense to yourself.

The irony being Junaid got his 2 wickets via length deliveries and mis-hits by the batsmen

 

[90MPH]

The irony being Junaid got his 2 wickets via length deliveries and mis-hits by the batsmen

Exactly.

Some fans can't look beyond their favourite players and having grudges against others.

 

[Mamoon]

He is a very good defensive option.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Yes.

Despite his betrayal he is the golden boy.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Yes, pretty much.

Swing, control, pace, bowling brain. The potential is too much to waste.

 

[Madplayer]

His inability to take wickets these days is worrisome. Economy rate is great but you dont get paid to just look good and be unlucky while bowling. Wickets should be top priority. Hope he picks some in the next game.

 

[90MPH]

Yes.

Despite his betrayal he is the golden boy.

Good to know you finally support him.

 

[Savak]

The irony being Junaid got his 2 wickets via length deliveries and mis-hits by the batsmen

That's the thing, Junaid and Hasan have the Jigra, they pitch the ball up and are willing to risk being tonked in exchange for wickets. I don't see the same from Amir.

 

[t_kaay]

Not all about taking wickets. He is making pressure at one end causing batsmen to take risks against other bowlers. Thought all our bowlers did exceptionally well today. You can't expect Amir to get loads of wickets every game. He's the best bowler we have and after missing out on years of playing he is catching up on lost experience. Don't lose hope and back your team.

 

[Red Devil]

Lol he's been bowling well, stop watching cricket of scorecards.

 

[Mamoon]

His inability to take wickets these days is worrisome. Economy rate is great but you dont get paid to just look good and be unlucky while bowling. Wickets should be top priority. Hope he picks some in the next game.

As long as Hasan continues to take wickets, it is not much of a problem. In fact, it is a luxury to have a pacer who is economical 8/10 times. However, Junaid needs to be shown the door as soon as possible. Like Wahab, he is a certified match-loser, and the wheels can come off any time. He is too much of a risk.

 

[t_kaay]

That's the thing, Junaid and Hasan have the Jigra, they pitch the ball up and are willing to risk being tonked in exchange for wickets. I don't see the same from Amir.

Think they tried that approach on Sunday and the Indians treated them to some tonking big style. Sky sports showed a graphic today showing how we bowled back of a length today compared to Sunday on the same track and reaped the rewards. Its all very well when you get the wicket but dot balls also kill the opposition, as we are all well aware of, thanks to our own Hafeez.

 

[Sherlock]

That's the thing, Junaid and Hasan have the Jigra, they pitch the ball up and are willing to risk being tonked in exchange for wickets. I don't see the same from Amir.

There's a difference between you not seeing it, and it actually happening.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Good to know you finally support him.

Never left his side

 

[Madplayer]

As long as Hasan continues to take wickets, it is not much of a problem. In fact, it is a luxury to have a pacer who is economical 8/10 times. However, Junaid needs to be shown the door as soon as possible. Like Wahab, he is a certified match-loser, and the wheels can come off any time. He is too much of a risk.

Yes but not even 1 wicket? You have to start asking questions at some stage. I think he has gone wicket less in at least the last couple of matches if not more. Good economy is needed but a wicket here and there is needed too. Right now he isnt picking ANY wickets. Not sayinh he should be dropped, but i'm sure he too must be thinking about it.

 

[Savak]

Amir is just playing the Zulfiqar Babar role at this point.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes but not even 1 wicket? You have to start asking questions at some stage. I think he has gone wicket less in at least the last couple of matches if not more. Good economy is needed but a wicket here and there is needed too. Right now he isnt picking ANY wickets. Not sayinh he should be dropped, but i'm sure he too must be thinking about it.

We need to accept that he is not a wicket-taker and never will be. 1-2 wickets after 2-3 wicket-less matches type of bowler. However, Hasan is going to take a lot of 5-fers in his career.

 

[Hawkeye]

You really are a disgraceful fan.

Junaid got wickets through mishits but bowled well. Did you forget Amirs yorkers later in the innings ?? Was that a safe line and length ??

Keep your nonsense to yourself.

Basically this. I can understand why [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] isn't really happy with him (long time beef), but [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] is just saying things which don't make much sense.

I mean, you need to be a really special analyst to be call Junaid better than Amir.

 

[Yossarian]

We need to accept that he is not a wicket-taker and never will be. 1-2 wickets after 2-3 wicket-less matches type of bowler. However, Hasan is going to take a lot of 5-fers in his career.

The opposition just try and play him out knowing that he can only bowl 10 overs max and they can whack the others around to get their runs. If there was quality also bowling from the other end, with more quality to come when he's finished his spell, then the batsmen know that they can't simply wait and play him out, they have to attack and try to get runs off him too. Thereby increasing his chances of taking wickets.

It's no coincidence that fast bowlers attack in pairs, because there's no letup from the other end.

 

[idrizzy]

We need to accept that he is not a wicket-taker and never will be. 1-2 wickets after 2-3 wicket-less matches type of bowler. However, Hasan is going to take a lot of 5-fers in his career.

Why would you say that Amir won't be a wicket taker anymore? It's clear he can be (1st Test vs WI, 1st innings) or was that just an anomaly?

I still think he's our most skillful bowler, it's unfortunate he hasn't got any wickets but it's not like his stats tell the whole picture, but they tell some. He's just been, good.

 

[Artaxerxes]

We don't have any other bowler to replace him.He is a good bowler.The wickets are flat and favour the batsmen.Pakistan doesn't have a tall and very quick bowler like Starc to to rip through the batting line ups.

 

[idrizzy]

The irony being Junaid got his 2 wickets via length deliveries and mis-hits by the batsmen

But, but, he got two wickets compared to Amir's zero!

The chutzpah of some fans. They'll probably lobby for Wahab to replace Amir if they could

 

[Square Drive]

As long as Hasan continues to take wickets, it is not much of a problem. In fact, it is a luxury to have a pacer who is economical 8/10 times. However, Junaid needs to be shown the door as soon as possible. Like Wahab, he is a certified match-loser, and the wheels can come off any time. He is too much of a risk.

Drop Junaid and bring in who?

 

[Mamoon]

Why would you say that Amir won't be a wicket taker anymore? It's clear he can be (1st Test vs WI, 1st innings) or was that just an anomaly?

I still think he's our most skillful bowler, it's unfortunate he hasn't got any wickets but it's not like his stats tell the whole picture, but they tell some. He's just been, good.

WI became cautious against him after the first innings and he was not among the wickets. The problem with him is that batsmen are able to see him off easily. He bowls a predictable, defensive line with the new ball - angling the ball across the right-handers, while he tries yorkers with the old ball but he is not quick enough to take wickets. He simply doesn't attack the stumps enough and does not bowl with the intensity of someone like Hasan to be among the wickets regularly.

 

[Pete Rose]

Good spell no wickets. Needs to get wickets

 

[Madplayer]

We need to accept that he is not a wicket-taker and never will be. 1-2 wickets after 2-3 wicket-less matches type of bowler. However, Hasan is going to take a lot of 5-fers in his career.

Is that good enough though? Certainly not for me. Also, its impossible to have good economy rate on a consistent basis these days and you are bound to be taken apart in a lot of matches. Amir will not be any different. He cant keep up this economy rate forever. Unless his wickets column shows improvement, he would be putting his selection is jeopardy.

Do you think he should/could be dropped if a wicket taking bowler emerges albeit with a higher economy rate compared to what he is bowling with these days?

 

[Mamoon]

The opposition just try and play him out knowing that he can only bowl 10 overs max and they can whack the others around to get their runs. If there was quality also bowling from the other end, with more quality to come when he's finished his spell, then the batsmen know that they can't simply wait and play him out, they have to attack and try to get runs off him too. Thereby increasing his chances of taking wickets.

It's no coincidence that fast bowlers attack in pairs, because there's no letup from the other end.

Hasan Ali is part of the same attack and he takes wickets, and it not simply because the batsmen attack him. He bowls a more attacking length that forces batsmen to make mistakes. Amir angling the ball across the right-handers doesn't fool many top batsmen, who are happy to either leave it or dab it towards the third man. Hasan on the other hand forces them to play at his deliveries and that brings bowled and LBW into play.

A small example: last summer in England, Joe Root left about a hundred deliveries of Amir and I don't think he ever dismissed him. In the ODIs, Hasan Ali only bowled to him a few times and managed to make him chop the ball onto his stumps, since he was continuously making him drive the ball.

If Amir attack the stumps more and bowls in the Corridor of Uncertainty, and he will start taking wickets in spite of all the justifications that people provide for his harmless bowling.

 

[Mamoon]

Drop Junaid and bring in who?

People don't like him, but I want to see more of Rumman.

 

[PakSarZameen]

He isn't the bowler fans make him to be, but he is amongst the top 3 pacers in Pakistan and thus deserves to be in the team.

 

[Mamoon]

Is that good enough though? Certainly not for me. Also, its impossible to have good economy rate on a consistent basis these days and you are bound to be taken apart in a lot of matches. Amir will not be any different. He cant keep up this economy rate forever. Unless his wickets column shows improvement, he would be putting his selection is jeopardy.

Do you think he should/could be dropped if a wicket taking bowler emerges albeit with a higher economy rate compared to what he is bowling with these days?

If another such bowler emerges, than he needs to be the third bowler of the pace attack, and not replace Amir. For Amir to be dropped, you would need two more wicket-taking options. Well that is good enough for me if people accept that he is not a strike bowler. The only problem is that he continues to get labeled as Pakistan's best bowler, even though he has nothing to show for it in the wickets column. In addition, they will come up with every excuse under the sun, which funnily enough do not apply to Hasan.

 

[DRsohail]

We need to accept that he is not a wicket-taker and never will be. 1-2 wickets after 2-3 wicket-less matches type of bowler. However, Hasan is going to take a lot of 5-fers in his career.

do you think it something to do with his fitness,,he just thundles in his 2nd spell...

 

[Mamoon]

do you think it something to do with his fitness,,he just thundles in his 2nd spell...

Yes fitness is a problem too, and I also think he doesn't have the heart.

 

[Yossarian]

A small example: last summer in England, Joe Root left about a hundred deliveries of Amir and I don't think he ever dismissed him. In the ODIs, Hasan Ali only bowled to him a few times and managed to make him chop the ball onto his stumps, since he was continuously making him drive the ball.

Exactly. There's your answer. Joe Root could afford to leave a 'hundred deliveries' in a Test match, but in an ODI or T20? Are you trying to compare leaving deliveries in a Test match with leaving deliveries in a limited overs match? In case you hadn't noticed, leaving deliveries in limited overs cricket means dot balls, which, depending upon the stage in the match, can be like gold dust to the fielding team.

 

[Mamoon]

Exactly. There's your answer. Joe Root could afford to leave a 'hundred deliveries' in a Test match, but in an ODI or T20? Are you trying to compare leaving deliveries in a Test match with leaving deliveries in a limited overs match? In case you hadn't noticed, leaving deliveries in limited overs cricket means dot balls, which, depending upon the stage in the match, can be like gold dust to the fielding team.

In ODIs, Root was happy to punch him through the back-foot, as are most other batsmen. They either leave the ball or milk him for a single, but he doesn't make trouble them. The bottom line is that Amir is not threatening in any format, and it is down to his own shortcomings and defensive mindset. The excuses of dropped catches, not having quality around him, fatigue etc. etc. do not work anymore, and they do not apply to someone like Hasan, who keeps taking wickets in spite of being subject to said constraints.

 

[Savak]

If another such bowler emerges, than he needs to be the third bowler of the pace attack, and not replace Amir. For Amir to be dropped, you would need two more wicket-taking options. Well that is good enough for me if people accept that he is not a strike bowler. The only problem is that he continues to get labeled as Pakistan's best bowler, even though he has nothing to show for it in the wickets column. In addition, they will come up with every excuse under the sun, which funnily enough do not apply to Hasan.

A glorified net bowler Amir playing the Zulfiqar Babar role.

 

[Mamoon]

A glorified net bowler Amir playing the Zulfiqar Babar role.

It is an apt comparison. He does provide good net practice to the batsmen on the pitch, allows them to get their eye in without having to worry about losing their wicket. If he is a "strike" bowler, then I have never seen a more impotent one.

 

[zyrus]

He's too defensive these days dont know why. He still reflects quality but that is not going to work for long till he take wickets. Teams clearly hit him at the end when its required so that whole defensive cover doesnt add up much.


But again, what are our other options? He seems better than them. Lets see if Ruman, Usman Shinwari or Sadaf can put up better performances in future.

 

[Mamoon]

In ODIs, Root was happy to punch him through the back-foot, as are most other batsmen. They either leave the ball or milk him for a single, but he doesn't make trouble them. The bottom line is that Amir is not threatening in any format, and it is down to his own shortcomings and defensive mindset. The excuses of dropped catches, not having quality around him, fatigue etc. etc. do not work anymore, and they do not apply to someone like Hasan, who keeps taking wickets in spite of being subject to said constraints.

doesn't trouble them*

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

To be fair, he has been mediocre in ODI cricket since his comeback. It is not that he made his comeback few months ago, but it has been 1.5 years or so. The thing which angers me is that despite his mediocre performances, he still gets the hype he doesn't deserve. Despite his mediocre performances, some still find ways to defend him. It has been 1.5 years since comeback, how much more time does he need to find his lost touch? This is International cricket, not some practice ground for him, that he will play, regardless of his performances, until and unless he finds his rhythm back, lol. Some say he has been economical, but it doesn't matter much in ODI cricket, as he was supposed to be our premier wicket taking bowler. Persisting with a bowler just because of his economy rate, is a joke in ODI cricket. By the way, his economy rate has been decent, not something extraordinary. Some will say who will replace him? This question doesn't make any sense, as there are bowlers in domestic who have a decent record in List A cricket. Just like Hasan Ali has outperformed Amir, like this some others may pop up. We should keep on trying new bowlers rather than sticking with players based on their reputation only.

After all this, I really think he seems untouchable, just because of his past reputation, despite his mediocre performances. This is not good at all. We shouldn't repeat another Afridi. We must prefer merit.

Have your say?

Given Amir we knew. Someone who took 5 wickets in an over, (1 was runout) he has been average going by his previous record and performances. (Blind Lovers won't agree)


But He was excellent today and deserved couple of wickets atleast.

The way he setup Miller for that yorker was brilliant indeed. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]


I am glad and I feel that both Amir & Azhar read PP.


I pointed out that he bowled defensive lengths vs India. His first over was probing with Ooz and Aaz but it was defensive. While on the other hand his first over in Asia Cup on a Dhaka wicket was very agressive and daring one as a result He got 2 wickets in first over of two excellent technically very sound batsmen.


After last match I pointed out with images that all his 3 wickets in Asia Cup were pitched in between 2m to 6.5m zone while vs India in CT he bowled ocassional deliveries in this zone while being shorter and defensive mostly so He needed to delay his release by few milliseconds.


Amir improved and his lengths were much better both with New and Old ball esoecially with Old ball.


Expect him to bowl more better vs SL.


Mamoon if he bowls further up with the new ball which would need more tunning drills with Azhar Mahmood than watch out He will be 3-4 kph faster and will InshaAllah turn matches.


I know there are few " IF's "


Hope CT is the stage to announce himself to World Cricket yet again InshaAllah.

 

[saqibjamil]

Lol he's been bowling well, stop watching cricket of scorecards.

The best comment in this thread.

 

[lahori@denmark]

Mising his speed variation as he use to bowl before ban where he could swing bowl 140 k and then in 125 k in same lenght and swing to surprise the batsman

 

[shah_1]

He is not doing what was expected from him but he is in the side on merit.

Hasan Ali is right now better but I don't see any other bowler replacing him or doing better than him

 

[Abdullah]

For now . Yes
Should always have been amir Sohail and hasan for this tournie. All along

 

[moghul]

He is Pakistan's best bowler, hardly ever had any support from other end. Today Junaid bowled well with him and Saffers were under pressure .

 

[ZyzzBrah]

Aha look another member on his forum who follows ESPNCRICINFO instead of watching the actual game. Amir bowled beautifully and was unlucky not to get a wicket

 

[moghul]

WI became cautious against him after the first innings and he was not among the wickets. The problem with him is that batsmen are able to see him off easily. He bowls a predictable, defensive line with the new ball - angling the ball across the right-handers, while he tries yorkers with the old ball but he is not quick enough to take wickets. He simply doesn't attack the stumps enough and does not bowl with the intensity of someone like Hasan to be among the wickets regularly.

Who bowled better under pressure cooker like situation against India, Hasan or Amir ? Hasan conceded 70 runs at ER 7.0 and Amir at 3.91 with no support from other end while a spinner was operating. As usual most of our criticism are based on personal likeness or otherwise and not on merit.

 

[Savak]

Who bowled better under pressure cooker like situation against India, Hasan or Amir ? Hasan conceded 70 runs at ER 7.0 and Amir at 3.91 with no support from other end while a spinner was operating. As usual most of our criticism are based on personal likeness or otherwise and not on merit.

The role of Amir is of a strike bowler, the strike bowler is suppossed to pick up wickets i.e. atleast 2-3 on average, and i will take 3-55/60 over 0-35.

 

[coy0607]

ridiculous thread.. at worst Amir is the second best fast bowler in Pakistan, no one else even comes close (other than Hassan Ali)

he's not getting wickets, but he's bowling well. There is no one is Pakistan who can take his spot and outperform him

 

[Adil_94]

Hasan and Junaid outbowled him today never looked threatening was just hitting a length like a bowling machine

 

[msb314]

As long as Hasan continues to take wickets, it is not much of a problem. In fact, it is a luxury to have a pacer who is economical 8/10 times. However, Junaid needs to be shown the door as soon as possible. Like Wahab, he is a certified match-loser, and the wheels can come off any time. He is too much of a risk.

What do you mean?

 

[The_Odd_One]

The role of Amir is of a strike bowler, the strike bowler is suppossed to pick up wickets i.e. atleast 2-3 on average, and i will take 3-55/60 over 0-35.

lol, even the greatest of bowlers did not pick 2-3 wickets a match on average. That's expecting 500-600 wickets in 200 matches. None has done it in the history of ODI cricket.

 

[arehaan]

People pointing fingers on Amir have no clue whats going on. Just relying on stats alone doesnt do justice to the impact he is having. No team has been able to get hold of him in the 1st PP yet and he was brilliant yesterday till the last over where he went for 11 runs spoiling his figures some what. He is the best new ball bowler currently and teams are handling him with extreme caution. He could have easily had 2 -3 wickets in both the matches.

 

[Savak]

lol, even the greatest of bowlers did not pick 2-3 wickets a match on average. That's expecting 500-600 wickets in 200 matches. None has done it in the history of ODI cricket.

My point was that Amir has to play the Starc role. Starc always picks up a wicket per game. Most importantly he goes after the top batsmen or cleans up the tail but he is looking for wickets, not economy. The goal should be wickets foremost, if it comes with economy great, if wickets come without economy no problem because wickets are what wins games not economy from a strike bowler.

 

[Savak]

People pointing fingers on Amir have no clue whats going on. Just relying on stats alone doesnt do justice to the impact he is having. No team has been able to get hold of him in the 1st PP yet and he was brilliant yesterday till the last over where he went for 11 runs spoiling his figures some what. He is the best new ball bowler currently and teams are handling him with extreme caution. He could have easily had 2 -3 wickets in both the matches.

When you pick up early wickets, you put the opposition on the back foot and maximize your chances of restricting them to a below par total or putting them under severe pressure in the run chase. If he is allowing batsmen to see him off without getting wickets he is not doing his job

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Aha look another member on his forum who follows ESPNCRICINFO instead of watching the actual game. Amir bowled beautifully and was unlucky not to get a wicket

Ok.........Explain to me......In Objective Facts........How was he Unlucky ???

Would really like an answer on this !!

Anyone ??

 

[Rayyman]

My point was that Amir has to play the Starc role. Starc always picks up a wicket per game. Most importantly he goes after the top batsmen or cleans up the tail but he is looking for wickets, not economy. The goal should be wickets foremost, if it comes with economy great, if wickets come without economy no problem because wickets are what wins games not economy from a strike bowler.

False. Starc failed to pick up a wicket in the match vs NZ in this CT.

 

[arehaan]

When you pick up early wickets, you put the opposition on the back foot and maximize your chances of restricting them to a below par total or putting them under severe pressure in the run chase. If he is allowing batsmen to see him off without getting wickets he is not doing his job

I dont understand what are you trying to imply. Its not like we are playing on fast seaming tracks so you have to rely on good line and length and hope for some luck to go your way. Unfortunately he has seen plenty of plays and misses but on any other day he could have had 2-3 wickets against his name. Never the less he is doing fine now and we dont have a better new ball bowler than him.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

I dont understand what are you trying to imply. Its not like we are playing on fast seaming tracks so you have to rely on good line and length and hope for some luck to go your way. Unfortunately he has seen plenty of plays and misses but on any other day he could have had 2-3 wickets against his name. Never the less he is doing fine now and we dont have a better new ball bowler than him.

On just this basis alone we actually do !!

 

[Savak]

I dont understand what are you trying to imply. Its not like we are playing on fast seaming tracks so you have to rely on good line and length and hope for some luck to go your way. Unfortunately he has seen plenty of plays and misses but on any other day he could have had 2-3 wickets against his name. Never the less he is doing fine now and we dont have a better new ball bowler than him.

Hassan Ali and Junaid Khan have been out performing him in ODI's is what i am saying. Amir had a poor PSL as well. His performances do not justify the hype around him. For someone who was fast tracked into the team, given preferential treatment, the numbers need to justify it which they don't.

 

[Zak_Fan]

It seems Amir will forever be the unlucky bowler who got robbed of wickets one way or the other.

 

[Pollack]

It seems Amir will forever be the unlucky bowler who got robbed of wickets one way or the other.

Ishant Sharma of Pakistan.

 

[arehaan]

Hassan Ali and Junaid Khan have been out performing him in ODI's is what i am saying. Amir had a poor PSL as well. His performances do not justify the hype around him. For someone who was fast tracked into the team, given preferential treatment, the numbers need to justify it which they don't.

My friend its not about out performance, its about team work and you hunt in pairs. I dont know if you have seen the great W's era there were always days when Akram didnt pick any wickets but ensured the pressure was kept on from one end and the batsmen happened to take chances with Waqar where he ended up with the wickets. The preferential treatment given to him was for the very reason which is on display. For me the role he is doing is great which is keeping the batsmen in check during the 1st PP where you have plenty of hard hitting modern day batsmen ready to take you apart. If they are showing him the due respect then surely he is good enough and deserves that treatment. Wickets will come eventually either for him or the team if other bowlers can compliment which was the case yesterday.

 

[Khwaja]

Aamer is just there to sweat the batsmen, spook them, and put them under immense pressure with beautiful Yorkers. While on the other end, when the situation is pressured on the opposition, smart HASAN ALI will trick batsmen and get wickets

 

[Square Drive]

People don't like him, but I want to see more of Rumman.

Good choice.

 

[todfod 11]

Yes he is because he is the best bowler from pakistan. please start watchi g live cricket the just going through the scorecard

 

[yasir]

We all are disappointed at progress and fitness of Amir, even after all that he has bowled more overs than any other fast bowler in the world except HW, his avg speed is fast then HW. In first year after returning that was too much load on him. He is still not fully fit, does not use his lower body much(that's where most of the problems are regarding swing and impact), his length is little too short, that's why he does not get much wickets...I still think playing him in every format is a mistake, he should play LOIs only, until he starts swinging and fit enough to use whole body...

Despite all those issues, he is still miles ahead of all Pakistan fast bowlers(recently Hasan is only one catching up to his level of quality), that's why he has been playing in every format. Hasan is clearly more fit, bowls with energy and attitude. Amir is missing on that venom, which he had before, now its missing, something very important to be a fast bowler.

Pakistan cannot afford to drop Amir or Hasan from LOI teams, they both are critical to success of Pakistani team. Pakistan also needs an attacking Captain, that forces bowlers to bowl attacking length...People tends to forget even Wasim was raw talent with not much among wickets for first few years, Imran used to take most of the wickets, Wasim was creating pressure. County season changed Wasim to a swing king. Amir should be playing county cricket this year, that is critical for him to get his swing back...

Another bowler I like is Raees, Pakistan should play him in ODIs as well. These bowlers should be push to increase pace, Hasan has gotten lot better with extra 5 clicks pace(135 Arg to 140/142). Amir need to reach avg pace of 145 from 140, he cannot do that while playing test cricket, its impossible with this work load. Its better to bring him in test when he reach that level, like Strac, who went from 140 to 150, at that point he was introduced to test team!!

 

[kingusama92]

He deserves his spot.

Just because he's not the bowler everyone wants him to be doesn't mean he's undeserving of a spot. Those are two separate things and shouldn't be mixed.

I'd take him any day of the week over other pacers in domestic cricket.

 

[Xoib]

WI became cautious against him after the first innings and he was not among the wickets. The problem with him is that batsmen are able to see him off easily. He bowls a predictable, defensive line with the new ball - angling the ball across the right-handers, while he tries yorkers with the old ball but he is not quick enough to take wickets. He simply doesn't attack the stumps enough and does not bowl with the intensity of someone like Hasan to be among the wickets regularly.

Now that is a blatant lie.

He has been the quickest bowler in terms of average speed in both games and yes that includes Rabada and Wahab you can check the speed thread here to confirm it.

 

[Mamoon]

Who bowled better under pressure cooker like situation against India, Hasan or Amir ? Hasan conceded 70 runs at ER 7.0 and Amir at 3.91 with no support from other end while a spinner was operating. As usual most of our criticism are based on personal likeness or otherwise and not on merit.

Amir is a good defensive bowler and Hasan is a good strike bowler. A strike bowler is generally a bit on the expensive side, but he takes wickets and makes an impact. I am fine with Hasan bowling expensive spells every now and then, as long as he provides regular breakthroughs which he does. Not everyone can be like Wasim or McGrath i.e. be economical as well take wickets frequently.

At the moment, Hasan is more important to the team than Amir with his defensive bowling. Unfortunately, we as a nation suffer from Superstar Syndrome and we are not comfortable in accepting the fact that Hasan is comfortably out-bowling the golden boy who has zero impact on the proceedings. Obviously as I have stated already, Amir is an important member of the bowling attack because it is a luxury to have a pacer who is economical, but we should be prepared to call him what he is - a defensive, sidekick to the main strike bowler (Hasan).

What do you mean?

I mean that it is only a matter of time before Junaid gets demolished like Wahab. He is a certified match-loser and he can lose the plot any time. I hope it doesn't happen in this tournament because one more loss at any stage, and we are pretty much out.

Now that is a blatant lie.

He has been the quickest bowler in terms of average speed in both games and yes that includes Rabada and Wahab you can check the speed thread here to confirm it.

That maybe true for the CT, but I am talking about his bowling overall, and his lack of impact since his return. Pace, swing, intensity etc. etc. everything is down. He simply goes through the motions and bowls like a bowling machine. The only thing going for him is accuracy, which is why he does not get hammered like Wahab and Junaid.

 

[SaadAliG]

Wahab takes all the attention away from him. Amir is the worst bowler to play for us this regularly.

 

[ExpressPacer]

A very good thread. While Amir is certainly overrated to some extent, there is no denying in the fact that he's one of the first men to make the team. Hasan Ali has slightly overtaken him due to his wicket-taking ability, but that's because of his fitness. Amir was brilliant in the Test series vs the Windies a couple of months ago and frankly, that is all that matters to me. He's been pretty good in LOI's too. This wicket-less parade is bound to end soon. On his day, he is comfortably the best bowler from both sides.