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Is MS Dhoni an ATG?

Overall i don't rate Dhoni as among ATG. He came close though. I rate Gilchrist above him because he performed much better in tests.

Gilly's ODI average please ?

He is a Top notch wic keeper but Dhoni would make it in ATG list just for his amazing stumpings

Both of them have something in common no T20 50 but Gilly bats as Opener so excuse for him.. :kohli
 
Gilly's ODI average please ?

He is a Top notch wic keeper but Dhoni would make it in ATG list just for his amazing stumpings

Both of them have something in common no T20 50 but Gilly bats as Opener so excuse for him.. :kohli

If i count both test and ODI format them even Gilly doesn't make it as ATG. I rate test performance over ODI thats why Gilly comes ahead to Dhoni. Dhoni is a good wicketkeeper , not a great one. For sheer wicketkeeping skill Kirmani was the best Indian w/k i saw.
 
Tests: No, I don't think so
ODIs: Yes
T20s: Yes

Also the only Captain in the history of cricket to have won everything.

ICC Test No. 1 team, ICC 50 Over World Cup, ICC T20 World Cup, ICC Champions Trophy plus all those IPLs.
No other captain has ever achieved that. That makes him one of the ATG Captains for me.
 
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As an ODI guy yes
this guy exudes confidence
best i have seen of all time

Has been pretty decent in tests too given the resources he had. Made us #1 in tests when he had resources. Got retired when he felt others can take up. Dont just go on stats.

Overall he is an ATG for sure.
 
If i count both test and ODI format them even Gilly doesn't make it as ATG. I rate test performance over ODI thats why Gilly comes ahead to Dhoni. Dhoni is a good wicketkeeper , not a great one. For sheer wicketkeeping skill Kirmani was the best Indian w/k i saw.

Really? You are talking about the guy who has record of fastest stumping. And the best instincts. Kirmani or even Gilly, as a wicket keeper Dhoni is surely the best of all.
 
Has been pretty decent in tests too given the resources he had. Made us #1 in tests when he had resources. Got retired when he felt others cnan take up. Dont just go on stats.

Overall he is an ATG for sure.

He is defo an ATG
He is the cricketing symbol of the new era, the social media, digital era of cricket. The youtube era, the meme era, the vine era, the twitter era - the IPL era - the entertainment era.

Of this era, post the 90s era
Dhoni is THE Iconic cricketer.

When he is at the crease YOU ALWAYS HAVE HOPE.
ALWAYS.

I say this as a Bangla fan,

I am telling you Dhoni is ATG, best of all time
 
Really? You are talking about the guy who has record of fastest stumping. And the best instincts. Kirmani or even Gilly, as a wicket keeper Dhoni is surely the best of all.
Its your opinion and i respect that. I have seen commit Dhoni quite a few errors too over the years. So my opinion of him is not as great as yours. Wicket Keeper is one rare cricketing ability where you are judged by mistakes rather than catches/stumping achievements. Otherwise Kamran Akmal would be rated among the better wicket keeper.
Unfortunately there are not much clips of pre 90's WK on youtube.
This was the best i could find.
[utube]2UOsHIMFUgU [/utube]
 
And overall? Considering everything

His achievements are of a stature of an ATG player. But simply all formats combined I won't call him ATG because he was simply not a gun performer in tests. But a gun LOI player and will be remembered as a game changer for Indian cricket.
 
Has been pretty decent in tests too given the resources he had. Made us #1 in tests when he had resources. Got retired when he felt others can take up. Dont just go on stats.

Overall he is an ATG for sure.

Good test player ? yes

ATG? No

Good test Captain? No
 
If i count both test and ODI format them even Gilly doesn't make it as ATG. I rate test performance over ODI thats why Gilly comes ahead to Dhoni. Dhoni is a good wicketkeeper , not a great one. For sheer wicketkeeping skill Kirmani was the best Indian w/k i saw.

Younis khan ll make ATG so ? No technique needed tuk tuk tuk and put a bad ball for 4

ODI does count where you batting skills are tested in limited amount of overs..


WC + Captaincy + Great finisher = Easily ll make it to ATG list no excuses :moyo
 
For me, he is!
People may go gaga about Kohli these days but Kohli is a production of BCCI's dominance and bending of rules (disabling reserve, anti-chuck, power-plays etc) for softies-growth. Kohli is only feasting over such fruits. He has hardly faced any quality attack. Isolated Amir, Starc, Boult for couple of overs is NOT called a quality attack.

Dhoni on the other had came when India was in their dumber times, and he took them to the maximum possible level. Even at times where BCCI was yet to grow crazy (2007 WC).
 
If i count both test and ODI format them even Gilly doesn't make it as ATG. I rate test performance over ODI thats why Gilly comes ahead to Dhoni. Dhoni is a good wicketkeeper , not a great one. For sheer wicketkeeping skill Kirmani was the best Indian w/k i saw.

What? Adam Gilchrist is easily one of the greatest ODI openers ever, and that's without adding in his ability to keep.

3 World cup finals, 2 fifties + 1 incredible century.
 
For me, he is!
People may go gaga about Kohli these days but Kohli is a production of BCCI's dominance and bending of rules (disabling reserve, anti-chuck, power-plays etc) for softies-growth. Kohli is only feasting over such fruits. He has hardly faced any quality attack. Isolated Amir, Starc, Boult for couple of overs is NOT called a quality attack.

Dhoni on the other had came when India was in their dumber times, and he took them to the maximum possible level. Even at times where BCCI was yet to grow crazy (2007 WC).

Remind me of how your chuck-master performed against Kohli. :ajmal

Seriously, your assessment is as bad as someone calling Wasim and Waqar a product of ball-tampering and biased home umpires.
 
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Good test player ? yes

ATG? No

Good test Captain? No

Ok bro but Dhoni has been a very good test captain as well. Yes in Aus he couldnt win anything in Tests but he also didnt let Aus win anything in India. Against England he has a weak record but thats it. He has done well in all other countries.
He led us to #1 position in tests when he had good players. He held on when we were in transition phase and still he has most wins for India and best win %age of all time for India.
He is also the most successful wicketkeeper batsman of India and one of the best overall. Only one or two went better than him.

Considering these facts and his ATG level performances and achievements in ODIs, yes he is ATG and one of the best player to have entered on cricket field.
 
Mediocre in tests, the format where ATGs are made. He's in the class of Brett Lee, Michael Bevan and Saqlain Mushtaq.

Great LOI players but won't be ATGs.
 
Nope he is not. Is an ODI Great but unless you are a great in tests, you cannot become an ATG.

Doubt if he will even get picked for any All time Indian Test X1s. Kirmani/Engineer will always be ahead of him.
 
obviously he is one of the all time best best in ODI format with both keeping batting and captaincy but no where near even india's best in tests left alone in the world
 
For me, he is!
People may go gaga about Kohli these days but Kohli is a production of BCCI's dominance and bending of rules (disabling reserve, anti-chuck, power-plays etc) for softies-growth. Kohli is only feasting over such fruits. He has hardly faced any quality attack. Isolated Amir, Starc, Boult for couple of overs is NOT called a quality attack.

Dhoni on the other had came when India was in their dumber times, and he took them to the maximum possible level. Even at times where BCCI was yet to grow crazy (2007 WC).


haha damn hilarious!!!!
 
What? Adam Gilchrist is easily one of the greatest ODI openers ever, and that's without adding in his ability to keep.

3 World cup finals, 2 fifties + 1 incredible century.

I am a big fan of him but he is not ATG ODI opener. Performance in final alone doesn't make him ODI ATG, but it does make him a guy who revels in finals. Still you have to take in account other WC matches too.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...fault;template=results;trophy=12;type=batting
In WC he under-performed against many countries.
WC Avg
vs Eng - 24.50 (2 matches), vs NZ - 11.00 (3 matches), Pakistan - 18.33 ( 3 Matches) , SA - 17.00 ( 4 Matches) , WI - 14.00 (2 matches)
 
Ok bro but Dhoni has been a very good test captain as well. Yes in Aus he couldnt win anything in Tests but he also didnt let Aus win anything in India. Against England he has a weak record but thats it. He has done well in all other countries.
He led us to #1 position in tests when he had good players. He held on when we were in transition phase and still he has most wins for India and best win %age of all time for India.
He is also the most successful wicketkeeper batsman of India and one of the best overall. Only one or two went better than him.

Considering these facts and his ATG level performances and achievements in ODIs, yes he is ATG and one of the best player to have entered on cricket field.

ATG in LOI without any doubt but dont get fool yourself into thinking he was a good test captain.

8-0, Series loss to England at home, PAthetic away tours show his calibre as test captain

At home you can make anyone captain and India would win against Australia.

He may be Indian great in tests but not an ATG, ATG WK/batsmen are likes of Gilchrist, Andy flower, Sanga, Alan knott etc.

No. 1 ranking was due to best ever team India ever had in tests. Great batting coupled with probably best ever Indian attack.
 
ATG in LOI without any doubt but dont get fool yourself into thinking he was a good test captain.

8-0, Series loss to England at home, PAthetic away tours show his calibre as test captain

At home you can make anyone captain and India would win against Australia.

He may be Indian great in tests but not an ATG, ATG WK/batsmen are likes of Gilchrist, Andy flower, Sanga, Alan knott etc.

No. 1 ranking was due to best ever team India ever had in tests. Great batting coupled with probably best ever Indian attack.

Sangarkara was not a wicketkeeper batsman for all his career. He was not a captain throughout his career. Neither was Andy flower. And you can consider Allan Knott as a great wicketkeeper batsman but not Dhoni. Thats Strange looking at their career stats.

Dhoni lost those series when the team was in transition phase.

#1 ranking was sue to best ever team right? Didnt you guys had the best ever team at the time of Imran Khan? I dont think you had the #1 ranking then...

I agree to you that a team is as good as a captain. Thats why we lost those series outside Asia bro. But greatness comes when you pick up from there and make a team who is capable enough to perform. And he retired when he saw potential in Kohli and other youngsters of our test team.

Under his captaincy we didnt lose in 11 straight tests. Our series loss was after many series. Bcoz of good team plus his captaincy as well. At least you should give credit where its due.

I am not saying he is an ATG in tests but he was an excellent player for sure. Also he is an ATG in LOIs hence overall I come to this point that overall he is an ATG.

And people who think that only test make an ATG player then guys you all are wrong. If this would have been the case then #1 ranking in test would have been given more priority then a world cup.

ODIs matter as much as tests do.
 
This thread leaves a bad taste in mouth because everyone is just taking turns bashing Dhoni for not being ATG in tests. IMO he is ATG. Dont look at just stats, not that average of 38 is way above average for a keeper.

This man led Indian team in all formats for many years, hardly taking a break, keeping, captainig and batting. He played lot of memorable innings in ODIs, won T20 WC, ODI WC, Champions trophy, was MOM as a captain in world cup final. Under him, India achieved some ridiculous success in ODIs like never before. Beating the likes of SL, NZ, Eng, Pak by large margins of 5-0,4-1,6-1,5-2, etc regularly.

Dhoni is a legend, an all time great, and you know it!!
 
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ATG in LOIs (captaincy in T20Is otherwise he's been irrelevant in that format).
 
Some details about Dhoni the test player
Only 6 wicket keepers have played more tests than Dhoni in entire test cricket history.
Only 2 wicket keepers have scored more test runs than Dhoni.
Only 5 wicket keepers have avg:ed more than Dhoni(Of these ABDV played only 20 tests as WK & sANGA only 48 tests as WK)
So all the above combined, i only find Gilchrist & Flower & may be Sanga as better wk/test batsmen than Dhoni.
So , being 3rd or 4rth among wk-batsmen in tests means Dhoni indeed was a great player in tests.


if i add some other details w.r.t topic from my earlier posts Dhoni for me is a certified ATG player.
 
Well then how is Imran Khan an all time great with a batting average of 37 in tests and only 33 in ODI(with only 1 century) after 175 games? Not to mention a very average bowler in ODIs. 182 wickets in 175 games at an average of 26.61

MSD keeps wickets too plus is probably the top 3 if not the best finisher of LOI games.

If Imran Khan was an ATG because he was a great bowler and clearly an average batsman then same could be said where MSD is a great ODI batsman and a better than average keeper. Last T20 suggests he's much better keeper than what he gets credit for.

And before you go beserk, I do think IK is an ATG.
 
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ATG in LOI without any doubt but dont get fool yourself into thinking he was a good test captain.

8-0, Series loss to England at home, PAthetic away tours show his calibre as test captain

At home you can make anyone captain and India would win against Australia.

He may be Indian great in tests but not an ATG, ATG WK/batsmen are likes of Gilchrist, Andy flower, Sanga, Alan knott etc.

No. 1 ranking was due to best ever team India ever had in tests. Great batting coupled with probably best ever Indian attack.

Really !!! Well then can you show me some captains (Indian or elsewhere) who won more home tests vs Aus **EVER** ?

And lol at Best Ever Indian Bowling attack :)) Which Bowlers that played under him will ever get into a world XI ? ZERO - Sifar.
 
For me, he is!
People may go gaga about Kohli these days but Kohli is a production of BCCI's dominance and bending of rules (disabling reserve, anti-chuck, power-plays etc) for softies-growth. Kohli is only feasting over such fruits. He has hardly faced any quality attack. Isolated Amir, Starc, Boult for couple of overs is NOT called a quality attack.

Dhoni on the other had came when India was in their dumber times, and he took them to the maximum possible level. Even at times where BCCI was yet to grow crazy (2007 WC).

WOW. Heights of delusion.

Kohli used to own Ajmal even when he chucked. He can only face the attack put in front of him.
 
Really? You are talking about the guy who has record of fastest stumping. And the best instincts. Kirmani or even Gilly, as a wicket keeper Dhoni is surely the best of all.

Then you possibly haven't watched Kirmani in action. Dhoni doesnt come within a mile of Kirmani's wicketkeeping abilities.
 
Sangarkara was not a wicketkeeper batsman for all his career. He was not a captain throughout his career. Neither was Andy flower. And you can consider Allan Knott as a great wicketkeeper batsman but not Dhoni. Thats Strange looking at their career stats.

Dhoni lost those series when the team was in transition phase.

#1 ranking was sue to best ever team right? Didnt you guys had the best ever team at the time of Imran Khan? I dont think you had the #1 ranking then...

I agree to you that a team is as good as a captain. Thats why we lost those series outside Asia bro. But greatness comes when you pick up from there and make a team who is capable enough to perform. And he retired when he saw potential in Kohli and other youngsters of our test team.

Under his captaincy we didnt lose in 11 straight tests. Our series loss was after many series. Bcoz of good team plus his captaincy as well. At least you should give credit where its due.

I am not saying he is an ATG in tests but he was an excellent player for sure. Also he is an ATG in LOIs hence overall I come to this point that overall he is an ATG.

And people who think that only test make an ATG player then guys you all are wrong. If this would have been the case then #1 ranking in test would have been given more priority then a world cup.

ODIs matter as much as tests do.

Imran got the team to no. 1 rankings in late or mid 80s when WI arguably the best team ever to play cricket were playing

Imran's great achievement was that he never lost to WI of 80s at their peak. They were easily 2nd best in that era which is better than being best of some other era

ODI ATG he is, but great OD stats cant make him a test ATG

Alan knott was a brilliant W/K, and his stats equate to average 40 these days
 
Really !!! Well then can you show me some captains (Indian or elsewhere) who won more home tests vs Aus **EVER** ?

And lol at Best Ever Indian Bowling attack :)) Which Bowlers that played under him will ever get into a world XI ? ZERO - Sifar.

Misbah beat Aussies 2-0 after loss of Ajmal, this Aussie team sucks against spin big time

Beating them at home is not a big achievement

I would call Kohli's achievement of beating SA 4-0 much better
 
Misbah beat Aussies 2-0 after loss of Ajmal, this Aussie team sucks against spin big time

Beating them at home is not a big achievement

I would call Kohli's achievement of beating SA 4-0 much better

MSD won 8 out of 8 vs Aus starting from 2008 ... No other captain has won that many vs any Australian team and they were ranked in top 3.
 
Yea. He is an ATG ODI player and great Test player and good t20 player.

It would've been better for his overall legacy if he had more success in tests and somehow managed to win a series away in England Aus or SA
 
Yea. He is an ATG ODI player and great Test player and good t20 player.

It would've been better for his overall legacy if he had more success in tests and somehow managed to win a series away in England Aus or SA

I think he drew a series in SA........
 
Yea. He is an ATG ODI player and great Test player and good t20 player.

It would've been better for his overall legacy if he had more success in tests and somehow managed to win a series away in England Aus or SA

I think he drew a series in SA........
 
Yea. He is an ATG ODI player and great Test player and good t20 player.

It would've been better for his overall legacy if he had more success in tests and somehow managed to win a series away in England Aus or SA

He is an ATG at T20 as well.

Domestic tournaments and Champs League has always been central to T20 so one can't ignore IPL and CLT20 achievements on top of his winning Asia Cup and World Cup as captains.
 
any one denying Dhoni is an ATG in ODI/T20i is probably a Pak hater. Honestly, I read the same **** for Inzamam as an ODI ATG, despite having done zilch in ICC Tourneys other than a gloriously overhyped semi final performance in 1992
 
Do you have some video link etc?

I don't. I watched him play in the eighties. The only Indian wicket-keeper whose keeping skills showed glimpses of potentially rising to Syed Kirmani's level was Sadanand Vishwanath (who briefly played for India, including during the Benson and Hedges world series in Australia, if memory serves right). I so wish Sadanand's career didn't implode the way it did.

The Kirmani era was phenomenal. There were some amazing keepers world wide at that time (Pakistan, West Indies, Australia all had some great wicket keepers).

Kirmani was in a a league of his own. Had amazing anticipatory abilities, and was fleet of foot, and would go airborne diving towards the slip cordon. Had taken many catches which were clearly headed to the slips.

Years after his last international match he once participated in a charity match for retired players (in the 90s). He was as nimble and acrobatic in that match as well. I watched this match with some friends who hadn't ever seen him during his playing years, and they were stunned by this ex-cricketers wicketkeeping abilities. In this match too, he dived and took a catch that was headed to the slip area. I remember my friends exclaiming in disbelief, "Unbelievable! How could he do that? Man, this guy needs to be replace our current wicket-keeper in the India team'.

I have heard Sunny Gavaskar say the same, about Syed Murtaza Kirmani's wicket keeping abilities.
 
Overrating the past as always


No. If you think it is sheer nostalgia for a bygone era, that causes me to rate Syed Kirmani as the best Indian WK, then by that logic I should consider Sunil Gavaskar a much better bat than Sachin (a view very strongly shared by Javed Miandad).

I strongly believe that overall Sachin is a much more talented batsman, though I agree with Javed Miandad, that Gavaskar was like a fortress with a very strong temperament to hunker down and mentally wear down the opposition (Rahul Dravid shared some of Sunny's patience and determination, in that regard). Overall, Sachin is a much more talented and much greater batsman than Sunny (in my books)...nostalgia notwithstanding.
 
Yes. Greatest WK batsman from Asia and a top 3 captain of all time.
 
I meant to write that I watched Syed Kirmani play during the seventies and the eighties.
 
Overrating the past as always

Kirmani was the best wicket keeper produced by India. He played in an era when Indian matches had begun to be telecast. Lots of his matches are available on Youtube.

Kirmani was dropped in late 1980s and replaced by Chandrakant Pandit and More. One could clearly notice that the keeping of a nearly fourty year old was vastly superior to that of Pandit and More., his much younger replacements.
 
MS Dhoni would have been the most exciting cricketer had he not captained India and batted at No. 3: Gambhir

Former India opener Gautam Gambhir said world cricket missed witnessing MS Dhoni continuing to bat at No. 3, saying the wicketkeeper-batsman would have been a 'completely different player' as a top-order batsman.

Gautam Gambhir said MS Dhoni would have the 'most exciting cricketer' had he continued to bat at No. 3 instead of going on to become the captain of the Indian cricket team.

MS Dhoni, who made his India debut in 2004, grabbed the attention of the cricket world when he was pushed to bat at No. 3. Two of his memorable and ruthless hundreds came at the No. 3 position against Sri Lanka and Pakistan in 2005.

While he made a mark as an aggressive No. 3 batsman, Dhoni played only 16 ODIs at the top-order spot, scoring 993 runs at an average of over 82 and a strike rate of close to 100. The majority of his 10,773 ODI runs came at No. 5 and No. 6 as Dhoni went on to become a calm and calculated finisher after taking over the mantle of captaincy.

"Probably world cricket has missed one thing... that is MS (Dhoni) captained India and did not bat at No. 3. Had MS batted at No. 3, probably world cricket would have seen a completely different player," Gautam Gambhir told Star Sports 'Cricket Connected'

"Probably he would have got many more runs, broken many records. Forget about records, they are meant to be broken. He would have been the most exciting cricketer in the world had he not captained India and had he batted at No. 3.

"MS Dhoni batting at No. 3 on flat wickets with the quality of bowling attack now in world cricket... look at Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and West Indies in the current situation, with the quality there is no international cricket, MS Dhoni would have broken most of the records."

MS Dhoni has not played international cricket since the 2019 World Cup. The World Cup-winning captain has kept mum about his future in international cricket even as speculations are rife about it.

However, MS Dhoni had trained with Chennai Super Kings in the lead-up to Indian Premier League in March. With IPL 2020 remaining suspended, uncertainty over Dhoni's future is among the widely-debated subjects in the cricket fraternity.

Meanwhile, Pakistan wicketkeeper-batsman Kamran Akmal believes MS Dhoni should be India's first-choice wicketkeeper at the T20 World Cup.

KL Rahul has established himself as the first-choice wicketkeeper for India in T20Is, keeping Rishabh Pant out of the playing XI. With the two young wicketkeepers batting for spot in the XI, it remains to be seen if Dhoni will decide to get back into the side in the lead up to the 16-team tournament.

Earlier, Dhoni's India and Chennai Super Kings teammate Harbhajan Singh had hinted that the legendary wicketkeeper does not want to play for India again.

"He wants to play IPL 100 percent. But one needs to know his take on whether he wants to play for India anymore or not. I think he doesn't want to play for India again. He has played so much for India," Harbhajan said.
https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...captain-india-no-3-batting-1688831-2020-06-14
 
Dhoni is one of my fav Indian players but dont think he will ever feature in anyone’s all time World XI. He was just half a level below.

All time Indian Great though.
 
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Dhoni is one of my fav Indian players but dont think he will ever feature in anyone’s all time World XI. He was just half a level below.

All time Indian Great though.

He is the first choice wktkeeper in almost ever atg odi team. Many even name him as captain of atg team
 
Borderline ATG in ODIs & T20s. His legacy is overrated & his career stats boosted by his performances in Asia. Outside Asia his record is pretty average even in ODIs & T20s. But his captaincy in T20s & ODIs was top notch which will make him contender for a spot in All Time World XI in ODIs & T20s

in my All Time ODI XI - I will have Dhoni as keeper if playing in Asia & Gilchrist if playing outside Asia
 
Would have been remembered as a greater player had he retired in 2017 after Champions Trophy.
 
ATG cricketer easily. How is this even a question for someone who captained his team to winning the T20 WC, 2011 WC, Champions Trophy, and #1 in Tests.

His captaincy alone is enough to make him an ATG and maybe even GOAT after Ponting.

Purely in terms of actual skill, he might not make a World XI over Gilchrist but if I am playing a World Cup final, he is my second choice wicket keeper bat after Gilly.

He gets downgraded by fans for his performances in the last few years. This will be irrelevant a decade from now, and people will only remember the Dhoni of the late 2000’s and early 2010’s.

And he will be remembered as one of the most prolific captains ever in terms of trophies won. Easy ATG.
 
Comfortably an ATG in ODIs in my opinion.

His batting, captaincy and WK were all at legendary level in the format without much doubt. Won all 3 ICC tournaments, unarguably one of the best finishers game has seen (Except maybe his twilight period) and extraordinary as keeper, a trait which gets overshadowed by other two traits but in my opinion he was one of the best I have seen with his safe hands and quick overall reflexes.
 
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MS Dhoni inspiration behind emergence of keeper-captains in IPL: Jos Buttler

Rajasthan Royals' English recruit Jos Buttler believes the legendary Mahendra Singh Dhoni
is the inspiration behind emergence of wicketkeeper captains in the world's biggest T20 league, the IPL.

In the ongoing IPL, four out of eight franchises will be captained by wicket-keepers and Buttler feels the credit should go to Dhoni for setting the trend. Besides Dhoni, who has been Chennai Super Kings' skipper since the inaugural edition in 2008, three more glovesmen -- KL Rahul (Punjab Kings), Sanju Samson (Rajasthan Royals) and Rishabh Pant (Delhi Capitals) will lead their respective sides in the ongoing IPL.

"I am sure MSD (Dhoni) has something to do with the sixth sense and breeding of wicketkeepers who can captain. He obviously has been a fantastic captain and there are lots of players who want to follow his footsteps," Buttler told PTI Bhasha in an exclusive interview.
Buttler himself a wicketkeeper, feels stumpers enjoy an advantage as captains as they get a 360 degree view of the proceedings.

"I think a wicketkeeper has a brilliant view of the game. That can add to your decision making as you can see first-hand how the wicket is behaving and the way bowlers are bowling," he said.

The 30-year-old Englishman expects Samson to deliver the goods as skipper and termed compatriot Ben Stokes as the X-factor for Rajasthan.

"We have lots of variety in the team this season with some world-class all-rounders like Ben Stokes and Chris Morris and a new captain. Sanju (Samson) is very exciting player and has a long affiliation with the franchise. He is a very calm person and likes to have fun. I am sure he would try and get across that to the team. There will be a lot of passion in his leadership.
"I strongly believe Ben Stokes will be the X-factor for our team in this season," said Buttler, who has played 50 Tests, 148 ODIs and 79 T20 matches for England.

The presence a legend like Kumar Sangakkara as the team's Director of Cricket will be beneficial for RR, said the cricketer.
"He (Sangakkara) is a legend and has so much knowledge to share. He has vast experience of international cricket and has played the IPL too. He knows what to expect and it's a big plus for everyone to have him around," said Buttler.

Buttler, who captained England in the final two ODIs of the three-match series in India recently in the absence of an injured regular skipper Eoin Morgan, said that outing was a valuable learning
experience for him.

"Playing against India in India is always the biggest challenge for England team. I mean playing against the best players and getting used to the conditions.
"Playing against some young Indian players was a great experience. I have enjoyed playing and captaining against India. I have learnt a lot about myself from that experience," he said.

Ever since international cricket resumed, the players have been forced to stay in bio-bubbles to avoid contracting the deadly coronavirus, making it extremely difficult for players to stay fresh and motivated.
With India witnessing an exponential surge in COVID-19 cases, the ongoing IPL is also being held behind closed doors.

"Playing without fans and living continuously in bio-bubbles is difficult. You have to learn to live without the energy that the crowd brings to the stadiums in IPL," Buttler said.
"Pressure and excitement is still there but they are not visible. Certain times you have to raise your energy and intensity, which the crowd used to generate earlier."

Rajasthan Royals will open their IPL campaign against Punjab Kings in Mumbai on Monday.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/ipl/top-stories/ms-dhoni-inspiration-behind-emergence-of-keeper-captains-in-ipl-jos-buttler/articleshow/82014766.cms
 
Based on his captaincy, yes he is.

Having said that, the Indian limited overs team is so much better now that dhoni is gone.
 
Till 2015, he was an ATG. But post that, he played a total of 23 selfish knocks which costed India matches in LOIs. There were a few other knocks where he was about to cost them the match like the Manish Pandey 100 in Australia but fortunately, Pandey was batting so well that day that he played a brilliant knock and won us the game inspite of MSD's awful batting.
 
Actually he is master at building his legacy and ruining it. But his ******* would keep hyping him at every opportunity. He knew when to quit. He just did not want to quit. That definitely hurt his legacy. But ******* will never admit it. There was definitely an aura about him. India was rarely good with large chases until Dhoni came in.
 
He may have played a year too long but that doesn't diminish everything he won & taking India to the top of the tree. Basically kicking off or setting up the modern era of India being at or near the top of all 3 formats consistently.

If I was picking an ATG ODI team I'd have Dhoni keeping & batting down the order & Gilly at the opener. They played very different roles in batting, both astoundingly successfully. But I'd concede that while Gilly was a very good keeper, Dhoni was actually excellent with the gloves.

In Tests he wasn't as influential with the bat- he underperformed slightly overall. At times I wasn't a fan of his Test captaincy- played with a bit of fear & didn't really understand how to get the best from his quicks psychologically by understandign what messages his fields were sending them about his trust in them.
 
There shouldn't even be an argument regarding this. ATG LOI batsman, Keeper, and of course, captain. I've yet to meet a Pakistan cricket fan who does not respect and admire Dhoni. Built up an incredible Indian side and was the perfect person to manage all the dressing room personalities, media pressure, criticism, and he did it all without looking like he was even taking on an ounce of pressure. It was only later that you realize how much pressure he was actually under when you see how his hair started becoming white and the lines on his face got more prominent - but he never gave any of it away. Easily one of the greatest white ball players and captains of all time.
 
A T20 and ODI legend without a doubt.

In test matches he was a poor captain whose captaincy got exposed many times.
 
We cannot judge Dhoni until we acknowledge a basic fact.

That it's comparatively simple to judge batsmen and bowlers. It's much harder to evaluate those who do duty behind the wickets. And has become harder over the years because the criteria for evaluation have changed so much in their case.

Thirty years ago Sunny Gavaskar and Marshall were ATGs, and will remain so going forward. But if the ICC were to rule today that batting effectiveness will be measured by strike rate, and not so much average, will Sunny G still be an ATG batsmen?

That's why, with wicket keepers, it's so much more complicated because our measuring criteria has changed in their case. Thirty years ago, I believe Wriddhiman Saha would have been in a position to be called a great of the game (I'm not saying ATG), basis his pure wicket keeping ability. Today, he barely gets a mention as a possible back up in the Indian team.

Are we Dhoni judging him as a wk/ batsman or a batsman/wk? As a captain as well?

IMO, once you factor all of those criteria, and acknowledge that evaluating a keeper requires a more rigorous but flexible approach, Dhoni does stand out as an ATG of the game. Even his records in Tests when seen in that context, stands up.
 
Revised list:

Smith
Steyn
Sangakkara
Cook
Dhoni
Pietersen
Amla bhai
Clarke
de Villiers
Younis

Honorable Mentions:

Anderson, Johnson, Gayle, Kohli, Asif

Biggest Tragedy:

Bond

Agree Dhoni is ATG player .
 
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