Is Mustafizur Rahman more talented than Mohammad Amir was?

[pacesensation]

Time will tell only

I still remember that before pak vs eng test series. Collingwood was considered the most stable batter in english lineup. But after that series, he finished collingwood's career. He was not the same again and he soon retired.

Only time will tell who is better.

 

[pacesensation]

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] Bwahahahahaha 155kph?!?!?! ) it was 143 kph man, no need to exaggerate

he bowled at 149kph bowl to duminy in last over of t20 wc 2009 semfinal and bowled a few 150-153 bowls. However, I dont know whether he would be that fast now. It will take like 6 to 8 months after his debut to know whether he still got that pace or not

 

[theAfridian]

Mustafizur is very promising but Amir was/is still significantly better.

To say Amir is worse than the young bengali prodigy is like me saying Inzamam is better than Tendulkar.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] Bwahahahahaha 155kph?!?!?! ) it was 143 kph man, no need to exaggerate

What are you contesting ? Speed ? Did I mention that it was an Odi ? I think it was Melbourne or Hobart test and it was yousuf who caught Watson . And Amir crossed 150kph 6 times only in one series of 3 test matches in Australia in 2009 with quickest being 155kph. At age of 17+

 

[JibranAnsari]

I hope he is more talented , cricket needs more fast bowlers.

But I think the comparison is wrong , he could be compared to Muhammad asif though with his cutters and stuff. Amir is a totally different bowler; great pace , swing and bounce. And IMO Asif was a better bowler than amir so its a compliment before BD fans go haywire.

 

[JibranAnsari]

What are you contesting ? Speed ? Did I mention that it was an Odi ? I think it was Melbourne or Hobart test and it was yousuf who caught Watson . And Amir crossed 150kph 6 times only in one series of 3 test matches in Australia in 2009 with quickest being 155kph. At age of 17+

He never bowled 155 as far as i remember. The fastest he bowled was 152.

 

[BD-fan]

Dear Mods: I request this thread be merged with Mustafiz's original thread.

Mustafizur Rahman - slow death from Satkhira (Performance Watch)

 

[Belawal2014]

What are you contesting ? Speed ? Did I mention that it was an Odi ? I think it was Melbourne or Hobart test and it was yousuf who caught Watson . And Amir crossed 150kph 6 times only in one series of 3 test matches in Australia in 2009 with quickest being 155kph. At age of 17+

Well, the description you wrote exactly matches the video i linked. And no I wasn't contesting his speed, rather that specific incident you posted.

 

[Belawal2014]

Dear Mods: I request this thread be merged with Mustafiz's original thread.

Mustafizur Rahman - slow death from Satkhira (Performance Watch)

No, this thread is soon to be legendary. Deserves its own place.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

He never bowled 155 as far as i remember. The fastest he bowled was 152.

If u remember a graph shown by sky sports of amir pace . The fastest was 155kph .
He clocke 150.2 , 151.7 , 152.3 , 153 , 154 and 155kph on that tour in test matches .
On average he was between 87 to 89 on that tour with only effort balls between 90 to 93 mph and very few over 150kph.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Well, the description you wrote exactly matches the video i linked. And no I wasn't contesting his speed, rather that specific incident you posted.

I tried to find out his Hobart test bowling videos but could not find it . With respect to Melbourne test only his wicket package and very few other balls are present in videos.

 

[ddss]

Lol at Smith, It will be fun to watch if he gets back to that level

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Amir who?Mustafizur is a better Left arm pacer than Wasim Akram and Alan Davidson combined.

At least he's better than any quick from the other side of Bengal...who's the best there? Ashok Dinda? Fact, in 80+ years the whole of India would be hard pressed to come up with a pace prospect like Mustafizur.

 

[cricketjoshila]

At least he's better than any quick from the other side of Bengal...who's the best there? Ashok Dinda? Fact, in 80+ years the whole of India would be hard pressed to come up with a pace prospect like Mustafizur.

20 wickets and Mustafizz is a prospect par excellence.Ok.Keep the delusions up.

 

[Mamoon]

I haven't seen him bowl much so cannot comment, but he certainly has surpassed Amir's performance on similar pitches. However, what Amir produced in England in 2010 (beautiful bowling conditions, admittedly) was the ultimate display of skill and talent, and it would be interesting to see how he fares in such conditions, because from what I've seen, read and heard, his off-cutters are the main reason for his success, and they work better on slow and dry surfaces since the ball grips and holds up in the pitch more.

 

[Dios]

^None of his four wickets today were from cutters.

 

[wrong `un]

 

[Sadevdesai]

He sure is equipped to match Amir. Little too early to hoist him on the pedestal. Need few "away" performances to really evaluate him. I am sure he has been reminded of that. Meanwhile, more power to him and BD. they have certainly begun to shake the tree !! How long before he gets dinged and has to pipe it down, remains to be seen.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Its not the man himself but rather the cockiness and arrogance of BD fans that is intolerable. Everytime BD achieve something, some idiot will be there to start comparisons and create hyperbole. Just look at this thread, 3 wickets on debut and people have already started comparing him with Amir who was by far the best in every aspect. Why can't they act maturely and wait for a few more tests matches before comparing him with other past and present players? Minnow mentality on full display from Bangalis, They need to #Growup!

Agreed. I do personally believe that he is more than a one series wonder and a one trick pony. The way he has man-handled De Cock shows that he is mature beyond his years and has a sense of the game.

This is absolutely false . Lol..Why don't u just post his ODI record and compare it with Mustafizur's one.

My friend, check Amir's ODI average, strike rate and compare them to Mustafiz. You will find out that what I have stated is a fact. However, you lost the point that I made somewhere between my sarcasm and your inability to understand my statement.

Have a good day

 

[theariezman]

He looks better and better day by day and whenever he bowls it reminds me of Amir. It was very unfortunate and stupid of him that he landed in such an affair.

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[max100]

it was opened by indian fan

What a silly thread by a Bangali, they just can't keep themselves away from the limelight and make themselves look like fools in the process.

Why would you want to compare a newbie in international cricket to Amir who was far far ahead interms of ability, discipline and sheer talent when it came to bowling. He swung the ball both ways at 145+ kph, who is capable of doing that today? It'll be premature to start comparing him with Rehman who is still finding his feet at international level and his main arsenal for taking wickets are the off cutters, sooner or later batsmen will figure him out and he won't be effective. As someone pointed out he at best can be compared with B.Kumar of 2011-2012 who had both pace and incredible swing at 130-135 Kph plus the slow cutters but with time he has regressed and lost his venom, same will be the case with Muztafizur. But then again Bangalis have the reputation of jumping the gun and making their players look like world beaters because of their minnow mentality and immaturity. They haven't seen or tasted success consistently over longer periods of time until recently and hence the OTT threads, it'll take time for them to evolve and get on par with the rest cricket playing nations.

 

[yadunoe]

this is the biggest joke thread of all time , dont get me wrong the guy is good but come on !

 

[Arsal_AK]

Lol at Smith, It will be fun to watch if he gets back to that level

Look at the movement; especially that delivery to Jhonson. Magical stuff.

 

[Khaseer]

It's his first test, I don't know what half the people on this thread are smoking. Well done to him though.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Mohammed Amir was Mustafizur's Idol, there is a lot that Mustafizur can learn from the Legend.

 

[Pakcricket89]

He never bowled 155 as far as i remember. The fastest he bowled was 152.

Bowled 155 in a test match in Australia, in '09 i clearly remember

 

[Slog]

@Shutdown Corner - Cut it with personal attacks

 

[Shutdown Corner]

@Shutdown Corner - Cut it with personal attacks

So if i say I'm going to win a Nobel Prize this year. And next year someone says I was full of crap, thats a personal attack, right?

CJ said Steyn won't play in BD. Steyn is playing in BD back in April. Therefore it follows CJ was factually incorrect. I called him out for it. Thats a personal attack?

 

[Bilal7]

Obvious troll is obvious.

Amir was praised by legends all around the world and also by batsmen that he played against. Mustazifur Rahman hasn't shown that he is capable of being a future ATG like Amir did.

 

[Bilal7]

Lol at Smith, It will be fun to watch if he gets back to that level

Who gets back at what level? :ahmed

 

[Hawkeye]

Obvious troll is obvious.

Amir was praised by legends all around the world and also by batsmen that he played against. Mustazifur Rahman hasn't shown that he is capable of being a future ATG like Amir did.

Mustafizur deserves to be praised for what he has been doing consistently now, but yes comparison with Amir is stretching it a bit too far.

Yet it remains to be seen if Amir can come back to the level he once was.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Obvious troll is obvious.

Amir was praised by legends all around the world and also by batsmen that he played against. Mustazifur Rahman hasn't shown that he is capable of being a future ATG like Amir did.

He many not be as naturally gifted as Amir, but he's more than holding his own against pretty decent batting lineups on pitches that don't offer much help to seamers. He's clearly the best young prospect at least form the Subcontinent at the moment. He can only be compared to Amir once he's played the same number of Tests.

 

[Captain_Obvious]

So if i say I'm going to win a Nobel Prize this year. And next year someone says I was full of crap, thats a personal attack, right?

CJ said Steyn won't play in BD. Steyn is playing in BD back in April. Therefore it follows CJ was factually incorrect. I called him out for it. Thats a personal attack?

Dont try to act smart.You mocked him personally by calling him a veggie supporter.He kept the arguement confined to cricket.You didn't.

For your knowledge we Indians (or if you prefer to hear Hindus) consume more meat in a month than your country has since its inception

If he doesn't rate Mustafitzgerald highly, its his choice.Now if you don't rate Parthiv Patel, would you like to know from me where Bangladesh would be if Greenland melts today ?

 

[Executioner]

Dont try to act smart.You mocked him personally by calling him a veggie supporter.He kept the arguement confined to cricket.You didn't.

For your knowledge we Indians (or if you prefer to hear Hindus) consume more meat in a month than your country has since its inception

If he doesn't rate Mustafitzgerald highly, its his choice.Now if you don't rate Parthiv Patel, would you like to know from me where Bangladesh would be if Greenland melts today ?

not sure about greenland melting but if parthiv patel dives in the Indian ocean BD will surely be flooded

BTW, I have followed a lot of posts of CJ and he absolutely tries to avoid giving credit to Bangladesh. Whenever we underperform he will have his field day.

 

[justarslan]

Bengali is better right now but Amir will pass every tom, dick and harry on his return and become the best fast bowler in the world.

 

[Imran Hasan]

I haven't seen him bowl much so cannot comment, but he certainly has surpassed Amir's performance on similar pitches. However, what Amir produced in England in 2010 (beautiful bowling conditions, admittedly) was the ultimate display of skill and talent, and it would be interesting to see how he fares in such conditions, because from what I've seen, read and heard, his off-cutters are the main reason for his success, and they work better on slow and dry surfaces since the ball grips and holds up in the pitch more.

Agreed. But in this test Mustafizur hardly used cutter. And he generated good pace. He is trying to increase his speed.

 

[Mamoon]

Agreed. But in this test Mustafizur hardly used cutter. And he generated good pace. He is trying to increase his speed.

Which is good to hear. It is great for Bangladesh cricket to have a pacer who can potentially be world class. I really like Taskin as well, he's pretty raw but he has a lot of ability. Bangladesh should invest in this duo, exciting times ahead.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If mustafizur wants to become a world class bowler then he needs to regularly play county cricket. He will learn a lot there just like zaheer khan did. He was completely different bowler after spening time in england.

 

[RiseOfTheTigers]

When is Amir returning, he is young as well. This is a blockbuster thread already and more to come We might be debating about them for number of years who knows

 

[cricketjoshila]

So if i say I'm going to win a Nobel Prize this year. And next year someone says I was full of crap, thats a personal attack, right?

CJ said Steyn won't play in BD. Steyn is playing in BD back in April. Therefore it follows CJ was factually incorrect. I called him out for it. Thats a personal attack?

Steyn said he wont play.Its on record.So he changed his decision.

You called me out?By caling me and my country names?Talk on facts not on delusions.20 odd wickets in international cricket doesnt make any one a par excellence prospect.

 

[cricketjoshila]

not sure about greenland melting but if parthiv patel dives in the Indian ocean BD will surely be flooded

BTW, I have followed a lot of posts of CJ and he absolutely tries to avoid giving credit to Bangladesh. Whenever we underperform he will have his field day.

I will give credit where i believe its due.I have always praised Shakib and will contnue to do so as he is a proven performer.

But i dont and wont give credit to someone being world class on basis of few matches.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Brother, I won't have to check the stats. I know for a fact that Mustafizur has better bowling record than amir in ODIs.

But then again, there were many bowlers in the past who started their career with a bang but couldn't live up to their potential. Funny thing is that same thing can be said about amir too because he is also considered as a rookie in 50 overs format

In that case, i do not understand your first statement at all.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Steyn said he wont play.Its on record.So he changed his decision.

You called me out?By caling me and my country names?Talk on facts not on delusions.20 odd wickets in international cricket doesnt make any one a par excellence prospect.

No steyn did not change his decision. I told you repeatedly his official twitter feed stated he was playing the Test series. You chose not to believe that because it fit with your narrative of the CSA insulting the BCB by sending an A team since the BCCI did not. So dont blame Dale Steyn.

As for Mustafiz, clearly you do not understand the difference between a "prospect" and an "established" player. A prospect is one who has potential and an established player is one who has generally accepted credentials already. Mustafiz has been widely regarded as a good prospect here at PP. The likes of Yadav and Aaron were once regarded but a) they have largely sucked in both formats of the game and b) at 26-27 years old they aren't young anymore.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Steyn said he wont play.Its on record.So he changed his decision.

You called me out?By caling me and my country names?Talk on facts not on delusions.20 odd wickets in international cricket doesnt make any one a par excellence prospect.

If you disrespect you will be disrespected. What goes around comes around.

 

[Raw deal]

This one season wonder will be found out in coming months. This guy reminds me of Ajantha Mendis who was a sensation for the first few months and faded away after people started playing him more often. Amir is a genuine talent who was unbelievable in swinging the ball in both ways.
Stupid to compare this guy with Amir.

 

[Raw deal]

Both of them r talented and have all the potential to become the greats of the game. But as far as their performance in ODIs are concerned Mustafizur has easily outperformed amir.

You can't get away with bowling back of the hand slow balls. He will be found out very soon. Wait and watch.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If you disrespect you will be disrespected. What goes around comes around.

Respect is earned.It cannot be demanded.

 

[RiseOfTheTigers]

You can't get away with bowling back of the hand slow balls. He will be found out very soon. Wait and watch.

Back of the hand slow balls?? Have you ever watched him play ever?

 

[Saqs]

You can't get away with bowling back of the hand slow balls. He will be found out very soon. Wait and watch.

Lol. Clearly haven't seen him bowl.

 

[HARKS]

We have seen alot of bowlers who start with a bang and suddnely disappears ,i can give lot of examples fot that like ifran pathan ,mendis ,amit mishra ,sami and i can keep going first let rahman be come out of bangladesh and starts bowl not even outside subcontinent but bowl in india , srilanka

 

[Raw deal]

Back of the hand slow balls?? Have you ever watched him play ever?

I have seen him bowl. He relies heavily on his variations. Back of the hand or some spin stuff he bowls which looks like chucking at times outfoxes batsmen.

 

[Raw deal]

Lol. Clearly haven't seen him bowl.

I haven't seen the swing or seam movement which is what you need to survive as a fast bowler.

 

[Shaan]

This one season wonder will be found out in coming months. This guy reminds me of Ajantha Mendis who was a sensation for the first few months and faded away after people started playing him more often. Amir is a genuine talent who was unbelievable in swinging the ball in both ways.
Stupid to compare this guy with Amir.

really, now give me a break !! in your logic then AAmir was not a great bowler too he could have been found out too? how many years Aamir has he played cricket? Yes bowler would be found out but it up to a bowler how he can counter fight against the odds he will face through his career, a great bowler will fight back. It is too early for Aamir or Mustafizur too judge who is great, Aamir is great of his own so do Mustafizur of his own. So far Mustafizur's stats are having upper hand., but that doesn't makes him great but make him a up coming sensation like Aamir, tha's all.

do you watched Mustafizur bowling or making comment of just based on comments here? Mendis was not a fast bowler Mustafizur is who bowl 13-143 range with smooth actin with great accuracy with great control. He is young 19 yrs old he will get more pace and variations, so lets the batsman try to figure him out.

By the way Mustafiz says hello to: Rohit Sharma, Amla, De veliires, Dhoni, Raina, Afridi, De coq whom seems bit bunny of mustafizur.

 

[Shaan]

I have seen him bowl. He relies heavily on his variations. Back of the hand or some spin stuff he bowls which looks like chucking at times outfoxes batsmen.

chucking when did you came up with this? his action is as pure as Wasim Akram or Aamir. Anyway the dissmisal of Amla was a slight movement from mustafiz, in fact his three deliveries in this test he took wickets were without cutters, so he does know how to swing or move the balls depend on the ptich and condition, by the way same pitch what is steyn doing?
remember Hafeez LBW in T20 it was outswinger yorker ball. He knows how to swing but not the big swings yet, He is working on swings for sure but one step at a time.

 

[Raw deal]

chucking when did you came up with this? his action is as pure as Wasim Akram or Aamir. Anyway the dissmisal of Amla was a slight movement from mustafiz, in fact his three deliveries in this test he took wickets were without cutters, so he does know how to swing or move the balls depend on the ptich and condition, by the way same pitch what is steyn doing?
remember Hafeez LBW in T20 it was outswinger yorker ball. He knows how to swing but not the big swings yet, He is working on swings for sure but one step at a time.

So, you agree he doesn't swing it like Amir..!!. Mustafiz is a good talent but to compare him with Amir is ridiculous.. Because Amir was unbelievable swinging it in both ways. Let Mustafiz do it once. You judge a bowler based on the swing, seam, pace etc. Not based on slower variations.

 

[Enforcer]

Currently, Mustafizur is better than Amir . Case closed. He took the Wicket of one of the best batsman in the world, bhai on super flat pitch. That shows his talent.

 

[Executioner]

How are you expecting Mustafizur to swing the ball in these conditions? The SA pacers today, even the like of Steyn and Philander who can swing the ball more than Amir and even they didn't get much swing from the wicket.

Mustafizur relies on bowling a very dangerous line and length and the ball just zips through the batsman. Also comparing him with Mendis is ridiculous. He is not a spinner. Spinner's variation can be figured out and handled given that the deliveries come slow and you have time to adjust.

Ask any batsman in the world, facing a bowler who is capable of bowling 140 is steaming in and his arm action is not really distinguishable, you can't exactly figure out the slower one so easily. Some of you need to actually watch his entire bowling spell to understand why he is so lethal, not because of his cutters only but because he bowls at a good line and length that will trouble even the best of batsman in the world.

 

[Shaan]

To me Aamir was a sensation, same with Mustafiz who is sensation too for me and others, they both are different in their own ability but promising. Anyone can come out with comparison cause people see Mustafizur is kinda prodigy and promising rising star like Aamir started his career, but future is something we cannot predicts, but so far so good for Mustafizur. So I don't see anything rediculous when mustafizur made record debut with strong batting line up like India, and now south Africa which people said after first encounter of India Mustafizur will be figured out in second and then third, and then saffres will kill him and still he is choking all of them, that is quite something special, Now you and me agree or not he is getting the wickets with his deliveries which doesn't mattre swingning or not batsman know whats is happening there.

 

[Executioner]

I have seen him bowl. He relies heavily on his variations. Back of the hand or some spin stuff he bowls which looks like chucking at times outfoxes batsmen.

First of all, from the current stock of bowlers from BD, only one who bowls back of the hand slower ball is Taskin. Mustafizur uses his wrist on the point of delivery to deliver the slower ball.

And no he doesn't chuck with the cutter, his bowling action looks absolutely same with the cutter and the seam up delivery

 

[Saqs]

Currently, Mustafizur is better than Amir . Case closed. He took the Wicket of one of the best batsman in the world, bhai on super flat pitch. That shows his talent.

Lol. Not sure if serious.

 

[Ryankhan]

You must be crazy to even ask that. he is just playing on his home grounds and performing there only. let him play and perform in ENG-AUS and then you ask this...amir was way more talented

 

[srh]

Both are young left hand seamers but different in bowling styles. Amir was more quicker where as Mustazifur relies on impeccable line and length, deceptive change of pace.
Mustazifur had a fantastic start to his career. 5fer on debut, 6fer on next game, troubled SA in ODIs and now almost an hatrick in debut test. With an impressive avg of 12 in ODIs, he is one bowler to watch out for. And at this stage in terms of stats he is way ahead than Amir. Please note I know the sample size is small, so I am not going much into stats.
But in terms of sheer talent, do you think Mustafizur Rehman is simply more skillful and talented than Amir??

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Looks like Mustazifur Rahman is more talented than Mohammed Amir was.

 

[Enforcer]

Lol. Not sure if serious.

If You can compare Steve smith's Batting to that of Chris martin, then I too can claim that Mustafizur is better than Amir. . And yes I am serous.

 

[Saqs]

If You can compare Steve smith's Batting to that of Chris martin, then I too can claim that Mustafizur is better than Amir. . And yes I am serous.

At the time of writing he wasn't far off!

 

[Enforcer]

At the time of writing he wasn't far off!

similarly, the way mustafizur has performed so far, there is no reason why Shouldn't I rate him more than Amir. He is taking bulk of wickets against world top sides across all format, on some flat Pitches. How mustafizur will fare in future is a separate thing. But as of now, he is better than Amir.

Just like Smith's batting was on par with that of chrish martin few years back.

 

[Saqs]

similarly, the way mustafizur has performed so far, there is no reason why Shouldn't I rate him more than Amir. He is taking bulk of wickets against world top sides across all format, on some flat Pitches. How mustafizur will fare in future is a separate thing. But as of now, he is better than Amir.

Just like Smith's batting was on par with that of chrish martin few years back.

Lol. I'd hope for your sake though that your prediction doesn't backfire as massively as mine did.

 

[Enforcer]

Lol. I'd hope for your sake though that your prediction doesn't backfire as massively as mine did.

I haven't created this thread and neither going to create a thread lauding Mustafizur. so even if my predictions goes wrong, no one is going to attack me. But your case was a special one. Stuff of legends!

 

[Wassixpakistani]

You think Mustafiz is good now?

Just wait until the

"Umar Akmal vs Mustafiz comparison thread"

Oh , I see what you did there .. A strong reason why I lol every time I read my sig .

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Respect is earned.It cannot be demanded.

Agreed. And with your continuous condescending, snide, and petulant remarks I have merely returned the favor. Seems fair to me.

Lets also make a clear distinction. I am not demanding or even asking for your respect. I would have to value your opinion first in order to do that. What I am doing is merely giving you the eye for an eye treatment. I know I'm not going to change your opinion, and that is not my intent. I wish only to be an intractable thorn in your side. Ton burn you the same way Bangladesh's cricketing success burns you, much as you deny it. It irks you to see Bangladesh play Test/ODI/top level cricket, let alone have the audacity to occaisionally beat your India. I know you have been waiting the past few months for some team to humiliate Bangladesh. And that is OK...that particular feeling is mutual. Bangladesh will lose and lose badly in the future, so you will have your day to gloat. And I'll be here to shut you down. But so will India. You should know that your vitriol towards Bangladesh plays right into our hands. We appreciate your misery at the expense of our growing successes. You have probably been prejudiced for a long time - we all are in some way shape or form. The good amongst us will be shamed into realizing the folly of our egos and make amends accordingly. That does not seem like your current philosophy.

So if you concede and accept Bangladesh seem to be rising from minnow status and seem to be turning into a serious cricket team on par with the established 8 Test nations, I'll let you off the hook. Or if you concede that Indian fans, least of all, should ridicule Bangladesh because your team owns the worst win-loss ratio of all time amongst the 8 established Test sides, I'll let you off the hook. Until then, carry on.

 

[Mainul]

I have not sworn in my post and not insulted anyone. I used this as an example to explain my point.

You are calling me an animal which is a personal insult. If women wish to spend time with me then that doesn't make me an animal.

Stay on topic and we are discussing Mustazifur who has achieved nothing yet being talked about being better then Amir Pakistani bowlers are superior to anything in South Asia. Our bowlers are on a par with Australia and South Africa and have been for decades.

The only thing other South Asian teams are good at producing are FTBs. Ashwin is probably the leading bowler between India and BD and he averages above 30 in ODI and Tests. Shakib has achieved his stats through playing other minnows all his career.

It is not about insulting anybody, it is about creating nuisance in a forum where there are Muslims mostly and where cricket is the sole topic to be discussed on.In some western countries nudist group says like this. They claim that they haven't insulted anybody by taking their own clothes off. If people here does the same like them will it be acceptable?


There is not any scarcity of giving example other than you gave ! I believe that you have enough wisdom to find out those.

If anybody request help from me in doing corruption to become rich and i have that power to help him or her, should i do it? It will not prove me manly or humble if i respond to an illegal request from a girl.

I hadn't intention to insult you by calling you an animal. But it was an animal instinct indeed.

I apologize if i have insulted you,but i did what i think i should have done.Sorry i have lost my interest to discuss on cricket with you

 

[Indian_Supporter]

Mustafizur seems ahead as of now

 

[Executioner]

Mustafizur seems ahead as of now

shh, some people will bring up the fact that Mustafiz went wicketless in the first ODI vs Zim, without even watching the match. Actually, mustafiz was so good that zimbabwe batsman were not even good enough to put bat on ball

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Most talented left arm seamer I've seen. Forget about that fixer even Wasim Bhai doesn't come close

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

This Mustafiz is turning into a sensation.

First class average of 18 (15 matches).
List A average of 12 (13 matches).

Test average of 14 (2 matches).
ODI average of 13 (8 matches).

Sure...its early days BUT

 

[90MPH]

Let's see what this kid does in Tests, then judge.

One day cricket is alone is not the best way to judge a bowler.

If he can setup a batsman in the longer format then we can talk.

 

[Dios]

Let's see what this kid does in Tests, then judge.

One day cricket is alone is not the best way to judge a bowler.

If he can setup a batsman in the longer format then we can talk.

Only Test he played he ran through the middle-order of the best team in the world.

 

[ethan hunt]

the appreciation amir got from peers and pundits was unprecedented , people like shane warne and ricky ponting were singing praises , not sure mustafizur is at that level yet .

 

[Dios]

There is no doubt Mustafizur is better than Amir ever was. Amir could bowl a few sensational deliveries/short spells here and there. And he was helped tremendously by English and NZ conditions/ Mustafizur is way more consistent than that and he is doing it on flat tracks. Can't wait for Amir to return so that doodh ka doodh aur paani ka paani ho jaye.

Mustafizur is also more talented than any pacer India has ever produced in their 100+ years of cricket.

 

[Dios]

the appreciation amir got from peers and pundits was unprecedented , people like shane warne and ricky ponting were singing praises , not sure mustafizur is at that level yet .

That's because Amir got a chance to play against England and Australia in his short career. English and Aussie pundits are ignorant and cricket doesn't exist for them outside of the Ashes or when they are not playing. They probably haven't yet heard of Mustafizur. That's how ignorant they are. When Bangladesh toured England in 2010, English pundits and media were going gaga over Tamim Iqbal. That was the first time they heard of him even though he made his debut in 2006. Nasser Hussain said Tamim Iqbal is better than the whole Pakistan team: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...tter-than-the-whole-Pakistan-team-quot-Merged

If you hold opinions of international pundits so highly then you must agree with Nasser Hussain as well.

 

[ethan hunt]

That's because Amir got a chance to play against England and Australia in his short career. English and Aussie pundits are ignorant and cricket doesn't exist for them outside of the Ashes or when they are not playing. They probably haven't yet heard of Mustafizur. That's how ignorant they are. When Bangladesh toured England in 2010, English pundits and media were going gaga over Tamim Iqbal. That was the first time they heard of him even though he made his debut in 2006. Nasser Hussain said Tamim Iqbal is better than the whole Pakistan team: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...tter-than-the-whole-Pakistan-team-quot-Merged

If you hold opinions of international pundits so highly then you must agree with Nasser Hussain as well.

Not talking about pundits only even his peers , never heard opposition players like ponting , harbhajjan and shane watson rate anyone like that , that sort of admiration is unheard of . Nasser is a good one , pretty sure tamim batted better than most pakistani batsmen on the tour so got no issues with that although Pakistan won two tests on that trip .
If he gets international attention and performs well than good on him but as of now not really.