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Is Mustafizur Rahman more talented than Mohammad Amir was?

Gujrat will show Fizz, who is the boss :) Jadeja & Bmac will smash him out of the park today...
 
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imteaz said:
Gujrat will show Fizz, who is the boss :) Jadeja & Bmac will smash him out of the park today...
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Your persistence is admirable. Match after match you want him to fail and your words come back to haunt you. Well keep it up. A good bowler, regardless of the nationality is a treat to watch, here we have people who actually want a good bowler to fail. Bravo.
 
imteaz said:
Gujrat will show Fizz, who is the boss :) Jadeja & Bmac will smash him out of the park today...
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The mere fact that Gujrat is from Gujrat and other one...well... you know from where makes Gujrat the superior bowler, batter and athlete.

No need for these petty comparisons bro..
 
Syed1 said:
Nobody is showing hate towards Mustafizur. PP'ers are just perturbed that folks like you and Prince_ are putting down Amir just to big up your bowler. Amir and Mustafizur can both be good or bad and it has no bearing on the other bowler. Each's success is not linked to the other.

There is a reason why everybody wants BD to lose, not because of the team or the players but because of their fans who claim they are the best Asia after winning a couple of series at home after decades of losing left, right and center.
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Bangladesh never even used to win series at before, arrival of Mustafiz changed the face of Bangladesh cricket. You taking pot shots and even making fun of his name before is quite pathetic. I liked Amir before and still admire him but because of your hatred I trolled a little. :butt

Prince is the second best poster in PP after street fighter. Respect brother Prince :kohli
 
I can understand the debate between Amir and Fizz,

But there is nothing more hilarious than seeing the patience of some posters here who are expecting Fizz to fail. They have been waiting for atleast 12 months in deep hope that they will find a string of performances where they can say: "haha, Mustafizur failed, he is getting annihilated". The fact that this kid has played 12 months of cricket and the only odd occassion he failed was against India in the Asia Cup, his comeback match after an injury(not that i am putting that as an excuse, he could have bowled better).

These threads tell you exactly why there aren't too many quality cricketers in the world right now. Fact is, there is a good lot of quality players but some people here paint a ridiculously high standard where everyone is bound to fail sometime when a random poster will come and say: "He couldn't do this, he defines mediocrity". Sometimes you need to appreciate young talent. I honestly never liked Rohit Sharma in the first place but when he performed consistently(in shorter formats) i stopped wanting him to fail and simply enjoyed his knocks. Its much easier.
 
Mustafizur is ahead of Amir in limited overs ath it could change in a year or soo but mustafizur is ahead for now. Don't understand why this thread is being bumped sooo much :))
 
Another bad day for the haters :yk

He's by far the best bowler in this year's ipl till now.

Without fizz hyderabad is almost nothing. What a bowler. Wow
 
Mohammad Aamir was yet again excellent on a dead track today. The Balochis struggled to cope with his extra pace and bounce.

Someone like Gul and Junaid would have kept bowling short of length becoming predictable.
 
Prince_ said:
Another bad day for the haters :yk

He's by far the best bowler in this year's ipl till now.

Without fizz hyderabad is almost nothing. What a bowler. Wow
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Are you Bengali first or Indian first?
 
Prince_ said:
Good observation. Although I think fizz can actually become a good test bowler too. He did pretty well in the only 2 test matches he has played so far.

I m not concerned about his performance. The only thing I m concerned about is his fitness.

I personally believe he shouldn't play tests. These days it's quite difficult for a player especially for a fast bowler to continuously play in all three formats.
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I hope that he does well in tests as well but i dont expect him to.
 
Forget the batsmen, even the fielders seem to be having problems reading him. Four boundaries in two games, all being mis-fields :))
 
If Mustafiz is to achieve anything respectful for long-term, he has to take 200+ Test wickets at least & that too at a good stats with few 5/10 fers. How many recalls Toni Dodamaide, Nathan Braken, Anthony Grey, Gary Gilmore, Ajit Agarker these days?

But, I think, he 'll trouble lots of batsmen in Test - partially for his novelty, skills, but, mainly because of the standard of batting technique (& temperament) these days. Unless, he is attacked, might struggle to penetrate solid defense. But, I don't think, there is anyone capable these days to concede 6 maidens from Ambrose's 1st 6 overs & then carry the bat for 153* in 10 hours on a cracked Headingley wicket, or bat with last 5 wickets for an entire day, to chase 300+ against those Aussies on a Bridgetown Day 5 wicket. That's not what ICC wants batsmen to do these days - we are happy with mastering 4+ Test RR on belters in 60 metre grounds.
 
MMHS said:
If Mustafiz is to achieve anything respectful for long-term, he has to take 200+ Test wickets at least & that too at a good stats with few 5/10 fers. How many recalls Toni Dodamaide, Nathan Braken, Anthony Grey, Gary Gilmore, Ajit Agarker these days?

But, I think, he 'll trouble lots of batsmen in Test - partially for his novelty, skills, but, mainly because of the standard of batting technique (& temperament) these days. Unless, he is attacked, might struggle to penetrate solid defense. But, I don't think, there is anyone capable these days to concede 6 maidens from Ambrose's 1st 6 overs & then carry the bat for 153* in 10 hours on a cracked Headingley wicket, or bat with last 5 wickets for an entire day, to chase 300+ against those Aussies on a Bridgetown Day 5 wicket. That's not what ICC wants batsmen to do these days - we are happy with mastering 4+ Test RR on belters in 60 metre grounds.
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He always bowls with a scrambled seam. If there's one improvement, I haven't seen him presenting the straight seam position often. I think he would need to do that more often to be successful in tests where the onus is on the bowler to attack the batsman more.



P.S.: Btw who are the batsmen you have described in your post?
 
They are not comparable. Amir is a fast bowler. Mustafiz is more like a faster spinner. Its useless to compare fast bowlers and spinners. They are both great in their own way
 
The Last Of The Stars said:
Amir: 4-0-19-2
Mustafizur: 4-0-19-1

Hence, Amir > Mustafizur, today.
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Only problem is amir bowled against batsman like babar, Shahid and Umar akmal :))) while fizz bowled against world class t20 batsman like Finch, Mcculam, Raina and Bravo.

Looks like once again fizz has won the battle without even breaking a sweat. :yk
 
[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION] [MENTION=133726]GoUgandaCranes[/MENTION]

How many bowlers in world cricket would have risked bowling a third bouncer in an over when he had exhausted the option of 2 for an over ?

Batsman wasn't expecting another one and he bowled a 3rd one which would have been a no ball had it been above the shoulder height. It was slightly beneath shoulder height marginally not being a no ball and he got a wicket on it.


This is for you the courage aswell as bowling intelligence of the man.


Unique.
 
street cricketer said:
He always bowls with a scrambled seam. If there's one improvement, I haven't seen him presenting the straight seam position often. I think he would need to do that more often to be successful in tests where the onus is on the bowler to attack the batsman more.



P.S.: Btw who are the batsmen you have described in your post?
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The 2 best innings I have ever seen - Gooch at Leeds & Lara at Bridgetown. The way batting technique is deteriorating, on those tracks, against those attack hardly any team 'll match their individual scores.
 
Prince_ said:
Only problem is amir bowled against batsman like babar, Shahid and Umar akmal :))) while fizz bowled against world class t20 batsman like Finch, Mcculam, Raina and Bravo.

Looks like once again fizz has won the battle without even breaking a sweat. :yk
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Mustafizur bowled to the following batsman:

1. McCullum 5 balls
2. Suresh Raina 6 balls
3. Jadeja 7 balls
4. Nath 6 balls

Did not bowl a single ball to Finch or Bravo. Once again another BD poster caught shooting from the hip. Seems like it is a national trait. :yk :)))
 
Syed1 said:
Mustafizur bowled to the following batsman:

1. McCullum 5 balls
2. Suresh Raina 6 balls
3. Jadeja 7 balls
4. Nath 6 balls

Did not bowl a single ball to Finch or Bravo. Once again another BD poster caught shooting from the hip. Seems like it is a national trait. :yk :)))
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Perhaps even amir didn't bowl a single ball against the Pakistani batsmen I've mentioned in my post. As usual u've totally missed the point. :yk2

That post was made to indicate the vast difference between the quality of the batsman between these two teams. Try to understand the context of the post :yk

But I won't blame u though. After getting owned several times in this thread u have become desperate now.

If fizz had bowled against the type of batsman amir bowled today he surely would've taken 5 wickets in his 4 overs. Umar akmal and Shahid :)))
 
Who said his job is take wickets for his IPL team? He bowls at the death where he is very miser.

His role for Bangladesh team and SRH team is different.

Regardless he did his job. In the last 5 overs he bowled at the death he gave away 27 runs. True other bowlers are getting the wicket but it's because they too have bowled well and got good support from fizz.

Teams know they have to go berserk in the middle overs because fizz is difficult to play which is why the batsman have to take risks against other bowlers. In cricket there is a saying that your best bowler don't always take wickets. Opposition focuses too much on playing out the better bowler hence become restless against the others, not to mention with limited focus.
 
Btw Bravo has an average of 27 in T20Is and an economy rate of 8.44. Mustafizur has an er of <6
 
I really hope this thread doesn't become the bowling version of Umar Akmal v Virat Kohli thread.

Where Pak fans got overconfident early and then few years later it took a turn for the worse.

Few signs are there already... Amir was hyped for t20s before playing them, and he got outdone by Fizzler.

Probably won't happen in tests, but I suggest Pak bros lay low till England series, and then strike :iqasim
 
Also I feel like Mustafizur might go down the route of Ajantha Mendis. He has got a similar start to his career where he is consistently outfoxing batsmen because he is a threat they have not dealt with before.

But I feel after another year or so his footage will be everywhere and plans will be made for him.

Then the real test will start for him.

Still, he's been world class so far in t20s, let's see if he continues.

So on topic that is 1 format where he leads Amir in, in ODIs they are equal but Mustafiz ATM has an edge.

In tests let's see what happens.
 
Syed1 said:
Pehlay IPL mein tou wicketien leh lo betaa.. :yk

His own teammate, Bhuveshnwar, in that very match got 4 wickets and poor old Fizzu managed only 1..


Awww so Fizzu is only good for containing runs. No wonder some poster compared him to Bravo.
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Bhuvi got those wickets because he had the privilege of bowling alongside the best t20 bowler in the world.


These days batsman are so scared of fizz that they just want to survive against him. :uakmal


Similar thing happened again in yesterday's match too. The opposition batsmen knew that they wouldn't be able to score runs against fizz in last few overs.



That's why they took unnecessary risk against Bhuvi and rewarded him with their wickets. :yk2



It all happened due to the presence of fizz in the team. If it were any other bowler in place of fizz than Bhuvi wouldn't have got those wickets. :srini
 
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Mustafiz must bowl atleast 3-4 seam up deliveries every over. Otherwise he will lose pace and will lose his efficacy in Odis & Tests.

This happened with Lance Klusener. He was a 145kph bowler who over did slower ball and got addicted to it and lost 20 kph speed.


But Mustafiz is a world class limited overs bowler. He bowls 142kph yorker and 120kph slower ball with the same action and is mighty difficult to pick by even the best in the business. And even in his cutters he has 2,3 speed variations very hard to pick.


He should bulk up and in Fc cricket he should not bowl any cutter if he wants to develop his Seam Up skill.
 
Suleiman said:
Also I feel like Mustafizur might go down the route of Ajantha Mendis. He has got a similar start to his career where he is consistently outfoxing batsmen because he is a threat they have not dealt with before.

But I feel after another year or so his footage will be everywhere and plans will be made for him.

Then the real test will start for him.

Still, he's been world class so far in t20s, let's see if he continues.

So on topic that is 1 format where he leads Amir in, in ODIs they are equal but Mustafiz ATM has an edge.

In tests let's see what happens.
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How are they equal in ODIs? What has Amir done in ODIs? Mustafiz single-handedly won a series against India.
 
Prince_ said:
Only problem is amir bowled against batsman like babar, Shahid and Umar akmal :))) while fizz bowled against world class t20 batsman like Finch, Mcculam, Raina and Bravo.

Looks like once again fizz has won the battle without even breaking a sweat. :yk
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Amir recently dismissed Raina nd Baz within 6 balls

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Deewana said:
ODI Amir > Musta

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This comparison doesn't make any sense. Amir is better than fizz based on what? Lol

Amir has played over 15 Odis still he hasn't been been able to take a single 5 wicket haul whereas fizz has already done it three times.


Amir <<<<<<<<<< Fizz :yk
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION] [MENTION=133726]GoUgandaCranes[/MENTION]

How many bowlers in world cricket would have risked bowling a third bouncer in an over when he had exhausted the option of 2 for an over ?

Batsman wasn't expecting another one and he bowled a 3rd one which would have been a no ball had it been above the shoulder height. It was slightly beneath shoulder height marginally not being a no ball and he got a wicket on it.


This is for you the courage aswell as bowling intelligence of the man.


Unique.
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Well Amir has that capability but for him the real question mark is bowling yorkers consistently and at right length...Look at Strac, who has mastered yorkers better than anybody else, that's why he is the best LOI bowler in the world by mile...Amir really has to step up his death game, that really is all about yorkers no matter what era or format you talk about...

If he had mastered yorkers, we would not have had this thread opened for long...Five years ago he had this Deficiency, Gul in 2009 WC was bowling much much better yorkers then Amir, and at lower pace... Today Strac is much better than him in yorkers... He just cannot ignore that aspect of the game, he cannot be top LOI bowler without mastering yorker... His effectiveness will be half without that skill
 
Good to see that the Fizz is being recognised by all. I think everyone should appreciate the best no matter where he came from. We Bangladeshis always love Aamir because he's a champion. We love Kohli and recognise him as the best even though his attitude is not worth praising.
Fizz is the second world class produce of us after Shakib. If you look at his stats, his opponents, consistency he is simple second to none.
 
Lurker_Ind said:
Just bowled a maiden. Awesome bowler even on flat tracks. He will only improve.
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He is a special, scpecial talent, the more I see him, the more I am impressed. At his age the thinking, the setting up and the delivery is something else
 
If Mustafizur is not the real thing, I don't know who is.

Absolutely monstrously talented and on top of that, a great mind to go with it.

His international cricket has been a privilege to watch so far. Hope he proves himself everywhere.
 
Now this discussion is getting serious. Amir wins it but this guy is becoming special


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Both bowling beautifully ATM. Islamabad has lost 4 wickets and all 4 taken by Amir. Mustafizur doing really well against Kings 11. Bowled a wicket maiden
 
Sidhu said on Hindi commentary that according to Waqar, Mustafiz is the best bowler in the IPL. And Sidhu himself just said Fizz reminds him of Wasim Akram.
 
I don't want to rub it in or have a discussion or a comparison with anyone. But this kid Fizz is special. He is the greatest ever cricketer Bangladesh has produced and hopefully he will win Bangladesh a lot of matches.
 
Dios said:
I don't want to rub it in or have a discussion or a comparison with anyone. But this kid Fizz is special. He is the greatest ever cricketer Bangladesh has produced and hopefully he will win Bangladesh a lot of matches.
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Cricket is a team sport, very rarely one single cricketer will win you a match completely on his own. The bowlers around Rahman in the BD set-up do not inspire alot of confidence.
 
Dios said:
Sidhu said on Hindi commentary that according to Waqar, Mustafiz is the best bowler in the IPL. And Sidhu himself just said Fizz reminds him of Wasim Akram.
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Remind me again, who is the Fizz's competition in the IPL? Genuine Question.
 
Both are highly talented, yet different. If I had to choose, I'd choose Fizz for limited overs and Amir for tests. One thing Amir has distinct advantage over Fizz is due to his pace and swing, but Fizz seems to beat Amir in everything else. Both have excellent yorkers, but it seems Amir edges him on that – again, due to his pace.
 
Syed1 said:
Cricket is a team sport, very rarely one single cricketer will win you a match completely on his own. The bowlers around Rahman in the BD set-up do not inspire alot of confidence.
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I believe Taskin can turn out to be a very good bowler in his own right. Also you just need one world-class bowler and two or three good to decent bowlers to have a good bowling unit.
 
Dios said:
I believe Taskin can turn out to be a very good bowler in his own right. Also you just need one world-class bowler and two or three good to decent bowlers to have a good bowling unit.
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Add Jubair Rahman too. He already can give better googly than Yasir Shah. Aged only around 20/21 :)
 
Thought Mustafizur fans were reasonable for the most part, but now they are taking it too far with the comparisons to Wasim.

It's like saying Babar Azam reminds us of Sachin Tendulkar... it is way too early to make such comparisons and tbh a little insulting.

Would retaliate by comparing Amir to a Bangla ATG, but those don't exist apparently LOL
 
Suleiman said:
Thought Mustafizur fans were reasonable for the most part, but now they are taking it too far with the comparisons to Wasim.

It's like saying Babar Azam reminds us of Sachin Tendulkar... it is way too early to make such comparisons and tbh a little insulting.

Would retaliate by comparing Amir to a Bangla ATG, but those don't exist apparently LOL
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It was Sidhu who made that comparison. Tweet to him if you feel so offended.
 
This is no longer a fair comparison now. Musta has comfortably left Amir way behind as he can perform on any kind of tracks unlike latter who is so dependent on the conditions.
 
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Suleiman said:
Thought Mustafizur fans were reasonable for the most part, but now they are taking it too far with the comparisons to Wasim.

It's like saying Babar Azam reminds us of Sachin Tendulkar... it is way too early to make such comparisons and tbh a little insulting.

Would retaliate by comparing Amir to a Bangla ATG, but those don't exist apparently LOL
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Navjot Singh Sidhu said it, good job trying to point fingers at Bangladesh Fans for everything, whats next? waiting for Amir getting banned for spot fixing due to Bangladesh fans involvement statements
 
but amir got 4 key wickets, so amir is winner for me today, even though fizz was amazing too
 
This thread seems to be the most popular thread here, nowadays. but it does not matter who is ahead in the start... what matters is consistent performance. Amir had just started to impress at the top level, when he got banned. Mustafizur has just started. A good start is just that... a good start & nothing more. It does not mean that the player will out perform all others, who did not have a similar start. For example Shane Warne had a poor start to his test Career first 2 tests, he got just 1 wicket.
Mustafizur may have a great career, he could become an all time great. But lets wait before he takes 100 or 200 wickets. I mean Junaid Khan was doing very well, before getting injured and becoming mediocre....
 
Safe to say that Fizz is better than Amir in ODI too.

Amir was not this unplayable when he was playing during his debut.
 
Sidhu has a history of trolling BD for a while now. They hate him over there for a reason. This is his newest attempt at another troll. Fizz was very good in this game though
 
Dios said:
Sidhu said on Hindi commentary that according to Waqar, Mustafiz is the best bowler in the IPL. And Sidhu himself just said Fizz reminds him of Wasim Akram.
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Lol fizz by no means resembles Wasim..he doesn't usually bowl the new ball which was wasims biggest ability... He is more of a Sohail Tanvir like bowler...if anyone resembles Wasim it's amir..ask wasim

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Amir got 4 wickets and Fizz got 2 wickets, It just shows who is the best bowler. LOL @ ppl who think Fizz is better.
 
Dios said:
I don't want to rub it in or have a discussion or a comparison with anyone. But this kid Fizz is special. He is the greatest ever cricketer Bangladesh has produced and hopefully he will win Bangladesh a lot of matches.
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I still think Shakib could turn out to be your greatest player. He is a proper allrounder and still very young.

He just needs to sort his attitude out.
 
5-fer for Amir I think. Or was it 4?

The best thing? THEY WERE TOP ORDER wickets... he took out the best bats.
 
Deewana said:
Lol fizz by no means resembles Wasim..he doesn't usually bowl the new ball which was wasims biggest ability... He is more of a Sohail Tanvir like bowler...if anyone resembles Wasim it's amir..ask wasim

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Nope u r wrong. Wasim was much more lethal with the older ball than he was with the newer one as he was one of the very few bowlers who could swing the old ball.


Yes reverse swing isn't Fizz's area of expertise. But like wasim fizz also has a fast arm bowling action. Due to his extremely fast arm speed most batters find it really difficult to spot his slower deliveries.
 
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