Is Pahalgam attack another false flag operation to accomplish nefarious designs by Indian regime or a retort for misadventures in Balochistan?

[emranabbas]

Great spot @emranabbas... obviously we may get to see more....because it's godi media

Indian media’s big blunder: Couple declared dead in Pahalgam attack found alive

Indian media's big blunder: Couple declared dead in Pahalgam attack found alive - Daily Times

Indian media has come under fire after falsely declaring a couple dead in the recent Pahalgam attack. The couple, wrongly identified as victims, appeared alive on social media and exposed the misinformation with a video statement. This mistake has raised serious concerns about media credibility...

dailytimes.com.pk

 

[emranabbas]

Posted by brother @m.shah in another thread


This is The Complete list of Persons who lost their lives in Pahalgam Terror Attack,which has been on India TV News*.
*1-Mohammed Asif UP.*
*2 - Anis Qureshi UP.*
*3 -Faisal Khan Delhi* .
*4 -Salim Baig Rajasthan*.
*5 - Anil Roy Bihar*
*6.Ramesh Yadav UP*.
*7 Pradeep Mishra UP*
*8 - Arif Qureshi UP*.
*9 -Praveen Thakur *Haryana*.
*10 - Jameel Ahmed Punjab*
*11 - Suresh Kumar Delhi*.
*12 - Mohsin Shaikh Maharashtra*.
*13 -Afzal Ansari Bihar*
*14- Manju Sharma* *Rajasthan*.
*15- Deepak Varma UP*.
*16 - Nazim Khan UP*.
*17 - Sunil Gupta Bihar*
*18- Aslam Mirza Gujarat*
*19 - Rakesh Yadav MP*.
*20-Sharif Shaikh Maharashtra*.
*21- Shahid Hussain Delhi* .
*22-Riyaz Ahmed Jammu* .
*23 - Meenaxi Tripathi UP*.
*24 - Salim Khan UP* .
*25 - Neeraj Varma Haryana* .
*26- Irshad Khan Delhi*.
*Out of 26 dead 15 are Muslim Names.
If this list is true then Shame on Godi Media for spreading fake news since yesterday.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Posted by brother @m.shah in another thread


This is The Complete list of Persons who lost their lives in Pahalgam Terror Attack,which has been on India TV News*.
*1-Mohammed Asif UP.*
*2 - Anis Qureshi UP.*
*3 -Faisal Khan Delhi* .
*4 -Salim Baig Rajasthan*.
*5 - Anil Roy Bihar*
*6.Ramesh Yadav UP*.
*7 Pradeep Mishra UP*
*8 - Arif Qureshi UP*.
*9 -Praveen Thakur *Haryana*.
*10 - Jameel Ahmed Punjab*
*11 - Suresh Kumar Delhi*.
*12 - Mohsin Shaikh Maharashtra*.
*13 -Afzal Ansari Bihar*
*14- Manju Sharma* *Rajasthan*.
*15- Deepak Varma UP*.
*16 - Nazim Khan UP*.
*17 - Sunil Gupta Bihar*
*18- Aslam Mirza Gujarat*
*19 - Rakesh Yadav MP*.
*20-Sharif Shaikh Maharashtra*.
*21- Shahid Hussain Delhi* .
*22-Riyaz Ahmed Jammu* .
*23 - Meenaxi Tripathi UP*.
*24 - Salim Khan UP* .
*25 - Neeraj Varma Haryana* .
*26- Irshad Khan Delhi*.
*Out of 26 dead 15 are Muslim Names.
If this list is true then Shame on Godi Media for spreading fake news since yesterday.

Is this true?

 

[LordJames]

Disclaimer: We all condemn loss of innocent lives in recent attacks and just are looking to explore proofs and trails for recent attacks

False flag operation under Narendra Modi led government is nothing new for the world and the recent attack in pahlalgam looks suspicious too as Indian media and security analyst readily point fingers at Pakistan for this condemnable action but with no proofs to back up their claims.

If one try to figure out the biggest beneficiary of this recent attack, then it would be no one but the incumbent Indian government itself as such actions would enable them to put more curbs on powers of Jammu & Kashmir current government led by Omar Abdullah. Also in a time, when the security situation is looking bleak in Manipur, Nagaland and other sister states in India's vulnerable chicken neck region. Such events will help the incumbent BJP government to rally forces against their dissidents and exercise more arbitrary powers.

Also it makes zero sense for local Kashmiris to embark on such a mission, knowing beforehand that the ideologue of Israel will use it against poor Kashmiri Muslims to simulate or unleash the outrageous atrocities model as being already in place by the occupying force in Palestine.

Historically, the activities were restricted to Kashmir valley but for the past few years the attacks in Jammu have been increasingly alarmingly and Al-Jazeera (Aug 1, 2024) did a profile on this piece. The attack in Pahalgam couldn't have happened without the access from Kathra, Udhampur, Dodha etc (in Jammu) which have been seeing an increased casualty rate from Indian Army and experts have been warning about this.

Pahalgam cannot be access from Dras/Kargil/Batalik sector (due to harsh winter conditions). It couldn't have happened from LOC (Kupwara, Baramullah, Srinagar) and if did happen then it is intelligence failure and sever incompetence of 500,000+ combined Indian military and paramilitary forces. If Terrorists from Pakistan crossed Kupwara or Baramulla and then reached Pahalgam, Indians should hang their heads in shame because this isn't the harsh vast terrain of Baluchistan.

Either way Indians have a major problem to handle and I am sure sane Indians are looking at this:

1. In the event "Terrorists from Pakistan" crossed into the valley across LOC then it is a major concern
2. If this is planned and executed from Jammu then the insurgency is spreading.

I can only guess that either this is a false flag OR TRF are operation while based in Jammu. The first possibility is an opportunity for India (to blame Pakistan and continue with various dam projects etc) and the second is a difficult scenario because unlike the (Kashmir) valley, Jammu has always been relatively calm and also has Hindu majority are very Pro-India so somehow TRF has been able to blend into Jammu's Hindu majority belt and then attack.

TRF founder and the current chief are from Kulgam district so their links in Jammu (instead of Kashmir) make sense so IF TRF are a legit organisation then India has got serious issues and vacationing etc in the valley is over!

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Is this true?

Yep seen that too @Devadwal who said that the asked religion or frisked before killing??

 

[Devadwal]

Is this true?

Everything else is fake .

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/pahalgam-attack-who-are-the-26-people-shot-dead-by-terrorists-full-list-101745397115435.html

 

[Devadwal]

Yep seen that too, @Devadwal who said that the asked religion or frisked before killing??

Sources - madarsa whatsapp University. I have seen this fake propaganda already. Try again :

 

[Aham Brahmasmi]

How many tourists were there? Why was there no police or security presence? How can the blame be placed solely on the locals? Do the army rely on the locals for security, or is it the other way around? How are these terrorists entering India so easily?

This is a failure on both the state and central governments, yet people are busy pointing fingers at locals without any proof.

If you are really Indian as you claim atleast support India now. You may be against cricket team but dont be against your own country if you are Indian

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If you are really Indian as you claim atleast support India now. You may be against cricket team but dont be against your own country if you are Indian

I asked those questions as an Indian, just like many others who are concerned about our security. I am not a blind follower of the BJP who ignores valid concerns. If you can, go ahead and answer them.

 

[HalBass9]

If you are really Indian as you claim atleast support India now. You may be against cricket team but dont be against your own country if you are Indian

Isn’t he simply questioning the Indian government’s failure, especially after it’s been repeated time and again that Kashmir is “safe for everyone”?

When you sell stability as a success story, don’t be surprised when people ask questions the moment that story falls apart.

And honestly, what could be more Indian than blindly echoing the government's narrative

 

[Aham Brahmasmi]

I asked those questions as an Indian, just like many others who are concerned about our security. I am not a blind follower of the BJP who ignores valid concerns. If you can, go ahead and answer them.

So do you condemn the killings or say it is internal job like them?

 

[bk19xsa]

If you are really Indian as you claim atleast support India now. You may be against cricket team but dont be against your own country if you are Indian

The way you support India is not how every Indian wants to support India.

 

[Aham Brahmasmi]

Isn’t he simply questioning the Indian government’s failure, especially after it’s been repeated time and again that Kashmir is “safe for everyone”?

When you sell stability as a success story, don’t be surprised when people ask questions the moment that story falls apart.

And honestly, what could be more Indian than blindly echoing the government's narrative

This is what he is doing always. Gives other chances to point back at India by claiming to be modern or open or whatever you call it these days. Atleast did not try to search for answers before pointing back at country. In this i really appreciate pakistanis they stand with their country matter what. Never saw a single pak guy saying his country might be at fault etc. hats off to you guys

 

[LordJames]

If you are really Indian as you claim atleast support India now. You may be against cricket team but dont be against your own country if you are Indian

I think the opposite.

The death of innocent noncombatant civilians anywhere of any creed or religion is tragic and attack on them condemnable. However, if both sides get entrenched into their positions instead of looking at the facts objectively then the solution won't be resolved.

India and Pakistan are both militarily capable of inflicting damage on each other, their people and territory. If Indians think that Pakistan can't target and inflict damage they are mistaken. If Pakistanees think that Indians guns, bombs and missiles don't hurt or do damage, they are also mistaken.

1. If there is categoric evidence that Pakistan Army or ISI is involved in this, Asim Muneer and his monkeys should be hung in public! Its not just stupid but categorically absurd and serves no purpose.
2. If this is False flag then Indian state should ensure that planners and executors are brought to justice because India will not come out of any kinetic action unscathed and in fact economically and from business reputational perspective India has more to lose! Pakistan is already bankrupt
3. If Terrorists came from Pakistan (without Pakistan Army involved) then this is a breach, intelligence and security failure of monumental proportions for Indian Army
4. If Terrorists are based in Jammu, then India also has severe issues

In scenario 1, 3 & 4 Kashmir remains unstable and a flashpoint for both.

In scenario 2, Indians have committed a blunder for short term gain.

That's why both sides (or at least citizens) should calm down and think instead of getting themselves into a frenzy.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I have studied this incident in great detail and don't believe it is a false flag.

It is also slightly absurd that whenever Pakistan is afflicted by terrorism it's Indians fault...but whenever they are afflicted by terrorism it's also something they done themselves.

You can make an argument that it was a security failure yes. But this attack was deeply embarrassing for Indian government and security forces, there is no chance in hell it's a false flag

 

[Aham Brahmasmi]

I think the opposite.

The death of innocent noncombatant civilians anywhere of any creed or religion is tragic and attack on them condemnable. However, if both sides get entrenched into their positions instead of looking at the facts objectively then the solution won't be resolved.

India and Pakistan are both militarily capable of inflicting damage on each other, their people and territory. If Indians think that Pakistan can't target and inflict damage they are mistaken. If Pakistanees think that Indians guns, bombs and missiles don't hurt or do damage, they are also mistaken.

1. If there is categoric evidence that Pakistan Army or ISI is involved in this, Asim Muneer and his monkeys should be hung in public! Its not just stupid but categorically absurd and serves no purpose.
2. If this is False flag then Indian state should ensure that planners and executors are brought to justice because India will not come out of any kinetic action unscathed and in fact economically and from business reputational perspective India has more to lose! Pakistan is already bankrupt
3. If Terrorists came from Pakistan (without Pakistan Army involved) then this is a breach, intelligence and security failure of monumental proportions for Indian Army
4. If Terrorists are based in Jammu, then India also has severe issues

In scenario 1, 3 & 4 Kashmir remains unstable and a flashpoint for both.

In scenario 2, Indians have committed a blunder for short term gain.

That's why both sides (or at least citizens) should calm down and think instead of getting themselves into a frenzy.

Agree, but he gives benefit of doubt to pak side and none to Indian side and claims to be indian . This is called false flag. When entire country is mourning, some people like this try to discredit Indian side without any evidence.

 

[Major]

I have studied this incident in great detail and don't believe it is a false flag.

It is also slightly absurd that whenever Pakistan is afflicted by terrorism it's Indians fault...but whenever they are afflicted by terrorism it's also something they done themselves.

You can make an argument that it was a security failure yes. But this attack was deeply embarrassing for Indian government and security forces, there is no chance in hell it's a false flag

well, after what India did in Balochistan through BLA, im happy with the response from our COAS. He did some great work. Cause India to go into panic mode.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Everything else is fake .

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/pahalgam-attack-who-are-the-26-people-shot-dead-by-terrorists-full-list-101745397115435.html

So heart wrenching so they attacked Muslims too.

 

[HalBass9]

This is what he is doing always. Gives other chances to point back at India by claiming to be modern or open or whatever you call it these days. Atleast did not try to search for answers before pointing back at country. In this i really appreciate pakistanis they stand with their country matter what. Never saw a single pak guy saying his country might be at fault etc. hats off to you guys

Actually, that’s not true. Pakistanis are simply asking fair and necessary questions:

Where is the evidence? Why was blame cast even before the bodies were collected? Are the terrorists from India or Pakistan? And why does the released sketch look like a poorly photoshopped version of Babar Azam?

More importantly, how does such a high profile attack occur in a region with an estimated 700,000 troops, the most militarized zone on the planet? And why wasn’t security heightened during tourist season?

Let’s not forget, India has been vocal about the Indus Waters Treaty long before this incident, which raises even more questions about timing and motive.

No one here is denying the possibility of Pakistani involvement. In fact, many Pakistanis openly acknowledge the reality of proxy conflicts between both nations. The difference is, when it comes to Balochistan, Indian responses tend to fall back on denial and deflection.

See the difference? One side is asking uncomfortable questions. The other is recycling comfortable narratives.

 

[ipog]

It is also slightly absurd that whenever Pakistan is afflicted by terrorism it's Indians fault...but whenever they are afflicted by terrorism it's also something they done themselves.

Pakistanis love conspiracy. Who doesn't but most would stop saying it loud due to the risk of totally sounding stupid. But more than a half of Pakistani posters are falze flag ji and every day new threads popping up. Gotta give it to the them, it's very difficult to be that stupid as you grow old and years and years of experience and education generally offsets any lack of intellect to a large extent but no.

 

[Major]

Pakistanis love conspiracy. Who doesn't but most would stop saying it loud due to the risk of totally sounding stupid. But more than a half of Pakistani posters are falze flag ji and every day new threads popping up. Gotta give it to the them, it's very difficult to be that stupid as you grow old and years and years of experience and education generally offsets any lack of intellect to a large extent but no.

Just like Indians funding BLA and killing 100 civilians which indian posters dont accept and make conspiracy.

Its very difficult to be an indian, smell of curry and be retarded. No wonder why Australians look down upon you lot.

 

[HalBass9]

Pakistanis love conspiracy. Who doesn't but most would stop saying it loud due to the risk of totally sounding stupid. But more than a half of Pakistani posters are falze flag ji and every day new threads popping up. Gotta give it to the them, it's very difficult to be that stupid as you grow old and years and years of experience and education generally offsets any lack of intellect to a large extent but no.

So you genuinely believe India isn’t involved in a proxy war with Pakistan and provides no support in Balochistan?

That’s willful ignorance. And when denial becomes that comfortable, it stops being a position and starts being propaganda.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So do you condemn the killings or say it is internal job like them?

Go through the entire thread to understand my take on the incident.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Isn’t he simply questioning the Indian government’s failure, especially after it’s been repeated time and again that Kashmir is “safe for everyone”?

When you sell stability as a success story, don’t be surprised when people ask questions the moment that story falls apart.

And honestly, what could be more Indian than blindly echoing the government's narrative

I am not the only one, many people are questioning the government. These 'andhbhakts' seem to believe everyone should think and behave exactly like them.

 

[ipog]

Just like Indians funding BLA and killing 100 civilians which indian posters dont accept and make conspiracy.

Its very difficult to be an indian, smell of curry and be retarded. No wonder why Australians look down upon you lot.

You didn't get the memo or guess not educated outside madarsas being in a jungle Raj. Indians don't care about Australia or what they think. 90 % terror outfits have a Pakistan connection or run from there. Learn the difference between collecting intelligence or spy operations and running open terror operations and killing people. Except for kulbhushan who may be a spy, you don't have anything on India. No one worth a penny in international has said anything about India. Who am I saying this to anyways. A third rate troll and a kasab idoliser. Most of it will go over your head due to stunted brain. When you get some semblance of a brain, I will debate you. Until then I will let you do your job, trolling

 

[LordJames]

I have studied this incident in great detail and don't believe it is a false flag.

It is also slightly absurd that whenever Pakistan is afflicted by terrorism it's Indians fault...but whenever they are afflicted by terrorism it's also something they done themselves.

You can make an argument that it was a security failure yes. But this attack was deeply embarrassing for Indian government and security forces, there is no chance in hell it's a false flag

The more I think about it, the more I am also now leaning towards that it wasn't a false flag operation by India because JD Vance is in India and this is absolutely the worst time to show a security failure. Joking aside, this makes India look severely weak and unable to secure its borders at the time of a potential trade deal with US.

Also any Kinetic action by India will be met by Kinetic action by Pakistan and if not equal India will be insecure and damaged and any damage to Indian reputation that it is not safe and secure for business is a blow they cannot afford.

The dumb Generals of Pakistan Army would not go this far to take attention away from Imran Khan.

But anything is possible and nations and people have made far greater miscalculations in history.

 

[ipog]

So you genuinely believe India isn’t involved in a proxy war with Pakistan and provides no support in Balochistan?

That’s willful ignorance. And when denial becomes that comfortable, it stops being a position and starts being propaganda.

Stop insurgencies, maintain good relations and any clandestine cooperations will stop. Spy and clandestine operations are common. It's foolish if you don't collect intelligence. Onus is on Pakistan to take the first step as they launched four wars and have lost all goodwill in the relationship. One just after ab vajpayee extended an olive branch. Backstab after backstab. Get to the table leave Kashmir aside or status quo and engage in good faith. Kashmiris can negotiate on their behalf, don't worry about them.

 

[Major]

You didn't get the memo or guess not educated outside madarsas being in a jungle Raj. Indians don't care about Australia or what they think. 90 % terror outfits have a Pakistan connection or run from there. Learn the difference between collecting intelligence or spy operations and running open terror operations and killing people. Except for kulbhushan who may be a spy, you don't have anything on India. No one worth a penny in international has said anything about India. Who am I saying this to anyways. A third rate troll and a kasab idoliser. Most of it will go over your head due to stunted brain. When you get some semblance of a brain, I will debate you. Until then I will let you do your job, trolling

Before questioning others' education, maybe learn how to use basic grammar and punctuation yourself. Your rant reads like a keyboard tantrum, not an argument.

Dont think anyone would want to debate with someone who types like that.

 

[HalBass9]

Stop insurgencies, maintain good relations and any clandestine cooperations will stop. Spy and clandestine operations are common. It's foolish if you don't collect intelligence. Onus is on Pakistan to take the first step as they launched four wars and have lost all goodwill in the relationship. One just after ab vajpayee extended an olive branch. Backstab after backstab. Get to the table leave Kashmir aside or status quo and engage in good faith. Kashmiris can negotiate on their behalf, don't worry about them.

So you admit, the two nation is engaging on proxy war.

 

[ipog]

Before questioning others' education, maybe learn how to use basic grammar and punctuation yourself. Your rant reads like a keyboard tantrum, not an argument.

Dont think anyone would want to debate with someone who types like that.

If this is a grammar competition, yes I would. Not needed to teach a troll some basics.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How many tourists were there? Why was there no police or security presence? How can the blame be placed solely on the locals? Do the army rely on the locals for security, or is it the other way around? How are these terrorists entering India so easily?

This is a failure on both the state and central governments, yet people are busy pointing fingers at locals without any proof.

Agree, but he gives benefit of doubt to pak side and none to Indian side and claims to be indian . This is called false flag. When entire country is mourning, some people like this try to discredit Indian side without any evidence.

Can any neutral person point out where I gave the benefit of doubt to Pakistan or even mentioned them by name? I am simply asking a few questions as an Indian. I don't know who was behind the incident because I haven't seen any evidence yet but I have the right to question what happened. Where was the security? Why aren't the state and central governments taking responsibility? And if I just blame Pakistan, will that magically answer all these questions?

 

[Major]

If this is a grammar competition, yes I would. Not needed to teach a troll some basics.

I still did not understand what you wrote.

Lol, I can actually read that in your Indian accent. Even your typing has an accent

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I still did not understand what you wrote.

Lol, I can actually read that in your Indian accent. Even your typing has an accent

Meena ka bhai Ka.....

 

[DeadlyVenom]

M

The more I think about it, the more I am also now leaning towards that it wasn't a false flag operation by India because JD Vance is in India and this is absolutely the worst time to show a security failure. Joking aside, this makes India look severely weak and unable to secure its borders at the time of a potential trade deal with US.

Also any Kinetic action by India will be met by Kinetic action by Pakistan and if not equal India will be insecure and damaged and any damage to Indian reputation that it is not safe and secure for business is a blow they cannot afford.

The dumb Generals of Pakistan Army would not go this far to take attention away from Imran Khan.

But anything is possible and nations and people have made far greater miscalculations in history.

JD Vance and his Hindu wife being in India wasn't good timing for Pakistan army either.

I don't think there was an official Pakistani hand in this.

What Indians seem to forget is that there is large anti India feeling in Kashmir. Just a few years ago their soldiers were too scared to walk down the streets. That feeling hasn't disappeared no matter how much they talk about economy and railway lines. It's convenient to blame Pakistan.

We aren't much better. While there is an Indian hand in Balochistan the problem is similar to Kashmir in that there is a level of genuine local grievance against the central government.

 

[LordJames]

@ipog

Please calm down and take the time to write properly because we genuinely want to understand.

You won't be able to reach across the Internet and occupy Pakistan or take Kashmir or throttle a Pakistani by the neck.

M

JD Vance and his Hindu wife being in India wasn't good timing for Pakistan army either.

I don't think there was an official Pakistani hand in this.

What Indians seem to forget is that there is large anti India feeling in Kashmir. Just a few years ago their soldiers were too scared to walk down the streets. That feeling hasn't disappeared no matter how much they talk about economy and railway lines. It's convenient to blame Pakistan.

We aren't much better. While there is an Indian hand in Balochistan the problem is similar to Kashmir in that there is a level of genuine local grievance against the central government.

I am also leaning towards what you are saying.

 

[ipog]

So you admit, the two nation is engaging on proxy war.

I'm not in the GOI to confirm anything but i'd be shocked if any country doesn't try to collect intelligence in hostile countries. Running a country, 101.

Read my response in totality and not partial bits here and there.

 

[deep82]

You didn't get the memo or guess not educated outside madarsas being in a jungle Raj. Indians don't care about Australia or what they think. 90 % terror outfits have a Pakistan connection or run from there. Learn the difference between collecting intelligence or spy operations and running open terror operations and killing people. Except for kulbhushan who may be a spy, you don't have anything on India. No one worth a penny in international has said anything about India. Who am I saying this to anyways. A third rate troll and a kasab idoliser. Most of it will go over your head due to stunted brain. When you get some semblance of a brain, I will debate you. Until then I will let you do your job, trolling

Perfectly summed up. Most of these trolls have been brainwashed since childhood. Can't blame them. They are the product of their enviornement.

 

[ipog]

I still did not understand what you wrote.

Lol, I can actually read that in your Indian accent. Even your typing has an accent

It's ok. Every one doesn't want to be a wannabe

 

[Major]

It's ok. Every one doesn't want to be a wannabe

trust me, no one wants to be an Indian.

 

[Major]

Perfectly summed up. Most of these trolls have been brainwashed since childhood. Can't blame them. They are the product of their enviornement.

says the guy who thinks every evil that takes place in India is cause of Pakistan.

 

[HalBass9]

I'm not in the GOI to confirm anything but i'd be shocked if any country doesn't try to collect intelligence in hostile countries. Running a country, 101.

Read my response in totality and not partial bits here and there.

I do not believe you are part of GOI.

 

[Hitman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915416191817953666

 

[ipog]

trust me, no one wants to be an Indian.

Tell that to your 3 million+ bhais and many more from Bangladesh who keep coming into the country or Pakistani restaurant owners in west who want to project their shops as Indian restaurants.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It's ok. Every one doesn't want to be a wannabe

You and @Devadwal should quote each other more often because only you two seem to understand each other's posts. For the rest of us, it just reminds me of this:

 

[Major]

Tell that to your 3 million+ bhais and many more from Bangladesh who keep coming into the country or Pakistani restaurant owners in west who want to project their shops as Indian restaurants.

You think people want to be Indians?

 

[ipog]

You think people want to be Indians?

Leave what I think . Ask the people I mentioned and tell me the answer why they do what they do?

 

[ipog]

You and @Devadwal should quote each other more often because only you two seem to understand each other's posts. For the rest of us, it just reminds me of this:

You and Pakistanis are a great jugalbandi Bhai. Kya naachna, kya gaana. Nothing can beat that

 

[Major]

Lol...I feel so lucky to be born on right side of border.

Imagine being born in a country like Pakistan. Its like living in Hell with all those extremists and madarasa scrambling your brains day in & day out...

good for you if you rather be an indian. Now tell us how do English and Australians treat you?

 

[Major]

I find it abit odd that Indian accs made in 2016 and before are being logged in, coming here and sprouting garbage......

Wonder if the regulars are using their unbanned old accs to sprout garbage anonymously or are these guys coming from another forum.

This place is reeking of curry suddenly.

 

[deep82]

good for you if you rather be an indian. Now tell us how do English and Australians treat you?

I talk to many guys from US and UK as clients for business. They are super nice and always have good words for their fellow Indians in their workplace.

You seriously need to come out from Pakistan to have a new perspective.

 

[Major]

I talk to many guys from US and UK as clients for business. They are super nice and always have good words for their fellow Indians in their workplace.

You seriously need to come out from Pakistan to have a new perspective.

I like how freelancers here pretend to be big project mangers

 

[deep82]

I like how freelancers here pretend to be big project mangers

Ok, so you magically know what I do? Lol.

You seriously need to come out from a restricted society and maybe, just maybe, you will find a new direction that is not based on haterade, jealousy and negativity.

 

[Major]

Ok, so you magically know what I do? Lol.

You seriously need to come out from a restricted society and maybe, just maybe, you will find a new direction that is not based on haterade, jealousy and negativity.

the fact that you logged in after many years on to an old acc to go over to pakpassion and hate on us for your own internal security matters and than talk haterade, negativity is really ironic.

 

[deep82]

the fact that you logged in after many years on to an old acc to go over to pakpassion and hate on us for your own internal security matters and than talk haterade, negativity is really ironic.

I have been active here since CT. Even started a thread on Pakistan roadmap T20 many days back.

I didn't login back yesterday after 10 years. Busted again, @Major

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Wow, worth reading, insane propaganda
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Pahalgam attack: Indian media propaganda against Pakistan again exposed

The anti-Pakistan propaganda of Indian media has once again exposed as after every terrorist attack in India or in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK)- it immediately starts leveling baseless allegations Pakistan without any concrete evidence.

Pakistani travel guides

“Indian media habitually blame Pakistan after every attack and hide the truth besides misleading their own people by linking old videos to new incidents,” sources told.

According to the Hindustan Times, the Pahalgam attack occurred at 3:00 PM while the social media accounts linked to the Indian intelligence agency RAW started accusing Pakistan by 3:05 PM, the sources added.

They claimed that Indian social media accounts started tweeting with the hashtag #PakSponsoredTerror , within 30 minutes of the Pahalgam attack. Moreover, BJP leaders JP Nadda and Amit Shah also tweeted about the incident within 30 to 60 minutes, they said.
One- three hours after the incident, fake intelligence reports were leaked, which were then massively re-tweeted through RSS troll accounts, the sources said.

They said ironically, identical messages are tweeted from 500 Indian accounts of BJP supporters within 15 minutes of the Pahalgam incident. “Within 30 minutes, #PakistanTerrorError becomes a top trend, with tweets from fake Kashmiri names”, they said.
They went on to say that the Indian media has historically used such attacks—without evidence—to incite anti-Pakistan sentiment. In fact, these allegations are pre-planned and used to malign Pakistan only, they added.

They said that terrorism has no religion but India persistently tries to link it with Muslims especially Pakistan.
The Defense Experts also raised serious questions about the Pahalgam incident. “Why hasn’t Indian media shown the bodies of the 27 people allegedly killed in the attack?

They said that only a photoshopped image has surfaced on Indian media in which a woman suspiciously sitting beside a man lying on the ground—with no blood or even a scratch.
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They questioned, “Why did RAW-linked accounts start tweeting about punishing Pakistan at moment of the so-called attack?
The Defence Experts said that whether India can show single evidence proving Pakistan’s involvement in the so-called attack? “Pahalgam has distance of at-least 400 kilometer from the Line of Control, and India has deployed 900,000 troops in IIOJK, they said.

They questioned that in presence of such huge Indian troops, how such attack is possible? Why do such attacks always happen when Western or American political leaders are visiting India or when there is a major event in India, they questioned.

They said unfortunately India did not learn anything from its past false flag operations. India must answer these questions if it wants the world to believe its fabricated stories, they asserted.

They said that India’s ugly face has already been exposed worldwide for sponsoring international terrorism and killing Sikhs.

Pahalgam attack: Indian media propaganda against Pakistan again exposed

Pahalgam attack: Indian media propaganda against Pakistan again exposed

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[Technics 1210]

Everything about Modi India is fake, so yes, false flag all the way.

 

[straighttalk]

Obviously you can silence others with Proofs

So let's think logically ..Pak is..hey guys we will send pak terrorist to India...let's make it very easy .carry Pak passports, Pak retail items, Pakistan registered weapons....India has itmntercepted communications and have shared it with other world powers to build consensus..there is no need to share proof with accused when past has shown it is of zero use.

And why show proof when your generals have openly said they support killers in Kashmir and you house the leaders of LET and JEM. Why not arrest and hand them over to India as first step

 

[Kriketer]

False Flag, that's the lazy counter a lot of Islamists have taken to defend their own warriors/terrorists.

Any major Islamic terror event is a fase flag. America did it to their own people, Israel did it to their own people, India does this to their own people.

I won't be engaging in more debates here, but get over these ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Ridiculous examples. America has dropped bombs on many Muslim countries and have invaded and killed millions, and no people from the caves did not take twin towers down. And Israel been terrorizing and occupying Palestinians for 80 years all a mere fact which is available online all around and backed by UN and countless Humanitarian organizations. And Pakistan gains nothing out of carrying out attacks in India, while India with its facist Hindudva government and occupation in IOK has everything to gain by polluting minds, both though has its dirty proxy means.

Simply believing islamophobic Zionist media which now barely works as many speak against Palestinian genocide and Israel's brutal decades long land theft, and expose America for its illegal wars and invasions in Muslim world. People like you wouldn't utter a word for millions of Iraqi losing their lives over fabrication of WMD, same gibberish of Muslim are the boogeyman. Last I checked Muslim countries still aren't invading anyone and aren't stealing land from anyone by bombing masses so spare us your typical tiring take. Majority islamophobes couldn't pinpoint a handful of Muslim countries on the map before 9/11

 

[Devadwal]

@BouncerGuy @The Bald Eagle bro you defence minister on air admits Pakistan support to terrorist .

Sky News : “But you do admit, sir, that Pakistan has had a long history of backing and supporting and training and funding these terrorist organizations?”
Pakistan Def. Minister: “Well, we have been doing this dirty work for United States for 3 decades.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915637500657238324

@Rajdeep @JaDed @Hitman @deep82

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Pakistani public is so naive. Every PM you ever had has been either killed/assassinated or put in prison by your Army.
Your Army is only relevant as long as they can show and project the threat from India. For your perceived safety Pakistani public is ready to give up their basic rights and their leaders. Pakistan army literally runs and owns the largest companies in Pakistan.

India doesnt have that issue. If BJP wanted to carry out a false flag they would have timed it before the 2024 elections. There is hardly anything to gain for BJP politically. Elections are 4 years away. World is simply stuck on Trump's mood swings on tariffs. Indians and Kashmiris lost lives, peace and economic growth here. The only entity that has gained strength is Pakistan Army. It gets to come out off the utter shame of BLA's train attack, several missteps against Taliban and complete mishandling of Imran Khan. Because there is one thing that unites whole of Pakistan is the hatred for India and that's what they got. Asim Munir has saved himself from a guaranteed prosecution post retirement. He needed the "rally behind the leader" moment with an upcoming external threat from India and he got it with ease. Imran Khan ko rot in jail for longer in peace now.

 

[Hitman]

Not surprised at this thread though. For Pakistanis, every Islamic terror attack is a false flag. The whole world is out there to malign Islam.​

 

[globetrotter]

Posted by brother @m.shah in another thread


This is The Complete list of Persons who lost their lives in Pahalgam Terror Attack,which has been on India TV News*.
*1-Mohammed Asif UP.*
*2 - Anis Qureshi UP.*
*3 -Faisal Khan Delhi* .
*4 -Salim Baig Rajasthan*.
*5 - Anil Roy Bihar*
*6.Ramesh Yadav UP*.
*7 Pradeep Mishra UP*
*8 - Arif Qureshi UP*.
*9 -Praveen Thakur *Haryana*.
*10 - Jameel Ahmed Punjab*
*11 - Suresh Kumar Delhi*.
*12 - Mohsin Shaikh Maharashtra*.
*13 -Afzal Ansari Bihar*
*14- Manju Sharma* *Rajasthan*.
*15- Deepak Varma UP*.
*16 - Nazim Khan UP*.
*17 - Sunil Gupta Bihar*
*18- Aslam Mirza Gujarat*
*19 - Rakesh Yadav MP*.
*20-Sharif Shaikh Maharashtra*.
*21- Shahid Hussain Delhi* .
*22-Riyaz Ahmed Jammu* .
*23 - Meenaxi Tripathi UP*.
*24 - Salim Khan UP* .
*25 - Neeraj Varma Haryana* .
*26- Irshad Khan Delhi*.
*Out of 26 dead 15 are Muslim Names.
If this list is true then Shame on Godi Media for spreading fake news since yesterday.

Seems to be drafted by India alliance, but remember Indian Muslims are not fooled, they stands firmly behind Modi government

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If you are really Indian as you claim atleast support India now. You may be against cricket team but dont be against your own country if you are Indian

Is she lying?

 

[IndoorCricket]

Its always the Zionists, Hindus and US folks conspiring agianst Islamic countries to project it as not so peaceful. When will the sheep wake up?

It doesnt matter 99% of terror attacks around the globe are by muslims. 99% of top 100 designated terror outfits are Islamic. Who supported and trained these terror outfits? again, Islamic countries. Who sheltered designated terrorists, agian a Islamic republic. But who is to be blamed? Obviously its the Jews and Hindus.

 

[emranabbas]

Seems to be drafted by India alliance, but remember Indian Muslims are not fooled, they stands firmly behind Modi government

But this list is posted by indian muslim and I have mentioned the poster too

 

[ipog]

Sky News : “But you do admit, sir, that Pakistan has had a long history of backing and supporting and training and funding these terrorist organizations?”
Pakistan Def. Minister: “Well, we have been doing this dirty work for United States for 3 decades.”

Banner worthy video

 

[Romali_rotti]

To be fair Indian government was caught napping big time here, PM goes off to Saudi Arabia, government almost arrogantly thinking there would be no more terror threats and leaving the area unsecured... A costly lesson learnt, as long as Pakistan is your neighbour terror will always be present, leave no stones unturned....

 

[globetrotter]

But this list is posted by indian muslim and I have mentioned the poster too

If it’s true, then u confirmed him asa traitor

 

[BouncerGuy]

you guys need to stay on topic.. No personal stuff.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

you guys need to stay on topic.. No personal stuff.

Why is fake information being allowed to posted freely?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No one has any proof of who is responsible, but common sense will tell you that Pakistan gains nothing from this, and the only winners are India's BJP govt due to their larger aims driven by hindutva ideology.

 

[Romali_rotti]

No one has any proof of who is responsible, but common sense will tell you that Pakistan gains nothing from this, and the only winners are India's BJP govt due to their larger aims driven by hindutva ideology.

Common sense will tell you Pakistan hasn't gained anything since independence, but they do dumb things anyway. Look at the state of the Pakistan, it is a work of art to achieve this level of disaster..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Common sense will tell you Pakistan hasn't gained anything since independence, but they do dumb things anyway. Look at the state of the Pakistan, it is a work of art to achieve this level of disaster..

Not true actually. Pakistan was actually doing better than India for the first couple of decades following partition, but after the decision to throw their lot in with the Americans they have gone steadily downhill. Gen Zia's attempts to mix religion with politics was another disaster, and if India had BJP in power during the early days, you would have seen a similar trajectory in India. You were lucky that Nehru was smart enough to follow his Anglophile instincts and teach English in the schools, were it not for the language advantage, India's use as a service industry would negligible.

Pakistan is still trying to extricate itself from the mess it has made. You could argue they have mostly bodged it, but there is nothing to be gained by picking fights with India.

For hindutva however, picking fights with Islamic Pakistan is just a vote winner through and through.

 

[Romali_rotti]

. You were lucky that Nehru was smart enough to follow his Anglophile instincts and teach English in the schools, were it not for the language advantage, India's use as a service industry would negligible.


For hindutva however, picking fights with Islamic Pakistan is just a vote winner through and through.

When you have a Pakistani praising Nehru, you know he was absolutely the worst thing to happen for India. lol Nehru and smart in the same sentence, nice oxymoron there...



Oh yes, forgot, Indian election is in a month so BJP definitely needs the votes now. You do have a point there Cap, I'll give you that, spoke like a true Pakistani well done my boi...

 

[Theanonymousone]

Not true actually. Pakistan was actually doing better than India for the first couple of decades following partition, but after the decision to throw their lot in with the Americans they have gone steadily downhill. Gen Zia's attempts to mix religion with politics was another disaster, and if India had BJP in power during the early days, you would have seen a similar trajectory in India. You were lucky that Nehru was smart enough to follow his Anglophile instincts and teach English in the schools, were it not for the language advantage, India's use as a service industry would negligible.

Pakistan is still trying to extricate itself from the mess it has made. You could argue they have mostly bodged it, but there is nothing to be gained by picking fights with India.

For hindutva however, picking fights with Islamic Pakistan is just a vote winner through and through.

Reading few news articles doesnt make you an expert on India’s trajectory.

In India, English medium schools were private while almost 100% of government schools are local-language medium. Its the desire for education from people that drove our population to improve be it taking up English language or higher education. Infact, Congress made a disastrous move by shutting FDI’s till early 1990’s while China and Pakistan hugely benefitted.

You should question Pakistan’s why the literacy rates are so down and youth are more focussed on religious fanaticism.

 

[BouncerGuy]

STAY ON TOPIC

 

[aboveandbeyond]

@BouncerGuy @The Bald Eagle bro you defence minister on air admits Pakistan support to terrorist .

Sky News : “But you do admit, sir, that Pakistan has had a long history of backing and supporting and training and funding these terrorist organizations?”
Pakistan Def. Minister: “Well, we have been doing this dirty work for United States for 3 decades.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915637500657238324

@Rajdeep @JaDed @Hitman @deep82

Your whole country backs A TERRORIST NAZI STYLE REGIME IN THE FORM OF THE ZIONEST EXTREMISTS.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Reading few news articles doesnt make you an expert on India’s trajectory.

In India, English medium schools were private while almost 100% of government schools are local-language medium. Its the desire for education from people that drove our population to improve be it taking up English language or higher education. Infact, Congress made a disastrous move by shutting FDI’s till early 1990’s while China and Pakistan hugely benefitted.

You should question Pakistan’s why the literacy rates are so down and youth are more focussed on religious fanaticism.

I don't really believe your version of history, but let's just take your word for it that in India the English language was not taught as policy but it was just every Indians individual Anglophilia which led them to pursue the English language. End result was still the same. The desire to follow the British Raj's language bore fruit and aided the service industry down the line, Pakistan's focus on Urdu and religion was no use in servicing western demands.

Regardless, the topical point remains: it is hindutva which benefits from creating tension with Islamic Pakistan. Pakistan does not benefit from it at all. This is what you need to address.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If anyone doubts Indian ill-intent towards Pakistan you can just look at their cricket policy. Even the thought of Pakistan getting any sort of financial benefit from their players participating in a lucrative competition whether that be bilateral series or IPL burns the BJP govt to the core.

Then look at how quickly the blame was automatically assigned to Pakistan for the terror attack without pausing for any sort of investigation, and the designs are clear. This is policy for them, and the propaganda spam from most of their posters on here confirms it.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Why is fake information being allowed to posted freely?

If that's the case, they won't allow us to post anything from Godi media here.