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Is Pahalgam attack another false flag operation to accomplish nefarious designs by Indian regime or a retort for misadventures in Balochistan?

What do you believe to be the true nature of recent attack in Pahalgam?


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Its called sarcasm which is lost on you. The embarssing thing is you clinging on to a conspiracy and asking for a source as a matter of fact.

But I already said when I presented that theory that I didn't see much logic in it, so even your assertion that I am clinging on to it is wrong. You are just plain lying now. Or is that sarcasm as well? :unsure:
 
No one knows what really happened here but the corruption and selfishness of the establishment in Pakistan has always been sickening. Can any Pakistani really trust these guys and draw any faith that our military leaders (who lets be real run this entire ship along with the powerful landlords) are operating for the country’s actual benefit?

This was a brutal attack and leaves ordinary Pakistani’s in a very dangerous situation regardless of who ordered it. Peace between these two countries can never be achieved with the insane number of ruthless bad actors on both sides and the extremism that has been weaponised on the borders. May the innocent souls of those who have been killed for nothing on both sides of this conflict rest in peace and their families live on with strength in their memories.

The Pak establishment have already battered any pride we can have in the nation and no one can simply rule out the possibility this was a directed attack by our corrupt and immoral leadership. We may never really know but the state of affairs is horrible and I fear for the repercussions. How people can laugh off the seriousness of this situation is crazy. Who has faith Pakistan will do what’s right in this situation even if it wasn’t directly involved? The elites seem to be sending their kids away sheltering their own. Defence Minister talking absolute rubbish on international media. We are run by charlatans and morons.

I’m just a Brit Pakistani sad about the failed state of Pakistan and the multiple wasted opportunities to actually take the country forward in its history. It’s just take power and do any monstrous thing to retain it to give a small group of wealthy elites a life of luxury and fame. Whether it’s politicians, army generals, mafia landlords no matter who holds power the country effectively has no hope. The man on the street has been left to rot time and time again.

The Pakistani’s that will continue to suffer from this leadership are regular people with no interest in conflict. They just want a better life and because of the broken power systems they will never get it. When the top is such a horrible dynamic everything that follows it is in a poor state.

The time to take Pakistan forward seems to have passed during the Bhutto dynasty. Imran had no chance to make inroads in changing what is a thoroughly broken and brutal system of power. The monsters that Benazir and her dad became when they were in pole position to grow Pakistan will always haunt the country.
 
No one knows what really happened here but the corruption and selfishness of the establishment in Pakistan has always been sickening. Can any Pakistani really trust these guys and draw any faith that our military leaders (who lets be real run this entire ship along with the powerful landlords) are operating for the country’s actual benefit?

This was a brutal attack and leaves ordinary Pakistani’s in a very dangerous situation regardless of who ordered it. Peace between these two countries can never be achieved with the insane number of ruthless bad actors on both sides and the extremism that has been weaponised on the borders. May the innocent souls of those who have been killed for nothing on both sides of this conflict rest in peace and their families live on with strength in their memories.

The Pak establishment have already battered any pride we can have in the nation and no one can simply rule out the possibility this was a directed attack by our corrupt and immoral leadership. We may never really know but the state of affairs is horrible and I fear for the repercussions. How people can laugh off the seriousness of this situation is crazy. Who has faith Pakistan will do what’s right in this situation even if it wasn’t directly involved? The elites seem to be sending their kids away sheltering their own. Defence Minister talking absolute rubbish on international media. We are run by charlatans and morons.

I’m just a Brit Pakistani sad about the failed state of Pakistan and the multiple wasted opportunities to actually take the country forward in its history. It’s just take power and do any monstrous thing to retain it to give a small group of wealthy elites a life of luxury and fame. Whether it’s politicians, army generals, mafia landlords no matter who holds power the country effectively has no hope. The man on the street has been left to rot time and time again.

The Pakistani’s that will continue to suffer from this leadership are regular people with no interest in conflict. They just want a better life and because of the broken power systems they will never get it. When the top is such a horrible dynamic everything that follows it is in a poor state.

The time to take Pakistan forward seems to have passed during the Bhutto dynasty. Imran had no chance to make inroads in changing what is a thoroughly broken and brutal system of power. The monsters that Benazir and her dad became when they were in pole position to grow Pakistan will always haunt the country.

Beautiful post. No wonder no usual warriors here reacted or responsed to it.

:najam
 
Beautiful post. No wonder no usual warriors here reacted or responsed to it.

:najam

That's because most posters already agree that the Pakistan establishment is corrupt. That doesn't mean they are involved in every terror incident in India though. Two different things.
 
But I already said when I presented that theory that I didn't see much logic in it, so even your assertion that I am clinging on to it is wrong. You are just plain lying now. Or is that sarcasm as well? :unsure:

My assertion was that you are clinging to the chinese conspiracy theory and asking of a source for it.
 
2 Pakistani nationals Iftikhar Sheikh (29) and Arnesh Sheikh (25), originally from Karachi, caught in Chhattisgarh with fake Indian IDs & Documents!

Despite having valid Pakistani passports and long-term visas, they forged documents using false information.
:kp
 
JKNC Chief Farooq Abdullah says, "I used to favour dialogue with Pakistan every time...How will we answer those who lost their loved ones? Are we doing justice? Not Balakot, today the nation wants such action to be taken so that these kinds of attacks never happen..."

He further says, "We regret that our neighbour today also does not understand that it has murdered humanity. If they think that by doing this, we will go with Pakistan, we should clear their misunderstanding. We did not go with them in 1947, so why will we go today? We threw the two-nation theory into the water at that time. Today, we are also not ready to accept the two-nation theory. Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christians, we are all one...We will give a befitting reply to them..."

:kp
 
My assertion was that you are clinging to the chinese conspiracy theory and asking of a source for it.

You were the one who posted the Chinese conspiracy theory in the first place, then explained the reasoning that it was because China didn't want western country to move their production lines to India. :ROFLMAO:
 
You were the one who posted the Chinese conspiracy theory in the first place, then explained the reasoning that it was because China didn't want western country to move their production lines to India. :ROFLMAO:
And you were the one waiting eagerly in this thread for the conspiracy source? :ROFLMAO:
 
And you were the one waiting eagerly in this thread for the conspiracy source? :ROFLMAO:

And you were the one who after realising that if China was to blame, pooped his pants because that would mean India would have to go after China. Then pretended three posts later that you were kidding! :ROFLMAO:
 
And you were the one who after realising that if China was to blame, pooped his pants because that would mean India would have to go after China. Then pretended three posts later that you were kidding! :ROFLMAO:
You are going in circles. You are getting too old to understand sarcasm. Not sharp anymore old Cap. As PM Modi said, we will hunt terrorists to the end of this earth. Whether its china or any of its concubines, it doenst matter. Terrorists and it backers will face justice.
 
You are going in circles. You are getting too old to understand sarcasm. Not sharp anymore old Cap. As PM Modi said, we will hunt terrorists to the end of this earth. Whether its china or any of its concubines, it doenst matter. Terrorists and it backers will face justice.

Don't worry, I doubt the Chinese will be reading this thread, you don't have to cack your pants in case India has to take on China instead of Pakistan or Bangladesh. You can take it from me, India will NOT be making any threats to China even if they believe they had a hand in it.
 
Don't worry, I doubt the Chinese will be reading this thread, you don't have to cack your pants in case India has to take on China instead of Pakistan or Bangladesh. You can take it from me, India will NOT be making any threats to China even if they believe they had a hand in it.
You can be on that high horse all you want but that doesnt change reality. Modi gave message clear and loud to the world. India already took punitive measures against China in the past for its transgressions and will do it again if they are found to be guilty.
 
So you're choosing to believe what they have to say now? Earlier you outrightly rejected even the existence of TRF.

They themselves have said that 'their platform was used for the claim' . They should post those 'early indicators' which suggested fingerprints of Indian cyber-Intelligence operatives. Shouldn't be too hard.

Otherwise it simply looks like they're retracting because Pakistan feels isolated around this time. China, your biggest ally has been keeping a mum. USA and all other majot countries have openly backed India. Pakistan can't afford to go to Iran or North Korea way.

@Devadwal
Tbh, never heard of them before this incident and if a new organization could conduct such a big operation in India on its own then really a point to wonder for 7-8 lac strong army deployed there...

And are you referring to this China??🤔

 
Attention all, please can anybody explain to me whether it is Photoshop or real picture....as I couldn't find any alternative of this picture.

Please can anybody tell where the hell did the terrorist thrust bullets into this poor man, as no sign of blood on his body?
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@Devadwal @Buzzinga can you please help us all?

Disclaimer: Still condemn heinous attacks
 

Pakistani YouTube channels blocked in India for exposing Pahalgam attack narrative​


India has blocked more than a dozen Pakistani YouTube channels, following their coverage of the Pahalgam incident.

The channels were reporting on the Pahalgam attack and had exposed discrepancies in the Modi government's narrative regarding the events, prompting Indian authorities to accuse the Pakistani channels of spreading "misleading and provocative content."

Other affected channels include independent journalist platforms and thematic channels.

Indian authorities alleged that these channels were disseminating misleading information against the Indian government and military, although no specific examples were publicly cited.

Collectively, the banned channels had a subscriber base exceeding approximately 66 million.

Full list of Pakistani YouTube channels restricted by India

Geo News — 18.1 million subscribers

ARY News — 14.6 million subscribers

Samaa TV — 12.7 million subscribers

Bol News — 7.85 million subscribers

ShoaibAkhtar100mph — 3.81M subscribers

GNN — 3.54 million subscribers

Dawn News TV — 1.96 million subscribers

Suno News HD — 1.36 million subscribers

Irshad Bhatti — 829k subscribers

Raftar — 805k subscribers

Muneeb Farooq — 165k subscribers

Asma Shirazi — 133k subscribers

Umar Cheema Exclusive — 125k subscribers

Pakistan Reference — 288k subscribers

Uzair Cricket — 288k subscribers

Razi Nama — 270k subscribers

Samaa Sports — 73.5k subscribers

Pahalgam attack and diplomatic aftermath

On Tuesday April 22, 26 men were killed at a tourist site in Pahalgam area of Indian Illegally Occuppied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJK). India claimed without presenting any evidence that there were Pakistani elements linked to the attack, a claim Islamabad denies.

On Wednesday April 23, the Indian Cabinet Committee on Security approved a series of actions including shutting down the Wagah-Attari land transit point, advising Indian nationals against travelling to Pakistan, and formally notifying Islamabad of the suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty.

In response, Pakistan's National Security Committee (NSC) on Thursday April 24 warned that any attempt by India to block water flow into Pakistan would be treated as an act of war. The statement followed a high-level NSC meeting, which also approved the closure of the Wagah border crossing.

On Friday April 25, the Senate of Pakistan unanimously passed a resolution rejecting India’s allegations linking Pakistan to the Pahalgam attack, calling them baseless and politically motivated.

 
@Devadwal @Buzzinga can you please help us all?

Disclaimer: Still condemn heinous attacks
I don't know about that particular picture and i have no intention of digging deeper to find you a better picture with blood and bullets. Too disturbing for me.

All victims have been named and accounted for. Do you think its possible to fake the victims when you have thousands of media outlets across country many of whom are on payrolls of Congress and left. Political parties like Samajwadi party, TMK, RJD and few from south will wreak havoc for Modi govt if they find proof of foul play. Just saying.
 
Tbh, never heard of them before this incident and if a new organization could conduct such a big operation in India on its own then really a point to wonder for 7-8 lac strong army deployed there...

And are you referring to this China??🤔


Its possible if you consider Geographic conditions of J&K .

To give an example, we don't hold a candle in front of USA when it comes to technology, weapons, military might, all those FBIs, CIAs, Home land etc etc. Still they have security breaches.

Hum to unse 100 saal pichhe hain
 
Brothers, while everyone has the right to question things, respectfully, I dont think its appropriate to share pictures of grieving people and dead bodies. We risk becoming Alex Jones types of people. It is someone, father/brother/son lying dead there. Let's keep our humanity and not dissect these images in a way that could cause grief. God Forbid that one day we or our loved ones dead bodies are shared. It would break out hearts.
 
Some people's are trying very hard to find a conspiracy theories. pathetic
 
Certainly they are again backing their "iron brother" as usual,
Backing is another thing. Ofcourse they will back Pakistan because they have too much of stake there.

I was talking about the chinese response. I don't know about you but o found it cold. In past they used be more aggressive than this.
 
The Indian government has banned 16 Pakistani YouTube channels on recommendations from its Ministry of Home Affairs, Pakistani and Indian media outlets reported on Monday.

Tensions have risen between the two Asian nations following a recent attack in occupied Kashmir’s Pahalgam.

The April 22 attack in Pahalgam killed 26 people, mostly tourists, and is one of the deadliest armed attacks in the disputed Himalayan region since the year 2000. Responsibility for the attack was allegedly claimed by the hitherto unknown The Resistance Front (TRF).



 This screenshot shows that Dawn News’ YouTube channel cannot be accessed by a user in New Delhi on April 28, 2025. — shared with Dawn.com

This screenshot shows that Dawn News’ YouTube channel cannot be accessed by a user in New Delhi on April 28, 2025. — shared with Dawn.com


India, without offering any evidence, has implied cross-border linkages of the attackers, while Pakistan has strongly denied any involvement. Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif has called for a neutral probe into the incident.

The YouTube channels blocked by the Indian authorities include those of Dawn News, Samaa TV, ARY News, Geo News, Bol News, Suno News and Raftar.

Journalists whose channels were banned included Irshad Bhatti, Asma Shirazi, Umar Cheema, Muneeb Farooq and Rizwan Razi.

Dawn.com confirmed that these YouTube channels could not be accessed in India.

No authority or official in Pakistan has commented on the matter so far.

The sites were blocked in India on Monday, with a message reading it was due to an “order from the government related to national security or public order”.

Even renowned former Pakistan fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar’s channel was not spared. Uzair Cricket was another commentary channel reportedly banned in India.



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The Pakistan Experience, a podcast channel by content creator Shehzad Ghias, said it was also banned in India.

“Is our minor podcast a national security risk?” it quipped in a post on X, sharing a screenshot of a message by YouTube addressed to the podcast account.

“In my opinion, Uzair Younus and I did quite a sensible balanced discussion on the issue. There is nothing in this podcast that warranted us getting banned in India,” Ghias asserted on X, sharing a link to the video titled ‘Are India and Pakistan about to go to war? - The aftermath of the Pahalgam incident’.

The Indian Ministry of Home Affairs claimed that these YouTube channels were pushing “false narratives” against India, its army and security agencies.

The Indian authorities further alleged that these channels were spreading “provocative, communally sensitive” content aimed at “inciting communal tensions”.

Indian news agency ANI shared the list on its X account.



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On April 24, a day after India announced a slew of measures, Indian media reported that the Modi-led regime had blocked the Pakistani government’s X account in the country as tensions escalated between the neighbours.


 
So anything that can challenge the Modi media narrative has been banned.....
 
So anything that can challenge the Modi media narrative has been banned.....

Indians like to spam non-Indian platforms with their propagandas but they themselves ban people who challenge BJP narratives.

Hilarious. :inti
 
@Buzzinga @IndoorCricket, I told you I haven't heard about TRF before lol and now even UNSC ignored indian narrative, @YousafTheBeast was right nobody trusts Delhi based think tanks
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Not strong enough: On Pahalgam terror attack and the UNSC statement

The UNSC Statement on Pahalgam attack appears watered down

The UN Security Council’s statement on Friday (April 25, 2025) condemning “in the strongest terms” the terrorist attack in Pahalgam, was necessary, but inadequate. According to the statement, which expressed condolences to India, and to Nepal which lost one citizen, the members of the Security Council, that include Pakistan as an elected, non-permanent member this year, “reaffirmed that terrorism in all its forms and manifestations constitutes one of the most serious threats to international peace and security”. The statement also spoke of the need to bring the perpetrators and their sponsors to justice. However, the UNSC did not name The Resistance Front (TRF) that initially claimed responsibility for the attack, and did not refer to the group’s linkages to a UNSC-designated terror outfit, the LeT. Nor did it expressly speak of cooperation with the Government of India, as it had in the past. Finally, the statement made no mention of the terrorists’ intent to target non-Muslims — an abhorrent act aimed at instigating communal tensions. A comparison with previous such statements would make it clear that the language was “watered down” given that Pakistan is a member of the Council (2025-26), and had China’s support. China has in the past sought to veto statements critical of Pakistan. It is also disappointing that the statement, which was negotiated by France’s envoy, the current UNSC President, did not bring stronger inputs from others on the Council including the U.S., Russia and the U.K.

As the government and security forces discuss counter-terror operations within Jammu and Kashmir to apprehend the terrorists and possible military options across the border, India’s next option may be to bring a more strongly worded statement to the UN General Assembly, as various countries have done in the Ukraine and Gaza conflicts. The government would no doubt be preparing to have those terrorists it has identified from the attack and the TRF itself, designated by the UNSC, much the same way as it was able to bring the designation of Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Masood Azhar as a terrorist after the Pulwama attack. In addition, India could build its case at the Financial Action Task Force, which put Pakistan on a “greylist” from 2012-15 and 2018-22, and revive its plans to pass a Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism at the United Nations. On the bilateral front, expecting assistance from Pakistan has been a dead-end in the past, despite its promises after Mumbai (2008), Pathankot (2016), and Pulwama(2019). Given the state of bilateral relations and the lack of diplomatic engagement, this is even less likely. Only a multi-pronged effort on the global stage, and the patience it showed with the extradition of Tahawwur Rana from the U.S., will ensure that India is able to follow all the threads in bringing those responsible for this brutal attack to justice and establish a durable peace.

Source: The Hindu
 
@Buzzinga @IndoorCricket, I told you I haven't heard about TRF before lol and now even UNSC ignored indian narrative, @YousafTheBeast was right nobody trusts Delhi based think tanks
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Not strong enough: On Pahalgam terror attack and the UNSC statement

The UNSC Statement on Pahalgam attack appears watered down

The UN Security Council’s statement on Friday (April 25, 2025) condemning “in the strongest terms” the terrorist attack in Pahalgam, was necessary, but inadequate. According to the statement, which expressed condolences to India, and to Nepal which lost one citizen, the members of the Security Council, that include Pakistan as an elected, non-permanent member this year, “reaffirmed that terrorism in all its forms and manifestations constitutes one of the most serious threats to international peace and security”. The statement also spoke of the need to bring the perpetrators and their sponsors to justice. However, the UNSC did not name The Resistance Front (TRF) that initially claimed responsibility for the attack, and did not refer to the group’s linkages to a UNSC-designated terror outfit, the LeT. Nor did it expressly speak of cooperation with the Government of India, as it had in the past. Finally, the statement made no mention of the terrorists’ intent to target non-Muslims — an abhorrent act aimed at instigating communal tensions. A comparison with previous such statements would make it clear that the language was “watered down” given that Pakistan is a member of the Council (2025-26), and had China’s support. China has in the past sought to veto statements critical of Pakistan. It is also disappointing that the statement, which was negotiated by France’s envoy, the current UNSC President, did not bring stronger inputs from others on the Council including the U.S., Russia and the U.K.

As the government and security forces discuss counter-terror operations within Jammu and Kashmir to apprehend the terrorists and possible military options across the border, India’s next option may be to bring a more strongly worded statement to the UN General Assembly, as various countries have done in the Ukraine and Gaza conflicts. The government would no doubt be preparing to have those terrorists it has identified from the attack and the TRF itself, designated by the UNSC, much the same way as it was able to bring the designation of Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Masood Azhar as a terrorist after the Pulwama attack. In addition, India could build its case at the Financial Action Task Force, which put Pakistan on a “greylist” from 2012-15 and 2018-22, and revive its plans to pass a Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism at the United Nations. On the bilateral front, expecting assistance from Pakistan has been a dead-end in the past, despite its promises after Mumbai (2008), Pathankot (2016), and Pulwama(2019). Given the state of bilateral relations and the lack of diplomatic engagement, this is even less likely. Only a multi-pronged effort on the global stage, and the patience it showed with the extradition of Tahawwur Rana from the U.S., will ensure that India is able to follow all the threads in bringing those responsible for this brutal attack to justice and establish a durable peace.

Source: The Hindu

No surprise that neutral commentators are reluctant to assign blame when there has been no evidence presented. The Indian govt shot themselves in the foot by taking punitive action against Pakistan before the first body had even been laid to rest. If anything it made it appear that their plans for such actions had been prepared before the horrific attack even took place....which is not a good look for India.
 
Lol even BBC is a propaganda outlet now for Modi government
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Centre pulls up BBC for its Pahalgam terror attack reporting. Here's why​

The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) is facing heat in India over its reportage of the Pahalgam terror attack that killed 26 people, mostly tourists, in Jammu and Kashmir. Several terrorists, including at least two Pakistani nationals, had opened fire at tourists in the Baisaran meadow near the tourist spot of Pahalgam on April 22.

The massacre of innocent civilians has triggered fresh tensions between India and Pakistan, which have taken ***-for-tat measures against each other. The Pahalgam terror attack and its aftermath have caught global attention. However, the Western media’s coverage of the terror attack has been criticised in India for downplaying the severity of the tragedy.

Now, BBC has come under fire. Here’s why.

BBC

The Centre has taken strong objection to BBC’s reportage of the Pahalgam terror attack . The government has shot off a formal letter to BBC’s India Head, Jackie Martin, conveying India’s strong sentiments on the UK broadcaster’s Pahalgam terror attack coverage.

“A formal letter has been sent to the BBC on terming terrorists as militants. The External Publicity Division of the MEA will be monitoring the reporting of the BBC,” an official was quoted as saying by PTI.
The government’s action comes after BBC published a report last week titled ‘Pakistan suspends visas for Indians after deadly Kashmir attack on tourists’ that drew backlash online.

Flagging the report on social media, a user said the headline sounded misleading, portraying India as the attacker
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Source: First Post
 

@Devadwal what's up in India at the moment, lol gone for negligence or face saving​

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Indian general arrested for refusing misadventure against Pakistan​


The Modi government has lost its cool as the authorities have arrested a professional army-man, Lieutenant General MV Suchindra Kumar, General Officer Commanding-in-Chief (GOC-in-C) of the Indian Army’s Northern Command, following the failure of the controversial Pahalgam false flag operation, reports said on Tuesday.

General Kumar has refused to initiate any misadvanture against Pakistan in the aftermath, leading to the collapse of the Modi government’s broader plan.

Lieutenant General M V Suchindra Kumar has reportedly been taken into custody and flown to New Delhi under tight security protocols, sources said.

The general officer was moved in an urgent and unusual manner via a specially designated vehicle.

In New Delhi, the officer is expected to undergo counselling by the army chief.

A high-profile military inquiry has been initiated following his arrival.

Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has also ordered a formal investigation, sources further revealed.

Military circles are abuzz with speculation that Lt Gen Kumar may be presented before a military court.

According to the sources, the Indian government has laid the blame for the operation’s failure, including major intelligence and security lapses, squarely on the shoulders of Lieutenant General Kumar.

As per the reports, Indian Army Lieutenant General Pratik Sharma will assume command of the Northern Command on May 1.

 

@Devadwal what's up in India at the moment, lol gone for negligence or face saving​

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Indian general arrested for refusing misadventure against Pakistan​


The Modi government has lost its cool as the authorities have arrested a professional army-man, Lieutenant General MV Suchindra Kumar, General Officer Commanding-in-Chief (GOC-in-C) of the Indian Army’s Northern Command, following the failure of the controversial Pahalgam false flag operation, reports said on Tuesday.

General Kumar has refused to initiate any misadvanture against Pakistan in the aftermath, leading to the collapse of the Modi government’s broader plan.

Lieutenant General M V Suchindra Kumar has reportedly been taken into custody and flown to New Delhi under tight security protocols, sources said.

The general officer was moved in an urgent and unusual manner via a specially designated vehicle.

In New Delhi, the officer is expected to undergo counselling by the army chief.

A high-profile military inquiry has been initiated following his arrival.

Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has also ordered a formal investigation, sources further revealed.

Military circles are abuzz with speculation that Lt Gen Kumar may be presented before a military court.

According to the sources, the Indian government has laid the blame for the operation’s failure, including major intelligence and security lapses, squarely on the shoulders of Lieutenant General Kumar.

As per the reports, Indian Army Lieutenant General Pratik Sharma will assume command of the Northern Command on May 1.

Stop posting the fake news from Pakistan propaganda factory .

Kumar has not been removed from his post. According to the official Indian Army statement, he is retiring on April 30, 2025, due to his age, which is standard procedure in the Indian Army .

Indian army Generals retire when their tenure ends, unlike Pakistan Army Generals, who push the nation to political instability to secure their extension
And please don't post fake news again .i already exposed your fake news twice today itself. :kp
 
Thanks God this is 2025 otherwise pakistan people's really believe on pakistan fake News factory . :kp
 

@Devadwal what's up in India at the moment, lol gone for negligence or face saving​

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Indian general arrested for refusing misadventure against Pakistan​


The Modi government has lost its cool as the authorities have arrested a professional army-man, Lieutenant General MV Suchindra Kumar, General Officer Commanding-in-Chief (GOC-in-C) of the Indian Army’s Northern Command, following the failure of the controversial Pahalgam false flag operation, reports said on Tuesday.

General Kumar has refused to initiate any misadvanture against Pakistan in the aftermath, leading to the collapse of the Modi government’s broader plan.

Lieutenant General M V Suchindra Kumar has reportedly been taken into custody and flown to New Delhi under tight security protocols, sources said.

The general officer was moved in an urgent and unusual manner via a specially designated vehicle.

In New Delhi, the officer is expected to undergo counselling by the army chief.

A high-profile military inquiry has been initiated following his arrival.

Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has also ordered a formal investigation, sources further revealed.

Military circles are abuzz with speculation that Lt Gen Kumar may be presented before a military court.

According to the sources, the Indian government has laid the blame for the operation’s failure, including major intelligence and security lapses, squarely on the shoulders of Lieutenant General Kumar.

As per the reports, Indian Army Lieutenant General Pratik Sharma will assume command of the Northern Command on May 1.


Seems like fake news; I can't find it anywhere but one pakistani website.

Poor diligence from the mods.
 
Pakistan source 😂😂😂😂 bhai ye fake news hai . . :kp
Indian version of this story, saying he is instead going to retire soon

Actually multiple Pakistan outlet reporting it, you guys can confirm from India though

Another source

 

@Devadwal what's up in India at the moment, lol gone for negligence or face saving​

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Indian general arrested for refusing misadventure against Pakistan​


The Modi government has lost its cool as the authorities have arrested a professional army-man, Lieutenant General MV Suchindra Kumar, General Officer Commanding-in-Chief (GOC-in-C) of the Indian Army’s Northern Command, following the failure of the controversial Pahalgam false flag operation, reports said on Tuesday.

General Kumar has refused to initiate any misadvanture against Pakistan in the aftermath, leading to the collapse of the Modi government’s broader plan.

Lieutenant General M V Suchindra Kumar has reportedly been taken into custody and flown to New Delhi under tight security protocols, sources said.

The general officer was moved in an urgent and unusual manner via a specially designated vehicle.

In New Delhi, the officer is expected to undergo counselling by the army chief.

A high-profile military inquiry has been initiated following his arrival.

Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has also ordered a formal investigation, sources further revealed.

Military circles are abuzz with speculation that Lt Gen Kumar may be presented before a military court.

According to the sources, the Indian government has laid the blame for the operation’s failure, including major intelligence and security lapses, squarely on the shoulders of Lieutenant General Kumar.

As per the reports, Indian Army Lieutenant General Pratik Sharma will assume command of the Northern Command on May 1.


Looks like BJP leadership is losing it. They are acting like headless chicken. Reminds me of some of the Indian posters here.

:qdkcheeky
 
Both are different man. Give it up .this is fake news so don't believe on Pakistan sources. They are garbage no wonder no one trust on Pakistan. :kp
Looking in haste @Devadwal
From above article 👇
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The Northern Command headquarters is located in Jammu and Kashmir's Udhampur and is directly responsible for the security of the LOC and the union territory. Lt. Gen. Sharma will replace the current Commanding-in-Chief, Lt. Gen. M V Suchindra Kumar, who is about to retire.
 
@The Bald Eagle read this .

The Northern Army commander Lieutenant General MV Suchindra Kumar will retire on April 30. Kumar was in Delhi on Tuesday for a retiring officers’ seminar but flew back to Srinagar for a first-hand assessment of the situation unfolding in Kashmir, people aware of the matter said. Lieutenant General Pratik Sharma, who is the deputy chief of army staff (strategy) at the Army headquarters here, is expected to succeed Kumar at the Northern Command

:kp
 
Looking in haste @Devadwal
From above article 👇
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The Northern Command headquarters is located in Jammu and Kashmir's Udhampur and is directly responsible for the security of the LOC and the union territory. Lt. Gen. Sharma will replace the current Commanding-in-Chief, Lt. Gen. M V Suchindra Kumar, who is about to retire.
One guy is about to retire as he is crossing certain age. Another one is replacing him.

Am i missing something? Whats there to debate?

Don't tell me Pakistani Generals or officers remain on duty till they die, that they don't retire at a certain age(60/62/65 etc)
 
You are going in circles. You are getting too old to understand sarcasm. Not sharp anymore old Cap. As PM Modi said, we will hunt terrorists to the end of this earth. Whether its china or any of its concubines, it doenst matter. Terrorists and it backers will face justice.
So @Cpt. Rishwat is too old to be taken seriously, but senior citizen Modi's bedtime stories are suddenly full of insight? :yk :inti
 
What has Palestinians done to Indians? Imagine living with so much hate towards people who are being genocide.

This image is from railways station in West Bengal.
 

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What has Palestinians done to Indians? Imagine living with so much hate towards people who are being genocide.

This image is from railways station in West Bengal.

Same thing Arab world has done for Emanuel Macron.

 
the fake factory of news coming out of Pak this time was hilarious considering how Pak posters have consistently mocked Indians for the same.
Yes, after a long long time Pakistan media has been a bit disappointing, following Indian media footsteps is embarrassing...They need to retract to their normal reporting.
 
Lol, so India will now fight war with songs, remember when they used to taunt Pakistan rightfully for it
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Pahalgam false flag: Global media exposes rising anti-Muslim hate in India

BJP leaders have allegedly incited violence against Muslims and endorsed the placement of blasphemous posters in mosques

Following the controversial Pahalgam incident, international media outlets have begun highlighting a disturbing surge in anti-Muslim sentiment across India, pointing directly at the policies of Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the ruling BJP.

According to sources, BJP leaders have allegedly incited violence against Muslims and endorsed the placement of blasphemous posters in mosques. Attacks and threats against Muslims have intensified particularly in Uttar Pradesh, Haryana, and Maharashtra.

In a shocking revelation, Al Jazeera reported that over 20 Islamophobic songs were released in India after the Pahalgam attack. The outlet also pointed to calls for an economic boycott of Muslims by BJP leader Nitesh Rane, alongside more than 21 reported incidents of anti-Muslim violence across the country.

Sources further claim that Muslim patients were denied treatment and students faced physical abuse in the wake of the attack.

A recent report by the Center for the Study of Organized Hate, Washington D.C., warns that Islamophobia is growing alarmingly in India.

“Modi is weaponizing hate against Muslims for political gains,” defense analysts say.
They add that Modi’s policies are fueling Hindu-Muslim tensions, potentially destabilizing the region.

 
Pakistan won’t initiate but will respond strongly to any Indian escalation: Dar

Pakistan initiated this by sending terrorists and now acting defensive.

Just like how they did in last 35 years by hijacking plane in Kandahar, Attacking Indian parliament, killing 120+ people in Mumbai on 26/11, Uri, Pathankot, Pulwama etc etc.

They initiate every single time and then try to act naive.
 
Pakistan initiated this by sending terrorists and now acting defensive.

Just like how they did in last 35 years by hijacking plane in Kandahar, Attacking Indian parliament, killing 120+ people in Mumbai on 26/11, Uri, Pathankot, Pulwama etc etc.

They initiate every single time and then try to act naive.

#Cowards
That's a bakhts perspective. In reality, this is all *** for tat.
 
You are yet to provide proofs in false flag thread @Rajdeep...besides they shared some audio tapes from Indian terrorists too today

Any amount of proof will not be good enough for Pakistan and they will find someexcuse. I mean after 26/11 attacks, India send dossiers after dossiers, audio tapes of handlers etc. but Pakistanis still didnt accept them. They also never agreed OBL was there in that complex. They told everyone how India only hit 10 trees in Balakot but closed that area from tourists for 2 months to clean those 10 trees.

So everyone is aware of lies and cheats of Pakistan. A global joke.
 


So can some of the delusional people here explain what India gains by killing its own people every three years .before modi we only used to do diplomatic stuff .so what did we gain by parliament attack..what did we gain by Mumbai attack and what did we gain by uri Pulwama and now pahalgam attack.

Did it make kashmiri tourism go up .did it make kashmiri love India...did it make modi win an election..is modi unpopular or at risk of losing an election ..did it impact his image of Kashmir normalcy...

Only thing it might have helped is India water but as the Pakis here point out .India has nothing. To take advantage of it

So exactly what did India gain by doing false flag attacks..there has to be a purpose..what actions did India take after the false flag attacks in Mumbai 26/11.. how did surgical strike and Balakot help India..what did India gain
 


So can some of the delusional people here explain what India gains by killing its own people every three years .before modi we only used to do diplomatic stuff .so what did we gain by parliament attack..what did we gain by Mumbai attack and what did we gain by uri Pulwama and now pahalgam attack.

Did it make kashmiri tourism go up .did it make kashmiri love India...did it make modi win an election..is modi unpopular or at risk of losing an election ..did it impact his image of Kashmir normalcy...

Only thing it might have helped is India water but as the Pakis here point out .India has nothing. To take advantage of it

So exactly what did India gain by doing false flag attacks..there has to be a purpose..what actions did India take after the false flag attacks in Mumbai 26/11.. how did surgical strike and Balakot help India..what did India gain
May be you don't watch anything besides godi media

 
Most likely recent terrorist attacks in Balochistan, which were *** for tat for something else, which was *** for tat for something else, and on and on.

Brother Ahsan...you are doing a lot of *** ***. Can you clearly tell us what you are trying to say in plain english language so that I can understand it better?

Are you saying Pakistan have done this terrorist attack in Pahalgam as a response to the concorted lie of India doing the attack in Balochistan?

If that is what you are alluding to, atleast you are acknowledging Pakistan is behind the terrorist attack in Pahalgam unlike your fellow posters here. So that is a good start.

Anything more you want to add before I grill you some more?

:kp
 
Any amount of proof will not be good enough for Pakistan and they will find someexcuse. I mean after 26/11 attacks, India send dossiers after dossiers, audio tapes of handlers etc. but Pakistanis still didnt accept them. They also never agreed OBL was there in that complex. They told everyone how India only hit 10 trees in Balakot but closed that area from tourists for 2 months to clean those 10 trees.

So everyone is aware of lies and cheats of Pakistan. A global joke.
Sorry but this is ridiculous. Indian intelligence never knew the men were crossing the LOC or Exiting but within 10 mins of the attack supposedly new they were from Pakistan. This is the level of their analysis and why we simply cannot take their claims from granted.

Indians are plunging the region into chaos, pulling us to the brink of nuclear war, threatening mass starvation of people, and threatening to break Pakistan so it's only right we ask for evidence.

All peaceful and rational people worldwide know that India has provided no evidence. It's only BJP bakhts and some random chacha in the UK who are championing this line.
 
Sorry but this is ridiculous. Indian intelligence never knew the men were crossing the LOC or Exiting but within 10 mins of the attack supposedly new they were from Pakistan. This is the level of their analysis and why we simply cannot take their claims from granted.

Indians are plunging the region into chaos, pulling us to the brink of nuclear war, threatening mass starvation of people, and threatening to break Pakistan so it's only right we ask for evidence.

All peaceful and rational people worldwide know that India has provided no evidence. It's only BJP bakhts and some random chacha in the UK who are championing this line.

Exactly, even if the timestamps are slightly off, the absurdity remains intact. At 3:05, India had “hard evidence” of Pakistan’s involvement, it was all over the media, but at 2:55, just five minutes earlier, they had no intelligence to prevent the attack in one of the most heavily militarized zones in the world? Either their intelligence is omniscient after the fact or completely blind when it actually matters. You can’t have it both ways.

And if you look at the global response, the message is clear, condemn the violence, yes, but no one rushed to echo India’s claims or directly implicate Pakistan. That silence speaks volumes. World leaders aren’t buying the neatly packaged narrative this time.

As for Modi, threatening to cut off water, that's not strategy, that’s panic. It's a desperate attempt to appear decisive while cornered, with no real plan forward. When you're out of options and start reaching for extreme moves that violate treaties and invite global backlash, you’re not projecting strength, you’re advertising confusion.
 
Sorry but this is ridiculous. Indian intelligence never knew the men were crossing the LOC or Exiting but within 10 mins of the attack supposedly new they were from Pakistan. This is the level of their analysis and why we simply cannot take their claims from granted.

Indians are plunging the region into chaos, pulling us to the brink of nuclear war, threatening mass starvation of people, and threatening to break Pakistan so it's only right we ask for evidence.

All peaceful and rational people worldwide know that India has provided no evidence. It's only BJP bakhts and some random chacha in the UK who are championing this line.

99.99% of the issues in subcontient are tied to India. India have issues with Pakistan, China, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, and Maldives.
If there was no India, subcontinent could've had uninterrupted peace. :inti
 
Sorry but this is ridiculous. Indian intelligence never knew the men were crossing the LOC or Exiting but within 10 mins of the attack supposedly new they were from Pakistan. This is the level of their analysis and why we simply cannot take their claims from granted.

Indians are plunging the region into chaos, pulling us to the brink of nuclear war, threatening mass starvation of people, and threatening to break Pakistan so it's only right we ask for evidence.

All peaceful and rational people worldwide know that India has provided no evidence. It's only BJP bakhts and some random chacha in the UK who are championing this line.

That is silly thing to say na?

American intelligence couldnt stop 9/11 and 16 men hijacking the planes. However they quickly got to know it was Bin Laden and Al Qaeda behind it. Similarly any terrorist attacks in India will obviously due to intelligence failure. Afterall no will deliberately allow terrorists to come and kill its people. But like 9/11, there is no doubt that any terrorist attacks in kashmir and wider India has Pakistani hand behind it. It was Indias intelligence failure for sure...however that does not mean it was not perpetrated from Pakistan.

Also I know the record book for some here stops with BJP and bhakts but Rahul Gandhi, Asaduddin Owaisi etc are not BJP Bhakts. Everyone has blamed Pakistan for it. The fact that those terrorists were not from or funded by Pakistan is not even in anyones mind, BJP supporters, BJP haters doesnt matter. Only in this forum I am hearing Pakistan is not behind Pahalgam attack..lol. Like they were not behind 26/11 or OBL was not hiding there. Comical ali stuff.

The only difference is BJP Bhakts are not blaming Modi for this security lapse and vice versa for opposition. The fact that Pakistan is behind this attack is unanimousy accepted by everyone.
 
That is silly thing to say na?

American intelligence couldnt stop 9/11 and 16 men hijacking the planes. However they quickly got to know it was Bin Laden and Al Qaeda behind it. Similarly any terrorist attacks in India will obviously due to intelligence failure. Afterall no will deliberately allow terrorists to come and kill its people. But like 9/11, there is no doubt that any terrorist attacks in kashmir and wider India has Pakistani hand behind it. It was Indias intelligence failure for sure...however that does not mean it was not perpetrated from Pakistan.

Also I know the record book for some here stops with BJP and bhakts but Rahul Gandhi, Asaduddin Owaisi etc are not BJP Bhakts. Everyone has blamed Pakistan for it. The fact that those terrorists were not from or funded by Pakistan is not even in anyones mind, BJP supporters, BJP haters doesnt matter. Only in this forum I am hearing Pakistan is not behind Pahalgam attack..lol. Like they were not behind 26/11 or OBL was not hiding there. Comical ali stuff.

The only difference is BJP Bhakts are not blaming Modi for this security lapse and vice versa for opposition. The fact that Pakistan is behind this attack is unanimousy accepted by everyone.
Not after 5 minutes.
 
Brother Ahsan...you are doing a lot of *** ***. Can you clearly tell us what you are trying to say in plain english language so that I can understand it better?

Are you saying Pakistan have done this terrorist attack in Pahalgam as a response to the concorted lie of India doing the attack in Balochistan?

If that is what you are alluding to, atleast you are acknowledging Pakistan is behind the terrorist attack in Pahalgam unlike your fellow posters here. So that is a good start.

Anything more you want to add before I grill you some more?

:kp
If your "grilling" will be that it is just not possible India can support terrorism, India is a 4 year old innocent child that everyone picks on, then I don't have to discuss with you except to say, it doesn't matter what you believe. This is what Pakistan believes, and so it will act accordingly.
 
If your "grilling" will be that it is just not possible India can support terrorism, India is a 4 year old innocent child that everyone picks on, then I don't have to discuss with you except to say, it doesn't matter what you believe. This is what Pakistan believes, and so it will act accordingly.
Good. Please also tell this to your fellow posters here or your jailed ex PM who calls all of these as False flag and acts all innocent. Appreciate that at least you are being honest and blunt.

As far as India doing terrorism, show me one terrorist event in the world done by India. However if we look at history from Daniel Pearl to Bin Laden, from London Bridge to Mumbai etc etc etc...you will find all these infamous stories are somehow linked to Pakistan.

Whattay country

:misbah
 
So Imran Riaz Khan Channel and Moeed Pirzada Channels still enable in India, ironic sack the person who made the list.
 
Good. Please also tell this to your fellow posters here or your jailed ex PM who calls all of these as False flag and acts all innocent. Appreciate that at least you are being honest and blunt.

As far as India doing terrorism, show me one terrorist event in the world done by India. However if we look at history from Daniel Pearl to Bin Laden, from London Bridge to Mumbai etc etc etc...you will find all these infamous stories are somehow linked to Pakistan.

Whattay country

:misbah
There's no evidence of Pakistani government's involvement in the attacks you mentioned.

As for one event done by India, how about recent assassination attempts in US and Canada.

For some reasons, bakhts can't even digest or fathom the idea that India can do terrorism. The possibility doesn't even cross your minds. You guys call Pakistanis brainwashed, but they don't even come close to your level of indoctrination.
 
Good. Please also tell this to your fellow posters here or your jailed ex PM who calls all of these as False flag and acts all innocent. Appreciate that at least you are being honest and blunt.

As far as India doing terrorism, show me one terrorist event in the world done by India. However if we look at history from Daniel Pearl to Bin Laden, from London Bridge to Mumbai etc etc etc...you will find all these infamous stories are somehow linked to Pakistan.

Whattay country

:misbah
To add to my previous post, if you guys are unable to accept the bloody obvious Indian involvement in terrorism then don't except others to do the same.
 
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