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Is Pakistan the best bowling unit in the 2017 Champions Trophy?

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pakistanisgreat

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I know we conceded 300+ against India. However, this bowling conceded less than 200 back to back one against number 1 side.

I know Bangladesh score less than 200 against SL and South Africa scored less than 200 against India.
 
Both SA and SL made over 200. The team that conceded two less than 200 scores one against no 1 team is India. They did concede a 300+ score but so did Pakistan.
 
pakistanisgreat said:
I know we conceded 300+ against India. However, this bowling conceded less than 200 back to back one against number 1 side.

I know Bangladesh score less than 200 against SL and South Africa scored less than 200 against India.
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Really? When?
 
It is an average attack. SL and SA were poor, we didn't bowl particularly well.
 
But this Bowling unit compromises batting. Hafeez and Imad's batting is very poor and over rated. Hafeez is proven match failure in ICC events since 2007.
 
Mamoon said:
It is an average attack. SL and SA were poor, we didn't bowl particularly well.
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All round ability it's the best attack. Two left armers who can extract movement with good accuracy. Right arm bowler who can mix it up well, one left arm spinner and one leggie. All 5 on their day are match winners. No other team has 5 quality bowlers.
 
KingKhanWC said:
All round ability it's the best attack. Two left armers who can extract movement with good accuracy. Right arm bowler who can mix it up well, one left arm spinner and one leggie. All 5 on their day are match winners. No other team has 5 quality bowlers.
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exactly, plus restricting teams below 250 is not a joke on those tracks.
 
pakistanisgreat said:
Please do not even mention our batting. I am at work today, could not focus on my job. i was praying for these fool batsman entire time.
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I work at a call centre, working full time now because school is finished, and my calls where so bad, and just transferring calls becuase i was so focused on this match, just kept reading cricinfo ball after ball, i felt like i was going to get a heart attack
 
pakistanisgreat said:
Please do not even mention our batting. I am at work today, could not focus on my job. i was praying for these fool batsman entire time.
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I had to take an extended "lunch" break and head home so that I see the boys come home or perish in the process, the tension was killing me and I couldn't work. Perks of living just 10 mins away from work.
 
Best bowling? Not at all. Where's the spin? Play shadab against England AND Faheem
 
Not even close.

Only Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have poorer bowling average than Pakistan in this tournament so far.

Bangladesh - 59.63
Sri Lanka - 45.10
Pakistan - 36.85
New Zealand - 35.05
South Africa - 34.33
England - 32.20
India - 30.77
Australia - 29.70

Sure numbers alone don't determine which unit is better, but a line up with 3rd worst average among 8 team can't even be thought to be best.
 
Nope, Australia was for the Best bowling attack. India/England for batting
 
No, India has the best bowling unit IMO, closely followed by England. We are 3rd.

But a very bright future awaits us.
 
In my opinion Pakistan has the most complete attack.

India has 3 excellent bowlers (when Ashwin plays) and two mediocre ones. South Africa also had 3 excellent bowlers and others were average. England has 2-3 excellent bowlers but I wouldn't expect much from Moeen or Rashid against most teams.

Australia had 4 very good bowlers until they dropped Zampa but there was a serious lack of variety. Even New Zealand had 3 good pace bowlers followed by mediocrity to make up the rest of their attack.

What Pakistan has is a good number of bowling options. 3 good pace bowlers. 3 good spinners. In terms of a complete attack with no outright weaknesses I think Pakistan's is the best. That is not to say that other teams don't have better bowlers which make their attacks more dangerous namely India, South Africa and England.
 
Average or above average, this bowling line up has won two major matches for us while other teams have hardly won one match based on their bowling.

Yeah yeah I know, India bundled us out for less than 200 too but I have yet to be convinced that India have better bowling than us.

I am optimistic that our bowling performance against England will strengthen the perceptions that Pakistan has the best bowling unit in champions trophy.

Our bowling has been immensely underrated throughout the tournament. We do have the best bowling unit in the tournament.

We will win this tournament based on our bowling.
 
Sri Lanka's batsmen were certainly brought crashing down to earth after their luxury cruise against the Indian bowlers. :djb
 
we may not have the best attack, but we have a very varied attack.

off spin.
leg spin.
left arm orthodox.
left arm pace.
right arm pace.
right arm medium pace.
partial reverse swing capability.

if amir gets his groove back and starts getting a wicket or two in his first spell, it will be a pretty solid attack.

australian attack is over hyped. they have no quality spin option. and two good bowlers.
england lacks the left arm angle.
india is definitely quality right now.
i personally like bangldesh too but rubel and mashrafe are ordinary. fizz with old ball is good tho.

the numbers don't do justice to pakistan's bowling in this tournament, they had one bad match and that's about it.

india, england, bangladesh, and pakistan - in no particular order would be the top bowling sides too based on this particular tournament and hence the reason they are in semi-finals.
 
Muhammad10 said:
Sri Lanka's batsmen were certainly brought crashing down to earth after their luxury cruise against the Indian bowlers. :djb
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And on earth they met Pakistani bowlers like Imad who Pandya hammered for 3 consecutive sixes... followed by getting out first ball to the same Pandya.
 
Napa said:
And on earth they met Pakistani bowlers like Imad who Pandya hammered for 3 consecutive sixes... followed by getting out first ball to the same Pandya.
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Imad is the same legend who handed AB his first golden duck ever.
He's clearly a level above Pandya when it comes to swag. :djb
 
Muhammad10 said:
Imad is the same legend who handed AB his first golden duck ever.
He's clearly a level above Pandya when it comes to swag. :djb
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No player in ODIs, I repeat no player, has ever been demolished by another in an ODI like Pandya demolished Imad.

3 consecutive sixes, 19 runs @ S/R 380, followed by getting Imad out first ball.

If you don't agree, do tell which player has hammered another both ways like Pandya hammered Imad.
 
Hassan,Amir,Junaid are killer also Shadab this attack suddenly becomes lethal

Rumman,Abbas as replacements were talking quality
 
Napa said:
No player in ODIs, I repeat no player, has ever been demolished by another in an ODI like Pandya demolished Imad.

3 consecutive sixes, 19 runs @ S/R 380, followed by getting Imad out first ball.

If you don't agree, do tell which player has hammered another both ways like Pandya hammered Imad.
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I was only being half serious, but you seem to be dwelling too much on a rather coincidental matter. A spinner (darter) bowling the last over against a side with plenty of wickets in hand is likely to go for plenty. He threw his wicket away, as did most of our batsmen, but the game was pretty much done and dusted when he walked in to bat against India, so I didn't read too much into it.

Today's dismissal against Sri Lanka, when the game was in the balance, was far more irksome for me, and I reckon we should look beyond Imad after the Champions Trophy if he fails in the remaining games. Still a quality T20I player, though.
 
pakistanisgreat said:
I know we conceded 300+ against India. However, this bowling conceded less than 200 back to back one against number 1 side.

I know Bangladesh score less than 200 against SL and South Africa scored less than 200 against India.
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On paper I would have gone for Oz.
 
New Yorker said:
On paper I would have gone for Oz.
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yeah before the CT no body was expecting this performance from our team. However, the way they bowled in last 2 games just incredible. Specially after the first game the way they came back against number 1 team.
 
Muhammad10 said:
I was only being half serious, but you seem to be dwelling too much on a rather coincidental matter. A spinner (darter) bowling the last over against a side with plenty of wickets in hand is likely to go for plenty. He threw his wicket away, as did most of our batsmen, but the game was pretty much done and dusted when he walked in to bat against India, so I didn't read too much into it.

Today's dismissal against Sri Lanka, when the game was in the balance, was far more irksome for me, and I reckon we should look beyond Imad after the Champions Trophy if he fails in the remaining games. Still a quality T20I player, though.
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The way he got out today, it is totally unacceptable.
 
Napa said:
No player in ODIs, I repeat no player, has ever been demolished by another in an ODI like Pandya demolished Imad.

3 consecutive sixes, 19 runs @ S/R 380, followed by getting Imad out first ball.

If you don't agree, do tell which player has hammered another both ways like Pandya hammered Imad.
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spinner is not suppposed to bowl last over,that was pandya luck otherwise he is a hack with the bat...
 
AlizeeFan said:
Not even close.

Only Sri Lanka and Bangladesh have poorer bowling average than Pakistan in this tournament so far.

Bangladesh - 59.63
Sri Lanka - 45.10
Pakistan - 36.85
New Zealand - 35.05
South Africa - 34.33
England - 32.20
India - 30.77
Australia - 29.70

Sure numbers alone don't determine which unit is better, but a line up with 3rd worst average among 8 team can't even be thought to be best.
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Numbers are not going to determine the best, but you can't be in bottom 3 in average and also be the best bowling side. Having said that , 3 matches don't give you big enough sample size. 10+ matches are more meaningful.
 
India shot out 4 teams including warm up for below 200. Only once on a patta wicket and a much easier batting friendly conditions they conceded 300 plus. India has the most well rounded attack having world no.1/ no.2 test spinner in their side along with much improved seamers. Only thing they lack is a left arm seamer
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India shot out 4 teams including warm up for below 200. Only once on a patta wicket and a much easier batting friendly conditions they conceded 300 plus. India has the most well rounded attack having world no.1/ no.2 test spinner in their side along with much improved seamers. Only thing they lack is a left arm seamer
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we are talking about bowling first restricting opposition below 250. For most teams it was difficult due to batting pitches, for instance for us in the first game. However, in the remaining two games we restrict SA an SL below 250.
 
We are forming a very good attack. Amir is good support for Hasan Ali. Junaid Khan is getting back to form. We have an attacking leggie in Shadab.

Overall a good attack.
 
India is the only team to bowl out 2 opposition for a score less than 200, clearly we have been the best bowling attack in this tournament.
 
DRsohail said:
spinner is not suppposed to bowl last over,that was pandya luck otherwise he is a hack with the bat...
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Yeah, sure... and his 50 average in ODIs is also just luck.

India always gets lucky with Pakistan, and apparently will continue doing so in the future.
 
Yes, yes it is, we have a great pace attack and a great spin attack. What more could you ask of, It is the best bowling line-up in this champions trophy and will lead us eventually to our first ever Champions Trophy Triumph.
 
Napa said:
Yeah, sure... and his 50 average in ODIs is also just luck.

India always gets lucky with Pakistan, and apparently will continue doing so in the future.
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i was tellling u about that sixes....u were making him a great bat which he is not yet..he hs the potential..
 
mohan11 said:
LoL .. short term memory loss, forget the mayhem against India.
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Lol at Pakistani fans. It's always they are the best at something, there is no middle ground. Eng and India have done well statistically, bu stillt pak is the best rounded attack with no regular spinner. Amazing.
 
pakistanisgreat said:
we are talking about bowling first restricting opposition below 250. For most teams it was difficult due to batting pitches, for instance for us in the first game. However, in the remaining two games we restrict SA an SL below 250.
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This pitch was not a batting pitch. Team playing when everything to lose vs Whe a Team playing with nothing to lose. Pressure factor kicks in. Batting first vs Batting second. That also matters. Pakistan spin attack is poorer than Afghanistan spin attack to say the least. None of the pacers have any real variety to trouble good batsmen who don't choke. Typically pakistan always has atleast one bowler who opposition would be afraid of. With Ajmal gone, Aamir bowling is barely above average nobody is going to quack in their boots against them. Didn't BD absolutely thrash them in the warm ups? http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/1096981.html
 
pakistanisgreat said:
we are talking about bowling first restricting opposition below 250. For most teams it was difficult due to batting pitches, for instance for us in the first game. However, in the remaining two games we restrict SA an SL below 250.
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Yesterday's pitch was not batting pitch.Heard commentators say this is best pitch for bowling in this CT.
 
Australia followed by India has the best bowling attack. Then its Pakistan and South Africa respectively. Only reason for placing SA above Pakistan is SA's main bowler Rabada was not in form. NZ attack is over rated. They are quality only when their is help.
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
India is the only team to bowl out 2 opposition for a score less than 200, clearly we have been the best bowling attack in this tournament.
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Overrated bowling attack, they have good batting and good fielders, but bowling is overrated.
 
nextover666666 said:
Overrated bowling attack, they have good batting and good fielders, but bowling is overrated.
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why overrated ? just because we had one bad game out of 3? As per OP, Pakistan has the best bowling attack, what happened to that attack which gave away 320 runs in 48 overs?
 
Only team so far to make a mockery of England's "deep" batting lineup. Best bowling attack for sure
 
Pakistan or India.

India destroyed us and Bangladesh in the warm ups aswell.
 
India bowl well as a unit but Pakistani bowlers are something else when they are on fire. Most of them can win a match on their own whereas Indian bowlers mostly depend on scoreboard pressure or wait for the opposition batsman to make mistakes.
 
Aman said:
Pakistan or India.

India destroyed us and Bangladesh in the warm ups aswell.
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You are taking warm ups too seriously. Same Bangladesh is in the semi final. They competed well against England in their group match too.
 
thehub said:
why overrated ? just because we had one bad game out of 3? As per OP, Pakistan has the best bowling attack, what happened to that attack which gave away 320 runs in 48 overs?
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87 RUNS came from Wahab who we all know is not a good bowler, not to mention that amir got injured, and than imad had to bowl the last over.
 
nextover666666 said:
87 RUNS came from Wahab who we all know is not a good bowler, not to mention that amir got injured, and than imad had to bowl the last over.
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70/1 from your best bowler of the tournament. Yes Amir smartly left the scene around the time our batsmen were ready to go for it. we all know how well he bowls at the death. your other best spinner Imad Wasim went for 3 sixers in the last over.. overall went over 60+ runs, people here were crying to drop him.
 
Champions Trophy 2017 : Pakistan has two bowlers in the top five wicket takers, India has none

Soo much for listening to the crap that India has the best bowlers, there bowling is much better the Pakistan.

By the end of the tournament, Pakistan has 2 pacers in the top 5, India has no one as of yet
 
No need for 1 or two performers.. Our entire bowling attack hunts in pack, Ashwin, Jadeja, Jadhav, Bumrah, Yadav, bhuvi all of them have performed at crucial times..
 
No one claims India has the best bowlers here. They all say that in ICC tournaments Indian bowlers do well as a unit. That's it.
 
Cause Pakistani spinners like Imad and Hafeez suck and don't take wickets. Only 10 wickets right?
 
Who in the right mind say that India has individual better bowler than Pakistan?
 
Brother from beyond the border calm down. Let's bump this thread after the final. Still Hasan Ali will probably be better but he needs to bowl on these roads to give us a full picture of his range. So the finals at the oval will be a good test.
 
No need for this thread. India do have a very good bowling lineup where all contribute.
 
thehub said:
70/1 from your best bowler of the tournament. Yes Amir smartly left the scene around the time our batsmen were ready to go for it. we all know how well he bowls at the death. your other best spinner Imad Wasim went for 3 sixers in the last over.. overall went over 60+ runs, people here were crying to drop him.
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Compare Hasan and Imad's bowling vs other teams compared to against us. Other teams don't know how to play Pakistani bowling plus used pitches helped them a bit. We do. Hence our domination.
 
OP needs to take cricket lesson. you don't have to have best bowler to have best bowling attack.

When Sachin was number 1 as a batsman in 90s, Indian batting lineup was still one of the average batting lineups in the world. Windies, Aus, SA had better batting lineup. But Sachin was there in the top 3, if not number 1 most of 90s.
 
Pakistan Team as a bowling unit is head shoulder and Freaking towers obove any other living being here in
ICC.

forget records and past encounters etc they might give you comfort but out their in field This unit is doing
something no other team is able to do even remotely close to it

I respect Indian Bowling unit but they clearly have limitations as exposed by Lanka and Bangla desh today
 
Indian bowling this tournament has been best so far closely followed by Pakistani bowling.. However Hasan Ali has been the best bowler of this tournament so far closely followed by Bumrah and then bhuvi..
 
fight_club said:
Pakistan Team as a bowling unit is head shoulder and Freaking towers obove any other living being here in
ICC.

forget records and past encounters etc they might give you comfort but out their in field This unit is doing
something no other team is able to do even remotely close to it

I respect Indian Bowling unit but they clearly have limitations as exposed by Lanka and Bangla desh today
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No. This is a flat pitch and Bang are way below par. Bangladesh scored 300+ against Pak in the warmups.
 
generally its been teh Indian batting that wins them matches..teams know they must get 300 or else, this adds more pressure to the team batting..that in turn helps the indian bowlers..its been the formula for over a decade now..
 
What are the total number of wickets taken by pakistan to india in the same number of matches. This will give you an idea of bowling of a team and not individual wickets
 
Indias attack is just as good as pakistans tourney, the difference between the two sides is the batting line ups, as is an average batting line up and India have a world class batting line up.

If India make final their bowlers will cause our batting problems.
 
I am from Bd. Let me offer a neutral perspective. Individually Pk bowlers are better: Amir and Hasan are superior to any Indian quick. However as a group India are better as they work to plans AND are backed by a top fielding unit.
 
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