Is Sanath Jayasuriya one of All-Time Greats in ODIs or just a Sri Lankan great?

[SLcric123]

His stats dont do justice to his stature in odis given the sort of impact he had and the way he revolutionised odi batting in 90s and emerged as a destructive opener.

Was a lot more than just a part time spinner and won the semis of 96 with the bowl vs India after winning QF vs England with the bat.

Also, how would you compare him vs another SL great Aravinda de Silva?

 

[Slog]

ODI ATG
Srilankan ATG in all formats

He revolutionised opening in limited overs cricket. 90+ SR throughout his career is fantastic

 

[R0H1T]

Among the top 5 ODI openers ever, the stats won't show this but Sanath>>Amla in ODI, taking into account his bowling & we have an ODI ATG, easily among the top 20 ever to play this form of the game.

 

[Gilly]

There is no exact definition of a ATG player and I don't know where Jayasuriya sits but I do know he was a fantastic batsman.

 

[soso_killer]

i don't think so, has a poor record against good attacks and averaged under 30 in WC too.
Let's be consistent when assessing players, we can't have different parameters when judging players. That's untenable.

 

[soso_killer]

Among the top 5 ODI openers ever, the stats won't show this but Sanath>>Amla in ODI, taking into account his bowling & we have an ODI ATG, easily among the top 20 ever to play this form of the game.

Based on what criteria?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not ATG but special player.

Like Yuvi.

One of the best ever openers in the game.

 

[Tekcirc]

An ODI ATG without a shadow of doubt.

For the deception in stats remove his career till 1996.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

From 1996 to 2006

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Solid numbers for a devastating bat.

Maybe he is very close to ATG bat in ODIs due to impact quotient. Not sure if he is bonafide ATG bat.

 

[TahirFan]

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Odi ATG.

One of he most feared player when i started watching cricket in 1996.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Him and Kalu revolutionized odi opening.

 

[todfod 11]

One of the most destructive opening batsmen of all time.. For the person above who said he was not good against better bowling attacks.. He is the same guy who struck 11sixes in an inning against pakistan bowling attack which was one of the best bowling unit of that time. His 189 against India was one of the most brutal innings in ODIs.

Sanath jayasuriya>>Sehwag

 

[Pantani]

Absolutely wonderful player. You have to remember that in addition to being one of the most feared openers in world cricket, he took over 400 wickets for Sri Lanka as well.

1996 World Cup was entirely his. Even in the semifinals where he failed with the bat, he ripped through India with a magical spell of 7-1-12-3. Took the game changing wickets of Tendulkar and Manjrekar.

Much better than so called atgs like Amla who have never done anything outside of bilaterals.

 

[Hasan123]

Odi atg for me. He changed odi batting at the top of the order and he had impact on the game. He was a feared batsmen and if he came off Sri Lanka would be close to victory.

I'll rate him as atg in odis any day.

 

[Pantani]

I remember watching him slaughter Australia at the SCG in 2003. By the time he got out for 122, the score was 1/230 in the 33rd over. 7 an over for the first 33 overs, just unheard of scoring rates for those days.

 

[Pantani]

Based on what criteria?

World Cups won: Jayasuriya one, Amla nil.

World cup semi final matchwinning performance: Jayasuriya one, Amla nil.

World Cup quarter final matchwinning performance: Jayasuriya one, Amla nil.

Case closed.

You can take your averages and your tough attacks and go somewhere with that. Only World Cups count. No tougher stage. And Jayasuriya dominated 1996 like no South African except maybe klusner in '99 ever has!

 

[Pantani]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_HXvZ6ibXvY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=oXPCF5SuUaQ

Savaging fearsome Australian attacks in their own back yard

 

[Amirforpresident]

My favourite opener alongside Saeed Anwar and Sehwag.

 

[Ab Fan]

He was an all round package who could win big games for his team..

Won the quarter final vs England scoring 82 of 44 balls.

Won semis vs India with the bowl ending up with figures of 3-12 (7 overs).

Was the player of series in 1996 WC..And has got some really great knocks too.

As a cricketer, he is surely up there as a lower tier ATG.

 

[Hitman]

Was one of my favorite ODI batsman of the 90's. I used to watch Sri Lankan games just to see him bat. But was way too inconsistent. I'd prefer someone like Hayden or Ponting over him on any given day.

 

[hitthestump]

ATG. Was a handful vs any attack on any surface. Even more remarkable was his era had the likes of Warne, Wasim, Mcgrath, Donald, Ambrose, Walsh etc.

 

[Kianig89]

An ATG complete package batting bowling fielding and captaincy not to mention his comm. Skills #wikut

He use to send shivers down the spine of bowlers particularly Indian trundlers ask Prasad Mohanty Agarkar etal.

 

[Kianig89]

Not sure why some Posters are degrading Sanath probably they haven't him in live games one word to describe him "DEadly Player"

 

[AFM]

Definitely an ODI great. Opens in my ATG ODI XI

S Jayasuriya
S Tendulkar
V Kohli
V Richards
A Devilliers
M Dohni
A Symonds
W Akram
M Starc
S Mushtaq
J Garner

 

[Bhaijaan]

1. Started off as a spinner who could bat a bit for a minnow cricketing nation
2. Revolutionized ODI cricket with his ultra aggressive batting top of the order.
3. Played a big part in cricketing minnow Sri Lanka lifting the 1996 world cup and turning into a force in world cricket in all formats in years to come.


A cricketer whose worth, contributions and greatness cannot be summarized in mere numbers. A definite great of the game as far as i'm concerned. There are greats who get forgotten soon enough, not Sanath Jayasuriya. An absolute icon whose stories ardent cricket followers of the 90s will continue to tell their children and grand children.

I can only imagine the carnage he would have brought to T20s cricket in his prime. Even a 40 year old one was hard to contain by the best of them. The way he took apart Akhtar in the inaugural IPL will remain stuck in my memory. Once in a lifetime player and even better human being.

 

[Syed1]

Definitely an ODI great. Opens in my ATG ODI XI

S Jayasuriya
S Tendulkar
V Kohli
V Richards
A Devilliers
M Dohni
A Symonds
W Akram
M Starc
S Mushtaq
J Garner

Starc might be good but he is dwarfed quite spectacularly in that team.

He is nowhere near ATG quality at the moment. Primarily because he doesn't last a full season without injury. Surely someone like a McGrath or even an alrounder like IK gets in the side ahead of Starc.

 

[Syed1]

Sanath's square cut was a thing of beauty. Very, very dangerous batsman. In the days of when Lanka were our whipping boys I would always be hoping that Waz or Vicky dismiss him early because he was the main guy to turn the game in Lanka's favour.

 

[AFM]

Starc might be good but he is dwarfed quite spectacularly in that team.

He is nowhere near ATG quality at the moment. Primarily because he doesn't last a full season without injury. Surely someone like a McGrath or even an alrounder like IK gets in the side ahead of Starc.

Starc dominated in the most bat friendly World Cup. In a tournament where 300 was an average score, Starc had an average of 11 and ER of 3.5. That to me is the greatest ODI bowling achievement of all time.

 

[Syed1]

Starc dominated in the most bat friendly World Cup. In a tournament where 300 was an average score, Starc had an average of 11 and ER of 3.5. That to me is the greatest ODI bowling achievement of all time.

A period of 8-10 matches in home conditions doesn't make one an ATG.



ATG status is achieved through peak performance for a sustained period of time. Adam Voges retired with second highest test average after Bradman but nobody even regards him as great let alone ATG. This is because he hardly played a match.

 

[AFM]

A period of 8-10 matches in home conditions doesn't make one an ATG.



ATG status is achieved through peak performance for a sustained period of time. Adam Voges retired with second highest test average after Bradman but nobody even regards him as great let alone ATG. This is because he hardly played a match.

He's been playing ODI's for a few years now. Econ around 4 and avg under 20. In a batting friendly decade.

 

[Square Drive]

ODI ATG without a doubt.

 

[Square Drive]

People are forgetting that this guy had 300+ ODI wickets too at an average of 36-odd.

I think in today's day, he would even make it to quite a few sides as a specialist spinner, let alone a batsman who can score 13k+ ODI runs by the end of his career!

Gem of a cricketer.

 

[shaz619]

ATG and hall of famer, not just a game changing fantastic batsman but one hell of an all rounder as well

 

[Markhor]

You just had to get Jayasuriya out early otherwise you knew he could do serious damage. As a bowler there was such little margin for error, give him slightest of width and he'd punish you.

He had strong wrists and his cut shots square of the wicket were sublime. Such a clean hitter of the ball, would fit right into the T20 era.

Will never forget his hundred vs England at Headlingley in 2006, the England bowling figures were an absolute mess. And of course the 1996 WC which was his finest hour. As mentioned, he was no mug with the ball. He was turning the ball at right angles on that bone dry Kolkata pitch in the semi-final.

 

[Justcrazy]

Not a all time great , consistency was not there .

But a very very useful player in shorter formats

 

[Dr_Bassim]

He might or might not be an ODI ATG.

But he is the reason I started watching cricket along with Kalu.

People bring up Amla and his stats.

An honest question.

Would someone start watching ODI cricket seeing Sanath bat or would someone start watching Amla bat?

Everyone knows the answer.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Easy ATG in ODIs. Jayasuriya has revolutionized batting for openers in the format. Before Gilly or Sehwag it was Jayasurya

 

[notAgainPlease]

If you didn watch live cricket in 90s then you wont know his impact on cricket. He changed the game for ever.

 

[todfod 11]

Not sure why some Posters are degrading Sanath probably they haven't him in live games one word to describe him "DEadly Player"

Exactly.. They have not felt that tremor..

 

[todfod 11]

He might or might not be an ODI ATG.

But he is the reason I started watching cricket along with Kalu.

People bring up Amla and his stats.

An honest question.

Would someone start watching ODI cricket seeing Sanath bat or would someone start watching Amla bat?

Everyone knows the answer.

Amla stands no where when it comes to popularity as well. Sanath was one of the most feared name and I remeber Sri lankan cricket changed forever after his hard hitting at the top.
Amla still hasnt maanaged to impact in a bigger event yet. He flops when the time comes.

 

[Bilal7]

Not an ATG. Can't be with a paltry average of 30, albeit possessing the ability to play some absolute blinders. His WC record isn't great either, apart from one or two quality knocks. Sanath, Gilly, Hayden, Anwar and Sehwag are all a little overrated. Sure they got the team off to a good start with a pretty 20 or 30 but these 20s and 30s don't win you matches.

Neither of these batsmen are ATGs, I'll appreciate how they changed the ODI game and wrested it from duds like Gavasker but nostalgia won't blind me. Gilly, Anwar and Sanath are greats, not ATGs.

A shame Jayasuriya didn't get to play more T20s, he would have been a real star in that format.

 

[todfod 11]

Not an ATG. Can't be with a paltry average of 30, albeit possessing the ability to play some absolute blinders. His WC record isn't great either, apart from one or two quality knocks. Sanath, Gilly, Hayden, Anwar and Sehwag are all a little overrated. Sure they got the team off to a good start with a pretty 20 or 30 but these 20s and 30s don't win you matches.

Neither of these batsmen are ATGs, I'll appreciate how they changed the ODI game and wrested it from duds like Gavasker but nostalgia won't blind me. Gilly, Anwar and Sanath are greats, not ATGs.

A shame Jayasuriya didn't get to play more T20s, he would have been a real star in that format.

Can u name some all time great openers then??

 

[jeetu]

Can u name some all time great openers then??

Sachin is best , rest can be picked from this list.
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[tr][td]HM Amla (SA) [/td][td]2008-2017 [/td][td]145 [/td][td]6850 [/td][td]50.74 [/td][td]89.42 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar (INDIA) [/td][td]1994-2012 [/td][td]344 [/td][td]15310 [/td][td]48.29 [/td][td]88.05 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]75 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Guptill (NZ) [/td][td]2009-2017 [/td][td]121 [/td][td]4789 [/td][td]46.04 [/td][td]88.8 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TM Dilshan (SL) [/td][td]2008-2016 [/td][td]179 [/td][td]7367 [/td][td]46.04 [/td][td]89.08 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]1975-1991 [/td][td]120 [/td][td]4993 [/td][td]45.39 [/td][td]64.65 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2008 [/td][td]148 [/td][td]5892 [/td][td]44.3 [/td][td]78.7 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ME Waugh (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2002 [/td][td]141 [/td][td]5729 [/td][td]44.06 [/td][td]76.74 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Kirsten (SA) [/td][td]1993-2003 [/td][td]175 [/td][td]6647 [/td][td]41.8 [/td][td]72.25 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SC Ganguly (INDIA) [/td][td]1996-2007 [/td][td]242 [/td][td]9146 [/td][td]41.57 [/td][td]73.59 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]58 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes (WI) [/td][td]1978-1994 [/td][td]238 [/td][td]8648 [/td][td]41.37 [/td][td]63.09 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]57 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GA Gooch (ENG) [/td][td]1978-1995 [/td][td]100 [/td][td]3828 [/td][td]40.29 [/td][td]62.12 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

 

[Ab Fan]

Can u name some all time great openers then??

I think considering the value a player adds to the game, these four would make it to the ATG openers list:

Sachin
Gilly
Jaya
Lara

Gilly and Jaya are attacking openers who can win games single-handedly and can be handful in their other departments i.e. keeping and bowling respectively. Overall in an ATG XI , I would have Sachin along with either of the two as they can be handful in other departments.

Lara would make it to the second ATG XI as he was arguably the best odi bat of the 90s along with Tendulkar. I would have him over Greenidge,Anwar, Waugh, Ganguly, and Amla all being a level behind.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Not an ATG. Can't be with a paltry average of 30, albeit possessing the ability to play some absolute blinders. His WC record isn't great either, apart from one or two quality knocks. Sanath, Gilly, Hayden, Anwar and Sehwag are all a little overrated. Sure they got the team off to a good start with a pretty 20 or 30 but these 20s and 30s don't win you matches.

Neither of these batsmen are ATGs, I'll appreciate how they changed the ODI game and wrested it from duds like Gavasker but nostalgia won't blind me. Gilly, Anwar and Sanath are greats, not ATGs.

A shame Jayasuriya didn't get to play more T20s, he would have been a real star in that format.

Totally disagree on that count.

Sanath and Romesh were the reason Sri Lanka used to hit up 70 odd in 6 overs in ODI's during that time. Rest of the batsmen batted at normal pace and Sri Lanka had totals in excess of 250 in that era which was mostly a winning score.

Gilly and Hayden were also batting at a SR that made sure the rest of the batsmen cashed in.

20s and 30s at a fast strike rate DO WIN YOU MATCHES.

Which is why Gilly, Hayden, Sanath won so many matches for their country in World Cup knockout matches.

However a pretty 100 off 115 balls doesn't win you the match, although it gives a great platform for others to cash in around the player.

Amla will always be an average ODI batsmen because he can hit the big scores, but he can't win matches single handedly by providing rapid starts.

Amla is a superior test batsmen though because in Tests pretty 20s and 30s don't win you matches most of the time.

 

[SL_Fan]

Sachin is best , rest can be picked from this list.
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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HM Amla (SA) [/td][td]2008-2017 [/td][td]145 [/td][td]6850 [/td][td]50.74 [/td][td]89.42 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar (INDIA) [/td][td]1994-2012 [/td][td]344 [/td][td]15310 [/td][td]48.29 [/td][td]88.05 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]75 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Guptill (NZ) [/td][td]2009-2017 [/td][td]121 [/td][td]4789 [/td][td]46.04 [/td][td]88.8 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TM Dilshan (SL) [/td][td]2008-2016 [/td][td]179 [/td][td]7367 [/td][td]46.04 [/td][td]89.08 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]1975-1991 [/td][td]120 [/td][td]4993 [/td][td]45.39 [/td][td]64.65 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2008 [/td][td]148 [/td][td]5892 [/td][td]44.3 [/td][td]78.7 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ME Waugh (AUS) [/td][td]1993-2002 [/td][td]141 [/td][td]5729 [/td][td]44.06 [/td][td]76.74 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Kirsten (SA) [/td][td]1993-2003 [/td][td]175 [/td][td]6647 [/td][td]41.8 [/td][td]72.25 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SC Ganguly (INDIA) [/td][td]1996-2007 [/td][td]242 [/td][td]9146 [/td][td]41.57 [/td][td]73.59 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]58 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes (WI) [/td][td]1978-1994 [/td][td]238 [/td][td]8648 [/td][td]41.37 [/td][td]63.09 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]57 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GA Gooch (ENG) [/td][td]1978-1995 [/td][td]100 [/td][td]3828 [/td][td]40.29 [/td][td]62.12 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Missing arguably the two greatest openers after Sachin champ. Gilly and Sana

 

[SL_Fan]

ODI ATG without a doubt. One of if not the greatest ever all-rounders in ODI history. With the bat he revolutionised the game, and to go along with those 13.5k runs don’t forget that he also has 320 odd wickets to his name. Plus he was a very good fielder as well.

The overall numbers don’t do him justice he was an out and out match winner and did that quite regularly too as an opener especially come the big games. When he scored 70+ so usually still batting around the 25 over mark SL only lost 10 games and 42 of them resulted in wins. Add man of the tournament in the 96 WC win and he has ticked off pretty much all of the boxes.

 

[shaz619]

Missing arguably the two greatest openers after Sachin champ. Gilly and Sana

Chow can you find Sanath's S/R in Tests as a batsman? Had a look online but couldn't, pretty sure he got his runs quicker compared to the rate of others around

 

[SL_Fan]

Chow can you find Sanath's S/R in Tests as a batsman? Had a look online but couldn't, pretty sure he got his runs quicker compared to the rate of others around

Don't think that he scored all that quick in Tests chief but let's ave a look shall we

 

[SL_Fan]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] here ya go champ

Min 4k Test runs SR 60+

The fast and the furious

 

[SL_Fan]

Warner's SR is a bit of a surprise. Had no idea it was near the 80 mark

 

[shaz619]

Don't think that he scored all that quick in Tests chief but let's ave a look shall we

It is fantastic when you factor in the era in which he played in and the quality of bowling he faced; generally was tougher for batsman in the 90's. Arguably a test ATG, got his runs quick reative to that time period as an opener and was handy with his spin bowling.

 

[todfod 11]

I think considering the value a player adds to the game, these four would make it to the ATG openers list:

Sachin
Gilly
Jaya
Lara

Gilly and Jaya are attacking openers who can win games single-handedly and can be handful in their other departments i.e. keeping and bowling respectively. Overall in an ATG XI , I would have Sachin along with either of the two as they can be handful in other departments.

Lara would make it to the second ATG XI as he was arguably the best odi bat of the 90s along with Tendulkar. I would have him over Greenidge,Anwar, Waugh, Ganguly, and Amla all being a level behind.

The guy i quoted for him Jaya , Gilly Hayden are not ATG. funny man... ppl only run after stats but doesnt count the impact.. They think batsmen these days with big bats and smaller boundaries are better.

 

[todfod 11]

Totally disagree on that count.

Sanath and Romesh were the reason Sri Lanka used to hit up 70 odd in 6 overs in ODI's during that time. Rest of the batsmen batted at normal pace and Sri Lanka had totals in excess of 250 in that era which was mostly a winning score.

Gilly and Hayden were also batting at a SR that made sure the rest of the batsmen cashed in.

20s and 30s at a fast strike rate DO WIN YOU MATCHES.

Which is why Gilly, Hayden, Sanath won so many matches for their country in World Cup knockout matches.

However a pretty 100 off 115 balls doesn't win you the match, although it gives a great platform for others to cash in around the player.

Amla will always be an average ODI batsmen because he can hit the big scores, but he can't win matches single handedly by providing rapid starts.

Amla is a superior test batsmen though because in Tests pretty 20s and 30s don't win you matches most of the time.

Great reply.. I dont understand why these so called expert doesnt understand the impact of a player a d his innings.. People thrived to the stadiums to watch these players. Stadiums go half empty these days even when there are so ma y bou daries hit. records broken every day..

 

[RamLakhan]

Easy ATG in ODIs. Jayasuriya has revolutionized batting for openers in the format. Before Gilly or Sehwag it was Jayasurya

Sehwag revolutionized Test Batting! Earlier Krishnamachari Srikkant attempted like this but the bowlers were too strong (WI was at its peak!) Otherwise Srikkant would have demolished much more if he played in late 90s! Jayasuriya gained confidence against some ordinary bowlers, but I agree he did well even against top bowlers at his peak (But he could not maintain the same momentum against good bowlers once he lost his touch)

 

[kingusama92]

He was incredible at his peak.

One of the most feared openers at his time and rightly so. Absolute carnage when he started middling it.

I wouldn't argue if someone said he's an ODI ATG.

 

[SL_Fan]

It is fantastic when you factor in the era in which he played in and the quality of bowling he faced; generally was tougher for batsman in the 90's. Arguably a test ATG, got his runs quick reative to that time period as an opener and was handy with his spin bowling.

Yeah still at a fair click no doubt. In Tests definitely a handy player to have in the side especially in the SC but quite a bit off the ATG level tho for mine.

 

[Pantani]

ODI ATG without a doubt. One of if not the greatest ever all-rounders in ODI history. With the bat he revolutionised the game, and to go along with those 13.5k runs don’t forget that he also has 320 odd wickets to his name. Plus he was a very good fielder as well.

The overall numbers don’t do him justice he was an out and out match winner and did that quite regularly too as an opener especially come the big games. When he scored 70+ so usually still batting around the 25 over mark SL only lost 10 games and 42 of them resulted in wins. Add man of the tournament in the 96 WC win and he has ticked off pretty much all of the boxes.

Let's also not forget how clutch he was and how far ahead of the game he was. In '96 he clobbered 82 off 44 balls in the World Cup quarter final.

A knock like that would be enough to floor a team today, one can only imagine how devastating it was 21 years ago when teams were happy with 0/35, 0/40 type scores after 10 overs!

 

[SL_Fan]

Let's also not forget how clutch he was and how far ahead of the game he was. In '96 he clobbered 82 off 44 balls in the World Cup quarter final.

A knock like that would be enough to floor a team today, one can only imagine how devastating it was 21 years ago when teams were happy with 0/35, 0/40 type scores after 10 overs!

130+ SR in the 96 WC

Link

 

[Pantani]

Definitely an ODI great. Opens in my ATG ODI XI

S Jayasuriya
S Tendulkar
V Kohli
V Richards
A Devilliers
M Dohni
A Symonds
W Akram
M Starc
S Mushtaq
J Garner

Very good list

6 bowlers + Richards and Sachin can roll their arms if needed

And great hitting right down the list to Starc at 9

Imagine a match up between that team and these two in a triangular series

Anwar
Gilchrist (wk)
Ponting (c)
de Silva
Inzamam
Bevan
Klusner
Warne
Lee
Muralitharan
McGrath

Sehwag
Hayden
Sangakkara (wk) (c)
Lara
Yuvraj Singh
Hussey
Watson
Pollock
Afridi
Waqar
Donald

 

[Adil_94]

would class him as an ODI ATG.

 

[todfod 11]

for people in doubt.

 

[soso_killer]

World Cups won: Jayasuriya one, Amla nil.

World cup semi final matchwinning performance: Jayasuriya one, Amla nil.

World Cup quarter final matchwinning performance: Jayasuriya one, Amla nil.

Case closed.

You can take your averages and your tough attacks and go somewhere with that. Only World Cups count. No tougher stage. And Jayasuriya dominated 1996 like no South African except maybe klusner in '99 ever has!

ok i got it, to hell with stats and concistency.
So if we are to be consistent a guy like JP is a better Test bat than Tendulkar, Dravid etc, right?
Provided we don't want to change goal posts to suit agendas.
I don't mind any line of reasoning, so long as it's applied consistently.

 

[Stallion__]

Quick runs at the top of the order are priceless. Players like Jayasuriya force the opponent's captain to change his tactics, eat up the overs of the best bowlers of the opposition and shift the momentum in his team's way. Although Greatbatch was first who started taking advantage of the field restrictions, Jayasuriya was the one who perpetuated this tactic by being so successful in his execution for a long period of time and in some high profile matches. That along with 300+ ODI wickets and an ability to produce ten good overs which allowed his team to play an extra player.

Definitely All Time Great in ODIs.

 

[Kianig89]

Sanatj Jayyasuria still remember sound of Barry Richards commenting on his Massacre' #Cococola cup Sharjah cup Singer Cup

 

[Pak_Pace]

for people in doubt.

Damn son !

 

[Syed1]

for people in doubt.

I remember Trescothik did something similar against us. He had reached his century while his opening partner (I think it was Nick Knight or Vikram Solanki, can't remember) hadn't even reached double figures.

 

[shaz619]

He will enter the hall of fame one day, a pioneer of the game!

 

[Hitman]

Although I was a huge fan of him in the 90's, I'd still say that he doesn't deserve a place in the ICC 'Hall of Fame'. I respect him a lot as a player, but that doesn't mean everyone deserves a place in tat elite club.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Totally disagree on that count.

Sanath and Romesh were the reason Sri Lanka used to hit up 70 odd in 6 overs in ODI's during that time. Rest of the batsmen batted at normal pace and Sri Lanka had totals in excess of 250 in that era which was mostly a winning score.

Gilly and Hayden were also batting at a SR that made sure the rest of the batsmen cashed in.

20s and 30s at a fast strike rate DO WIN YOU MATCHES.

Which is why Gilly, Hayden, Sanath won so many matches for their country in World Cup knockout matches.

However a pretty 100 off 115 balls doesn't win you the match, although it gives a great platform for others to cash in around the player.

Amla will always be an average ODI batsmen because he can hit the big scores, but he can't win matches single handedly by providing rapid starts.

Amla is a superior test batsmen though because in Tests pretty 20s and 30s don't win you matches most of the time.

This is just plain wrong otherwise Sehwag would be a bigger match winner than both Tendulkar and Ganguly.

 

[The_Odd_One]

One of my most favorite batsman of all time

Definitely an ATG in ODIs

Not interested in stats when I have watched his entire career

 

[Dr_Bassim]

This is just plain wrong otherwise Sehwag would be a bigger match winner than both Tendulkar and Ganguly.

Did you even see Tendulkar and Ganguly bat early on in their careers?

They had more impact than Amla.

Stop watching the Tendulkar of 2011 plus and making random judgments.

Tendulkar and Sehwag were equally explosive in their careers and Tendulkar had even higher consistency than Sehwag which is why he is rated so high by almost everyone.

Ganguly in his prime was a superb batsmen too, much more able to change gears than the one-dimensional Amla.

 

[Ab Fan]

Is Amla really one dimensional?

I think in terms of scoring fast, he is okay. Don't think there is much issue with that. He doesn't takes enough balls to get set at the start either although he isn't super fast in later overs.

How does he gets compared with Faf in that regard?

 

[Mobashir]

World Cups won: Jayasuriya one, Amla nil.
World Cups wononting 3, Tendulkar 1
World cup final semi matchwinning performance: Jayasuriya one, Amla nil.
World cup final matchwinning performance: Ponting 1, Tendulkar 0, (8 runs in 2 finals?)
World Cup quarter final matchwinning performance: Jayasuriya one, Amla nil.

Case closed.

You can take your averages and your tough attacks and go somewhere with that. Only World Cups count. No tougher stage. And Jayasuriya dominated 1996 like no South African except maybe klusner in '99 ever has!

Great logic.

So who is better ODI batsman? Tendulkar or Ponting?

 

[zulfiqar]

for people in doubt.

What a beast. I think this post in a Pakistani forum will be very biased as most Pakistani fans I know absolutely adored the Sri Lankan team that won the 1996 World Cup as they scripted the biggest under-dog story in modern times. Jayasuriya is a certified ODI ATG!

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Is Amla really one dimensional?

I think in terms of scoring fast, he is okay. Don't think there is much issue with that. He doesn't takes enough balls to get set at the start either although he isn't super fast in later overs.

How does he gets compared with Faf in that regard?

Amla is as one dimensional as it gets. He can maintain a good strike rate throughout his innings but can't accelerate when required. The thing is openers are required to score at rapid rate during the beginning of innings to grab momentum from opponent. Amla was never known for destructiveness. There's a reason Gayle, Sehwag, Mccullum etc were more feared than Amla despite having lower average. All these players were capable of bringing team score to 50/0 within 5 overs. Shifting gears is more important than having good average for openers, that's why Jayasuriya is an ATG. He's a pioneer

 

[The_Odd_One]

Did you even see Tendulkar and Ganguly bat early on in their careers?

They had more impact than Amla.

Stop watching the Tendulkar of 2011 plus and making random judgments.

Tendulkar and Sehwag were equally explosive in their careers and Tendulkar had even higher consistency than Sehwag which is why he is rated so high by almost everyone.

Ganguly in his prime was a superb batsmen too, much more able to change gears than the one-dimensional Amla.

Why are you bringing Amla into this? I asked you a simple question and you smartly played the Amla card. By your logic, Sehwag was a bigger match winner than Ganguly in ODIs which is absurd.

Quick 20s and 30s do not win you anything.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Amla is as one dimensional as it gets. He can maintain a good strike rate throughout his innings but can't accelerate when required. The thing is openers are required to score at rapid rate during the beginning of innings to grab momentum from opponent. Amla was never known for destructiveness. There's a reason Gayle, Sehwag, Mccullum etc were more feared than Amla despite having lower average. All these players were capable of bringing team score to 50/0 within 5 overs. Shifting gears is more important than having good average for openers, that's why Jayasuriya is an ATG. He's a pioneer

Next people are going to say that Afridi was a better opener than Amla.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Next people are going to say that Afridi was a better opener than Amla.

Afridi is a blind slogger, he's not comparable to the likes of Sehwag and Gayle