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Did Sachin Tendulkar play against average teams or all-time great teams?

jnaveen1980 said:
How are they oranges and apples. Both are bowlers. Both are spinners. You are calling a legitimate action chucking. IN that regard they are both the same.
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We all know the only reason ashwin isn't called for being a chucker is due to his country's financial influence and monopoly over the governing body the ICC.

Its apple and oranges because Warne was a leg spinner and therefore cant be compared.

It ain't rocket science.

You bringing Warne in the conversation doesn't legitimise ashwin in any way shape or form.
 
Ashwin and Warne and chucking stuff is not for this thread. Please find other relevant threads for these types of posts.

Will remove irrelevant posts now.
 
As per reports: Sachin Tendulkar will be conferred with the BCCI’s Lifetime Achievement Award at the Board’s annual gala in Mumbai on Saturday (1 February).
 
kingusama92 said:
He played against some seriously good bowlers at their peak.

In fact, some of these are the greatest bowlers of all time - Warne, Murali, Wasim, McGrath, Donald, and Waqar to name a few.

If you can pile up runs against these guys in various formats, you are the real deal.
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Sachin did not play many tests vs Pakistan in 90s in Tests, Saeed Anwar was better than Sachin in ODI’s vs India 🇮🇳, but Sachin was technically better player and did play lot of matches against Australia.
 
Van_Sri said:
Sachin did not play many tests vs Pakistan in 90s in Tests, Saeed Anwar was better than Sachin in ODI’s vs India 🇮🇳, but Sachin was technically better player and did play lot of matches against Australia.
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Anwar was a great player in his own right but Sachin has 3 man of the matches vs Pak in world cups.
 
Local.Dada said:
Anwar was a great player in his own right but Sachin has 3 man of the matches vs Pak in world cups.
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Overall Anwar was a better player against India 🇮🇳 compared to Sachin against Pakistan 🇵🇰 in ODI’s but true Sachin World Cup Performances against Pakistan were Great
 
IMG_3336.jpegIndia 🇮🇳 All Time ODI XI : 1) Rohit 2) Sachin 3) Ganguly 4) Kohli 5) Yuvraj 6) Dhoni*+ 7) Kapil 8) Jadeja 9) Kuldeep 10) Shami 11) Bumrah.
 
Van_Sri said:
Sachin did not play many tests vs Pakistan in 90s in Tests, Saeed Anwar was better than Sachin in ODI’s vs India 🇮🇳, but Sachin was technically better player and did play lot of matches against Australia.
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Saeed, a top player in his era but even Pakistanis know the gulf of class between our bowling line ups back then. Tendulkar had to play a bowling attack of Pakistan that was a level or two above Bharat’s.
 
FearlessRoar said:
As per reports: Sachin Tendulkar will be conferred with the BCCI’s Lifetime Achievement Award at the Board’s annual gala in Mumbai on Saturday (1 February).
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Congratulations to Sachin paaji.

Greatest of all time 🐐
 
Some bowlers who played against Sachin Tendulkar

Wasim , Waqar, Pollock, Donald, McGrath, Warne, Murali, Ambrose, Walsh
 
Kianig89 said:
Some bowlers who played against Sachin Tendulkar

Wasim , Waqar, Pollock, Donald, McGrath, Warne, Murali, Ambrose, Walsh
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No wonder the entire 1990s only had 3 batters averaging 50+ including test cricket and averaging 35+ in ODIs was considered respectable back then while early 40s was an elite batting average.
 
Sachin was a legend in 1990s, his stats in 2000s onwards were just like VK and Babar stat padding
 
From Indian perspective, 2003 odi wc in Sa expectations were just exactly like ct 25.In the case of ct 25, its mainly due washed up oldies.For 03 odi wc, it was after a disastrous nz tour.Both played on complete grass wickets where both teams bundled out for 90s and 100 through out the test and odi series.Wickets were so bad that both teams batsmen were devoid of any confidence. Sachin played well very well from first match till rest of the batsmen started scoring runs .
 
Sachin had to face some great pacers in their prime in 90s, but in 2000s, there was nothing special...
 
Hitman said:
Ask Dale Steyn and James Anderson who is the best batsman they have bowled to.
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The one ball vs 2 new ball era skewed reality a bit which i believe the likes of Sachin, lara, and pointing are viewed below Kohli and heck some people go as far as to claim Warner, rohit etc are > Those 3.

It's just in that era it's kinda impossible to be an opener + Bat full overs and chase targets down + possess 5th gears.

Hence people viewed Sachin as a stat padder from 2000's.

I viewed Sachin as a stat padder as well but not like babar, what i mean is that even though he played brilliant match winning innings in his era, he was record obsessed 100%. But the whole he put himself > his team is a myth.

Opening in odi was different in that era.

Pointing is in the same tier as kohli as an odi batter had they batted in the same era, they'd be equal. And Sachin is a bit > both if them.

I don't think he's massively > in odi, in test he's way way > them. But in odi hes still marginally superior.

Sachin would have avg 60-62 with a 95 sr in this era with pointing avg 58 and 91 sr the same as kohli.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sachin would have avg 60-62 with a 95 sr in this era with pointing avg 58 and 91 sr the same as kohli.
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Tendulkar’s SR would be 100+ in modern era of ODIs. He was 100% pure batting talent.

His fitness level was not of a top level athlete which explains why he wasn’t a great finisher. In 2003 CWC, he started cramping in his 70s literally, the first ever ODJ double hundred could have come earlier against NZ in 2009 but again his body gave up like on so many occasions throughout his career.

If Tendulkar had Virat Kohli’s fitness, he would have been unfairly dominant. In terms of conventional batting, he’s by far the most talented batter ever evident by the fact that all his big knocks are an absolute delight to the eye.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Tendulkar’s SR would be 100+ in modern era of ODIs. He was 100% pure batting talent.

His fitness level was not of a top level athlete which explains why he wasn’t a great finisher. In 2003 CWC, he started cramping in his 70s literally, the first ever ODJ double hundred could have come earlier against NZ in 2009 but again his body gave up like on so many occasions throughout his career.

If Tendulkar had Virat Kohli’s fitness, he would have been unfairly dominant. In terms of conventional batting, he’s by far the most talented batter ever evident by the fact that all his big knocks are an absolute delight to the eye.
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Naw, the likes of Jaysuria and Gilly sr were ridiculously high for their era while Sachin sr was > Average but not high by any means.

He wasn't a bang bang opener by any means and in this era he wouldn't have a strike rate of 100.

Also he isn't the most talented batter ever, the likes of gilly, Kallis, lara, pointing are far more talented then he is in terms of raw reactions and timing.

Sachin succeeded cause he's more hard working then they are cause he kept adjusting his game year by year and when he got older he adjusted his game to make up for dwindling reactions that why in his later years he played the ball late compared to his early years.
 
Tendulkar played against average teams.

The only one who played against all-time great teams is Travis Head.
 
Sachin did play very well in 2000s and a much more matured player, except 2003 and 2006 every year upto 2011 he maintained a good form.
 
mominsaigol said:
Naw, the likes of Jaysuria and Gilly sr were ridiculously high for their era while Sachin sr was > Average but not high by any means.

He wasn't a bang bang opener by any means and in this era he wouldn't have a strike rate of 100.

Also he isn't the most talented batter ever, the likes of gilly, Kallis, lara, pointing are far more talented then he is in terms of raw reactions and timing.

Sachin succeeded cause he's more hard working then they are cause he kept adjusting his game year by year and when he got older he adjusted his game to make up for dwindling reactions that why in his later years he played the ball late compared to his early years.
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Kallis was the least talented among them as a Batsman. Lara was a better player in West Indies, Gilly was inconsistent but a mentally strong player, Ponting had the advantage of being part of the strongest Team of his era, Sachin was most versatile player as he was an opener in ODI’s and No 4 in Tests.
 
mominsaigol said:
Also he isn't the most talented batter ever, the likes of gilly, Kallis, lara, pointing are far more talented then he is in terms of raw reactions and timing.
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Gilchrist and Kallis? They had very limited shots range.

Lara is up there.
Tendulkar in terms of conventional batting was the most talented batter ever. Played every shot in the book with authority.
 
number of runs he has scored regardless of the team he had played against doesn’t matter at all because you still need talent to score this many runs.
 
Sachin is a legend...why???
watch the video above. That guy is still timing the ball like a beast
 
Sachin is so technically correct if you throw him in deep waters in international cricket even today he will find ways to build an inning.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Sachin is so technically correct if you throw him in deep waters in international cricket even today he will find ways to build an inning.
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Easily the most complete batter of all time in terms of technique and timing. Only thing missing was reaction timing where a few players have better hand eye coordination like Ponting, Viv etc.

However the fact that as his age increased, he was still ontop.

Age your age increases your reactions decline hence most batters who had better eye hand coordination like ponting declined, due to sachin's compact and complete technique he thrived by implementing late cuts and late shots from the backfoot.

He's one of the few cricketers who despite being talented proved that you can still remain no 1 even if someone else has a few genetic advantages over you such as reaction times. Technique and mastery will always beat pure genetics because at the end of the day, Everyone naturally declines but your experience improves and increases.

And we've this affect so many players such as kohli, Ponting, Warner, kallis etc.
 
ravisurya said:
So that also means the Wasim and Qasim basically took wickets against pretty mediocre teams which would make Bumrah the best fast bowler ever to come out of Asia?
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Bumrah is better than Wasim and Waqar
 
FearlessRoar said:
Yes, Sachin Tendulkar faced way stronger bowlers during his time. I mean, have you seen the likes of Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Allan Donald, Shane Warne, Brett Lee, Shoaib Akhtar, and Muttiah Muralitharan? They were beasts on the pitch.

And let's be real, the bowlers today just don't seem to have the same level of firepower, except for Jasprit Bumrah.
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Bowlers are way better now
90s was a bowling friendly era
 
BouncerGuy said:
Sachin is a legend...why???
watch the video above. That guy is still timing the ball like a beast
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Still better than Rohit right now
And gill
And I am dead serious

And also better than Kl rahul
I can guarantee you
 
mominsaigol said:
Naw, the likes of Jaysuria and Gilly sr were ridiculously high for their era while Sachin sr was > Average but not high by any means.

He wasn't a bang bang opener by any means and in this era he wouldn't have a strike rate of 100.

Also he isn't the most talented batter ever, the likes of gilly, Kallis, lara, pointing are far more talented then he is in terms of raw reactions and timing.

Sachin succeeded cause he's more hard working then they are cause he kept adjusting his game year by year and when he got older he adjusted his game to make up for dwindling reactions that why in his later years he played the ball late compared to his early years.
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First you saw raw reactions and timing is genetic
Then you say Tendulkar is the most talented batsman ever
Previous post you are like he isn’t the most talented ever cause he lacks timing and reaction unlike Ponting kalis.

Which is it??
 
kron said:
First you saw raw reactions and timing is genetic
Then you say Tendulkar is the most talented batsman ever
Previous post you are like he isn’t the most talented ever cause he lacks timing and reaction unlike Ponting kalis.

Which is it??
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I said he's the most complete batsmen ever since his technique, timing and shot selection is perfect.

However pure raw reaction times and raw power is something only God can give you.

Viv's technique is nothing special. 99% of batsmen would fail if they tried to bat like him but his God gifted reaction times allow him to bat freakishly well + his raw power and height.

Sachin's reaction times aren't great nor is he the most powerful batter.

Dude is a tiny man and during his debut innings, he freqently mentioned how he got dismissed cause he just couldn't process the 140 to 150KPH pace as compared to before his debut where he was playing against 110KPH 16 year old.

He had to learn and adjust and slowly slowly adapted and adjusted.

It's a stark contrast from ponting and viv who are automatically God gifted in reactions.
 
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