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Is Shane Bond the biggest loss to cricket in the last 10-15 years?

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Look at his stats -

Tests 18 32 3372 1922 87 6/51 10/99 22.09 3.41 38.7 7 5 1

ODIs 82 80 4295 3070 147 6/19 6/19 20.88 4.28 29.2 7 4 0

It is a shame that we couldn't see a injury free Bond bowling at his peak . That would be some sight.
 
Yes

Pat Cummins reminds me a lot of Nond both on and off the field
 
I'd say Mohammad Amir as he was just magic to watch.
 
Bond also had a much better yorker than Steyn, although Dale beats him for outswing
 
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Was ATG material.There is video montage of his bowling in WC 03 and man was he quick.
 
My favorite bowler along with Waqar. Back in the day I would watch NZ play just for him.

Better than Akhtar, better than Lee and I daresay better than Steyn.

A future ATG and the greatest bowler of this generation. Indeed cricket's greatest tragedy.
 
My 2nd favourite bowler after shoaib, he was ahead of shoaib and lee because he don't have just raw pace but excellent swing and control, it's one hell of a skill to swing with full control above 150 kph,
 
Played 18 tests in 9 years. He was a class act but his body was simply not suitable for fast bowling. No matter how much he worked on his fitness, it was only a matter of time before he relapsed into injury.
 
That 2002-03 tour was probably our worse tour. We were lucky to have only played 2 tests. It was even worse than 4-0 in Australia and England. We just wouldn't ever cross 150 throughout the entire tour except 1 or two occasions i guess. Everytime i would switch on the TV, India would be 80/7 or 100/9. Being a batting loving nation, it was pure pain to see your great batting line-up just never scoring anything. The only player who had the skills to combat such hostile bowling was completely out of form. :sachin and the rest just wouldn't show up.
 
One of the best bowlers of modern era. It's a shame he couldn't play much.

Pat Cummins reminds me so much of Bond. I just wish Pat has a injury free career unlike Bond.
 
Bond was betrayed by New Zealand Cricket, and they know it.

His back injuries were bad enough.

But when the ICL was created Bond applied for and received a No Objection Certificate from New Zealand Cricket and a letter of comfort from New Zealand Cricket telling him that his ICL contract was fine, especially as it guaranteed his release for all international series for New Zealand.

The BCCI then invented the IPL as an opposing competition, and bullied the other Boards to ban their ICL players. Shane Bond lost 2 years of his short international career due to NZ Cricket breaching their own undertakings to him.
 
He was sharp and very brisk. One of my favourite non-Pakistani pacers. Would have done wonders, but for his injury.


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Cricketfan no 1 said:
And Amir was 17-18 years old but still clocked 150
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Meh even Ishant clocked 150+ once when he was 18 or something. Those who think Amir was as good as Bond are either delusional or haven't watched much cricket.

Amir had promise but Bond was something else.
 
Mamoon said:
My favorite bowler along with Waqar. Back in the day I would watch NZ play just for him.

Better than Akhtar, better than Lee and I daresay better than Steyn.

A future ATG and the greatest bowler of this generation. Indeed cricket's greatest tragedy.
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I would agree of you say he was better than Shoaib, Lee or MJ but Steyn is better than Bond. People seriously under rate Steyn on this forum. That guy is a total beast.
 
Noobosauras said:
I would agree of you say he was better than Shoaib, Lee or MJ but Steyn is better than Bond. People seriously under rate Steyn on this forum. That guy is a total beast.
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Bond was a more complete bowler. He was faster and had the ability to move the ball both ways at will and was excellent with reverse swing and bouncer as well.

Steyn is the best exponent of reverse swing today and has the greatest outswinger in history but his conventional inswinger is not good enough and nor is his bouncer lethal. Also, his pace is overrated.

I have no doubt in my mind that Bond was a better bowler.
 
Well yes he was my favorite bowler for very long time. I remember how much I love to see him bowl with his smooth action, guy is seriously underrated and definitely my favorite player from newzealand along Stephen Fleming.
 
Yes - second only to Mohammad Amir.

Noobosauras said:
Amir was no where close to Bond.
Bond used to bowl 150Kmph offcutters.
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Being an Indian fan, you are very likely to have zero understanding or appreciation of fast bowling so you are forgiven for this ridiculous statement.
 
Bond and Amir were at the same level, but I prefer Bond because he had a better action and I like RH pacers pretty much like my love for LH batsmen.
 
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Mamoon said:
Bond and Amir were at the same level, but I prefer Bond because he had a better action and I like RH pacers pretty much like my love for LH batsmen.
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Yes personal preference is of course fine. Just ridiculous statements like Amir was nowhere close to Bond are infuriating especially coming from fans of a country that has been a disgrace to the good name of fast bowling throughout its existence.
 
biggestdravidfan said:
That is not a proof .
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Ok. I will subpeona NASA for any satellite observations they took of bowling speeds during that tour.

If the fact he looked bloody quick, word was he bowled pretty quick and he was clocked around 150k a few times is not proof enough then I suspect you have a skewed idea of the burden of proof accepted by most for bowling speeds.
 
Asif comes close imo, well as a test player anyway.

Amir isn't a loss yet because he'll be back for another go soon whereas Asif probably won't.
 
Noobosauras said:
Amir was no where close to Bond.
Bond used to bowl 150Kmph offcutters.
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Amir was swinging the ball at 150kph at the age of 17, if he continued I think he could have even have touched 160kph. What made him special was that speed wasn't even his focal point!
 
Noobosauras said:
Amir was no where close to Bond.
Bond used to bowl 150Kmph offcutters.
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Noobosauras said:
Meh even Ishant clocked 150+ once when he was 18 or something. Those who think Amir was as good as Bond are either delusional or haven't watched much cricket.

Amir had promise but Bond was something else.
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This guy is bringing Ishant's name to a discussion where Amir, Bond and Steyn are being discussed. And "Amir nowhere close"

Moments like these when you can't UNSEE what you've seen.

As cars mentioned, it perhaps has to do with your flag, that you don't understand what's real fast bowling and understanding of fast bowling talent. We'll just have to let it go, it seems.

Ishant and Amir 'nowhere close'. Goodness me. The biggest facepalm moment.
 
The biggest losses in the last decade have been:

Shoaib Akhtar
Bond
Amir
Asif

In no particular order. All great talents.

But hopefully Amir (maybe Asif too?) will be back.
 
Bond had great potential but its exaggeration to say he was better than Steyn or he would have necessarily been ATG.

Played just 18 Tests and even among those he struggled in Aus and SL.

Steyn has played mostly on flatter pitches and yet has amazing numbers in a much bigger career
 
Didn't NZ have a left arm fast bowler, during 2000 onwards or maybe 1999 onwards,that was insanely quick?

Forget his name now.
 
Bond's action was straining on the body, torqued his body sideways too much. Similar to Pat Cummins does now and hence the injuries.

Great bowler to watch. Potential ATG. Definitely more skilled than Steyn.

Amir clearly a superior talent. When was the last time we saw a complete bowler at 18? Yeah, never.
 
Mohammad Aamir is the biggest loss to World Cricket. He had ATG written all over him. At least we got to see what Bond was capable of at his peak. Sadly, we may never get to see Aamir at his peak. Even if he does make a strong comeback and become a 'great' (insha Allah)due to his immense natural talent, people wil still be left wondering about "what could have been".
 
Never seen Bond play but if he's as good as people make him out to be then he has to be up there.

Amir is absolutely no loss to cricket and I dont even know why he's being mentioned here. Bond was ruined by injuries which he had no control of.

Amir is ruined because of his own greed and nothing else so as far as I'm concerned its not a loss, the sport needs less cheats not more. His talent is a loss most certainly, but Amir himself?? no way.

Even if you disagree Amir cant be classed as a loss since he'll be back playing again in about a year most likely.
 
I'd say Shoaib was as big a loss.
 
Amir was a loss because of his bowling skill, not character. For some reason people cannot talk about his cricket without slinging mud at him for the spot fixing.
 
I won't consider Akhtar as big a loss as Bond because he managed to play a decent amount of games and was in and out for more than a decade.

The story of Bond's career is just tragic.
 
Mamoon said:
Amir was a loss because of his bowling skill, not character. For some reason people cannot talk about his cricket without slinging mud at him for the spot fixing.
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The reason people cant talk about one without mentioning the other is because he tainted the sport and his very own talent with his actions.

The sport is a thousand times better off without people like him regardless of his talent, which was top notch dont get me wrong.

But comparing Amir, someone who's loss is entirely his own fault, to Bond, someone who had his career ruined by injuries he had no control over, is ridiculous IMO
 
To be fair, Aamir reverse Wasim. Bond was one fantastic bowler who deserved to play a lot longer, definitely an ATG but his injuries pegged him back. Aamir was on a whole different league compared to Bond.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Never seen Bond play but if he's as good as people make him out to be then he has to be up there.

Amir is absolutely no loss to cricket and I dont even know why he's being mentioned here. Bond was ruined by injuries which he had no control of.

Amir is ruined because of his own greed and nothing else so as far as I'm concerned its not a loss, the sport needs less cheats not more. His talent is a loss most certainly, but Amir himself?? no way.

Even if you disagree Amir cant be classed as a loss since he'll be back playing again in about a year most likely.
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Dont be silly mate. Disregard what he did for a moment, otherwise this thread will descend into chaos. Think about it like this. An 18 year old player swinging the ball at 145+ kph (with control) stops playing cricket for 5 years. Forget what he has done. That in itself is a massive loss to cricket. Missing out on such a players development has only been a loss for cricket lovers around the globe; regardless of their nationality.

Also, you cant separate Aamirs talent from himself by saying "his talent is a loss but not him". His talent is a part of him and therefore, the loss of it=the loss of him and vice versa.

Finally, refer to the final 2 lines of my post above yours regarding it not being a loss due to the fact that he should be back in 2 years. Basically... Even if he does make a strong comeback and become a 'great' (insha Allah)due to his immense natural talent, people wil still be left wondering about "what could have been" if his development didn't stall for 5 years.
 
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My favorite bowler after Shoaib Aktar, Shane should have ended up as the greatest fast bowler of this generation and at least in the top 3 all time list.
 
Amir and Bond both were GOAT material.

Whether they could have achieved it is another question.

But they both were.

Just magical bowlers.
 
as-95 said:
Dont be silly mate. Disregard what he did for a moment, otherwise this thread will descend into chaos. Think about it like this. An 18 year old player swinging the ball at 145+ kph (with control) stops playing cricket for 5 years. Forget what he has done. That in itself is a massive loss to cricket. Missing out on such a players development has only been a loss for cricket lovers around the globe; regardless of their nationality.

Also, you cant separate Aamirs talent from himself by saying "his talent is a loss but not him". His talent is a part of him and therefore, the loss of it=the loss of him and vice versa.

Finally, refer to the final 2 lines of my post above yours regarding it not being a loss due to the fact that he should be back in 2 years. Basically... Even if he does make a strong comeback and become a 'great' (insha Allah)due to his immense natural talent, people wil still be left wondering about "what could have been" if his development didn't stall for 5 years.
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As much as I liked Amir, I think he is overhyped by almost all Cricket fans. He swung the ball at mid to late 130s, not 145+ and had only been effective in that English tour where conditions suited his bowling.

I know I am an Indian, and it might be true that Amir had more talent in his little finger than any of our bowling stars today, but still, I gotta be honest. Bond was way batter.
 
Cricket_Engineer said:
Amir was swinging the ball at 150kph at the age of 17, if he continued I think he could have even have touched 160kph. What made him special was that speed wasn't even his focal point!
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You are totally right. Heck I think Amir would have started clocking close to speed of light by now.

Hawkeye said:
This guy is bringing Ishant's name to a discussion where Amir, Bond and Steyn are being discussed. And "Amir nowhere close"

Moments like these when you can't UNSEE what you've seen.

As cars mentioned, it perhaps has to do with your flag, that you don't understand what's real fast bowling and understanding of fast bowling talent. We'll just have to let it go, it seems.

Ishant and Amir 'nowhere close'. Goodness me. The biggest facepalm moment.
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Amir had a good beginning but that doesn't mean he would have continued like that. Ishant is mentioned because even he had a good beginning. We all know how that turned out.

as-95 said:
Ignore Noobosaurus. He's a troll and gets a stomach ache whenever Pakistan or a Pakistani is praised.
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Lol
 
Electron said:
As much as I liked Amir, I think he is overhyped by almost all Cricket fans. He swung the ball at mid to late 130s, not 145+ and had only been effective in that English tour where conditions suited his bowling.

I know I am an Indian, and it might be true that Amir had more talent in his little finger than any of our bowling stars today, but still, I gotta be honest. Bond was way batter.
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He doesn't bowl at full pace in tests. Watch his ODI games, or rather his T20 games. That was when he was bowling at full pace at 150+. Amir was prone to injury and knew this, all fast bowlers are advised to lower their pace in test matches.
 
Noobosauras said:
You are totally right. Heck I think Amir would have started clocking close to speed of light by now.



Amir had a good beginning but that doesn't mean he would have continued like that. Ishant is mentioned because even he had a good beginning. We all know how that turned out.


Lol
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There is no comparison because Amir not just swung the ball, but he swung it late, was accurate, had a very good off cutter, had a very good cricket brain, should I go on ??

If you don't think Amir should be welcomed back once his ban is over fine, if he's not a great loss for the last 5 years Fine, but please don't insult our intelligence by comparing him to Ishant
"Unlucky" Sharma.
 
Electron said:
As much as I liked Amir, I think he is overhyped by almost all Cricket fans. He swung the ball at mid to late 130s, not 145+ and had only been effective in that English tour where conditions suited his bowling.

I know I am an Indian, and it might be true that Amir had more talent in his little finger than any of our bowling stars today, but still, I gotta be honest. Bond was way batter.
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Good to see an honest and well meaning response from an Indian fan. Anyway, to my response. Bro, you must remember that you are comparing a peak Shane Bond to an 18 year old Aamir. We all saw what Aamir was capable of as an 18 year old. He was arguably one the best bowlers in 2010 despite being 18. Now imagine what could have been had he not been banned for 5 years. That is why its such a loss to Cricket. If he was already incredibly good at 18, imagine 5 more years of development without stagnation during the ban! He may never reach the heights he was destined to before the Ban!
 
One of em...Another was Mohammed Sami. Any bowler who can even move the ball an inch at 150ks is special.
I'm not sure if you'd consider Sami a loss tho considering he had an extended run. But someone of his talent defo underachieved tremendously.
 
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Interestingly, Bond debuted at the age of 26. He continued to bowl quick and never slowed down even in his 30s. I always remember his vicious yorkers. And they were proper yorkers not half volleys converted to yorkers by batsman's ineptitude.
 
Shane Bond definitely upthere!
But I would put Saqlain Mushtaq with him.. Had he not injured his knees and, later, been mistreated by PCB, could have been among the highest wicket takers in both Tests and LOIs judging by the rate he was going .. Big loss for cricket..
P.s Ajmal and Saqlain are almost the same age.. Would have been a sight to see both of them bowling in tandem..

Then, M Asif has to come into this list surely.. Potentially the best new ball bowler after Glenn Mcgrath in the last decade..Absolutely irresistible in test match cricket..
Sadly, achieved nowhere near the great man did..

Lastly, I haven't seen much of Mohammad Zahid, but judging by the amount of folklore I've heard , got to be one of the biggest losses to Pakistan Cricket!

And people M. Amir isn't a loss yet.. He has a chance to redeem himself, provided he stays fit.. No doubt he would still have the mojo!
 
Junaids said:
Bond was betrayed by New Zealand Cricket, and they know it.

His back injuries were bad enough.

But when the ICL was created Bond applied for and received a No Objection Certificate from New Zealand Cricket and a letter of comfort from New Zealand Cricket telling him that his ICL contract was fine, especially as it guaranteed his release for all international series for New Zealand.

The BCCI then invented the IPL as an opposing competition, and bullied the other Boards to ban their ICL players. Shane Bond lost 2 years of his short international career due to NZ Cricket breaching their own undertakings to him.
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This !!!
New zealand cricket board is to blame..
bond could have left icl at any point but he maintained that he had made a commitment and because nzl cricket board had given him the permisision he will keep his commitment.
 
McGill is another one as mentioned by [MENTION=133483]Energetic[/MENTION] .

He used to turn the ball as much as warne and with a lot of control , had a killer googly. Shame!
 
McGill turned the ball a lot but he never had that indrift and mystery like Shane Warne.

Tendulkar could turn the ball miles as well, that doesn't make one a great spinner. No doubt McGill was very good on his day but not close to Warne IMO.
 
McGill was world class and potentially a 400-500 wicket bowler who deserved to play 100+ Tests but was extremely unlucky for obvious reasons.

Of course his stock leg spinner wasn't comparable to Warne, but he had an exceptional googly.
 
shane bond i love to watch his bowling.....simply fantastic......if he wasnt injured may be he compete with steyn for no 1 bowler....
 
cars112 said:
Yes - second only to Mohammad Amir.



Being an Indian fan, you are very likely to have zero understanding or appreciation of fast bowling so you are forgiven for this ridiculous statement.
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Bond >>>> Amir

Any Day of the week.

Let me know when Amir does this


The only thing Amir was better at well you know.

Regarding not knowing about cricket.Well your knowledge about cricket is well known.
 
90MPH said:
There is no comparison because Amir not just swung the ball, but he swung it late, was accurate, had a very good off cutter, had a very good cricket brain, should I go on ??

If you don't think Amir should be welcomed back once his ban is over fine, if he's not a great loss for the last 5 years Fine, but please don't insult our intelligence by comparing him to Ishant
"Unlucky" Sharma.
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All this on basis of what?One good series in England?
 
Lol some jealous Indians here. When they can't produce fast bowlers themselves, they cling on to bowlers from other countries just to downgrade bowlers from Pak. I'll be blunt here, most of you don't know anything about fast bowling.
 
cricketjoshila said:
All this on basis of what?One good series in England?
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He played several U19 and Pakistan A games with already established cricketers and produced comparatively astounding figures. And you need to watch highlights of him against Australia, New Zealand and Sri Lanka.

Not only were they exhibitions of swing, same and pace, but the fact he regularly outfoxed world class batsmen such as Sanga, Jayawardene, Clarke, Ponting etc. was a treat to watch. Youngest bowler ever to get 50 wickets and I think youngest to get a 5fer, also was close to being youngest to get a hat-trick.

How can we even forget bowling a 5 wicket maiden over against Australia (yes 3 were run outs but the fact that Australia scored 190 but couldn't score a run in the final over shows his class).
 
Fastandfurious said:
Lol some jealous Indians here. When they can't produce fast bowlers themselves, they cling on to bowlers from other countries just to downgrade bowlers from Pak. I'll be blunt here, most of you don't know anything about fast bowling.
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Only people who agree with views of posters like you know about fast bowling.

Let me be blunt.Look up the word Bias.
 
Cricket_Engineer said:
He played several U19 and Pakistan A games with already established cricketers and produced comparatively astounding figures. And you need to watch highlights of him against Australia, New Zealand and Sri Lanka.

Not only were they exhibitions of swing, same and pace, but the fact he regularly outfoxed world class batsmen such as Sanga, Jayawardene, Clarke, Ponting etc. was a treat to watch. Youngest bowler ever to get 50 wickets and I think youngest to get a 5fer, also was close to being youngest to get a hat-trick.

How can we even forget bowling a 5 wicket maiden over against Australia (yes 3 were run outs but the fact that Australia scored 190 but couldn't score a run in the final over shows his class).
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Bond was outfoxing Pontings and Tendulkars and Dravids and Gillys etc at their peaks.Take out that series in England and Aamir has nothing much to show in tests.

Bonds first ODI series in 2001-02 was againist Aus and SA in Aus and he was the highest wicket taker.He followed.That up with a devastating WC in 2003 before he first got injured.Aamir hasnt done anything like that.Likes of Jayawardene are FTBs and Ponting was way past his prime in 2010.

I sa2 Bond make his debut in AUS in tests and he made the likes of Hayden Waugh Langer jump and fend.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Bond was outfoxing Pontings and Tendulkars and Dravids and Gillys etc at their peaks.Take out that series in England and Aamir has nothing much to show in tests.

Bonds first ODI series in 2001-02 was againist Aus and SA in Aus and he was the highest wicket taker.He followed.That up with a devastating WC in 2003 before he first got injured.Aamir hasnt done anything like that.Likes of Jayawardene are FTBs and Ponting was way past his prime in 2010.

I sa2 Bond make his debut in AUS in tests and he made the likes of Hayden Waugh Langer jump and fend.
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Nothing to show for it? What do you expect from a 18 year old, to have claimed 300 wickets or something? Like I said look at the his series against Australia, New Zealand and Sri Lanka and those are clear indicators of a complete bowler and that too at the age of 17/18.

Let's not forget his ODI and T20 exploits, taking out Tendulkars and Pontings as well. In fact, in the Champions Trophy game against India I remember that Dravid had no clue how to play Amir and scooped the ball up at least 3 times.

You are comparing Bond who was at least 10 years older than a 17 year old prodigy. Don't get me wrong, Bond also had more potential than 95% of every bowler across the world and already achieved in his very short career more than any Indian phhassttt bowler, but Amir as a bowler >>>> Bond as a bowler.

You should really look up to your own bowlers like Harbhajan Singh, I'm sure he is a great role model for you guys. If you prefer pace then go hang up a poster of India's best domestic bowler Pankaj Singh on your wall. It's not a good look regularly idolising bowlers from across the bond such as Steyn, Bond, Johnson and Brett Lee.
 
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Cricket_Engineer said:
Nothing to show for it? What do you expect from a 18 year old, to have claimed 300 wickets or something? Like I said look at the his series against Australia, New Zealand and Sri Lanka and those are clear indicators of a complete bowler and that too at the age of 17/18.

Let's not forget his ODI and T20 exploits, taking out Tendulkars and Pontings as well. In fact, in the Champions Trophy game against India I remember that Dravid had no clue how to play Amir and scooped the ball up at least 3 times.

You are comparing Bond who was at least 10 years older than a 17 year old prodigy. Don't get me wrong, Bond also had more potential than 95% of every bowler across the world and already achieved in his very short career more than any Indian phhassttt bowler, but Amir as a bowler >>>> Bond as a bowler.

You should really look up to your own bowlers like Harbhajan Singh, I'm sure he is a great role model for you guys. If you prefer pace then go hang up a poster of India's best domestic bowler Pankaj Singh on your wall. It's not a good look regularly idolising bowlers from across the bond such as Steyn, Bond, Johnson and Brett Lee.
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So you agree he doesnt have much to show.But we have to hail him as some rare specie who gave batsmen night mares.

Please do post his stats taking out the matches in England.

Why are you bringing Indian bowlers here?Is this thread about them?Insecurity?


Btw A bowler with 51 wickets @ 29 is better than a bowler with 87 wickets at 22 in tests.

Also the bowler with 25 wickets @ 24 is better than the bowler with 147 wickets @ 20.88

Only on PP.

Truth is Aamer is hyped up on PP and hero worshipped as some demigod.He was a promising 18 yr old thats all.
 
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