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Is Shane Bond the biggest loss to cricket in the last 10-15 years?

cricketjoshila said:
So you agree he doesnt have much to show.But we have to hail him as some rare specie who gave batsmen night mares.

Please do post his stats taking out the matches in England.

Why are you bringing Indian bowlers here?Is this thread about them?Insecurity?


Btw A bowler with 51 wickets @ 29 is better than a bowler with 87 wickets at 22 in tests.

Also the bowler with 25 wickets @ 24 is better than the bowler with 147 wickets @ 20.88

Only on PP.

Truth is Aamer is hyped up on PP and hero worshipped as some demigod.He was a promising 18 yr old thats all.
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I'm sure that Imran Khan and Wasim Akram know more about fast bowling than anyone in the world, let alone someone from a country that regularly produces bowlers such as Vinay Kumar and Ashok Dinda.

Imran Khan said that he has never seen a bowler as special as Amir, and considering he has played in the era of some of the greatest fast bowlers across the globe including SA and WI is saying something.

And Wasim Akram himself admitted that Amir had/has way more ability than him, and this is coming from the greatest fast bowler of all time.

So unless you want to argue with their views then it only shows your blind jealously. :19: :23:

(And for the record I said Bond should have been up there with ATGs, but Amir was ahead in terms of potential/talent).
 
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Loss of Aamir and Bond is as big as it could get. They made great batsmen struggle. Those times were fun. Hope we see Aamir in full form again.

Hemang Badani was another big loss. Injuries consumed his cricket.
 
ChennaiFan said:
Loss of Aamir and Bond is as big as it could get. They made great batsmen struggle. Those times were fun. Hope we see Aamir in full form again.

Hemang Badani was another big loss. Injuries consumed his cricket.
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Thank you.

Even if you dont want Amir back its totally understandable.

But at least you appreciated his Talent.
 
Amir debuted at 17, was a complete bowler at 18. Bond debuted at 26.

When was the last time we saw an 18 year old who had the skill set and bowling acumen of Amir? Never.

End of conversation.
 
Amir was a promising bowler, but to compare him to Bond when he's done nothing to even be compared to him?

He may end up a better bowler than him, but for now, it's a no contest.

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Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	4w	5w	10
Tests	18	32	3372	1922	87	6/51	10/99	22.09	3.41	38.7	7	5	1
ODIs	82	80	4295	3070	147	6/19	6/19	20.88	4.28	29.2	7	4	0
 
Aman said:
Amir was a promising bowler, but to compare him to Bond when he's done nothing to even be compared to him?

He may end up a better bowler than him, but for now, it's a no contest.

Code: 
Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	4w	5w	10
Tests	18	32	3372	1922	87	6/51	10/99	22.09	3.41	38.7	7	5	1
ODIs	82	80	4295	3070	147	6/19	6/19	20.88	4.28	29.2	7	4	0
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Was comparing potential but Indians took it as comparing careers for some reason.
 
Fastandfurious said:
Amir debuted at 17, was a complete bowler at 18. Bond debuted at 26.

When was the last time we saw an 18 year old who had the skill set and bowling acumen of Amir? Never.

End of conversation.
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Nonsense. He had potential to be a complete bowler, but his performances outside of England proved that he was nowhere near being a complete bowler. Even Anderson looks unplayable in England, but you cannot call him a complete bowler based on that.

Amir had a lot to prove, so let's not over-hype him so much.
 
Electron said:
Nonsense. He had potential to be a complete bowler, but his performances outside of England proved that he was nowhere near being a complete bowler. Even Anderson looks unplayable in England, but you cannot call him a complete bowler based on that.

Amir had a lot to prove, so let's not over-hype him so much.
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Complete in skillset. Yeah, he has to prove himself. He did pick up a 5-fer in Australia.
 
Amir was a phenomenal talent, anyone who cannot see that needs to see a neurologist as soon as possible.

Ishant Sharma looked a devastating bowler back in 2008 but he never showed half the skill Amir did. He was just an aggressive version of Irfan who bowled hostile spells at great pace using his height to great advantage.
 
Amir isn't a devastating loss, he'll be bowling again soon, InshAllah and still has a decade at the top level.

Bond and Asif were the greatest losses in recent times.
 
Mamoon said:
Bond was a more complete bowler. He was faster and had the ability to move the ball both ways at will and was excellent with reverse swing and bouncer as well.

Steyn is the best exponent of reverse swing today and has the greatest outswinger in history but his conventional inswinger is not good enough and nor is his bouncer lethal. Also, his pace is overrated.

I have no doubt in my mind that Bond was a better bowler.
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Bond was more complete than McGrath too but that meabs nothing. Steyn was simply better. Bond couldnt do it subcontinent.
 
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My favorite bowling action :)

He was a real quality. Disappointed his career cut short because of injuries.
 
in case of amir, i won't consider it as a lost because he brought it upon himself. he didn't have the character, integrity, morality to survive at the international level.

Bond on the other hand, had sheer misfortunes in his life.

if movies are made, one should know who will be the hero and who will end up as loser as kambli.
 
Itachi said:
until....

history repeats it self. i wouldn't be surprise if amir happens to do the same action again.
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and if he does not , we are in for a treat.

I am pretty sure after learning a lesson he will be a total retard to do it again.

Sitting out of international cricket when you are in the form of your life , if this doesnt teach him a lesson then nothing can.
 
Itachi said:
until....

history repeats it self. i wouldn't be surprise if amir happens to do the same action again.
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As Jibran says he will be the biggest idiot ever just to attempt what he did again.

Use some common logic please.

There is no guarantee Amir will return, there is no guarantee he will be the same bowler, a fair few don't want him back that I have no problem with.

But if this sounds a little offensive so be it - if Indian fans like you and many others on this thread can't appreciate this sort of talented bowling what Amir achieved in 14 months of playing international cricket is there any wonder India have not produced a world class pace bowler or close to it in the last 65 years or so ?
 
Fastandfurious said:
Complete in skillset. Yeah, he has to prove himself. He did pick up a 5-fer in Australia.
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He bowled very well out here. Impressed everybody but didn't have great luck. What was noticeable is that he bowled 147-150k out here on hard pitches when it was too hot and dry to swing, but had the brains & skill to pull back to low 140s and control the swing when he bowled in England. very adaptable and smart bowling.
 
wrongun said:
He bowled very well out here. Impressed everybody but didn't have great luck. What was noticeable is that he bowled 147-150k out here on hard pitches when it was too hot and dry to swing, but had the brains & skill to pull back to low 140s and control the swing when he bowled in England. very adaptable and smart bowling.
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Told like a guy who actually saw a lot of that tour. People forget how he adapted. People also forget he was hitting 150 at times and all the commentators especially Nicholas kept hinting that Amir was faking his age because they found it bewildering that a 17 year old was that quick.
 
Bond definitely the greatest tragedy.

Asif a huge loss(doesn't matter if it was his own fault) and Akhtar not even playing 50 tests.

Macgill although had a decent career is also a what could have been? better bowler than Kumble tbh but will never get even close to the acclaim
 
Muhammad Amir is hell overrated here , he had a potential to be a good bowler. But if he look at his career he only excelled in bowling friendly conditions , failed in srilanka where there was little help for quick bowlers.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Muhammad Amir is hell overrated here , he had a potential to be a good bowler. But if he look at his career he only excelled in bowling friendly conditions , failed in srilanka where there was little help for quick bowlers.
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Someone understands the point of "jealous Indians" and why many of us think that Bond was a bigger loss to cricket.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Muhammad Amir is hell overrated here , he had a potential to be a good bowler. But if he look at his career he only excelled in bowling friendly conditions , failed in srilanka where there was little help for quick bowlers.
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wasn't bond failed in UAE
 
Aamir 'll come back strongly - belated, but not lost yet. In last 15 years, it has to be Asif - oh what an unique talent. I think, Asif would have been difficult in UAE as well. Obviously not taking 5 wickets/match at 20, but he would have troubled any batsman on any surface. His trait was beating the batsmen in air & making them play at everything. Not easy, even on roads facing a 500+ total & then someone bowling at perfect length everything you have to play. His 11 wickets in SRL was on a slow & grass-less wicket.

Bond indeed was a great loss, may be Irfan Pathan as well. In fact, I think KP missed about 6,000- 7,000 International runs & ~20 more hundreds - English players often play very late, even into 40s.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
And if he doesnt still Bond has done much more so as it stands today Bond is a bigger loss and showed more potential in terms of performances.
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Well said. People forget that out of four countries Amir played in, he averaged 43+ in three of them. (Sri Lanka, Australia and NZ)

Even Anderson/Bhuvi look great in England, but that doesn't mean that we compare them to Bond. :facepalm:
 
For all our Indian friends, watch and enjoy this compilation :) :

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ALL his dismissals, excluding his dropped catches which probably made up half. The pace, the manner of dismissals and the players he took out :19:
 
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Electron said:
Well said. People forget that out of four countries Amir played in, he averaged 43+ in three of them. (Sri Lanka, Australia and NZ)

Even Anderson/Bhuvi look great in England, but that doesn't mean that we compare them to Bond. :facepalm:
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Actually that doesn't tell anything - being a hostile fast bowler Bond averages 96 in AUS. Takeout his figures against ZIM & BD, he 'll average in high 20s. His only 10fer is against ZIM. His figures against IND are inflated because of the wicket in 2002 series. He also averages almost 40 in SRL & never played elsewhere in subcontinent.

That doesn't take anything out of Bond - a truly outstanding fast bowler. But that doesn't mean Aamir should get a bashing - he was better than any 17 years old I have ever seen. & it's not about his bowling only - Aamir could have been a batsman as good to bat at 7. Unbelievable potential - I am sure at his age Wasim wasn't that good. Had he gone for that Yorkshire contract, by this time he could have been as hostile as Johnson with lot more swing & variation.

Aamir was the dumbest of the lot - I don't know how much he earned from the bookies, but he had the cricket world in his feet - for next 20 years, he could have been the highest earning cricketer outside India.
 
How about Mohammad Zahid? Big loss for cricket from what I saw of him.
 
The Sydney Thunder are on the lookout for a new head coach after Shane Bond put his family first and opted for a summer at home rather than return to the KFC BBL.

Bond is also bowling coach with the Mumbai Indians in the IPL, currently with the franchise in Delhi in a strict biosecurity bubble as the coronavirus pandemic sweeps through the general population.

Bond joined the Thunder in March 2018 to take up his first head coach role after three seasons as an assistant coach at the Brisbane Heat under Daniel Vettori, leading the club to back-to-back finals appearances the past two summers.

"I loved my time with the Thunder but with so much uncertainty around travel restrictions these days and not knowing what that might look like I just didn't want to miss another summer at home," Bond said.

"I haven't had one there for six years and my wife Tracey has had to carry the load. I want to be there again before I get to the point where my girls get to the end of high school. My son has some important cricket coming up too and I want to be there for that."

Bond's exit is the second major coaching change in Sydney this week after Cricket NSW moved Dominic Thornley on from his role with the NSW Breakers side to a role in male pathway development.

The Thunder are also hunting for a new skipper for BBL|11 and beyond after the club sensationally sacked former captain Callum Ferguson last summer.

The 36-year-old Ferguson was the Thunder's second-leading run-scorer in BBL|10 – behind only England import Alex Hales – having piled up 405 runs at 31.15 at a strike rate of 123.85, all while leading the Thunder to third on the BBL|10 ladder with eight wins from their 14 games in the regular season.

Bond singled out Ferguson for thanks in his farewell statement from the club as "our captain and someone I worked very closely with".

Ferguson was this week picked up the Lahore Qalanders in the draft for the resumption of the Pakistan Super League T20 competition in June.

Bond had been out of contract after BBL|10 but Cricket NSW Head of Cricket Greg Mail said the 45-year-old former New Zealand quick would have been welcomed back next summer.

"He has been critical to the emergence of some brilliant young NSW based talent over the last two years whilst also bringing the best out of some of our established local and international players," Mail said in a statement.

"We are a values-based organisation and although we would have loved to have seen Shane at the helm next summer, choosing to spend time with his family is a decision we respect.

"His decision sits well with us and we wish Shane, Tracey and family all the best. We hope there's a second chapter in the Bond/Thunder story somewhere down the track."

The Melbourne Renegades are also in the hunt for a new head coach after Michael Klinger left his post at the club to take up a role at Cricket NSW as head of male cricket.

Bond leaves the club with eight players on the books for BBL|11, while clubs have been unable to recruit with the annual contracting embargo in place while league administrators review the previous season.

A number of new rules were introduced last summer, and plans for an international draft are yet to be finalised.

Sydney Thunder BBL|11 list so far: Ben Cutting, Matt Gilkes, Chris Green, Usman Khawaja, Alex Ross, Daniel Sams, Chris Tremain, Tanveer Sangha.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/sydney-thunder-shane-bond-head-coach-part-ways-bbl11/2021-04-30
 
Nope I think Mohammad Asif is the biggest loss to international cricket over the past 20 years specially test cricket. And the biggest loss in Pakistan cricket history.
 
I'd love to see this guy working at the NHPC one day and working with Pakistan's up and coming pacers.

Whether that will happen only time will tell, but it would be fantastic for the likes of Naseem Shah, Musa Khan etc to be able to work with Bond.
 
Saj said:
I'd love to see this guy working at the NHPC one day and working with Pakistan's up and coming pacers.

Whether that will happen only time will tell, but it would be fantastic for the likes of Naseem Shah, Musa Khan etc to be able to work with Bond.
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His stock is too high to work in NHPC for Pakistan. Even if he gets the high profile job of Pak bowling coach, it would look like a huge coup for PCB.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
His stock is too high to work in NHPC for Pakistan. Even if he gets the high profile job of Pak bowling coach, it would look like a huge coup for PCB.
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If the money is right and they are available, then most of these guys will jump at the chance to work with promising young pace-bowlers who are eager to learn from them.
 
Saj said:
If the money is right and they are available, then most of these guys will jump at the chance to work with promising young pace-bowlers who are eager to learn from them.
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It's unlikely. He left the Sydney Thunder role because he doesn't want to be away from his family. Doubt he will want a job working at international level.
 
He was indeed a big loss. He would have been 1 of the great fast bowlers had he not had injury problem. He had such a smooth action
 
Yes, a big loss.
He would have been an all timer, no doubts
Unfortunate for the injuries
Other names I can think off is Simon Jones, Ian Bishop.
Another Guy who I feel if not for a frail frame would have been someone special was Bruce Reid of Australia. If not for people like Merv Hughes, Craig mcd in his era, and his own frequently injured conditions, he was well nigh unplayable...
 
Hasan123 said:
It's unlikely. He left the Sydney Thunder role because he doesn't want to be away from his family. Doubt he will want a job working at international level.
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I'm not suggesting a 12 month contract with the international team.

Perhaps at the NHPC when camps etc are held.

PCB should explore the possibility.
 
What a bowler he was if not for injuries he could've achieved a lot in international cricket.
 
Without a question. The guy was better than Dale Steyn at everything and that is saying something!
 
Mamoon said:
My favorite bowler along with Waqar. Back in the day I would watch NZ play just for him.

Better than Akhtar, better than Lee and I daresay better than Steyn.

A future ATG and the greatest bowler of this generation. Indeed cricket's greatest tragedy.
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Certainly would have loved seeing Waqar and Shane Bond bowling together in there peak.
 
Reading first page of his thread makes you think as if Amir was done speed merchant regularly clocking 150k spell after spell.

His bowling was never about speed and nor was that his big strength
 
This thread was supposed to be about Bond, but it became about Amir and this has not aged well.
Reading some of the comments about Amir in page 1 makes me sad for his fans.

He's really put them through a lot of trauma with his drop in performance and his behaviour in general!
 
MP2011 said:
Bond was nothing like Asif who relied more on swing rather than pace which was Bond's premier weapon.
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He meant their career ends prematurely, asif ends his own career while injuries cost Shane Bond..
 
Well he wasn't really a loss considering he did end up with 150+international wickets. He had a tricky body and a bowling action that gives me a backache just by watching it.

I'd say Simon Harmer could be said to have been a big loss for international cricket considering the kind of performances he has been putting in the county.

A case could be made for Brad Hodge as well. Andre Russell too considering he has mostly been playing t20is only. He could have done great things in ODIs. Jesse Ryder too. His personal troubles got the better of him. He was one of the most talented guys in NZC.
 
The biggest loss is Phillip Hughes. Could have been playing for national team till date but unfortunate thing happened. Very sad incident.
 
Irfan Pathan is the biggest loss to cricket in last 15-20 years.
 
The BLACKCAPS have added Shane Bond as a fourth coach for the upcoming ICC T20 World Cup in the UAE and the following three-game T20 International series against India.

The former fast bowler is no stranger to the team following a three-year tenure as bowling coach (2012-15) and helped out as recently as 2019 in a T20 series against England, along with stints leading New Zealand A.

Since stepping back as Sydney Thunder coach earlier this year, Bond has been assisting the men’s winter training squads at Lincoln and also helped the WHITE FERNS prepare for their tour of England.

The 46-year-old will next month resume his role as bowling coach with the Mumbai Indians as IPL21 restarts in the UAE, before linking up with the BLACKCAPS T20 World Cup squad.

Head coach Gary Stead said it was great to add someone of Bond’s experience to the group.

“Shane’s been in our environment before and understands what we’re about,” Stead said.

“Being in the UAE (with the IPL) immediately prior to the world cup … he’ll hopefully bring some tactical insight into what’s been happening in the competition.

“He’ll be an extra set of hands especially around the bowlers, working with the spin and the pace bowlers and developing their plans in a tournament that moves pretty quick - so we need to be one step ahead of other teams.

“Shane’s been working away with New Zealand players for a long time and he’s been involved in our recent camps so it’s been good for him to reacquaint himself with our guys.

“He’s held in high regard and I know he’ll bring a lot of knowledge and opinions to the group.”

Stead has utilised a fourth coach during past home summers such as Bond’s stint in late 2019, but the role has also been employed for away tours to England and Sri Lanka as well as world events including the recent ICC ODI World Cup - where current batting coach Luke Ronchi was the fourth assistant.

“The fourth coach for me is an opportunity to bring in different voices to the environment and we’ve used it in a whole host of ways in the past,” he said.

“Shane is someone who always adds value and we’re delighted to have him on board.”
 
The New Zealand cricket team is leaving no stone unturned to prepare for the T20 World Cup 2021. After roping in IPL-winning coach Stephen Fleming to their coaching staff, the team has made another major addition to the staff. Shane Bond, who played 120 international matches for the Black Caps across formats, has joined NZ to work with 'spin bowlers'.

Like Fleming, Bond is also a veteran coach in IPL and has been part of Mumbai Indians' coaching staff for over five years now. He landed in UAE a few months back for the 2nd phase of the IPL 2021 and is now coaching NZ's spinners.

Apart from MI, Bond has worked with other teams in franchise cricket. He is a former New Zealand bowling coach and has also worked with the England cricket team.

It isn't known whether he will be staying in UAE for the complete duration of the tournament or not. Fleming, who coached Chennai Super Kings to a title win in IPL 2021, had only joined NZ for a few days and is expected to leave UAE soon.

NZ kick off their T20 World Cup campaign against Pakistan on October 26. They will next face India (on October 31). Their next three fixtures will take place on November 3, 5 and 7.

The Kane Williamson-led side didn't have a great run in warm-up fixtures and lost both its ties - against Australia and England. To add to it, the team management is sweating over Williamson's fitness as he is dealing with an elbow issue.

“We're still pretty hopeful and confident that if we get the rest right, initially here now, and get that balance right then he should be right to play. Kane is a prodigious hitter of and balls, he loves to prepare that way as well, and in some ways that's probably the worst thing he can do, is over-hit at times," said head coach Gary Stead.

“So it's really getting that balance right, between feeling ready and feeling prepared to go, and making sure we don't aggravate anything.”

NZ have never won the T20 WC trophy and are aiming to end their title drought on this occasion.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...teams-coaching-staff-for-t20-world-cup/825362
 
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