Is SuryaKumar Yadav the most overrated/overhyped player ever?

[jnaveen1980]

No I didn’t see it, don’t really follow Indian cricket - I’ve only seen him against Pakistan and he looks terrible.

Then don't tell us look for someone else. He is one of a kind. A strike rate of 170 with 7 fifties any team would kill to have someone like him.

 

[shariqnoor]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] i think he's genuinely a world class batsman. Got a brute of a delivery from Rauf today otherwise he was looking good. He has failed against Pakistan but his batting credentials cannot be doubted.

 

[TheSultan]

Then don't tell us look for someone else. He is one of a kind. A strike rate of 170 with 7 fifties any team would kill to have someone like him.

It shows in pressure games, he’s a bit weak. Look elsewhere india. This kid ain’t doing anything.

 

[topspin]

The stats suggest he's more than just a good player. I would take him over any player in the Pakistan team actually.

To average 37 is decent but what stands out is the strike rate in the mid 170s. That's unreal for a number 4 batsman after 35 T20Is.

I don't know how anyone can suggest he's overrated.

 

[Rana]

The stats suggest he's more than just a good player. I would take him over any player in the Pakistan team actually.

To average 37 is decent but what stands out is the strike rate in the mid 170s. That's unreal for a number 4 batsman after 35 T20Is.

I don't know how anyone can suggest he's overrated.

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Someone who fawns over Misbah and his pathetic tactics would call him overrated

 

[topspin]

Someone who fawns over Misbah and his pathetic tactics would call him overrated

In the same format:

Misbah had the same average

BUT BUT BUT

Strike rate of 110

 

[Rana]

In the same format:

Misbah had the same average

BUT BUT BUT

Strike rate of 110

Hahahaahahahahahahahahahhaahah

And he continued the torture by appointing a 120 sr player as an opener

 

[Major]

Oh please admins, delete this thread, honestly some of the pakistani posters are embarrasing the rest of us. There are many other teams than Pakistan on this planet and people who have watched SKY bat know he is a dangerous player, doesn't matter if he fails against one particular team or not.

how are you being embarrassed? plz explain this.

Pakistan is a quality side, and every time we play India SKY is mentioned, he hasnt done anything as of yet against us. Yes it does matter. had he performed agaisnt us in 2021 world t20 his team would had won and made it to the semis atleast.

Unless you think Pakistan is some associate team

 

[jnaveen1980]

It shows in pressure games, he’s a bit weak. Look elsewhere india. This kid ain’t doing anything.

Based on this Game Iftikar > Babar. Atleast watch his other games before coming up with the suggestion. You can watch highlights.

 

[Major]

The stats suggest he's more than just a good player. I would take him over any player in the Pakistan team actually.

To average 37 is decent but what stands out is the strike rate in the mid 170s. That's unreal for a number 4 batsman after 35 T20Is.

I don't know how anyone can suggest he's overrated.

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England doesnt have a good pace bowling attack, there ownly pacer that can trouble opponenets is Mark Wood and Mark Wood did not play in that series where Surya Kumar went to England.

He got a century in nottingham, but even with a century his team lost. England won that match

He seems to be a flat track bully who performs in subcontinent. Funny thing is in UAE when he came against quality bowling he struggled. He got out to Fareed Ahmad against Afghanistan. His only performance was against Hong Kong and Sri Lanka

Sure, in India he might be the king and can smack runs, but this guy is highly over rated. Maybe when he performs against Pakistani bowling than he can be right up there. But he has failed 4 times, maybe 5th time is the charm

 

[jnaveen1980]

England doesnt have a good pace bowling attack, there ownly pacer that can trouble opponenets is Mark Wood and Mark Wood did not play in that series where Surya Kumar went to England.

He got a century in nottingham, but even with a century his team lost. England won that match

He seems to be a flat track bully who performs in subcontinent. Funny thing is in UAE when he came against quality bowling he struggled. He got out to Fareed Ahmad against Afghanistan. His only performance was against Hong Kong and Sri Lanka

Sure, in India he might be the king and can smack runs, but this guy is highly over rated. Maybe when he performs against Pakistani bowling than he can be right up there. But he has failed 4 times, maybe 5th time is the charm

Trying hard with filters?

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[jnaveen1980]

SKY is one of the best player against high pace. He thrashed 146kph ball over point for six effortlessly An outrageous shot maker. Hope India plays a 7 match T20 series against Paksitan lol

 

[Major]

SKY is one of the best player against high pace. He thrashed 146kph ball over point for six effortlessly An outrageous shot maker. Hope India plays a 7 match T20 series against Paksitan lol

so it will take him 7 t20s to prove himself? we already saw what he did in 4

 

[jnaveen1980]

so it will take him 7 t20s to prove himself? we already saw what he did in 4

He pulled Afridi for six. Even here he played two very good shots. He gets out only when he plays one of these fancy shots. Don't care how he does against Pakistan. Pandya is enough against Pakistan.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India can very well under-rate Warne based on his performances against India. We won't do that.

 

[Rana]

India can very well under-rate Warne based on his performances against India. We won't do that.

Bhai mere.

Bolne dou op ko

Takleef hua hai bechare ko

 

[sweep_shot]

SKY is still new to the scene.

He has done well in England. Still a long way to go.

 

[introvert]

Talented but appears too flashy. Need to curb his invincible batting attitude according to match situation.

 

[topspin]

England doesnt have a good pace bowling attack, there ownly pacer that can trouble opponenets is Mark Wood and Mark Wood did not play in that series where Surya Kumar went to England.

He got a century in nottingham, but even with a century his team lost. England won that match

He seems to be a flat track bully who performs in subcontinent. Funny thing is in UAE when he came against quality bowling he struggled. He got out to Fareed Ahmad against Afghanistan. His only performance was against Hong Kong and Sri Lanka

Sure, in India he might be the king and can smack runs, but this guy is highly over rated. Maybe when he performs against Pakistani bowling than he can be right up there. But he has failed 4 times, maybe 5th time is the charm

Bro lets not clutch at straws and deal in facts.

In T20s, the wickets are conducive for high scoring and therefore suit "flat track bullies" like Jason Roy, Alex Hales, Guptill and etc.

There isn't much lateral movement in T20s. In this format pitches are prepared in favour of the batsmen. The only real difference between the surfaces you find across the globe is the pace of the wicket. Some are fast, some are slow and most are somewhere in between.

Yes India lost that game in Nottingham but that's because he literally had no support! Literally none whatsoever.



For him to score a ton and at a 200+ strike rate on his own actually makes his innings even more impressive.

India did however win the series and win the other two games. He made an excellent contribution in one of these matches, where he scored 39 off 19 balls. He was also the second highest run scorer in that contest.

England may not have a good pace bowling attack, but that's not even relevant because the question that needs to be asked is why was he so far ahead of everyone else who batted in that series? - which included Rohit, Kohli, Roy, Buttler and Livingstone. They're all world class T20I batsman.



Finally, if he's so overrated, how do you average near 40 and maintain a 170+ strike rate after 35 matches? If that's so easy, why hasn't anyone in the Pakistan team come near to these stats.

That strike rate as a number 4 batsman is no joke. It's actually amazing and no one can deny that.

Bro lets be honest, you came up with this thread without doing your research and decided to base your views on a few Pakistan v India encounters right?

 

[topspin]

At present, I would happily swap Babar and Rizwan for SKY. That's an absolute no brainer for me.

Anyone who disagrees with this is either needs to take off their green tints or simply doesn't understand the current demands of T20 cricket.

 

[Major]

Bro lets not clutch at straws and deal in facts.

In T20s, the wickets are conducive for high scoring and therefore suit "flat track bullies" like Jason Roy, Alex Hales, Guptill and etc.

There isn't much lateral movement in T20s. In this format pitches are prepared in favour of the batsmen. The only real difference between the surfaces you find across the globe is the pace of the wicket. Some are fast, some are slow and most are somewhere in between.

Yes India lost that game in Nottingham but that's because he literally had no support! Literally none whatsoever.

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For him to score a ton and at a 200+ strike rate on his own actually makes his innings even more impressive.

India did however win the series and win the other two games. He made an excellent contribution in one of these matches, where he scored 39 off 19 balls. He was also the second highest run scorer in that contest.

England may not have a good pace bowling attack, but that's not even relevant because the question that needs to be asked is why was he so far ahead of everyone else who batted in that series? - which included Rohit, Kohli, Roy, Buttler and Livingstone. They're all world class T20I batsman.

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Finally, if he's so overrated, how do you average near 40 and maintain a 170+ strike rate after 35 matches? If that's so easy, why hasn't anyone in the Pakistan team come near to these stats.

That strike rate as a number 4 batsman is no joke. It's actually amazing and no one can deny that.

Bro lets be honest, you came up with this thread without doing your research and decided to base your views on a few Pakistan v India encounters right?

there used to be a jonathan trott who avg high in odis, at one point in his career he was avging near 60s. All was good, till he met Mitchell Johnson who scared him with his bouncer. The guy wasnt the same batter afterwards.

Trott also in odis had good scores, but English fans never hyped him up.

You showed me Suryas stats, might be good, but I have seen how Indians hype him, how they claim him to be soo good that at no.4 he will take over the highest run scorer.

So lets see. This thread is here, what can he do in this world cup. Minnow bashing? Or score runs against proper sides.

 

[the Great Khan]

Many years ago on this forum I would have said he's operated but I've learnt that it comes to bite us.. lol..

 

[topspin]

there used to be a jonathan trott who avg high in odis, at one point in his career he was avging near 60s. All was good, till he met Mitchell Johnson who scared him with his bouncer. The guy wasnt the same batter afterwards.

Trott also in odis had good scores, but English fans never hyped him up.

You showed me Suryas stats, might be good, but I have seen how Indians hype him, how they claim him to be soo good that at no.4 he will take over the highest run scorer.

So lets see. This thread is here, what can he do in this world cup. Minnow bashing? Or score runs against proper sides.

I know where you're coming from and yes SKY may fade away. Time will tell which is why I say at present I'd swap our openers for him in a heartbeat.

I remember when Trott went through that purple patch and looked invincible but there's a big difference here. SKY is a very gifted player. His natural ability is there for everyone to see.

Trott faded away very quickly after 2010 even though he'd only made his debut the year before that.

Lets see what happens. I just hope we can produce some top tier T20 batsman because I'm yet to see one yet.

 

[saeedhk]

you make posts but dont stay around to argue further.

This is what, third or 4th match which he played against us? Im still waiting for him to tear our bowling.

I was told that this is the guy who is the true no.1. Yet, against quality bowling he fails.

Or does it take him 5 matches to perform against a quality side?

Quality side? You need to watch his innings of 117 in England against good bowling where he annihilated everyone to all sides of the park. Just in the last Australia series, he stood out and played clutch knocks. He is an absolute freak!

 

[jnaveen1980]

SKY is the only guy who can play the shot that KOhli played today. on the up. He can do that through off side as well.

 

[Major]

Quality side? You need to watch his innings of 117 in England against good bowling where he annihilated everyone to all sides of the park. Just in the last Australia series, he stood out and played clutch knocks. He is an absolute freak!

Did he win?

 

[ex-q-zit]

Did he win?

Cricket is a team game. No one (not even Kohli who needed Pandya's support today) can chase a target over 200 single handedly. As long as you view things through a prism of bias things will always appear skewed.

 

[Smbhayi]

No. lol Did you even watch his 117 at Trentbridge. Tell me who can pull off those incredible 360 degree shots in the world.

His fifty in Trivandrum was a high quality innings against full strength South African team.. the ball was swinging and seaming throughout the match and yet he scored at 150+ strike rate, everyone else struggled in that pitch..

 

[jnaveen1980]

His fifty in Trivandrum was a high quality innings against full strength South African team.. the ball was swinging and seaming throughout the match and yet he scored at 150+ strike rate, everyone else struggled in that pitch..

Yes. He hardly has any weaknesses. There is another guy Patidar technically correct and also can be brutal. Fantastic against short ball like Shubman Gill.

 

[saeedhk]

Did he win?

You mean India? Nope. That is irrelevant. The fact is SKY is a great player.

 

[Mamoon]

Babar and Rizwan are nothing compared to Surya in this format. He is an incredible player.

He would would also average 50+ if he opens against third string attacks and is asked to score a 120 SR half-century.

He plays for the team which is why he plays high risk shots because he cares about the run rate not his average.

He is an absolute gem of a player and his consistency at this strike is amazing. Babar and Rizwan would be averaging in the teens if they strike at 170+.

 

[SamNJ]

Both him and Rahul always fail against Pakistan. Otherwise fine players. Credit to Pakistani bowling attack on this. They won't let flashy players succeed and you have to earn your runs.

 

[MenInG]

Hit a superb fifty for India vs Netherlands

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He is the only exciting player in the entire squad. Rest of them are looking like duds and pretenders.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This guy plays T20 how it is played. Slow pitch, good bowling, big ground, good fielding no worries He plays the only way he knows. Never tuk tuks.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Not as overhyped as choker Misbah ul haq I suppose

 

[SalimBhai]

What a playa

 

[Zerotohero]

Did he win?

Did misbah win T20 2007 finals? No so is he overhyped?

Similar situation you know the answer. It will be same for both.

 

[Major]

Bashed another minnow today

 

[Major]

Did misbah win T20 2007 finals? No so is he overhyped?

Similar situation you know the answer. It will be same for both.

How is misbah overhyped?

 

[HydratedTurnip]

Bashed another minnow today

Sure. But just ask how much pak would love to have a minnow basher in their team, when their batsman struggle against minnows let alone bash them

 

[Dios]

I think not batting Yadav at number 3 to massage Virat's ego is what will cost India the World Cup.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bashed another minnow today

Wait until Pakistan vs Netehrlands match is over. They have a 140 k bowler. You will be facing him on this very ground.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bashed another minnow today

Wait until Pakistan vs Netehrlands match is over. They have a 140 k bowler. You will be facing him on this very ground.

 

[Zerotohero]

Bashed another minnow today

Babar and Rizwan were unable to even bash minnows

 

[Kaptan]

Babar Azam is the most overhyped T20 player ever. Period

 

[cricketjoshila]

Perth vs SA.

We will know.

 

[bala977]

Proper minnow basher, this one.

 

[asarkar]

Surya is a fine player. He tries to play too many shots. Those outrageous shots won’t work where there is assistance for the bowlers(or against the excellent bowling attack). He needs to play every ball to its merit and the pitch condition. His case is akin to young Rohit. If he brings a little bit of control to his attacking game, he’ll be the player for the tournament.

 

[latecut]

In Perth, even Zimbabwe pacers turned out to be too hot to handle for all Pakistani great batsmen, including batsmen rated higher than SKY by the knowledgeable cricket lovers commenting on this thread.

 

[latecut]

Both him and Rahul always fail against Pakistan. Otherwise fine players. Credit to Pakistani bowling attack on this. They won't let flashy players succeed and you have to earn your runs.

So what if they fail against Pakistan ? They will no longer meet Pakistan against in the tournament.

 

[Ab Fan]

Much better than Babar.

 

[Major]

Funny watching indian posters bring babar azam in a thread not related to him.

Stick to Surya or don't comment.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Funny watching indian posters bring babar azam in a thread not related to him.

Stick to Surya or don't comment.

You insult Netherlands as minnows on the day you lost to zimbabwe Netherlands bowling is still very good. It is their batting that is the problem. Even Rohit/Kohli didn't exactly run away.

 

[Rana]

Babar Azam is the most overhyped T20 player ever. Period

No mate

It’s Mohammad Rizwan

 

[Rana]

Much better than Babar.

He is better and braver than Babar and Rizwan combined

 

[Major]

You insult Netherlands as minnows on the day you lost to zimbabwe Netherlands bowling is still very good. It is their batting that is the problem. Even Rohit/Kohli didn't exactly run away.

so you are saying netherlands are not minnows?

 

[jnaveen1980]

so you are saying netherlands are not minnows?

In these conditions their bowling is as good as anybody's bowling. Didn't Ireland give England hell with their pace and movement?

 

[Major]

In these conditions their bowling is as good as anybody's bowling. Didn't Ireland give England hell with their pace and movement?

Ireland is still a minnow, ad yes they won..

So just because Surya performed against Netherlands, they are not Minnows and are a top team? )

Next is what, if Surya performs against Bangladesh, they become the greatest team aswell?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ireland is still a minnow, ad yes they won..

So just because Surya performed against Netherlands, they are not Minnows and are a top team? )

Next is what, if Surya performs against Bangladesh, they become the greatest team aswell?

Reverse the question. Just because he doesn't perform against Pakistan, he become over-rated? you sound like Pakistan is gold standard?

 

[jnaveen1980]

It is not like SKY was struggling. He did smashed a few fours and a six. He is a high risk player. He will give you chances. One day he will get your bowlers too.

 

[Major]

Reverse the question. Just because he doesn't perform against Pakistan, he become over-rated? you sound like Pakistan is gold standard?

Whenever there is Pak vs India, its Indian fans that go on about SKY will do this and SKY will do that. We didnt even know how the hell the guy is nor did we care. Its the indian fans that tell us about SKY day in and day out.

And in 4 games, he has done nothing.

But for some reason me saying that bothers you guys and you bring in Babar Azam here for some reason.

If Indian fans talk him up, than plz show some performance aswell
[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] what you think?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Whenever there is Pak vs India, its Indian fans that go on about SKY will do this and SKY will do that. We didnt even know how the hell the guy is nor did we care. Its the indian fans that tell us about SKY day in and day out.

And in 4 games, he has done nothing.

But for some reason me saying that bothers you guys and you bring in Babar Azam here for some reason.

If Indian fans talk him up, than plz show some performance aswell
[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] what you think?

Hey i was mainly talking to the guy who said "India should look for someone else". Otherwise you don't have to change your opinion for the rest of your life. He is doing a fantastic job for us. That is enough. Against Pakistan? Pandya is enough.

 

[topspin]

Ireland is still a minnow, ad yes they won..

So just because Surya performed against Netherlands, they are not Minnows and are a top team? )

Next is what, if Surya performs against Bangladesh, they become the greatest team aswell?

Bro comon you're saying this as if Babar and Rizwan (who you've backed so much) are better than SKY.

SKY is way better than both players at present. Not just form but also in terms of what they've achieved in their T20 careers to date.

 

[topspin]

He is better and braver than Babar and Rizwan combined

100% - this shouldn't even be up for debate.

 

[Smbhayi]

Whenever there is Pak vs India, its Indian fans that go on about SKY will do this and SKY will do that. We didnt even know how the hell the guy is nor did we care. Its the indian fans that tell us about SKY day in and day out.

And in 4 games, he has done nothing.

But for some reason me saying that bothers you guys and you bring in Babar Azam here for some reason.

If Indian fans talk him up, than plz show some performance aswell
[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] what you think?

He think highly of him, infact for him he's the only exciting player in this team.. sorry..
Btw you may don't know how good/bad is sky but don't generalize it, even in this thread there's lot of pak fans said he's good..

 

[Major]

Bro comon you're saying this as if Babar and Rizwan (who you've backed so much) are better than SKY.

SKY is way better than both players at present. Not just form but also in terms of what they've achieved in their T20 careers to date.

bro, this thread isn't about babar or rizwan. Its about the Indian claim that SKY is the best thing after sliced bread.

Even when Babar or Rizwan plays we admit their short comings, but SKY is billed as the next best thing

 

[Rana]

bro, this thread isn't about babar or rizwan. Its about the Indian claim that SKY is the best thing after sliced bread.

Even when Babar or Rizwan plays we admit their short comings, but SKY is billed as the next best thing

But those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones

Our No.1 and 3 have failed against Zimbabwe today and we are on the brink of a wc exit

 

[jnaveen1980]

bro, this thread isn't about babar or rizwan. Its about the Indian claim that SKY is the best thing after sliced bread.

Even when Babar or Rizwan plays we admit their short comings, but SKY is billed as the next best thing

Yes SKY is the next best thing. You probably are happy with Shadab the next slice of bread batting at no.4, We are happy with a mediocre player like SKy with a strike rate of 172



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[RexRex]

Surya is better than Babar Azam.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bangladesh fans open a thread "Sehwag most over-rated test player"

 

[Local.Dada]

To put it in context Haider Ali has played 32 T20Is and SKY has played 34.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Whenever there is Pak vs India, its Indian fans that go on about SKY will do this and SKY will do that. We didnt even know how the hell the guy is nor did we care. Its the indian fans that tell us about SKY day in and day out.

And in 4 games, he has done nothing.

But for some reason me saying that bothers you guys and you bring in Babar Azam here for some reason.

If Indian fans talk him up, than plz show some performance aswell
[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] what you think?

I think Sky has done well so far. He has failed against only Pakistan. Had he failed against 3-4 teams like Pantab) has, then I would have also called Sky overrated. For me he is the only exciting player in Indian T20 team at the moment. As far as his performances are concerned I think within this world cup he is going to play that magical inning which will clear that doubt. He is perfect for this format. And the intent with which he plays in T20s separates him from the rest of the batsmen in Indian team. I think he should be given a chance to open the inning.

 

[JaDed]

I think Sky has done well so far. He has failed against only Pakistan. Had he failed against 3-4 teams like Pantab) has, then I would have also called Sky overrated. For me he is the only exciting player in Indian T20 team at the moment. As far as his performances are concerned I think within this world cup he is going to play that magical inning which will clear that doubt. He is perfect for this format. And the intent with which he plays in T20s separates him from the rest of the batsmen in Indian team. I think he should be given a chance to open the inning.

I think he is perfect at that spot considering our ridiculous middleorder , I think we should replace Rahul with either Pant/Samson/Gill/Shaw.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think he is perfect at that spot considering our ridiculous middleorder , I think we should replace Rahul with either Pant/Samson/Gill/Shaw.

Pant is another dud. Samson/Gill/Shaw are not in the current squad. How about Deepak Hooda? If I remember correctly Hooda opened in Ireland series as well?

 

[JaDed]

Pant is another dud. Samson/Gill/Shaw are not in the current squad. How about Deepak Hooda? If I remember correctly Hooda opened in Ireland series as well?

Hooda is a great choice for Opening blinder smack it role but they are putting him in the middle order and I don’t think Rohit favors him.

I think they will continue with Rahul and probably drop him after the WC.

Maybe just go for DK lol who knows, even Bishnoi seems better than Rahul right now

 

[topspin]

I think he is perfect at that spot considering our ridiculous middleorder , I think we should replace Rahul with either Pant/Samson/Gill/Shaw.

Shubman Gill looked good against pace and bounce when India last toured Australia.

He should be opening instead of Rahul.

 

[JaDed]

Shubman Gill looked good against pace and bounce when India last toured Australia.

He should be opening instead of Rahul.

Yeah hopefully in the future, somehow management has no backup openers in the squad right now.

Iyer/Hooda/Pant on standby currently.

 

[GreenBee]

Funny watching indian posters bring babar azam in a thread not related to him.

Stick to Surya or don't comment.

Do you even read your own thread?

No, Suryakumar cannot be the most overrated played ever when absolute duds like Babar are compared with Kohli and labelled ATGs.

The answer to the thread quite rightly is Babar Azam.

 

[Major]

Do you even read your own thread?

No, Suryakumar cannot be the most overrated played ever when absolute duds like Babar are compared with Kohli and labelled ATGs.

The answer to the thread quite rightly is Babar Azam.

its funny how many of you have to insult your very own even though the thread isnt even about babar