Is the 2023-24 season the most heart breaking for an Arsenal fan despite some great improvements?

[The Bald Eagle]

Since the start of 2010s, Arsenal had been in doldrum. Fast forward to the appointment of Michael Arteta, his first season was shambolic but he improved significantly afterwards.

But his improvements and clubs big spending of whooping 550 million $ in last five years more than what Liverpool spended and just 44 Million less than Manchester City. So Arteta has failed to bring even a single premiership to the Gunners despite such big bills.

This season, they have broken the shackles and defeated Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea etc but just to lose to lowly sides like West Ham and Aston Villa to hand over most probably the title again to City.

So was it the brilliance of a mediocre City that cost Arsenal another title or the master class of Unai Emery?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Poll added Guys!

 

[KingKhanWC]

There are many reasons .

The key imo is failure to buy a goalscorer, poor team selections at times but the biggest factor is no winning mentality. Going to City , being delighted with defending & 1 point isn’t champion mentality

 

[The Bald Eagle]

There are many reasons .

The key imo is failure to buy a goalscorer, poor team selections at times but the biggest factor is no winning mentality. Going to City , being delighted with defending & 1 point isn’t champion mentality

To be fair, City were no formidable this season but it was poor show from AFC and LFC that probably handed them the title.

The lost against Unai Emery at home was the last nail in the coffins, the ex gunner manager lol

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@Amjid Javed, @aboveandbeyond @Kroll in just a matter of week he blew two titles last month but he is blaming the players. Your thoughts?
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Players’ Inexperience Responsible For Arsenal’s Champions League Exit – Arteta

Mikel Arteta has revealed that inexperience was the major reason Arsenal failed to advance in the Champions League.

Mikel Arteta’s men were aiming for their first semifinal appearance in the competition since 2009 but they fell to the superiority of the Bavarians

The Spanish manager rued his side’s inexperience for the defeat, and he has promised to show love and support for the players.

Arteta said: “We haven’t played this competition for seven years and we haven’t been in this stage for 14 years.There’s a reason for it.

“We want to do everything fast-forward, super-quick, in one season. I think we have the capacity and the quality to be in the semi-final because the margins are very small.

“Those margins are coming from something else that maybe we don’t have yet. We have to learn it.

“When you look historically, it took other clubs seven, eight or 10 years to do it. Today, that’s not going to make us feel better that’s for sure.

“What I need to do is stand right next to them and give them support and our love and we have to pick it up because on Saturday we have a big, big game.

“We are still playing for the Premier League. The Premier League is there and we really want it. We have to show now that we are capable of turning this around.”

It has been a disappointing week for Arsenal, they suffered a 2-0 loss to Aston Villa in the Premier League on Sunday, which dented their Premier League title hopes.

 

[MenInG]

There are many reasons .

The key imo is failure to buy a goalscorer, poor team selections at times but the biggest factor is no winning mentality. Going to City , being delighted with defending & 1 point isn’t champion mentality

That is not the reason.

We lost one key game to Aston Villa.

This team has done wonders and this is not a heartbreaking season but one of the finest for this club for a long while.

 

[IMMY69]

Firstly, the season isn't over yet and you never know what can happen on the final day...

That being said, if we come second I won't be too disappointed... if anything I haven't felt so optimistic about our future in a very very long time.

COYG

 

[KingKhanWC]

That is not the reason.

We lost one key game to Aston Villa.

This team has done wonders and this is not a heartbreaking season but one of the finest for this club for a long while.

Finishing 2nd with an empty cabinet is not success, Arsenal have finished 2nd numerous times under Wenger, almost all fans could not point out the year/season now .

To win the premier league you have to be aggressive , aim to win every game . The truth is the manager employed safe tactics in games knowing up against a team which achieves 90+ points or near almost every season .

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed, @aboveandbeyond @Kroll in just a matter of week he blew two titles last month but he is blaming the players. Your thoughts?
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Players’ Inexperience Responsible For Arsenal’s Champions League Exit – Arteta

Mikel Arteta has revealed that inexperience was the major reason Arsenal failed to advance in the Champions League.

Mikel Arteta’s men were aiming for their first semifinal appearance in the competition since 2009 but they fell to the superiority of the Bavarians

The Spanish manager rued his side’s inexperience for the defeat, and he has promised to show love and support for the players.

Arteta said: “We haven’t played this competition for seven years and we haven’t been in this stage for 14 years.There’s a reason for it.

“We want to do everything fast-forward, super-quick, in one season. I think we have the capacity and the quality to be in the semi-final because the margins are very small.

“Those margins are coming from something else that maybe we don’t have yet. We have to learn it.

“When you look historically, it took other clubs seven, eight or 10 years to do it. Today, that’s not going to make us feel better that’s for sure.

“What I need to do is stand right next to them and give them support and our love and we have to pick it up because on Saturday we have a big, big game.

“We are still playing for the Premier League. The Premier League is there and we really want it. We have to show now that we are capable of turning this around.”

It has been a disappointing week for Arsenal, they suffered a 2-0 loss to Aston Villa in the Premier League on Sunday, which dented their Premier League title hopes.

The lack of experience in Europe excuses doesn't wash at all.

Havertz, Zinchenko, Jesus and Jorginho all in squad have played in CL, a large number of squad had played europa league. End of day European football whether it be europa or CL, you have to navigate 2 legged ties in knockouts, something under Arteta has been abysmal. It's an easy go to excuse to say it took team x,y,z to win it.

Arsenal's record in domestic competition is utter abysmal as in the last 4 seasons as well.

When uve had 4 full seasons as a manager you should be able to compete on 3 or 4 fronts. Because their is no accountability for failure, nothing will change.

 

[Amjid Javed]

That is not the reason.

We lost one key game to Aston Villa.

This team has done wonders and this is not a heartbreaking season but one of the finest for this club for a long while.

One of finest for a while?

2 early exits in domestic cups

Knocked out of CL by 1st decent side we played.

4 trophyless seasons in a row is on the cards.

Most of fans base are acting like the club's been languishing in league 2 a few seasons ago and now this seasons is success.

The last 4 seasons is actually Arsenal's worst in last 20 when it comes to zero trophies and zero finals in that time.

 

[MenInG]

One of finest for a while?

2 early exits in domestic cups

Knocked out of CL by 1st decent side we played.

4 trophyless seasons in a row is on the cards.

Most of fans base are acting like the club's been languishing in league 2 a few seasons ago and now this seasons is success.

The last 4 seasons is actually Arsenal's worst in last 20 when it comes to zero trophies and zero finals in that time.

One of the finest seasons for a while.

You need to think back when was the last time Arsenal were a force to be reckoned with.

 

[Amjid Javed]

One of the finest seasons for a while.

You need to think back when was the last time Arsenal were a force to be reckoned with.

Arsenal are a force to be reckoned with?

Domestic cup performances abysmal in last 4 seasons

European performances abysmal in last 4 seaaons

Liverpool and Man united have both finished 2nd twice in the time that Pep has been here, so Arsenal are just going to go onto that list as well.

What's actually different from united or Liverpool finishing 2nd to City, compared to Arsenal. 2nd place isn't a trophy.

Harsh reality big teams are judge on trophies they win.

Let's not act like in last 20 years we have challenged for PL, we have certainly won more trophies then we have in last 4 years.

has the team improved yes it has, but that's not what big teams are judged on.

Has this season had moments to enjoy - yes but ultimately when it can to crunch cup games and league games we fell short

Same last season, season before that and one before that.

As of right now Arsenal are a talented team with nothing to show for it, if that continues for another few seasons its no different to what it was like under wenger after 05, we've seen talented Arsenal teams compete ahd then end season empty handed.

Even under wenger between 97 and 05 when we finished 2nd place on 5 occasions I didn't look at any of those seasons as decent unless we had a trophy of some sort.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Most heart breaking season as Arsenal fan is 1989/99

Arsenal were double winners the season before. The following season we battered united at home 3-0 and were a better side then them.

To lose an FA Cup semi final to 10 man united after Bergkamp missed a penalty in last min of normal time.

Then lose league when we had 2 point lead with 2 games left.

For United to win a treble when it should have been back to back doubles.

Similarly 02/03 - threw a 8 point lead away in March. Should have won double that season, instead just the FA Cup. Also should have been looking at 3 PL in a row at that time.

Current team hasn't even reached a cup final in 4 years, reality of this season was they needed a huge lead going into last 9 games of season if they wanted to win title.

This season was a competitive league season and poor one in the cups

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Arsenal are a force to be reckoned with?

Domestic cup performances abysmal in last 4 seasons

European performances abysmal in last 4 seaaons

Liverpool and Man united have both finished 2nd twice in the time that Pep has been here, so Arsenal are just going to go onto that list as well.

What's actually different from united or Liverpool finishing 2nd to City, compared to Arsenal. 2nd place isn't a trophy.

Harsh reality big teams are judge on trophies they win.

Let's not act like in last 20 years we have challenged for PL, we have certainly won more trophies then we have in last 4 years.

has the team improved yes it has, but that's not what big teams are judged on.

Has this season had moments to enjoy - yes but ultimately when it can to crunch cup games and league games we fell short

Same last season, season before that and one before that.

As of right now Arsenal are a talented team with nothing to show for it, if that continues for another few seasons its no different to what it was like under wenger after 05, we've seen talented Arsenal teams compete ahd then end season empty handed.

Even under wenger between 97 and 05 when we finished 2nd place on 5 occasions I didn't look at any of those seasons as decent unless we had a trophy of some sort.

But still better than last year's bottling slowly but steadily Gunners are improving but true nobody recalls trophy less seasons.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arsenal are a force to be reckoned with?

Domestic cup performances abysmal in last 4 seasons

European performances abysmal in last 4 seaaons

Liverpool and Man united have both finished 2nd twice in the time that Pep has been here, so Arsenal are just going to go onto that list as well.

What's actually different from united or Liverpool finishing 2nd to City, compared to Arsenal. 2nd place isn't a trophy.

Harsh reality big teams are judge on trophies they win.

Let's not act like in last 20 years we have challenged for PL, we have certainly won more trophies then we have in last 4 years.

has the team improved yes it has, but that's not what big teams are judged on.

Has this season had moments to enjoy - yes but ultimately when it can to crunch cup games and league games we fell short

Same last season, season before that and one before that.

As of right now Arsenal are a talented team with nothing to show for it, if that continues for another few seasons its no different to what it was like under wenger after 05, we've seen talented Arsenal teams compete ahd then end season empty handed.

Even under wenger between 97 and 05 when we finished 2nd place on 5 occasions I didn't look at any of those seasons as decent unless we had a trophy of some sort.

Interesting under wenger finishing 2nd was never celebrated but criticised & he won numerous silverware .

Why are so many Arsenal fans content with competing even if winning nothing ? Has the competition become tougher or have expectations of winning trophies diminished?

 

[KingKhanWC]

But still better than last year's bottling slowly but steadily Gunners are improving but true nobody recalls trophy less seasons.

The problem is coming 2nd twice & getting closer doesn’t mean next season it will then lead to champions. When you have a chance with less than 10 games to go , you have to take it . Or 1/4 final in CL , go hard to win 3 more fixtures for huge glory . You may not get this opportunities for years .

 

[Amjid Javed]

But still better than last year's bottling slowly but steadily Gunners are improving but true nobody recalls trophy less seasons.

Last season Arsenal 100% bottled it

This season they have have taken it to the last day of the season.

Season on season improvement. But every season has ultimately end in failure.

Europa semi, top 4, 2nd place etc..

Right now people will look at it and give their opinion right now. In 10 years no one will bat an eyelid if there is nothing to show for it.

No one looks back at the "nearly men" or "nearly teams"

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The problem is coming 2nd twice & getting closer doesn’t mean next season it will then lead to champions. When you have a chance with less than 10 games to go , you have to take it . Or 1/4 final in CL , go hard to win 3 more fixtures for huge glory . You may not get this opportunities for years .

True bro you don't get such great chances so often but may be Arteta is waiting for Pep and Emery's transfer too soon after Klopp's exit.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not an Arsenal fan.

But I wouldn't be heartbroken

Disappointed yes.

But heartbroken? Nah.

They've had a heck of a season. Technically the dream is still alive.

I think Liverpool fans should feel more heartbroken...and Utd fans too.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not an Arsenal fan.

But I wouldn't be heartbroken

Disappointed yes.

But heartbroken? Nah.

They've had a heck of a season. Technically the dream is still alive.

I think Liverpool fans should feel more heartbroken...and Utd fans too.

Liverpool won a trophy . And came from 5th to a champions league spot . I’d say it’s a better season unless some miracle happens on Sunday

 

[Amjid Javed]

Interesting under wenger finishing 2nd was never celebrated but criticised & he won numerous silverware .

Why are so many Arsenal fans content with competing even if winning nothing ? Has the competition become tougher or have expectations of winning trophies diminished?

Difference is the mentality, when Arsenal finished 2nd - 3 years running, between 99-01 all the players said they hated seeing united celebrate and it spurred them on. None of this

"oh we competed"

"United have most money"

"We can't compete vs fergie"

To many teams now just come up with excuses for failure. All of a sudden 2nd place now is better than 2nd place in 1963 or 1947. Its a load of nonsense.

Every era of football is usually dominated by 1 or 2 sides, as good as them sides are other teams get chances, just depends whether Teams take their chances when they get it.

Liverpool dominated the 80s in Old 1st division yet Everton and Arsenal managed to take two titles each in that period.

Fergie dominated the PL yet Blackburn took a title off them, Arsenal won 3, Chelsea 2 etc.. between 98 and 06

A lot od the times their are fine margins, but you have to take those chances.

Those teams happy just to compete are the ones who essentially are ones who fall short more often then not

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Liverpool won a trophy . And came from 5th to a champions league spot . I’d say it’s a better season unless some miracle happens on Sunday

I'd take challenging for the league and finishing second over the league cup and the wheels falling off.

There is a bit of an unknown around next season too whereas Arsenal fans can be relatively optimistic.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

One of the finest seasons for a while.

You need to think back when was the last time Arsenal were a force to be reckoned with.

Could have been. But the facts is Arsenal blew it again. And in a season where bar City and to a lesser extent Liverpool, there was no real challenges. Arsenal have actually finished where most would have predicted them to finish. I'd call it a par finish which could have been better in the league

As for the cup competitions, a complete abject failure to be honest.

 

[Amjid Javed]

True bro you don't get such great chances so often but may be Arteta is waiting for Pep and Emery's transfer too soon after Klopp's exit.

In any sport or any walk of life you have to strike while iron is hot.

We've seen plenty talented young sides before compete and fall short.

the team needs silverware to give then that winning feeling as a team, then usually that leads to bigger things. Sadly this team always just dismisses cup failure or European failure.

Because of that, essentially their is no accountability. The fear of failure in sport can be the thing that pushes a individual or team to success.

You look at Man city and why they are so battled hardened, it's because they know losing has consequences

 

[KingKhanWC]

I'd take challenging for the league and finishing second over the league cup and the wheels falling off.

There is a bit of an unknown around next season too whereas Arsenal fans can be relatively optimistic.

4th and any trophy is better than 2nd with nil but we all are different.

I’m sure Arsenal will be up there again but not sure a better chance next to time compared to last two seasons

 

[aboveandbeyond]

@Amjid Javed, @aboveandbeyond @Kroll in just a matter of week he blew two titles last month but he is blaming the players. Your thoughts?
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Players’ Inexperience Responsible For Arsenal’s Champions League Exit – Arteta

Mikel Arteta has revealed that inexperience was the major reason Arsenal failed to advance in the Champions League.

Mikel Arteta’s men were aiming for their first semifinal appearance in the competition since 2009 but they fell to the superiority of the Bavarians

The Spanish manager rued his side’s inexperience for the defeat, and he has promised to show love and support for the players.

Arteta said: “We haven’t played this competition for seven years and we haven’t been in this stage for 14 years.There’s a reason for it.

“We want to do everything fast-forward, super-quick, in one season. I think we have the capacity and the quality to be in the semi-final because the margins are very small.

“Those margins are coming from something else that maybe we don’t have yet. We have to learn it.

“When you look historically, it took other clubs seven, eight or 10 years to do it. Today, that’s not going to make us feel better that’s for sure.

“What I need to do is stand right next to them and give them support and our love and we have to pick it up because on Saturday we have a big, big game.

“We are still playing for the Premier League. The Premier League is there and we really want it. We have to show now that we are capable of turning this around.”

It has been a disappointing week for Arsenal, they suffered a 2-0 loss to Aston Villa in the Premier League on Sunday, which dented their Premier League title hopes.

Fine details in them big games cost Arsenal. Tuchel and Emry are tactically very astute managers. This is where Arteta lacks, which was clearly evident in the no show at home to both Bayern and Villa.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I'd take challenging for the league and finishing second over the league cup and the wheels falling off.

There is a bit of an unknown around next season too whereas Arsenal fans can be relatively optimistic.

People can view things in different ways at start of a season teams will have targets and mid way through a season their are targets.

Example - at start of season Liverpool fans may have thought they wudnt challenge for title but a cup would be good.

Midway through they would have been thinking atleast 2 trophies and title challenge.

In end I think its a average season foe Liverpool

Arsenal at start should have been title challenge and do well in cups.

Mid-season it should have been same.

In the end its been an average season, competing in league and abysmal in cups

Villa - start of season, get European places and try n win conference league

Mid-season - same European place and win conference league

In the end villa have over-achieved as they did better than their objectives.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Fine details in them big games cost Arsenal. Tuchel and Emry are tactically very astute managers. This is where Arteta lacks, which was clearly evident in the no show at home to both Bayern and Villa.

True in those games they looked clueless especially in the 2nd leg against Bayern they started off well but then become shell locked. Also against Villa after that first goal they looked completely baffled. There is a lack of belief too in this Arsenal side or may be its the Arteta factor that is seeping down into players' mentality.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Fine details in them big games cost Arsenal. Tuchel and Emry are tactically very astute managers. This is where Arteta lacks, which was clearly evident in the no show at home to both Bayern and Villa.

100% spot on, this is where a plan B is needed. Arteta tends to over think, or I'm sum cases thinks of weird ways in which he things he's going to tactically out do someone. Which essentially backfires

 

[Bewal Express]

I think Arsenal are very unlucky this year. Unfortunately for them Man City although, not as good as previous years have capital of winning pretty much every year and this reduces the pressure at crucial times. Arsenal will be confident next year unless City spend big again

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I think Arsenal are very unlucky this year. Unfortunately for them Man City although, not as good as previous years have capital of winning pretty much every year and this reduces the pressure at crucial times. Arsenal will be confident next year unless City spend big again

Bro i guess you didn't read the OP there is not much spending difference between the two of late.

 

[Bewal Express]

Bro i guess you didn't read the OP there is not much spending difference between the two of late.

But City have the capital of winning titles and players like De Bruyn have been there for a while. When you win a title or 2 players aren't as panicky. Think back to City and that QPR game in 2012 and how much City struggled to beat a 10 man QPR when Barton deliberately got sent off to help them.

 

[Amjid Javed]

But City have the capital of winning titles and players like De Bruyn have been there for a while. When you win a title or 2 players aren't as panicky. Think back to City and that QPR game in 2012 and how much City struggled to beat a 10 man QPR when Barton deliberately got sent off to help them.

I dont think City / Pep were to happy with how most of his signings have faired and usually if City make a mistake in transfer market its fixed quickly.

Nunes as been awful. Kovacic has been alright at back end of season.

Doku was decent at start. Only sucess has been gvaridol who got better as season went on.

City will probably sign Paqueta. Kimmich or guiameres as well. Savio will come back to. So City will only get stronger.

If you look at last two season, last season City away form vs top 9 sides was poor. This season their performances in big 6 games not great. However when it gets to January onwards they just get the job done, indifferent form is forgotten.

City when aren't playing well in 2nd half of season still get results and dont lose games. Others contenders don't and that's usual one reason others fall short.

 

[Bewal Express]

I dont think City / Pep were to happy with how most of his signings have faired and usually if City make a mistake in transfer market its fixed quickly.

Nunes as been awful. Kovacic has been alright at back end of season.

Doku was decent at start. Only sucess has been gvaridol who got better as season went on.

City will probably sign Paqueta. Kimmich or guiameres as well. Savio will come back to. So City will only get stronger.

If you look at last two season, last season City away form vs top 9 sides was poor. This season their performances in big 6 games not great. However when it gets to January onwards they just get the job done, indifferent form is forgotten.

City when aren't playing well in 2nd half of season still get results and dont lose games. Others contenders don't and that's usual one reason others fall short.

They do get the job done and that was my point about having capital behind you. We saw poor United teams win titles, none worse than Fergusons last team, which must rank as amongst the worst teams ever to win the title. Arsenal came within a deliberate miss by Son from winning the title and they have a young team. They have shown lots of heart and resilience but patience is the need of the hour

 

[Amjid Javed]

They do get the job done and that was my point about having capital behind you. We saw poor United teams win titles, none worse than Fergusons last team, which must rank as amongst the worst teams ever to win the title. Arsenal came within a deliberate miss by Son from winning the title and they have a young team. They have shown lots of heart and resilience but patience is the need of the hour

Yeah the last fergie title team was awful, but that was how good fergie was. The 02/03 united team was pretty average as well. Yeah having winners or know how always helps you win titles, that's why winning other trophies to give a team a winning mentality helps.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yeah the last fergie title team was awful, but that was how good fergie was. The 02/03 united team was pretty average as well. Yeah having winners or know how always helps you win titles, that's why winning other trophies to give a team a winning mentality helps.

I think to get to the institutional memory bit, you need to win at least 3 or 4 within a 6 or 7 season period. I have been surprised at how solid Arsenal have looked and with the signing of a good striker next year, they may get the extra 3 points.

 

[JaDed]

Most heart breaking season as Arsenal fan is 1989/99

Arsenal were double winners the season before. The following season we battered united at home 3-0 and were a better side then them.

To lose an FA Cup semi final to 10 man united after Bergkamp missed a penalty in last min of normal time.

Then lose league when we had 2 point lead with 2 games left.

For United to win a treble when it should have been back to back doubles.

Similarly 02/03 - threw a 8 point lead away in March. Should have won double that season, instead just the FA Cup. Also should have been looking at 3 PL in a row at that time.

Current team hasn't even reached a cup final in 4 years, reality of this season was they needed a huge lead going into last 9 games of season if they wanted to win title.

This season was a competitive league season and poor one in the cups

Greatest Season for Manu was the worst for Arsenal.

 

[JaDed]

I followed EPL after a long time probably due to Gunners and have to say loved some of their games.
Get Sesko next season and they will actually be able to score more.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I just had a wild thought what if Gunners still win the title with City bottling it and Arsenal having their Augeroooo moment. Certainly the likes of Mr Mamoon will put the arsenal critics through the wringer then.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think to get to the institutional memory bit, you need to win at least 3 or 4 within a 6 or 7 season period. I have been surprised at how solid Arsenal have looked and with the signing of a good striker next year, they may get the extra 3 points.

Yeah of course you have to sustained success over atleast more than 3 seasons to really get the most out if a talented pool of players.

A top quality strikers always makes a difference

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Could have been. But the facts is Arsenal blew it again. And in a season where bar City and to a lesser extent Liverpool, there was no real challenges. Arsenal have actually finished where most would have predicted them to finish. I'd call it a par finish which could have been better in the league

As for the cup competitions, a complete abject failure to be honest.

I think Arteta the culprit here not players. He sold a gem like Aubameyang

 

[Mamoon]

Since the start of 2010s, Arsenal had been in doldrum. Fast forward to the appointment of Michael Arteta, his first season was shambolic but he improved significantly afterwards.

But his improvements and clubs big spending of whooping 550 million $ in last five years more than what Liverpool spended and just 44 Million less than Manchester City. So Arteta has failed to bring even a single premiership to the Gunners despite such big bills.

This season, they have broken the shackles and defeated Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea etc but just to lose to lowly sides like West Ham and Aston Villa to hand over most probably the title again to City.

So was it the brilliance of a mediocre City that cost Arsenal another title or the master class of Unai Emery?

We need to put the spending in context.

When Arteta took over Arsenal in 2019, the club was in shambles while City already had a champion team with pretty much the same core that they have today.

In spite of this, Arteta has spend less money than City in this period and has managed to bring the gap with City to almost zero. This shows his brilliance.

Not only did he spend less than City, he also spent less than Chelsea & United and look at them now and look at Arsenal now.

Arteta is a phenomenal manager who has done an incredible job at Arsenal and has revived the club. He has transformed Arsenal from a team that was struggling to make top 4 to a team that is now aiming to win the league. He has made Arsenal fans dream again.

Yes Arsenal has not crossed the line yet, but there is no doubt that Arsenal will win multiple titles with Arsenal. If he has taken Arsenal from where they were to where they are now, he will take them from this position to eventual champions as well.

 

[Mamoon]

4th and any trophy is better than 2nd with nil but we all are different.

I’m sure Arsenal will be up there again but not sure a better chance next to time compared to last two seasons

For a top club, fighting for the title shows progression, it shows direction, and it shows that the club is in a good health.

When you stumble to 3rd and 4th, not challenge for the title and win a cup, that cup means nothing in isolation. It doesn't change the fact that you need a shift in mindset and have to spend big money to challenge for the league.

The new Liverpool manager will get sacked or at least the fans will not be happy at all if he wins 3 FA Cups in the next 3 years but Liverpool don't fight for the title.

Arsene Wenger was driven out of Arsenal in spite of winning 3 Cups in 4 years, simply because Arsenal was not fighting to win the league. Arsenal fans wouldn't have wanted Wenger to leave if Arsenal were fighting for the PL and finishing second, just 2-3 points off the title.

Ten Hag won a cup last year and is in the final again this season, but United fans are unhappy because they are not fighting for the title. Even if they win the FA Cup, United fans would happily trade places with Arsenal.

As far as Arsenal not having a better chance compared to this and and last season, you are wrong. Arsenal have a very young squad and the core of the squad is yet to hit its peak and in spite of not even reaching their peak yet, they are already better than everyone except City and they also have the financial muscle to buy expensive players like Rice etc.

Saliba, Gabriel, White, Timber, Rice, Odegaard, Havertz, Saka. This is Arsenal's core and all of them have at least 5 more years at the top level. Then you have guys like Trossard and Partey etc. who are 29/30.

Arsenal is in a terrific position and Arsenal fans should be very excited. This is by far the best period for the club in the last 20 years because this is the first time Arsenal have fought for the title properly in back to back seasons.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

We need to put the spending in context.

When Arteta took over Arsenal in 2019, the club was in shambles while City already had a champion team with pretty much the same core that they have today.

In spite of this, Arteta has spend less money than City in this period and has managed to bring the gap with City to almost zero. This shows his brilliance.

Not only did he spend less than City, he also spent less than Chelsea & United and look at them now and look at Arsenal now.

Arteta is a phenomenal manager who has done an incredible job at Arsenal and has revived the club. He has transformed Arsenal from a team that was struggling to make top 4 to a team that is now aiming to win the league. He has made Arsenal fans dream again.

Yes Arsenal has not crossed the line yet, but there is no doubt that Arsenal will win multiple titles with Arsenal. If he has taken Arsenal from where they were to where they are now, he will take them from this position to eventual champions as well.

I wish good luck to Arsenal but not Arteta as he is a disgusting guy in my opinion.

And on spendings question while City has expended marginally more than them in last 5 years but still their performance this season was so mediocre but still looking favorites for title.

Whether it be flop Klopp as many may say, Thucel or Emery every body has won something big in last 5 years but what has he done except riding on brilliance of former player Aubameyang. Arteta is not an exceptional coach and may be with time people will come to know about it.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I followed EPL after a long time probably due to Gunners and have to say loved some of their games.
Get Sesko next season and they will actually be able to score more.

Also next season must be Arteta's last if he can't deliver.

Just look how Aston Villa got spanked today by 5 goals by crystal palace and then Arteta bottled the title against the same side at home.

 

[FearlessRoar]

He basically said what every citizen said after that game

https://twitter.com/x/status/1792314538693439680

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Well Guys @aboveandbeyond, @Amjid Javed @MK7Z how do you rate Gunners season 2023-24? And what do you expect next season?

 

[PakLFC]

Sure it is very heart breaking. Arsenal will be kicking themselves over the loss to Villa at home and even Son missing versus City. Liverpool twice finished one point behind City then gradually started to fizz away. Perhaps the blow would be less had Arteta won something this season. Now there is never any guarantee that getting so close one season means they would do the same or even better the following season. I think Arsenal need a killer forward with Ivan Toney being a possible signing in the summer.