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Is the ICC Ranking System broken? Did West Indies deserve to miss 2017 Champions Trophy?

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I am not fan of flawed ICC ODI ranking system, I do not believe it does reflects the actual / fair ranking, any team with series of home series wins can again points to break into top 8. I think a true Champions Trophy should be when it is represented from all Champions and top ranked teams. It is sad to see that two times world cup winner and one time CT winner West Indies is opted out in the tournament.

I would believe with the players West Indies have, they could do a much better competitive show than what Bangladesh did in this tournament, Group A in this tournament is severely impacted by weather and then one sided boring matches..

My suggestion is to either include TOP 10 teams in CT or find a way to keep West Indies in for future tournaments.

One thing is if we consider the top 9 teams and 1 ICC continental winner team then it would fit better, where all champions teams will get a fair chance to compete in a major ICC tournament, so for in regular Word Cup teams should be increased to 12 from 10.

Agree ?
 
cricguru said:
I would believe with the players West Indies have, they could do a much better competitive show than what Bangladesh did in this tournament..

Agree ?
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I don't agree what you believe. Bangladesh fought well with England (in red hot form) and still in the game with NZ. They only messed up with Aus: same happened with India with SL and SA with Pak.

So, not sure what the fuss is about!
 
It's the fault of WICB they should resolve issue with players and pay them enough to care for West Indies cricket so that they can be in top 8 rankings.. half the time there seems to be some sort of fight between WICB and some player or coach or manager or what not..
 
No,BAng defeated Pak,India,South Africa all of them at home,did Windies do that?Nope. This is not T20 we are talking about,Windies are a pretty mediocre ODI side.
 
Do you know when West Indies last won an ODI series ?
 
big_gamer007 said:
It's the fault of WICB they should resolve issue with players and pay them enough to care for West Indies cricket so that they can be in top 8 rankings.. half the time there seems to be some sort of fight between WICB and some player or coach or manager or what not..
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they are doing great job with youngster building very nicely

They will rise again unless their player after getting famous choose leagues over WI
 
BD haters need to stop being ignorant. WI lost series after series at home, didn't win the tri series with Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe of all people. They deserve to be out of the tournament. Bangladesh deserve to be in.
 
Bangladesh deserved to play in the Champions Trophy. More than the rankings I will blame West Indies Cricket Board for the situation they are in currently.
 
Our win loss ratio has been 1.6 or so since the world cup. West Indies ratio is something around 0.3?
 
What exactly WI has done in ODI in recent years? If you compare with BD, then BD has won few series at home against top sides. It hardly matters what happens in CT, but BD deserved it to be CT.

Also, talk about 2 times WC etc is meaningless. People should refer current situation and WI is a poor ODI team. It's like once upon a time SA was minnow or Pakistan had XYZ players. Hardly matters what happened decades back. In current situation, BD surely deserved to be in CT ahead of WI. I don't see any logic to say otherwise.
 
saeed5646 said:
they are doing great job with youngster building very nicely

They will rise again unless their player after getting famous choose leagues over WI
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If you don't pay your players on time or play them peanuts then they will go to other leagues to get financial security.. So one can only hope they keep take care of the youngsters and don't let the go the bravo, Gayle, pollard etc way
 
I am sure many pak fans wouldn't have liked it if the same kind of thread was created had they lost to SA. Why to diss any side when they have earned their place on the basis of merit?
 
big_gamer007 said:
If you don't pay your players on time or play them peanuts then they will go to other leagues to get financial security.. So one can only hope they keep take care of the youngsters and don't let the go the bravo, Gayle, pollard etc way
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yeah this is major problem .WICB is corrupt
 
Bangladesh looking favourites to beat NZ at this stage. If that happens and England beat Australia, then Australia will be knocked out and Bangladesh go through to the semis. In fact, if Bangladesh can beat NZ sufficiently to get their net run rate above 0 (zero), then an Eng/Aus washout will also take Bangladesh through.

Bangladesh deserve to be in the tournament on merit.
 
Even if Bangladesh beat New Zealand today, before today they deserved it far more than West Indies who are only proving to be a decent T20 side. West Indies would receive a bigger smashing than Bangladesh if they were in ICT.
 
Lol @ this thread

We have a few world class batsman. A few quality bowlers
 
Windies are horrible in 50 overs cricket and we wouldn't have witnessed 3 upsets (if you include Ban beating NZ) that we have over the last three days if they were in the tournament ahead of either of these sides. So yeah, their ranking of 9 is fully justified. All of Pak, SL and Ban are much better than them.
 
Yossarian said:
Bangladesh looking favourites to beat NZ at this stage. If that happens and England beat Australia, then Australia will be knocked out and Bangladesh go through to the semis. In fact, if Bangladesh can beat NZ sufficiently to get their net run rate above 0 (zero), then an Eng/Aus washout will also take Bangladesh through.

Bangladesh deserve to be in the tournament on merit.
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Not needed - it's count of win first. A wash out keeps AUS at 0 win
 
Congrats to Bangla win, however t is Newzand middle and low end batting that let them down.

For Bangladesh it is only a lucky win, because their good 200 runs stand in middle order, bailed them out in a low chase total, this doesn't happen quite often so don't be over confident with this average victory. If Bangladesh goes through, who ever will face BD in semis if any will get a cake walk, which is so sad and makes CT non competitive at knockout stage :(

:)
 
Lucky win

Bangladesh won their last two matches against NZ.
Won their last series against Pak India Zim Afghanistan South Africa qualified for quarter final drew a series against Lanka.

Shakib and Tamim combined has centuries than all current West Indies team combined.
 
cricguru said:
Congrats to Bangla win, however t is Newzand middle and low end batting that let them down.

For Bangladesh it is only a lucky win, because their good 200 runs stand in middle order, bailed them out in a low chase total, this doesn't happen quite often so don't be over confident with this average victory. If Bangladesh goes through, who ever will face BD in semis if any will get a cake walk, which is so sad and makes CT non competitive at knockout stage :(

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This logic should be applied for every win and loss then. It doesn't take much to give credit where its due. From 33/4 to 267 shows a lot of character in this Bangladesh team.
 
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Surely the problem is having a World Cup with 10 teams?

Forget the rankings, forget WI & Paks records in recent years, forget Bangladeshs record away from home - none of these teams should be missing out on the World Cup.

We should be having a 12 if not 14 team World Cup and the ICC are shooting them selves in the foot by limiting the growth of the game & not allowing more teams to play in the global event.

Every sporting board is doing everything they can to help their sport grow and then we have the ICC....
 
Any global event should have all the major cricketing nations playing. Only minnows should have to qualify. The global stage is such that any team can outperform itself and betray their rankings
 
Tell me 1 West indies Odi batsman in the current team, who will able to get in Bangladesh team.

Answer is None, hence they don't deserve to play Champions trophy.
 
Bangladesh is definitely better than WI though WI brand of cricket would have added more flair to the tournament.
 
Executioner said:
Lol @ this thread

We have a few world class batsman. A few quality bowlers
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I downplay Bangladesh in most occasions which I will admit but I will also say this, you guys have improved a lot.

And WI no way deserves more than Bangladesh.

You guys are rising. And I want the Asian tier to have strong teams.

Cheers for winning the match. And good luck for the future matches.
 
Bangladesh second string XI can whitewash WI home and away. WI is getting destroyed by associate Afghanistan. OP is being salty.

Current WI doesn't deserve to be a full member
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Bangladesh second string XI can whitewash WI home and away. WI is getting destroyed by associate Afghanistan. OP is being salty.

Current WI doesn't deserve to be a full member
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Afghanistan also won in Bangladesh. In fact they could have won easily won the series if not for the choke in the 1st ODI. There isn't much to separate these teams in ODIs though BD are having better results of late.
 
King Kong said:
Afghanistan also won in Bangladesh. In fact they could have won easily won the series if not for the choke in the 1st ODI. There isn't much to separate these teams in ODIs though BD are having better results of late.
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Afghanistan should become a full member, so their win over Bangla is not surprising. Afghanistan might be associates but they're not a minnow like WI
 
Why ar people bringing BD into discussion. If anything, the debate should be between no. 8 and 9 team
 
I think its a good wake up call to the West Indies, you must play good quality cricket if you want to qualify for the CT. By restricting the CT to 8 teams makes the outcome of every series played worth something.

If a team wants to be a part of the WC/CT they should have to earn that privilege and played enough good quality cricket, just expanding the numbers to allow teams that are just not good enough to provide top quality cricket is not going to help cricket expand. If Ireland (just an example) want to play CT then it will take 8 years of hard work, meticulous planning and unbelievable commitment. Its not going to be handed to them because its to hard for them to do the hard yards.

West Indies should learn a valuable lesson here and never take a ODI series for granted and that is benificial to cricket.
 
After OP posted the thread Bangladesh won against NZ in CT while west indies lost to Afghanistan

It's a bit of a shame west indies have regressed like this
 
Absolutely. Yesterday we got the answer after 2 matches. A 'perceived' minnow has shocked one of the favorites in their home-like conditions and a 'deserving' team lost to a true minnow in home conditions.

OP, here's your answer. West Indies deserve the expel from CT, rightly so.
 
OP is using the wrong two team for comparison. The question should be basis last 12 months which team (pakistan or West Indies) deserved to play here.
 
Todayd headline. Afghanistan beat WI in one of the CT 2017 match. Guess what! None are playing and CT and WI lost in hime against Afghanistan. Thus guru proved that despite no.9 team losint to no.10 team would have been better than no.6 who beat no.5 in CT.

= brain furt
 
"West Indies" concept started under British colonial days. After independence of several states from that WI union in 50s & 60s, for 3 decades it continued because of the legacy. Also, people managing cricket carried the ideology of united West Indies cricket teams. People like Worrell, Weekes, Connard Haunte, Sobers, Kanhai, Walcott, Wes Hall, Stollmayer, Camacho, Cozier, Lloyd, Viv, Roberts ... were proud to be identified as West Indian, rather than Jamaican, Barbadian, Guyanese, Antiguan or Trinidadian. That generation has either passed away or too old now.

Only way to survive cricket in West Indies is to make 4 independent teams & give them Test status - Jamaica, Barbados, T&T & Guyana. Players from other smaller islands can represent any of these teams. There is enough, enough talent still in those isles to form a cricket team that can compete at highest level.
 
Pete Rose said:
OP is using the wrong two team for comparison. The question should be basis last 12 months which team (pakistan or West Indies) deserved to play here.
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Pakistan, obviously. We have beaten them in all formats home and away literally in a period of last few months.
 
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