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Is the Muslim community in America a "persecuted minority"?

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I was recently watching the film "My name is Khan" starring ShahRukh khan and found it depressing. I am not into watching bollywood films but found the muslim-theme of this one interesting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Name_Is_Khan

There was obviously a backlash against american muslims and rising Islamophobia after 9/11/2001. My question for pakistani and other muslim forum members residing in USA is that have they themselves ever experienced this kind of overt racism/islamophobia/bigotry post 9/11?
Do you see the muslim community of USA as a "persecuted minority"?

My own experience is that in Canada, once in a while i faced verbal racial slurs like "p@ki boy" from white kids at school when i was around 15 or 16 years of age but never any violence. But as an adult no one ever said anything blatantly racist infront of me. Also while travelling to America, i rarely faced any racial profiling at airports or border crossing, even though i have a muslim-sounding name.

From what i have seen i think the film "My name is Khan" exaggerates the plight of muslims in america. Pakistanis and other muslims still want to migrate to US cause they are excited about the opportunities and first world amenities that USA has to offer. If american muslims were a persecuted minority then they would be moving out of USA
 
I had to read multiple times to confirm that you’re basing an opinion off a cheap Bollywood film
 
I had to read multiple times to confirm that you’re basing an opinion off a cheap Bollywood film

Agreed that most of what comes out of bollywood is crap, but there are exceptions.

Anyway, have you ever been subjected to overt racism/islamophobia in USA?
 
It happens behind closed doors. You will not see it directly because that would trigger a law suit and no one would risk getting sued over racism. For muslims though america is still much better than the alternative of living in their own country.
 
Agreed that most of what comes out of bollywood is crap, but there are exceptions.

Anyway, have you ever been subjected to overt racism/islamophobia in USA?

Since Trump came into politics and after he became president, Islamapobia and violence against Muslims has increased. Few have lost their lives.

But it is still not the most persecuted minority, that title is still being held by African American community.
 
Agreed that most of what comes out of bollywood is crap, but there are exceptions.

Anyway, have you ever been subjected to overt racism/islamophobia in USA?

Not in front of my face.

I’m sure I’ve met people who aren’t the most friendly/ hospitable towards Muslims but their islamophobia likely remains behind closed doors at best.

But to answer your question not overtly
 
It happens behind closed doors. You will not see it directly because that would trigger a law suit and no one would risk getting sued over racism. For muslims though america is still much better than the alternative of living in their own country.

Law suit can only happen if someone openly refuses to hire you, serve you at a restaurant or is violent because of your race or religion. You can't really sue a person for yelling racial slurs at you on the street?
 
Since Trump came into politics and after he became president, Islamapobia and violence against Muslims has increased. Few have lost their lives.

But it is still not the most persecuted minority, that title is still being held by African American community.

That is true. At times i am worried about the future of muslims in USA and elsewhere in the west. It has now been 17 years since 9/11/2001 and i just don't see the islamophobia subsiding anytime soon. In fact things only seem to be getting worse.
Noone could have predicted the way Trump was able to ascend into power. God forbid if there is another 9/11 like incident, i can't imagine what would happen to muslims then
 
Lol @ forming opinions based off bollywood films.

I would not say i'm just basing opinions off films .
I also mentioned how i have experienced racism as a teenager, and am also asking other forum members about their experiences of racism
 
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Most American Muslim's are doing okay. Lets not exaggerate or be melodramatic. Some racism, xenophobia and discrimination exists everywhere.
 
? Did u see my name is Khan or New York my name Khan if anything was a football incident which can happen during bullying..
If anything that movie showed how everyone was helpful and America is great.

New York on the other hand lol, also assuming you are of Pakistani descent have you not seen Khuda ke liye? They literally take a dig at Brit-Pakistanis and show racism towards Muslims in America.
 
It happens behind closed doors. You will not see it directly because that would trigger a law suit and no one would risk getting sued over racism. For muslims though america is still much better than the alternative of living in their own country.

I think that is true for non-Muslims as well if they are from a third world country. Wouldn't you prefer to live in California to the Congo if you were a Christian or a Hindu?
 
LOL. What a joke. No they are not. The only ones who have it tough in the US are African Americans.
 
Agreed that most of what comes out of bollywood is crap, but there are exceptions.

Anyway, have you ever been subjected to overt racism/islamophobia in USA?

America is a funny country.. they have their basis in lofty ideals.. freedom.. universal acceptance.. separation of church and state.. etc

So anything that goes against these ideals, is publicly looked down upon.. but it doesnt mean it doesnt go on... there is racism.. there is islamophobia.. but it was mainly behind closed doors... now slowly with Tump’s Great America, it seems this sort of stuff is now becoming more acceptable and can happen publicly and not behind closed doors.. not saying its all that bad and there are mass lynchings of Muslims or talk of Muslim concentration camps and such but things are nowhere as good as they were before 911 or even after 911, up until the end of Obama era.
 
Good thing in US + (Canada?) is everybody is an immigrant. Native Americans are <5% population.

As opposed to Brit Pakistanis who will never be ethnically English in the country of English people.

BTW OP there is racism against every minority. Muslims aren't special.
 
Good thing in US + (Canada?) is everybody is an immigrant. Native Americans are <5% population.

As opposed to Brit Pakistanis who will never be ethnically English in the country of English people.

BTW OP there is racism against every minority. Muslims aren't special.

Dude you live in NYC one of the most diverse and liberal parts of the country, it's possibly the best place in the country to be a Muslim if it weren't for 9/11, it's still like top 3 places to live for an American Muslim. The rest of America isn't like NYC, the south, west, and midwest are very consverative, there's a lot of racism and anti muslim sentiment. Many people here don't know anything about muslims or different races and cultures, I'd say NYC and other big east coast cities and maybe some cities on the west coast are like bubbles that are far removed from what this country is actually like.

Outside the coastal cities, people in "the heartland" view American as an ethnicity and anybody not white isn't "really American".
 
Get ready to throw my hands at them if they try to get near me.

I was talking about verbal abuse. Which is in my opinion, the biggest and the most “real” probkem.. especially if you are a family man.
 
Dude you live in NYC one of the most diverse and liberal parts of the country, it's possibly the best place in the country to be a Muslim if it weren't for 9/11, it's still like top 3 places to live for an American Muslim. The rest of America isn't like NYC, the south, west, and midwest are very consverative, there's a lot of racism and anti muslim sentiment. Many people here don't know anything about muslims or different races and cultures, I'd say NYC and other big east coast cities and maybe some cities on the west coast are like bubbles that are far removed from what this country is actually like.

Outside the coastal cities, people in "the heartland" view American as an ethnicity and anybody not white isn't "really American".
+1

And also the level of illiteracy is astounding in those areas. The people in these areas are the reason Americans have a bad name for knowing zilch about geography, history and world affairs.. most of them dont ever step outside their states.. the american society for lower and lower class is like a life ofbondage and slavery.. like drones they work their minimum wage jobs to make ends meet. Doesnt leave a lot of time to catch up on world events and such.. tv stations like fox news is their only source so you can imagine how they feel about minorities in Trump’s America!
 
I was talking about verbal abuse. Which is in my opinion, the biggest and the most “real” probkem.. especially if you are a family man.

You can abuse them back or walk away. Better to smile at them so they get more aggravated, and when they try to attack you can knock them out.
 
Dude you live in NYC one of the most diverse and liberal parts of the country, it's possibly the best place in the country to be a Muslim if it weren't for 9/11, it's still like top 3 places to live for an American Muslim. The rest of America isn't like NYC, the south, west, and midwest are very consverative, there's a lot of racism and anti muslim sentiment. Many people here don't know anything about muslims or different races and cultures, I'd say NYC and other big east coast cities and maybe some cities on the west coast are like bubbles that are far removed from what this country is actually like.

Outside the coastal cities, people in "the heartland" view American as an ethnicity and anybody not white isn't "really American".

What about the big cities in the south like Atlanta (in Georgia), Houston & Dallas (Texas), and Miami(florida). As far as i am aware, they have a large population of muslims. What are these cities like for muslims?
 
Good thing in US + (Canada?) is everybody is an immigrant. Native Americans are <5% population.

As opposed to Brit Pakistanis who will never be ethnically English in the country of English people.

BTW OP there is racism against every minority. Muslims aren't special.

Try telling white Americans they are immigrants, they will round you up and put you in a cage alongside your Mexican backpackers. Britain is probably far easier for Pakistanis as they have penetrated most areas. You can see this with the proliferation of MPs of Pakistani origin. Who have you got? Two Indians who changed their names to Nikki and Bobby so they could be accepted as homegrown. Good ol' Bobby became a Christian as well for good measure, not sure about Mrs Hayley.
 
Try telling white Americans they are immigrants, they will round you up and put you in a cage alongside your Mexican backpackers. Britain is probably far easier for Pakistanis as they have penetrated most areas. You can see this with the proliferation of MPs of Pakistani origin. Who have you got? Two Indians who changed their names to Nikki and Bobby so they could be accepted as homegrown. Good ol' Bobby became a Christian as well for good measure, not sure about Mrs Hayley.

Well you dnt need to go 7 oceans across to point 2 examples of boby and nikki. You could give example of crores of people changed their names,across the border ,since centuries due to many reasons.isnt it ? So it has been happening since many years.
That's how indians are. Not sure their behaviour after they become ex indians though. So you have a point.
 
Dude you live in NYC one of the most diverse and liberal parts of the country, it's possibly the best place in the country to be a Muslim if it weren't for 9/11, it's still like top 3 places to live for an American Muslim. The rest of America isn't like NYC, the south, west, and midwest are very consverative, there's a lot of racism and anti muslim sentiment. Many people here don't know anything about muslims or different races and cultures, I'd say NYC and other big east coast cities and maybe some cities on the west coast are like bubbles that are far removed from what this country is actually like.

Outside the coastal cities, people in "the heartland" view American as an ethnicity and anybody not white isn't "really American".

I could be going to East Rutherford, New Jersey which is close to NYC I believe although not 100%. I rarely travel away so this would like a big trip on my part, at the back of your mind some of the stereotypes of US will bother you a little but you can't make decisions based on those or you will just remain in a box. Anyhow, what are the best places to visit and things to do in those places and the best places to munch in :afridi god willing if all goes well I will be there. I really wanted to be at the Wilder/Fury fight in December but it was announced on short notice for me.
 
Try telling white Americans they are immigrants, they will round you up and put you in a cage alongside your Mexican backpackers. Britain is probably far easier for Pakistanis as they have penetrated most areas. You can see this with the proliferation of MPs of Pakistani origin. Who have you got? Two Indians who changed their names to Nikki and Bobby so they could be accepted as homegrown. Good ol' Bobby became a Christian as well for good measure, not sure about Mrs Hayley.

For the record, i have told them that, and no i was not put in a cage.. lol
 
Try telling white Americans they are immigrants, they will round you up and put you in a cage alongside your Mexican backpackers. Britain is probably far easier for Pakistanis as they have penetrated most areas. You can see this with the proliferation of MPs of Pakistani origin. Who have you got? Two Indians who changed their names to Nikki and Bobby so they could be accepted as homegrown. Good ol' Bobby became a Christian as well for good measure, not sure about Mrs Hayley.
The Democrat party tells white Americans that everyday and they control the legislative branch of the government so not sure what you’re so frustrated about
 
The Democrat party tells white Americans that everyday and they control the legislative branch of the government so not sure what you’re so frustrated about

He does have a point. There is a vast majority of people who think that way about minorities, but its anotherr thing they cant do anything too overt about it. The latest rise of the white nationalists here as a result of Trump’s rhetoric is a clear case in point. Now they held a supposedly peaceful rally in Charlotesville, protestors showed up and one of them mowed down a poor white woman protestor with his car.

Point is hatred has no limit if its there and anybody can be a target for a racist even from his or her own race.

Regardless, i feel safe in the US. I have all my life never felt any threat to me well being based on my racial or religious identity. Then again perhaps I have not been to backwoods of certain states known for housing such elements. Most minorities stay away from such places. I have a friend who went to the University of Alabama and that state is quite notorious for racism. He would tell me stories of unsavory oncidents he had back in the 80s.
 
The Democrat party tells white Americans that everyday and they control the legislative branch of the government so not sure what you’re so frustrated about

I was answering the point made against British Pakistanis, was not really addressed to you, but same message really. Democrats may well tell whites they are immigrants, but most white Americans don't see themselves that way, they think of America as their country. Probably why the Democrats need to point it out don't you think? I don't know why you thought pointing these things out is frustration, it is in fact just reality. But of course things can always improve and deteriorate so it is not a fixed destiny.
 
Having been to America I personally feel that it depends on the area/state you are in. I went to California and the people there were more polite and open than people here in the UK and they knew my family was Muslim due to my mother's headscarf. However, there are some places where I have heard of lots of racism and hatred towards muslims but you can't really generalise it to the entire of America.
In fact I personally believe that Australia is more discriminatory than USA from what I've heard from my family members that live in Australia. People in general in Australia tend to be rather rough compared to UK and USA and so it would be no surprise that there would be more Muslim hate there.
 
Having been to America I personally feel that it depends on the area/state you are in. I went to California and the people there were more polite and open than people here in the UK and they knew my family was Muslim due to my mother's headscarf. However, there are some places where I have heard of lots of racism and hatred towards muslims but you can't really generalise it to the entire of America.
In fact I personally believe that Australia is more discriminatory than USA from what I've heard from my family members that live in Australia. People in general in Australia tend to be rather rough compared to UK and USA and so it would be no surprise that there would be more Muslim hate there.
Never been to australia but i have heard the same thing.

In the US, if you stay in areas where there are majority college educated people, its a lot better.

Racism comes in all shapes and forms, whites, blacks and mexicans have all been known to show negative attitude towards Muslims..
 
I guess it depends on what you see as persecution.

Muslims in the US are not being attacked by vigilante groups openly as they are in some part of India or Burma. US is also a big nation so from what I know doesnt have small fascist zionist groups such as ELD or Britain first who go to areas with high Muslim population to abuse them under the guise of freedom of speech.

The problem I see in the US, it's ok to openly abuse the religion of Muslims. Even their President Trump will not hold back or hosts of popular tv shows. It seems it ok to do so against Muslims but not against Jews or Christians. In the UK we dont have this problem and tbh there are too many Muslims in all areas of society to allow fascist groups to intimidate them.
 
I guess it depends on what you see as persecution.

Muslims in the US are not being attacked by vigilante groups openly as they are in some part of India or Burma. US is also a big nation so from what I know doesnt have small fascist zionist groups such as ELD or Britain first who go to areas with high Muslim population to abuse them under the guise of freedom of speech.

The problem I see in the US, it's ok to openly abuse the religion of Muslims. Even their President Trump will not hold back or hosts of popular tv shows. It seems it ok to do so against Muslims but not against Jews or Christians. In the UK we dont have this problem and tbh there are too many Muslims in all areas of society to allow fascist groups to intimidate them.

Even in UK I am not impressed with Daily Mail who get away with open bigotry. A while ago I was reading a news article about some petty thief, the daily mail article kept on referencing ''Muslim''. Yet nothing the criminal was motivated due to religion.

Had they ever done a 'Jewish thief' headline they'd be shut down.
 
Even in UK I am not impressed with Daily Mail who get away with open bigotry. A while ago I was reading a news article about some petty thief, the daily mail article kept on referencing ''Muslim''. Yet nothing the criminal was motivated due to religion.

Had they ever done a 'Jewish thief' headline they'd be shut down.

Fair point, you can add The Sun and other media outlets to this. They do it under 'freedom of speech' but in reality is brainwashing the already dumbed down population. The regulators find it difficult to impose bans or fines as there is a grey area but as you point out they would never do the same for the Jews.

Who would have thought it was white Europeans who butchered millions of Jews in Germany and it was the white Christians who have historically killed Jews though out the ages but now they have buried this history to become the protectors of the Jews. Do you know why this sudden change of heart came about?
 
Fair point, you can add The Sun and other media outlets to this. They do it under 'freedom of speech' but in reality is brainwashing the already dumbed down population. The regulators find it difficult to impose bans or fines as there is a grey area but as you point out they would never do the same for the Jews.

Who would have thought it was white Europeans who butchered millions of Jews in Germany and it was the white Christians who have historically killed Jews though out the ages but now they have buried this history to become the protectors of the Jews. Do you know why this sudden change of heart came about?
The UK media is very much biased. I wish they could bring in strict laws. The banks have been regulated, they are putting restrictions on porn search, now its time the media gets a lesson on responsible reporting.
 
The UK media is very much biased. I wish they could bring in strict laws. The banks have been regulated, they are putting restrictions on porn search, now its time the media gets a lesson on responsible reporting.

What worse is the BBC where we have no choice but to finance it. It like most of the mainstream media is ruled by Zionist western agendas. The US is even worse, I can't believe people actually watch their news channels, very trashy low quality news reprorting and openly bias. At least we dont have prime minsiters or leaders openly abusing religion as the US has with Trump. Something to be thankful for.
 
I guess it depends on what you see as persecution.

Muslims in the US are not being attacked by vigilante groups openly as they are in some part of India or Burma. US is also a big nation so from what I know doesnt have small fascist zionist groups such as ELD or Britain first who go to areas with high Muslim population to abuse them under the guise of freedom of speech.

The problem I see in the US, it's ok to openly abuse the religion of Muslims. Even their President Trump will not hold back or hosts of popular tv shows. It seems it ok to do so against Muslims but not against Jews or Christians. In the UK we dont have this problem and tbh there are too many Muslims in all areas of society to allow fascist groups to intimidate them.
Much of it has to do with a certain group of people who also talk bad about Jews and Blacks.. its basically political posturing. Another reason is they feel their right of freedom of speech is threatened after some loons used terrorism as a response to insulting cartoons about our Holy Prophet (PBUH).. so its kind of like a spoilt brat’s psychology to do what you ask them to NOT do.. they feel inclined to do it. They feel they are being threatened by us and we will impose sharia law in the USA.. all of which is of course propaganda and falsehoods spread by some for political reasons..

And all of this is actually fairly recent.. thanks to DT.. things wre not that bad even right after 9/11. Still we are far from persecuted.. right now we are in the “religious based profiled” phase pretty much like Jews, Blacks and Mexicans
 
Much of it has to do with a certain group of people who also talk bad about Jews and Blacks.. its basically political posturing. Another reason is they feel their right of freedom of speech is threatened after some loons used terrorism as a response to insulting cartoons about our Holy Prophet (PBUH).. so its kind of like a spoilt brat’s psychology to do what you ask them to NOT do.. they feel inclined to do it. They feel they are being threatened by us and we will impose sharia law in the USA.. all of which is of course propaganda and falsehoods spread by some for political reasons..

And all of this is actually fairly recent.. thanks to DT.. things wre not that bad even right after 9/11. Still we are far from persecuted.. right now we are in the “religious based profiled” phase pretty much like Jews, Blacks and Mexicans

I think the US constitution is outdated and backward in regards to right to bear arms and right of free speech in this case. In the UK we have laws regarding free speech such as inciting hatred which the US President has done on many occasions. It must feel pretty awful for Muslim Americans to hear the President of their nation spout so much nonsense against their religion but hopefully they all realise like you it's for political gains.

Now I can recall some incident where people have used this free speech to wait outside mosques to spread their hate openly but if you look deep into most of these groups in the US and Europe their is always some Zionist Israeli hands behind it. Sadly due to this, i dont think this is going anywhere anytime soon in both continents.
 
I think the US constitution is outdated and backward in regards to right to bear arms and right of free speech in this case. In the UK we have laws regarding free speech such as inciting hatred which the US President has done on many occasions. It must feel pretty awful for Muslim Americans to hear the President of their nation spout so much nonsense against their religion but hopefully they all realise like you it's for political gains.

Now I can recall some incident where people have used this free speech to wait outside mosques to spread their hate openly but if you look deep into most of these groups in the US and Europe their is always some Zionist Israeli hands behind it. Sadly due to this, i dont think this is going anywhere anytime soon in both continents.

You are absolutely correct.. We are a different world altogether, rsther divorced from the rest of the civilised world. Therr is too much of political posturing on key issues and not much of common sense.

Inspite of the ground breaking progress US has made in every facet of human life, you just cant avoid the fact in a lot of ways, the nation is still far behind in some key areas, which are turned into political ammo now. Gun control, abortion, healthcare are the three big ones.

If you study the nation’s history, we were also the last the last ones to end slavery and then grant black equal rights. So historically speaking, there is a trend of America lagging behind the rest of the modern world in certain social aspects. There are a number of reasons behind why thats the case.

But at the moment, the nation is in a state of a cold civil war and it came to a head when obama was elected and as a backlash, Trump in 2016. It is no longer a conservative vs liberal debate which was far more civil in the past. Now its crossed over racial and demographic lines. Middle America, read blue collar whites mostly without college education are being fed poisonous rhetoric that immigrants/non-whites are taking over and have declared war on whites and are taking over the country. They are taking the jobs, eating up welfare programs, and are out breeding them.. some of this stuff has merit but largely, its just political propaganda to ensure the country enacts policies to minimize the influx of non whites, and keep the whites in control of the government.

Some of this stuff is ridiculous because 1) immigrants legal or illegal rarely qualify for welfare plans.
2) immigrants either take below minimum wage jobs or are highly skilled and take jobs that local companies cant find local talent for. So either way, the blue collared jobs are not the ones at risk.

But Trump will have you believe that all the jobs that pay $15-$30 an hour are being taken up by those mexicans crossing the border. And they are also responsible for increased crime rate in the country. Etc, etc.

These are indeed difficult times here in the US ..
 
It depends on which part of USA you live in. I don't think there is a black and white answer.

Many Muslims are doing quite well in USA while some are not.
 
NGL overall Islamophobia has become more main stream . It's way more out in the open now than it was before and its kind of tolerated/accepted in more settings than I'd care. Having said that , majority of people are good people who have been brain washed by fake news media. On a personal level its not as bad but overall as a society I have seen increased acceptance of it.
 
NGL overall Islamophobia has become more main stream . It's way more out in the open now than it was before and its kind of tolerated/accepted in more settings than I'd care. Having said that , majority of people are good people who have been brain washed by fake news media. On a personal level its not as bad but overall as a society I have seen increased acceptance of it.

It’s going to get worse. It’s so hilarious that most whites don’t even investigate alleged minority defamation rhetoric emanating from the trump corner.

My neighbors are a retired white couple in their late 60s early 70s. Very nice and cordial people. I was talking to them the other day about the George Floyd case and they defended the cop saying he was trained to put his knee on the neck. It’s not his fault.

Seriously? That was a big facepalm moment for me.
 
It’s going to get worse. It’s so hilarious that most whites don’t even investigate alleged minority defamation rhetoric emanating from the trump corner.

My neighbors are a retired white couple in their late 60s early 70s. Very nice and cordial people. I was talking to them the other day about the George Floyd case and they defended the cop saying he was trained to put his knee on the neck. It’s not his fault.

Seriously? That was a big facepalm moment for me.

Lol I can believe it . Boomers are a hopeless generation .They are so damn entitled and think they know better than anybody else. On top of that they are gullible AF annnnnnd they vote .
 
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The Rutgers law school graduate was nominated by Joe Biden and confirmed by the Senate on Thursday in an 81-16 vote. But Quraishi’s work with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) during the Bush administration and his role in the Iraq war has garnered criticism too.

In a statement released earlier in April, the Council on American Islamic Relations, a Muslim civil rights advocacy group, voiced concerns about Quraishi’s professional past.

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