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Is the UK better or worse off since leaving the EU?

Is the UK better or worse off since leaving the EU?

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Fuel shortages (or shortages due to lack of fuel truck drivers)

Food shelves empty in supermarkets

NHS short of nursing staff...

Did anyone see these things coming when they voted to leave the EU?

Or is the UK better off?
 
London (CNN Business)Rising energy bills, higher prices and a critical shortage of workers leading to food and fuel supply constraints are threatening to stall Britain's recovery from the pandemic

The crises afflicting the UK economy have sparked talk in newspapers and among politicians of a looming "winter of discontent," a reference to the wave of strike action in 1978-79 that brought the British economy to its knees. There's even talk of stagflation, the nightmare combination of stagnant growth and high inflation.

Although shortages, supply chain delays and rising food and energy costs are affecting several major economies, including the United States, China and Germany, Britain is suffering more than most because of Brexit.

Specifically, the form of Brexit pursued by the UK government — which introduced stringent immigration policies and took Britain out the EU market for goods and energy, making it much harder for British companies to hire European workers and much more costly for them to do business with the country's single biggest trading partner.

It didn't have to be this way — there were other options for a future EU-UK relationship. Worker shortages, for example, were not an inevitable outcome of Brexit, nor was going it alone on energy. But in Prime Minister Boris Johnson's ideological rush to "get Brexit done" amid fraught negotiations with the European Union, agreements in several crucial areas, including energy, were sidelined.

The UK government's post-Brexit immigration system, meanwhile, was designed to reduce the numbers of unskilled workers coming to Britain and end what the government described as the country's "reliance on cheap, low-skilled labor," despite a domestic unemployment rate in the region of just 5%.

"Ultimately, the government made a political decision to make low-skilled immigration more difficult," said Joe Marshall, a senior researcher at the Institute for Government, an independent think tank. "Labor shortages may have been less severe if the UK had retained free movement of people post-Brexit," he added.

Britain had a record 1 million job vacancies between June and August, according to the Office for National Statistics. Restaurants, pubs and supermarkets, including Nando's, had to temporarily close some locations last month due to staff shortages or because certain ingredients weren't delivered as a result of fewer truck drivers.

The adult social care sector also faces a "workforce crisis" and will need to recruit overseas workers to fill tens of thousands of vacancies, according to Care England, which represents independent providers.

Supply chain constraints exacerbated by Brexit means that UK consumers are facing surging food and energy bills at the same time that pandemic support measures are being unwound, including government support for wages and a £20 ($27) weekly uplift to social security payments.

Chronic labor shortages

This week the UK government was forced to partly back track on its stringent post-Brexit immigration policy after thousands of gas stations ran dry over the weekend and food retailers warned that the country had just 10 days to "save Christmas."

In an interview with broadcasters on Tuesday, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps acknowledged that Brexit "no doubt will have been a factor" in contributing to the fuel supply crisis.

To ease the pressure, the government will issue temporary visas to 10,500 foreign truck drivers and poultry industry workers. But industry groups say the measure won't make much difference, in part because it's unclear whether EU workers want to come back to a country that's become more hostile to their presence.

British Chambers of Commerce President Ruby McGregor-Smith said that even if short-term visas attract the maximum numbers allowed, "it will not be enough to address the scale of the problem that has now developed in our supply chains." She likened it to "throwing a thimble of water on a bonfire."

The UK military is now on standby for deliveries amid warnings from the British Medical Association that healthcare workers, including ambulance drivers, won't be able to do their jobs as pumps run dry, although the Petrol Retailers Association said on Tuesday that there are "early signs that the crisis at pumps is ending."

The shortage of drivers has been exacerbated by Brexit, which resulted in tens of thousands of EU nationals leaving trucking jobs and other occupations in the United Kingdom. Johnson's decision to end of free movement of workers following Brexit has also made it more difficult for Europeans who had returned home during the pandemic to come back.

While many have a right to remain in Britain, they have been made to feel "pretty unwelcome" because of Brexit, said L. Alan Winters, founding director of the UK Trade Policy Observatory at the University of Sussex.

"Covid was just the straw that broke the camel's back, in the sense that things have just become less pleasant here [for EU workers]," he added.

The exodus of workers is a major problem for many sectors, which over four decades of EU membership had come to rely on a steady inflow of labor.

"The supply of EU labor was turned off with no clear roadmap as to how this transition would be managed without disruption to services and supply chains," said McGregor-Smith. "A managed transition, with a plan agreed between government and business, should have been in place from the outset."

A recent Grant Thornton report commissioned by the food and drink industry estimated that there are in excess of 500,000 vacancies across the sector.

Farms and food processors have been forced to cut back production or simply let crops go to waste because they don't have enough workers. That's leading to reduced ranges of products at supermarkets and in some cases empty shelves.

"The labor crisis is a Brexit issue, and one that has been widely reported across the food and drink sector," Richard Griffiths, chief executive of the British Poultry Council, said in a statement last month.

According to Nick Allen, the CEO of the British Meat Processors Association (BMPA), a lot of farmers simply haven't reared turkeys in the lead up to Christmas because labor supply was so uncertain.

"There will be a shortage [of turkeys]," Allen told CNN Business, adding that other Christmas favorites such as gammon and pigs-in-blankets (sausages wrapped in bacon), will likely also be in short supply.

Data from Adimo, a shopping technology platform that tracks consumer interest in 300 brands, shows that the percentage of products out of stock in UK supermarkets is reaching levels experienced in March 2020, when shoppers were panic buying as coronavirus cases climbed.

The company predicts that by early December, UK shoppers will experience worse grocery shortages than at the peak of the pandemic last year.

Alcohol, dairy, meats and frozen foods are going to be the most affected, according to Adimo CEO Richard Kelly. "A lack of choice and rising supply chain costs will all affect the price customers have to pay for their weekly or Christmas shop," Kelly added.

Increasing wages on farms and in food processing plants to attract more British workers will also eventually filter through to higher prices, said Allen. "We all want a high wage economy ... but somebody has to pay for it."

Energy crisis

Rising food prices come as Britain grapples with a spike in natural gas and electricity costs, driven in part by chilly spring temperatures earlier this year, rising demand from China and lower supplies from Russia.

Soaring energy prices are a problem in Europe too. But the situation is particularly acute in the United Kingdom because the supply crunch has been exacerbated by a lack of large natural gas storage facilities, delayed maintenance work and a fire that shut down a power cable from France.

Earlier this month, skyrocketing gas prices prompted a major US fertilizer manufacturer to suspend production in Britain, turning off most of the country's supply of carbon dioxide to the food and drink industry in the process. The gas is used to stun animals for slaughter, as well as in packaging to extend the shelf life of fresh, chilled and baked goods, and in the production of carbonated drinks.

None of these problems can be blamed on Brexit, but the minimalist EU trade deal Johnson signed last December has left the United Kingdom to navigate the current crisis alone because it did not include any agreement on energy. That meant Britain left the EU internal energy market on December 31, 2020.

"There isn't that closeness of cooperation [between the United Kingdom and European Union] on security of [energy] supply," said Lilah Howson-Smith, a senior associate at Global Counsel, a policy advisory firm. This has left the UK government with fewer levers at its disposal to manage current challenges, she added.

These include access to storage facilities and solidarity among EU member states, which contributes to security of supply, according to a 2016 report commissioned by National Grid, a utilities company, which found that leaving the internal energy market could cause UK energy bills to soar by up to £500 million ($677.8 million) a year.

"Though uncertain, the impact of Brexit on the UK energy system is very likely to be negative," the report said.

Economists are already warning that sustained upward pressure on prices driven by worker shortages, snarled supply chains and rising energy costs will weigh on UK growth and increase inflation, which is already at its highest level in more than two decades.
Britain's economy remains 2.1% smaller than before the pandemic and economists at Berenberg recently pushed back their forecast for a full recovery to the second quarter of 2022.

By comparison, S&P Global Ratings expects Europe to return to its pre-crisis level of GDP before the end of this year, one quarter earlier than previously forecast, suggesting that the diverging fortunes of the UK and EU economies, already apparent in growth and investment patterns since the Brexit referendum in 2016, looks set to continue.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/brexit-fuel-food-shortages/index.html
 
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It was never going to be a high-speed tyre blowout, it’s a slow puncture. Food has got more expensive, imports and exports with EU will get more expensive as goods are stuck in customs, services will decline due to loss of corporation tax revenue, and there is a loss of British soft power. Firstly because we no longer have any influence in the EU, and secondly because we look like idiots to the world for being the first country to impose trade barriers against itself.
 
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For me it's been a complete and utter disaster and I see now way out of it
 
Can't say as I don't live in the UK. But I see a lot of Brits moving to France nowadays. Maybe it's the same in other EU countries too?
 
Can't say as I don't live in the UK. But I see a lot of Brits moving to France nowadays. Maybe it's the same in other EU countries too?

There was a rush to get passports from EU nations, in order to continue to enjoy the benefits of EU citizenship. I did too, so I have my lifeboat, but I won’t abandon ship just yet. I’m manning the pumps.
 
The cost of labour is now going through the roof.
tradesmen who were booked in June for works to start in September pull out at the last minute and others who are quoting 60pct more just for the labour cost. Raw materials are already 30pct higher and that's if you can get hold of it.

One construction company, out of the 44 people they employ, 38 were from Eastern Europe,
8 had settled status, the rest went home in June/July and are not returning. The company is now only doing emergency works and will have to shut down by March next year unless things change drastically.

Where daily labour cost would be around £150-£170 per day for a painter for around 8 days work. It is now around £220-£250 per day for a guaranteed minimum 12 days... with work only able to commence from Mid November at the earliest (if you're lucky)..





It's an economical and logistical nightmare at the moment.



This is just the building/construction sector.
 
Employers were enjoying cheap EU labour for years, cash in hand, distorting real wages, suppressing wages, and now that wages are adjusting, employers are weeping, no more cheap labour!

The EU totally destroyed British jobs. Adjustment period is a must.
 
It’s very early days. There are always teething issues. In 5-10 years we will have a good idea of whether leaving the EU was a good, a bad, or a pointless idea.
 
Employers were enjoying cheap EU labour for years, cash in hand, distorting real wages, suppressing wages, and now that wages are adjusting, employers are weeping, no more cheap labour!

The EU totally destroyed British jobs. Adjustment period is a must.

Not just employers.
People had to wait 7 days for a simple job which took the European labour three days to complete and at a cheaper price.

The English plumbers and electricians and builders made a killing on the back of the cheaper labour coming in and with more people came more demand for goods and services too.

Businesses were at up on the back of this labour and the indigenous labour force had more jobs and income then anything pre free movement.

From an imployers perspective, only the cowboy outfits would pay cash, the majority companies always want invoices
 
It’s very early days. There are always teething issues. In 5-10 years we will have a good idea of whether leaving the EU was a good, a bad, or a pointless idea.

This is true.
But the Tory Brexiteers have had the lower tax plans and making Britain a Switzerland or Singapore clone blown to shreds due to Covid
 
Too early to say of course, but the current short term ramifications are making a fool out of many Vote Leave leaders and their quotes/promises. Prime example being the US's reluctance to do a trade deal with the UK, after Boris spent all this time ramming it down voter throats that UK would be "first in line" for a trade deal with the US. :)))
 
Employers were enjoying cheap EU labour for years, cash in hand, distorting real wages, suppressing wages, and now that wages are adjusting, employers are weeping, no more cheap labour!

The EU totally destroyed British jobs. Adjustment period is a must.

That was the fault of British bosses, not our EU membership. Union membership has fallen for decades and that allowed the bosses more freedom to drive pay and conditions down.

Take agriculture for an example. Down my way, families would rely on seasonal work - basing their lives around bringing the harvest in. That gave them the money to last the winter. But the big farmers chose to employ gangers who imported foreign labour. Now that labour is gone, the harvest rots in the fields and our food security is threatened. And British workers won’t come back to these tough jobs.
 
That was the fault of British bosses, not our EU membership. Union membership has fallen for decades and that allowed the bosses more freedom to drive pay and conditions down.

Take agriculture for an example. Down my way, families would rely on seasonal work - basing their lives around bringing the harvest in. That gave them the money to last the winter. But the big farmers chose to employ gangers who imported foreign labour. Now that labour is gone, the harvest rots in the fields and our food security is threatened. And British workers won’t come back to these tough jobs.

In a business the idea is to keep costs low to maximise margins/profits. Cost for staff is a big chunck. If EU citizens were prepared to work for less, what do you think a boss should've done? Say no?

The airline industry is one example where EU citizens worked for less than advertised. The same in construction industry. Hospitality industry. This ultimatley drove down salaries because bosses were not prepared to pay 'market' rates based on UK standards, but were prepared to hire for less because EU citizens were happy to do so since the strong GBP vs EUR still meant they were making more than they would back home in EU.
 
It’s very early days. There are always teething issues. In 5-10 years we will have a good idea of whether leaving the EU was a good, a bad, or a pointless idea.

It’s becoming clear that EU membership had papered over deep cracks in our skill-sets in multiple employment sectors. Haulage, nursing, agriculture, hospitality.

Will this be a reboot opportunity in getting Britons trained up into key jobs?

I think it will take a change of government. The current crew exist only to remain in power and enrich their donors, not make life better for ordinary folk.
 
In a business the idea is to keep costs low to maximise margins/profits. Cost for staff is a big chunck. If EU citizens were prepared to work for less, what do you think a boss should've done? Say no?

The airline industry is one example where EU citizens worked for less than advertised. The same in construction industry. Hospitality industry. This ultimatley drove down salaries because bosses were not prepared to pay 'market' rates based on UK standards, but were prepared to hire for less because EU citizens were happy to do so since the strong GBP vs EUR still meant they were making more than they would back home in EU.

I would expect an ethical employer to keep wages up.

Unethical employers can always import cheaper labour from elsewhere. The problem isn’t the EU or African or Subcontinent workers, it’s the behaviour of unethical British employers unconstrained by labour unions. Brexit was supposed to fix this, but it won’t because it is the wrong answer to a valid question.
 
The UK is finished im afraid, they have lost the cheap labour eastern europeans used to bring, theres food shortages , energy and fuel crisis. The retail sector has seen record number of business closures with many big names disappearing from the high street, and it will never recover as after Brexit Uk decided to end their customs and tax benefits to non EU memebrs like china and america, many rich people from these countries used to come and shop here as they would get their duty back, now they will go to places like milan and paris.
 
The irony is for years we have heard the rhetoric from the english about foreigners coming over and taking their jobs , now the job are available no one wants to step up and actually do it
 
I would expect an ethical employer to keep wages up.

Unethical employers can always import cheaper labour from elsewhere. The problem isn’t the EU or African or Subcontinent workers, it’s the behaviour of unethical British employers unconstrained by labour unions. Brexit was supposed to fix this, but it won’t because it is the wrong answer to a valid question.

Businesses can't import cheap labour from just elsewhere. Theres a quota on non EU migrants, and said migrants need a working visa just to get into the country - legally. Such visas are granted based on professional jobs; picking fruit or waitressing doesn't count. On top of this jobs must be advertised within the UK first, and the employer must demonstrate they couldn't find staff in the UK before sponsoring a non-EU citizen to work.

It's simple economics, flood the market with workers, salaries drop. Ask yourself, if EU/Eurozone is the succesful economy it claims to be then why the highest levels of youth unemployment? Why some countries in the EU have negative rates?

Also, consider the fact, there's nothing stopping EU citizens from working in the UK even after Brexit. I know a few who chose to remain in the UK, and it was only a matter of paying for a few ID docs and proving their length of stay in the UK. Yet there are countless stories of EU citizens who decided to bail because the thought of having a visa/ID disgusted them. Not a problem for non-EU citizens though is it? We're happy to add a quota and they must then apply through a proper Visa process.

Covid has done more damage to the economy though. The furlough scheme ended yesterday, and many redundancies are in the pipe line. Supply chains will take time to return to pre covid levels.

The effects of Brexit are clouded with the effects of Covid. It will take a few years before you can say Brexit is a cause for certain.
 
Businesses can't import cheap labour from just elsewhere. Theres a quota on non EU migrants, and said migrants need a working visa just to get into the country - legally. Such visas are granted based on professional jobs; picking fruit or waitressing doesn't count. On top of this jobs must be advertised within the UK first, and the employer must demonstrate they couldn't find staff in the UK before sponsoring a non-EU citizen to work.

It's simple economics, flood the market with workers, salaries drop. Ask yourself, if EU/Eurozone is the succesful economy it claims to be then why the highest levels of youth unemployment? Why some countries in the EU have negative rates?

Also, consider the fact, there's nothing stopping EU citizens from working in the UK even after Brexit. I know a few who chose to remain in the UK, and it was only a matter of paying for a few ID docs and proving their length of stay in the UK. Yet there are countless stories of EU citizens who decided to bail because the thought of having a visa/ID disgusted them. Not a problem for non-EU citizens though is it? We're happy to add a quota and they must then apply through a proper Visa process.

Covid has done more damage to the economy though. The furlough scheme ended yesterday, and many redundancies are in the pipe line. Supply chains will take time to return to pre covid levels.

The effects of Brexit are clouded with the effects of Covid. It will take a few years before you can say Brexit is a cause for certain.

Do you think the UK economy grew too quickly due to the influx of cheaper European workers and would it have grown as quickly had free movement not been there in the first place?

Where do you think our economy would be now without feee movement?
 
The irony is for years we have heard the rhetoric from the english about foreigners coming over and taking their jobs , now the job are available no one wants to step up and actually do it

This is a false perception. Jobs are available, more vacancies are propping up, unemployment levels are stable.

The real challenge for the UK is the national debt. BoE predict 3 rate rises next year alone.
 
Businesses can't import cheap labour from just elsewhere. Theres a quota on non EU migrants, and said migrants need a working visa just to get into the country - legally. Such visas are granted based on professional jobs; picking fruit or waitressing doesn't count. On top of this jobs must be advertised within the UK first, and the employer must demonstrate they couldn't find staff in the UK before sponsoring a non-EU citizen to work.

It's simple economics, flood the market with workers, salaries drop. Ask yourself, if EU/Eurozone is the succesful economy it claims to be then why the highest levels of youth unemployment? Why some countries in the EU have negative rates?

Also, consider the fact, there's nothing stopping EU citizens from working in the UK even after Brexit. I know a few who chose to remain in the UK, and it was only a matter of paying for a few ID docs and proving their length of stay in the UK. Yet there are countless stories of EU citizens who decided to bail because the thought of having a visa/ID disgusted them. Not a problem for non-EU citizens though is it? We're happy to add a quota and they must then apply through a proper Visa process.

Covid has done more damage to the economy though. The furlough scheme ended yesterday, and many redundancies are in the pipe line. Supply chains will take time to return to pre covid levels.

The effects of Brexit are clouded with the effects of Covid. It will take a few years before you can say Brexit is a cause for certain.

Youth unemployment varies by EU state. It is very high is the struggling economies of Greece, Italy and Spain which skew the figures. It is low in strong economies such as Germany, Denmark and Netherlands. Germany. Overall the EU figure is a bit higher than the UK but I would hazard that other nations don’t have zero hours contracts counted as employment.

Of course loss of their rights disgusted some EU workers. It disgusted me too, hence applying for Irish citizenship. As I say I am staying here until retirement to man the pumps, but after that may see out my days in the Canaries under my restored EU citizenship. Mrs Robert will have to qualify as Spanish through residency.
 
This is a false perception. Jobs are available, more vacancies are propping up, unemployment levels are stable.

The real challenge for the UK is the national debt. BoE predict 3 rate rises next year alone.

True - but unwillingness to do the dirty jobs (slaughterman, fruit picker) and lack of skills (nurse, trucker) preclude filling the million vacancies.

Bring on the interest rate rises - my pension will shoot up in value.
 
Do you think the UK economy grew too quickly due to the influx of cheaper European workers and would it have grown as quickly had free movement not been there in the first place?

Where do you think our economy would be now without feee movement?

During the 80s, the UK economy boomed, UK was not a member of the EU, there was no free movement.

Free movement isn’t the problem per se. Before the UK joined the EU, nationals from the 6 founded nations of the EU/EEC were allowed to work in the UK - this was known as freedom of labour. They needed a job before entering the UK but no visa was required. Plus Citizens from the original 6 didn’t flock in their millions; their counteries were economically and politically sound.

The problem started occurring when ex commie nations in Europe joined the EU; and the UK government had a chance to impose a quota, but chose not to (Blair).

Freedom of movement has destroyed the UK economy, there is no boom; people are more in debt now than they were 10 / 20 years ago - this is excluding mortgages. House prices are beyond affordability, and the majority who bought did so via the bank of mum and dad, and inheritance. Plus the housing marking was buoyant because foreigners could buy property, despite not having to live in them.

Though yes you could say the UK economy grew too fast in the early 00s, but that was on the back of house prices going up due to influx of millions from EU. This drove house prices up, owners releasing equity, and thus fuelling the economy by making big purchases such as more houses, cars etc. This is known as the wealth effect rather than an economic boom.

If immigrants from the EU were with a quota, just like non_EU, then the economy wouldn’t be distorted, and would be far more stable than it is now.
 
Youth unemployment varies by EU state. It is very high is the struggling economies of Greece, Italy and Spain which skew the figures. It is low in strong economies such as Germany, Denmark and Netherlands. Germany. Overall the EU figure is a bit higher than the UK but I would hazard that other nations don’t have zero hours contracts counted as employment.

Of course loss of their rights disgusted some EU workers. It disgusted me too, hence applying for Irish citizenship. As I say I am staying here until retirement to man the pumps, but after that may see out my days in the Canaries under my restored EU citizenship. Mrs Robert will have to qualify as Spanish through residency.

EU citizens didn’t lose their rights. They had a choice to maintain those rights; the genuine EU citizens choose to, while the cheap EU labour force did not.
 
True - but unwillingness to do the dirty jobs (slaughterman, fruit picker) and lack of skills (nurse, trucker) preclude filling the million vacancies.

Bring on the interest rate rises - my pension will shoot up in value.

There’s no shortage of nurses. The problem is nurses choose to work in the private sector, more money, NHS pays peanuts.

I do agree with rising rates, pensions will go up, savers will be rewarded for doing the right thing, and most of debt will be under control, plus the GBP stronger.

UK government need to drop taxes on corporation, slash VAT, this will bolster consumerism and attract businesses to setup in the UK, creating more jobs.
 
It’s becoming clear that EU membership had papered over deep cracks in our skill-sets in multiple employment sectors. Haulage, nursing, agriculture, hospitality.

Will this be a reboot opportunity in getting Britons trained up into key jobs?

I think it will take a change of government. The current crew exist only to remain in power and enrich their donors, not make life better for ordinary folk.

It is definitely a big reboot opportunity.
 
There’s no shortage of nurses. The problem is nurses choose to work in the private sector, more money, NHS pays peanuts.

I do agree with rising rates, pensions will go up, savers will be rewarded for doing the right thing, and most of debt will be under control, plus the GBP stronger.

UK government need to drop taxes on corporation, slash VAT, this will bolster consumerism and attract businesses to setup in the UK, creating more jobs.

Some private sector nurses earn more and some less than NHS nurses. The NHS offers much better security in terms of excellent pension sick pay. Private sector nurses of course can negotiate salary with their employer directly, but job security will be less.

NHS is 30K nurses down as a result of Brexit.

Dropping corporation tax was part of the austerity measures that led to the Leave vote in the first place. Instead, UK plc should take the Obama route of short-term loans to industry to persuade it to train key staff.
 
Some private sector nurses earn more and some less than NHS nurses. The NHS offers much better security in terms of excellent pension sick pay. Private sector nurses of course can negotiate salary with their employer directly, but job security will be less.

NHS is 30K nurses down as a result of Brexit.

Dropping corporation tax was part of the austerity measures that led to the Leave vote in the first place. Instead, UK plc should take the Obama route of short-term loans to industry to persuade it to train key staff.

30K for NHS nurses due to Brexit? Is this because of an influx of nurses from EU? Can you provide some evidence supporting your claim? At best it proves that influx of workers reduces wages.

As for benefits for NHS nurses. Pension benefits kick in at age of 55; long term benefits kick in at 65+. How could you explain to a nurse working for the NHS to work it out till they are in the 55-65 age bracket, while paying for a mortgage 5 x 30K (best deals)?

As for Obama route, sod Obama, read the US constitution, Amreeka debt ceiling is not up for negotiation, look at the Amreekan route; pile on the debt and feed the illusion that debt is wealth. Meaning, forget paying the national debt, pile on the debt, it will never be repaid, because trust in USA means trust in US Treasuries, capitalism in full flow! Thus creating more monopoly money out of thin air (QE), and hope for the best, as it creates an illusion of wealth (not value). Might as well since UK is a lapdog of USA, so why not follow the economic principles of Amreeka? Reganomics! The fuel of the 80s UK economic boom!?
 
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