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Dry pitch for Pune Test could play into Australia's hands: Shane Warne

There has been plenty of talk about the nature of the surface for the opening Test between India and Australia in Pune ever since pictures first emerged of the 22-yard strip on Wednesday.

Australian skipper Steve Smith studied the pitch and concluded the ball would turn from Day 1 while his India counterpart Virat Kohli felt the turn would be slow.

As it turned out, Smith and everyone else was right. The pitch did turn appreciably from the second over of the day when R Ashwin was introduced into the attack with the new ball.

Australia's openers David Warner and Matt Renshaw did well to negate India's spin threat but Jayant Yadav, Ravindra Jadeja and Ashwin struck in the second session as Australia went to tea five down.

Shane Warne, one of the architects of Australia's 2004 series win here in India, felt the pitch could make the contest a level playing field. The legendary leg-spinner said he had never seen a pitch like the one in Pune before the start of a Test match.

"I was talking to Ravi Shastri for the pitch report and I don't think we have ever seen a pitch like that before the start of a Test match," Warne told cricket.com.au.

"It looks like a Day 8 pitch before the first ball has been bowled. It hasn't been watered for four days apparently. Phew! It's gonna be a quick one."

Warne, one of the shrewdest readers of the game in world cricket, said Ashwin would be a big threat for the Aussies but he refused to count out the pacers on this surface.

Warne felt the pacers could make an impact with the low, uneven bounce. Australia are playing Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood while India have fielded fast bowlers Ishant Sharma and Umesh Yadav. The latter made the first breakthrough for the hosts with the wicket of David Warner.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-australia-dry-pitch-first-test/1/889614.html
 
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Yeah......not true though.

Started off as a pitch which would be diabolical but settled down later in the day.

Tons of soft dismissals.

It is an ugly looking pitch though.
 
Haven't watched a ball but been following on cricinfo. Just saw Warnes interview with cricket CA

This was before start of play and He said he and Shastri agreed that it's the driest pitch he had ever seen. He also said pitch will be up and down so pacers can come into play

Pitch does not seem 2 paced, but it is slow and expect it to get slower as game progresses with maybe the odd delivery spinning sharply after hitting the cracks.

Also nagpur 2015 says hi to shastri if he thinks this is a dry unplayable pitch, he is just trying to pull kumble down because bcci gave the job to kumble rather than shastri.
 
Australia have won 7 tosses in a row in india including this one..its a big big advantage in subcontinent as we know..but still australia have lost easily all the previous 6 matches where they have won the toss....lets see how it goes in this match..india have to bat last here as well.
 
Yeah......not true though.

Started off as a pitch which would be diabolical but settled down later in the day.

Tons of soft dismissals.

It is an ugly looking pitch though.

I think it was clarke to said it but these words sum the pitch up perfectly, " It looks worse than it actually is".
 
So the rank turner makes a return after Ashwin averaged 30+ against England and didn't have the best game against Bangladesh.

Well done, Aussies. Now bowl them out for 150 tomorrow and give them a taste of their exclusive "bat first on a rank-turner" medicine.
 
So the rank turner makes a return after Ashwin averaged 30+ against England and didn't have the best game against Bangladesh.

Well done, Aussies. Now bowl them out for 150 tomorrow and give them a taste of their exclusive "bat first on a rank-turner" medicine.

Why are you so insecure when it comes to Ashwin? It is not like it will make Yasir any better. :yasir

And what medicine are you talking about? India has lost literally every single toss against Australia in last many years, yet haven't tasted this medicine you talk about. :))
 
its a result oriented pitch. Australia have a great chance to go 1- up in this match. I am not kidding, batting last on this pitch will be a nightmare.
 
So the rank turner makes a return after Ashwin averaged 30+ against England and didn't have the best game against Bangladesh.

Well done, Aussies. Now bowl them out for 150 tomorrow and give them a taste of their exclusive "bat first on a rank-turner" medicine.
Is that your prediction?
 
Why are you so insecure when it comes to Ashwin? :yasir

And what medicine are you talking about? India has lost literally every single toss against Australia in last many years, yet haven't tasted this medicine you talk about. :))

I don't like his fans hyping him up when he hasn't done anything of note outside of his home pitches.

Have they ever received a pitch like this? I remember there being a rank turner in the last series between the two but India had an ATG batting lineup back then, won't be the case this time around.
 
I saw first two hours, the pitch is a disgrace for test cricket, nothing predictable , just luck how you play. Its not just a turner, its unprepared wicket, not better than the one I have played in my early childhood , a make shift wicket on a grassy field on a neighborhood park. If it was in any other country , ICC would have stepped in.
 
Haven't watched a ball but been following on cricinfo. Just saw Warnes interview with cricket CA

This was before start of play and He said he and Shastri agreed that it's the driest pitch he had ever seen. He also said pitch will be up and down so pacers can come into play

Warne was pretty much spot on with his pitch assessment.

Today's pitch was an absolute rank Turner with stiff bounce. Even a rubbish bowler who doesn't know how to turn the ball an inch will look like murali on this type of wicket.
 
We never mind Australia giving us a fast-fiery-bouncy Perth Pitch (-10th Day Fresh pitch) next time up. Let's see! (Can they produce now?) We are not asking for flat pitches there either!
 
Pretty poor pitch for day one. Australia have done well but unfortunately don't have the spinners to reply.
 
Probably not. India will get to 250-300 because the whole of Australia and New Zealand don't have a good spinner between them.

Anything less than 450 Aus would have done well .
I guess , When Virat gets another big 100 you can talk about how flat the pitch is .
 
Considering Simon Harmer and co wreaked India on rank turners (Nagpur and Mohali), it will be interesting to see what the Aussie spinners come up with on this pitch.

Surely Aussies spinners are better than Harmer, Tahir and Piedt.

If history is anything to go by, if you are careful and apply well, you will pile on runs on these pitches atleast in first innings.

Aus almost did that today before they threw it all away.
 
Considering Simon Harmer and co wreaked India on rank turners (Nagpur and Mohali), it will be interesting to see what the Aussie spinners come up with on this pitch.

Surely Aussies spinners are better than Harmer, Tahir and Piedt.

If history is anything to go by, if you are careful and apply well, you will pile on runs on these pitches atleast in first innings.

Aus almost did that today before they threw it all away.

India's spin play as a unit has improved significantly since their first series back home.
 
Why are you so insecure when it comes to Ashwin? It is not like it will make Yasir any better. :yasir

And what medicine are you talking about? India has lost literally every single toss against Australia in last many years, yet haven't tasted this medicine you talk about. :))

Ashwin is the best spinner from Asia currently, so makes him the best in the world.

It's a fact and instead of being bitter, we should just accept that. He may not be extraordinary absolute quality but relatively he's the best.
 
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I thought it was a great pitch honestly. What excited me about it was the bounce. I like to see pace and bounce. I dislike traditional slow, low subcontinent wickets. Jadeja in particular got some to spit viciously off a length, bouncing up to forearm height to the batsman from fullish lengths. Australian bowlers will also like the bounce much much more than they will like the traditional slow, low subcontinent wicket; so it's not like this pitch has been doctored in favour of India.

Also look at how comfortable Starc has looked thrashing them around. Watch the considerably superior Indian batting unit come out and make this look like a road tomorrow. I'll be surprised if Australia knock them over for less than 400.
 
More like a dry day 3 pitch which is now settling down well. With the variable bounce, Starc and Hazlewood could be a handful.

Good test coming up for our batting line up.
 
India's spin play as a unit has improved significantly since their first series back home.

Yes but that won't fully explain away the disparity in results against superior spinners in bad pitches (assuming this is just as bad as Nagpur).

Vijay, Pujara have always been the same.
Dhawan was hit or miss. Now Rahul is hit or miss.
Kohli has transformed into a run machine.
Rahane is as good/bad against spin as he ever has been.
Lower order has become stronger.

Honestly, if this was Nagpur, Aus wouldn't have crossed 100 in first innings.
 
Ashwin is the best spinner from Asia currently, so makes him the best in the world.

It's a fact and instead of being bitter, we should just accept that. He may not be extraordinary absolute quality but relatively he's the best.

I will still take Herath as a pure spinner

Ashwin's genuine value, what makes people debate if he will be an ATG or not, is the fact that he can bat so well in addition to bowling.
 
More like a dry day 3 pitch which is now settling down well. With the variable bounce, Starc and Hazlewood could be a handful.

Good test coming up for our batting line up.

That is where the main challenge lies.

How we tackle their world class pacers.
 
If India can not score 550 on this track, they deserve to lose this,result pitch with loads of bounce and carry
 
I will still take Herath as a pure spinner

Ashwin's genuine value, what makes people debate if he will be an ATG or not, is the fact that he can bat so well in addition to bowling.

Herath in his prime was a better spinner than Ashwin, or Shah for that matter.
 
Yes but that won't fully explain away the disparity in results against superior spinners in bad pitches (assuming this is just as bad as Nagpur).

Vijay, Pujara have always been the same.
Dhawan was hit or miss. Now Rahul is hit or miss.
Kohli has transformed into a run machine.
Rahane is as good/bad against spin as he ever has been.
Lower order has become stronger.

Honestly, if this was Nagpur, Aus wouldn't have crossed 100 in first innings.

I disagree. You can't really get more bounce and turn than this pitch is offering. Australia's openers applied themselves really well and credit has to be given.
 
Nagpur was a whole different beast, lol. Highest score was 40 which was scored by Vijay, an opener who was batting in the first innings on the first morning. Next highest was 39 scored by Amla, a superb player of spin, and Faf, who was punching way above his weight. That fourth innings partnership was great to watch and really displayed the mental toughness and grit of South African players.
 
Well these are the pitches that have made a run-off-the-mill spinner like Ashwin as an ATG, so they have to do whatever they can to strengthen their main weapon.
 
Noted spin bowling champ U Yadav used the pitch well to get a 4-fer.
 
I disagree. You can't really get more bounce and turn than this pitch is offering. Australia's openers applied themselves really well and credit has to be given.

Actually its the bounce that saves batsman here.

It makes the ball easier to play.

And exaggerated turn in the initial period makes it easier for the ball to miss the edge.

Extreme bounce and turn is not the toughest SC pitch to play in. Extreme turn with low bounce is the toughest pitches to play in.

Here are actual match data that points to it:

1. India vs England - Mumbai - Turn and Bounce - Our top 7 had 4 over the hill bats. We still managed to score 330 against Panesar and Swann on the back of Pujara and Ashwin's performance. England scored 420.

2. India vs Australia - Chennai - Turn and Bounce - Aus registered their 2nd highest total in that series on a day 1 rank turner with spin and bounce. 380 runs. India replied with 530. Aus scored 200+ in 3rd innings too.

3. Same series in Hyderabad where the turn was not as much but the bounce was low, Aus crumbled to 237 in first innings but we replied with 503 after which Aus crumbled to 131. Much inferior returns than in a turning and bouncing pitch.

4. Same series in Delhi rank turner WITHOUT bounce, Aus scored 262 and India replied with just 272 in first innings. Aus crumbled to 150 and we chased it down.

5. The trend was AGAIN seen in India vs Eng Mumbai game played on a turner with more bounce. England scored 470. We replied with 630 and then they crumbled. In the tracks of Mohali and Vizag, they couldn't match this performance even though those tracks didn't get consistent turn on day 5...forget the bounce.

True turn and bounce pitches has always been high scoring.

Its the Hyderabad 2013, Delhi 2013, Mohali 2015, Nagpur 2015 which are the toughest to score runs cos the bounce won't be there to save you and run making is incredibly hard.
 
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Didn't watch the game, but looking at the figures....spin does not seem to have played that big a part. Jayant Yadav was expensive, and Umesh Yadav took 4 wickets. No Ashwin or Jadeja running through a team. Starc also looks to have hammered a few sixes and fours.

So did it really spin square, and was a nightmare to bat on?
 
Warne was pretty much spot on with his pitch assessment.

Today's pitch was an absolute rank Turner with stiff bounce. Even a rubbish bowler who doesn't know how to turn the ball an inch will look like murali on this type of wicket.

Judge it after both sides have bowled.
 
They planned the match perfectly by keeping the 4th day on sunday because that's when the game will get over in all probability.
 
Overrated pitch.

Only some deliveries we're misbehaving. For the most part, it was pretty easy to bat on.

Aus batsmen donated their wickets.

Just wait until India bats and it will look flat.
 
I think India will bat well in first innings, the pitch is not that as they are saying.
 
Why? Do Australia have spinners of Ashwin and Jadeja's quality?

Ashwin+Jadeja - 133/4 so far. So not much damage done by these two.

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I don't think that Indians will score too much here unless they bat extremely well. 8th day pitch is exaggeration, but pitch shouldn't be like this on day 1. Aus openers applied themselves and not many posters are giving credit to them. I saw first 15-20 overs and I am impressed the way they batted.
 
Ashwin+Jadeja - 133/4 so far. So not much damage done by these two.

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I don't think that Indians will score too much here unless they bat extremely well. 8th day pitch is exaggeration, but pitch shouldn't be like this on day 1. Aus openers applied themselves and not many posters are giving credit to them. I saw first 15-20 overs and I am impressed the way they batted.

India's spinners took 5 of the top 6 so damage was done.
 
India's spinners took 5 of the top 6 so damage was done.

Indian spinners gave lots of runs. 191/5 is not a poor effort by any means, but I was commenting on this 8th day pitch. Two best ranked spinners on 8th day pitch should have done better.
 
How many of you really think that this Australian batsman will make 256/9 on rank turner 8 th day pitch.

8th day pitch is non-sense. Aus won't make more than 150 on 8th day pitch, but pitch is not a good one for day 1.
 
Just seen the highlights and it is on par with most of the pitches in Ind for the last 4 years. It's just that bar Monty and Swann in 2011, the rest of the spinners are naff. Ind are playing to their strength.
 
Pitch wasnt as bad as i was expecting, Aussies are just poor in these conditions and gifted wickets away, Am sure India will wrack up runs in 1st inns on this surface.
 
8th day pitch is non-sense. Aus won't make more than 150 on 8th day pitch, but pitch is not a good one for day 1.
May be but I will wait for match to finish, I remember last time pper and other made the same debate about Chennai pitch( they claimed that pitch was made , not suitable for cricket) , where Australia ended up making 400 and India 600 in first innings
 
Thats my point, Ind just have better spinners and as they showed against Eng, they know how to take wickets in these conditions.

Bowlers performing or not performing does not change the nature of the pitch. The bounce and turn on offer is there regardless. This pitch is not comparable to any of the pitches England played on, they were significantly flatter.
 
Over number 1 - Warne comments about the pitch saying he was surprised.
Over number 2 - Repeats
Over number 4 - 8th day pitch comment and dry comment.
A few overs down the line - Pitch is so dry and turning square but renshaw and warner played a beauty.

Over number 90 - 0/9 wickets were due to the pitch or misbehaved ball.
Warner - Inside edge. Himself to blame. Standing way outside off
Marsh - Silly shot
Smith - Again out playing a shot and nice bowling by ash
M Marsh - Dead duck, cannot play spin. Missed a straight ball
Handscomb - done by an arm ball. No spin again
Wade - Out to Yadav (a pacer), a tad unlucky
Renshaw - Beautiful piece of off spin bowling by ash. Loop, slight turn, bounce, no way attributed to pitch
Lyon - Missed a straight ball off yadav (pacer)
O Keefe - Freak catch by saha (pacer)


Before others say, SA were 12/5 at Nagpur on a disgraceful pitch but this pitch has nowhere been near that. All this talk by Aussies is a way to get anticipatory bail in case they crumble. I am disappointed tbh. Wonder if india can complain about the bounce in aus pitches saying, not good for cricket!
 
As bad as the pitch looks, India will score around 400 on this pitch and beat Australia easily. That would be my prediction. I have seen this movie so many times when the visiting teams struggle to bat on an Indian pitch and complains of how bad the pitch is. In the same pitch, India will put up around 400 or more and then go on to beat the visiting side easily. My gut feeling will be a repeat of the same movie.
 
What really amuse me, is how come a dud like starc gets a fifty against best two spinners in the world on a supposedly 8th day pitch. :))

Best player of spin in Australia, I take it.
 
What really amuse me, is how come a dud like starc gets a fifty against best two spinners in the world on a supposedly 8th day pitch. :))

Best player of spin in Australia, I take it.

Or maybe those "best spinners" aren't that great once a batsman shows some grit
 
What really amuse me, is how come a dud like starc gets a fifty against best two spinners in the world on a supposedly 8th day pitch. :))

Best player of spin in Australia, I take it.

Lower order batsman counterattacking in difficult conditions by swinging at everything. Never seen that before.
 
Bowlers performing or not performing does not change the nature of the pitch. The bounce and turn on offer is there regardless. This pitch is not comparable to any of the pitches England played on, they were significantly flatter.

The bits i saw, it wasn't that bad, Aussies were just poor.
 
Its about consistency in threat.

If the pitch had behaved the same way it was threatening to behave pre lunch, it would be a different ball game.

Pre-lunch had some deliveries which had serious turn and bounce where the ball missed the bat by a mile. Woof kind of stuff.

But that wasn't always there. Things died down and became more sedate later on.

If that turn and bounce was there, the lower order lefties would have been taken to task a long time back.

To put it in perspective, Warner got 3 beatens in a particular over yet Hazlewood was defending the balls with ease.
 
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8 day pitch is an exaggeration. India is going to score 400+ on the same pitch and win this match.

Like always, Smith is going to fail on a non-flat track.
 
Or maybe those "best spinners" aren't that great once a batsman shows some grit
Come on! This is a raging rank Turner we are talking about. On such pitches nobody like harmer and co. destroyed the so called best players of spin. Surely, current best ranked ICC bowlers would do better against tail enders hailing from supposedly worst team against spin bowling.

Lower order batsman counterattacking in difficult conditions by swinging at everything. Never seen that before.

Any fifth day pitch with uneven bounce makes it hard to even connect the ball and this is 8th day pitch we are talking about where tail enders shouldn't even come into picture. Find another excuse.
 
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With so much hoopla about pitches , People forget that at the end of the day Both teams bat on the SAME PITCH. I am quite confused as to why a pitch being a certain "Way" is seen to be beneficial or whatever it is. Each team bats on the same wicket - If it's bad for one , it would be bad for the other - If it's good for one , it's good for the other. For example - Any visiting team touring the subcontinent knows that there would be turning pitch - There are no hidden surprises - The team should be selected according to the conditions , it's quite simple. If it's a turner - If Australia still had Warne and McGill playing for them , It would be a even competition - The concern isn't the quality of the pitch but the lack of quality players for all conditions. If WACA is fast and furious , Any team visiting should have quality seamers - if they don't , don't blame the pitch for it.

Renshaw played well and so did Starc - It just shows how you apply yourself makes the difference - not how the pitch is or how much it turns. The pitch within one sessions did not change but Starc outplayed Smith - Does that mean the pitch changed wonders in 2 hours or is Starc a better Batsman than Smith ? Certainly not. It comes down to application and I really wish Starc goes on to score a century to show how it's done when you dig in - doesn't have to be pretty - has to be effective.

It is a results oriented -pitch - more biased for bowler's u say ? Let's say why not - T20 and ODI pitches are fully kept with high scoring matches in mind - Test matches tilted in favor for the bowler's is an equalizing field and I find that to be quite fair. A result oriented pitch - Rank Turner , 3rd day turner , WACA style is better for the game than a 600 + each side no results pitch. It's called a test match for a reason
 
LOL, just looked at the pitch, it is as if after the luggage fiasco, BCCI couldn't afford sweepers to clean up the pitch of some 'natural' debris every where...not sure of the turn and bounce though but looks worse than the village maidan out there!

Looks like a total disgrace (visually) for a day 1 Int'l pitch unless you are a 10 year old glad to play on an empty piece of land and don't care how it looks
 
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Averages 35+ in most countries but hey why bother.

35 in Australia is amazing for a spinner. Won SL a test in South Africa. Carried the whole bowling attack on his back and he's as good as anyone in Asia. Yeah, I'll rate him over Ashwin and Shah.
 
Over number 1 - Warne comments about the pitch saying he was surprised.
Over number 2 - Repeats
Over number 4 - 8th day pitch comment and dry comment.
A few overs down the line - Pitch is so dry and turning square but renshaw and warner played a beauty.

Over number 90 - 0/9 wickets were due to the pitch or misbehaved ball.
Warner - Inside edge. Himself to blame. Standing way outside off
Marsh - Silly shot
Smith - Again out playing a shot and nice bowling by ash
M Marsh - Dead duck, cannot play spin. Missed a straight ball
Handscomb - done by an arm ball. No spin again
Wade - Out to Yadav (a pacer), a tad unlucky
Renshaw - Beautiful piece of off spin bowling by ash. Loop, slight turn, bounce, no way attributed to pitch
Lyon - Missed a straight ball off yadav (pacer)
O Keefe - Freak catch by saha (pacer)


Before others say, SA were 12/5 at Nagpur on a disgraceful pitch but this pitch has nowhere been near that. All this talk by Aussies is a way to get anticipatory bail in case they crumble. I am disappointed tbh. Wonder if india can complain about the bounce in aus pitches saying, not good for cricket!

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Read this. Hardly any of the dismsaals were due to the pitch. Just because a few balls miss the bat doesn't make it a raging turner lol.

If more than 3/4 players were dimissed due to unplayable balls on day 1, I'll say it was a rank turner, maybe later in the game the pitch could detirate . But after seeing these dimisaals I am not willing to call the pitch a rank turner after day 1.

Let's see how it plays up in the next few days.
 
Warne complains too much. It mysteriously happens every time they travel in the subcontinent. Gee I wonder why? :13:
 
Umesh must be superman then to take 4/32 on such a spin friendly pitch. And Mitchell Starc is the new Bradmam making 61 on such a surface.
 
Aussies are showing that it's a spinners paradise. O keefe just bowled in the right areas and got 3 in the over. Indians thought it was flatter than it looked only because Australia batted superbly and Indian spinners didn't bowl a consistent enough length
 
What really amuse me, is how come a dud like starc gets a fifty against best two spinners in the world on a supposedly 8th day pitch. :))

Best player of spin in Australia, I take it.

this is not a computer game

thats how cricket works.

wierd things happen
 
94-3 to 97-7 :))

O Keefe was 0-30 and then picked up 3 wickets in an over.

Rahul threw it away. Ashwin terribly unlucky to get out that way.

Then some bad batting by us.

Fair enough...I can see how this will be perceived.

Let's wait for the 3rd innings and if India loses this game, our spinners and bats didn't do well.

I watched the whole of first day and barring pre lunch, the wicket wasn't all that tough.

Just tuning in for 2nd day.

Interesting game ahead.
 
94-3 to 97-7 :))

O Keefe was 0-30 and then picked up 3 wickets in an over.

Rahul threw it away. Ashwin terribly unlucky to get out that way.

Then some bad batting by us.

Fair enough...I can see how this will be perceived.

Let's wait for the 3rd innings and if India loses this game, our spinners and bats didn't do well.

I watched the whole of first day and barring pre lunch, the wicket wasn't all that tough.

Just tuning in for 2nd day.

Interesting game ahead.

Even if Aus get out 100 all out, win is unlikely.

Wow.

Ridiculous by Jayant and Jaddu.
 
Aussies are showing that it's a spinners paradise. O keefe just bowled in the right areas and got 3 in the over. Indians thought it was flatter than it looked only because Australia batted superbly and Indian spinners didn't bowl a consistent enough length

Of those 3 rahul threw it away with a stupid shot, rahane's was a soft dismissal neither had too much to do with pitch though saha's was a good ball but that had much to do with pitch. India lost this innings when kohli n ChePu got out to starc.
 
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