"It was an act of terrorism": Imran Khan on 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Got to love the way Indian patriots like to use selective quotes then throw in totally unverified stuff like "Pakistanis outside of Pakistan were involved as well" while completely ignoring that the Pakistani minister has said in the same interview that they needed Indian help to press charges against any of their own citizens. Of course he could have just denied everything, but to his credit the Pakistani minister has been transparent and above board, shame we can't say the same about India and their part in this strange case.

 

[slipcatch]

India will come to dialogue without any pre-conditions because that is the only choice they have.

Don’t let the nationalists Hindus on this forum fool anyone.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India doesnot need to talk to Pakistan at all. India doesnot need Pakistan for anything that they need to have a dialogue.

Some salty pakistanis can be delusional about it though.

 

[enkidu_]

India doesnot need to talk to Pakistan at all. India doesnot need Pakistan for anything that they need to have a dialogue.

Some salty pakistanis can be delusional about it though.

so why are Congress and even Hindu nationalist leaders (Vajpayee, Modi) enacting the so called dialogue process, or show readiness to do so, again and again and again, even after so many betrayals/backstabbing (Kargil, etc) ?

India needed a river for Pakistan to have its name, otherwise it would have been "Bharat".

 

[Tusker]

I do for sure. You seem to be ignoring that he was from UP, why's that? You showed me that the article says Ajmal was not from there, right? The point here is that many still believe that he was from the UP otherwise the question would not have been raised in the first place. Your laughing emoticons can not undo that.

Who are these people that still believe in this nonsense and how does that link you posted prove that he actually was a resident of UP? People believe in Santa Clauss too BTW ... sadly reality is quite different.
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] posted a YouTube clip in this thread where Pak govt officials confirmed that Kasab was a Pakistani... is that all a lie according to you?

 

[Greenstorm]

Who are these people that still believe in this nonsense and how does that link you posted prove that he actually was a resident of UP? People believe in Santa Clauss too BTW ... sadly reality is quite different.

[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] posted a YouTube clip in this thread where Pak govt officials confirmed that Kasab was a Pakistani... is that all a lie according to you?

That government official sent his/her confirmation through a text message to an Indian channel . Good luck believing that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That government official sent his/her confirmation through a text message to an Indian channel . Good luck believing that.

So the Reuters link i posted is also lying?

 

[Tusker]

That government official sent his/her confirmation through a text message to an Indian channel . Good luck believing that.

here you go more evidence from different source: https://www.dawn.com/news/337915


From that Article:

In the midst of all this, American news agency APTN quoted Information Minister Sherry Rehman as confirming that Ajmal Kasab in fact was a Pakistani national. The minister later confirmed it to Dawn that “he is Pakistani” and that investigations are ongoing.

Perhaps that is also fake ? Perhaps Nawaz Sharif acknowledging that the attackers came from Pakistan is also fake ? The radio intercepts as the shooting unfolded were also fake ?

Its quite disturbing how even well educated people in this day and age of google will believe in anything to float their boats. It is this damning aspect that tells me that there can be no realistic hope of peace with Pakistan. Just brazen, blatant bullying and rogue mentality driven by extreme hatred for anything to do with India. Shameful to say the least.

 

[cricketjoshila]

so why are Congress and even Hindu nationalist leaders (Vajpayee, Modi) enacting the so called dialogue process, or show readiness to do so, again and again and again, even after so many betrayals/backstabbing (Kargil, etc) ?

India needed a river for Pakistan to have its name, otherwise it would have been "Bharat".

It was only to show a big heart. But all of them learnt their lessons.That the Pakistani state cannot be trusted.

The name in most Indian languages is still Bharat. India is the name given by western civilizations. Indus still flows through a part of India.

 

[Greenstorm]

So the Reuters link i posted is also lying?

Nah, Rehman Malik certainly is.

here you go more evidence from different source: https://www.dawn.com/news/337915


From that Article:




Perhaps that is also fake ? Perhaps Nawaz Sharif acknowledging that the attackers came from Pakistan is also fake ? The radio intercepts as the shooting unfolded were also fake ?

Its quite disturbing how even well educated people in this day and age of google will believe in anything to float their boats. It is this damning aspect that tells me that there can be no realistic hope of peace with Pakistan. Just brazen, blatant bullying and rogue mentality driven by extreme hatred for anything to do with India. Shameful to say the least.

Bro I can't accept a single word from PPP snakes. I mean Hussain Haqqani was in PPP at the time . What kind of information minister 'texts' a foreign(Indian) news channel. Same with Shareef, he gave that statement while he was in trouble but did nothing about it when he was PM. Don't forget it is the same Sharif who held 'secret' meetings with Indians in Murree. Modi was his personal guest. Actually I admire Indian agencies for making our PM working for them .

A fishing vessel from Pakistan travelling hundred of Kilometers of Indian sea, landing in Mumbai and then getting caught(suiciders don't get caught alive) after massacre, money coming from Italy and Spain, linking these attackers with samjhota express, Pakistanis completing their 'investigation' within days(normally takes years), Geo news finding his 'home' within days (never seen that happen with perpetrators of thousands of other attacks in Pakistan), Ministers leaking 'admission' to foreign/local news channels, later India refusing to cooperate with Pakistani investigators. It seems all too convenient.

 

[Tusker]

Nah, Rehman Malik certainly is.


Bro I can't accept a single word from PPP snakes. I mean Hussain Haqqani was in PPP at the time . What kind of information minister 'texts' a foreign(Indian) news channel. Same with Shareef, he gave that statement while he was in trouble but did nothing about it when he was PM. Don't forget it is the same Sharif who held 'secret' meetings with Indians in Murree. Modi was his personal guest. Actually I admire Indian agencies for making our PM working for them .

A fishing vessel from Pakistan travelling hundred of Kilometers of Indian sea, landing in Mumbai and then getting caught(suiciders don't get caught alive) after massacre, money coming from Italy and Spain, linking these attackers with samjhota express, Pakistanis completing their 'investigation' within days(normally takes years), Geo news finding his 'home' within days (never seen that happen with perpetrators of thousands of other attacks in Pakistan), Ministers leaking 'admission' to foreign/local news channels, later India refusing to cooperate with Pakistani investigators. It seems all too convenient.

ahhh so you don't trust your own people and press including the Prime Minister . Ok. So who do you trust then ? Is there anything that you will accept as evidence ?

 

[Greenstorm]

here you go more evidence from different source: https://www.dawn.com/news/337915


From that Article:




Perhaps that is also fake ? Perhaps Nawaz Sharif acknowledging that the attackers came from Pakistan is also fake ? The radio intercepts as the shooting unfolded were also fake ?

Its quite disturbing how even well educated people in this day and age of google will believe in anything to float their boats. It is this damning aspect that tells me that there can be no realistic hope of peace with Pakistan. Just brazen, blatant bullying and rogue mentality driven by extreme hatred for anything to do with India. Shameful to say the least.

As for your try to present India as some peace loving dove and Pakistan as a violent pigeon. Let me make it very clear, I don't want us to have any peace with India, I just want our government and agencies to respond in the same way to what India has been doing over the past 71 years.

 

[Greenstorm]

ahhh so you don't trust your own people and press including the Prime Minister . Ok. So who do you trust then ? Is there anything that you will accept as evidence ?

I can't accept anything said by traitors and puppets just like you don't agree with Sidhu and co.

 

[Tusker]

As for your try to present India as some peace loving dove and Pakistan as a violent pigeon. Let me make it very clear, I don't want us to have any peace with India, I just want our government and agencies to respond in the same way to what India has been doing over the past 71 years.

thanks for confirming the obvious deep rooted hatred. Well done. You want to tell us why most wars in the last 71 yrs were started by Pakistan ?

 

[Tusker]

I can't accept anything said by traitors and puppets just like you don't agree with Sidhu and co.

I never even once said anything about Sidhu other than his cricket. Now can you tell me what evidence you will accept ?

 

[Lonewarrior]

Link: https://www.republicworld.com/world...-big-admission-on-26-11-mumbai-terror-attacks

Samjhota express blast ? what was that?

 

[Greenstorm]

thanks for confirming the obvious deep rooted hatred. Well done. You want to tell us why most wars in the last 71 yrs were started by Pakistan ?

Nah there is no hate. Kohli is my favourite player these days. Its all rational. Yes most wars were started by Pakistan to liberate Kashmir(noble cause but wrong approach) without understanding the wider political consequences. That should tell you the level of intellect of our policy makers. While their Indian counterparts beautifully used the frustration of East Pakistanis, armed them, trained them and created Mukti Bahni. Established Indian presence in Afghanistan in 50s(quite daring I must say) to create Pakhtunistan. Tried to make Jinnahpur out of Karachi. Kulbushans were sent in Pakistan to bomb thousands in bazaars, masjids, schools and here we are discussing one Mumbai attack . You see, India is doing what I would expect from a worthy enemy. Its Pakistan's response to that which concerns me.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I never even once said anything about Sidhu other than his cricket. Now can you tell me what evidence you will accept ?

According to India Hafeez Saeed was the mastermind of the attacks. Please list the evidence for this.


Im sure by now the ISI have informed IK the attacks were an inside job.

 

[enkidu_]

It was only to show a big heart. But all of them learnt their lessons.That the Pakistani state cannot be trusted.

The name in most Indian languages is still Bharat. India is the name given by western civilizations. Indus still flows through a part of India.

Big heart after so many betrayals ? Or big naivety ? How can not only Congress but also Hindu nationalist govts trust a nation based on TNT and anti Hinduism ?

Parts of the Indus are in China (Tibet) as well, where it has its source, but the only country it goes through as a whole is PK, but isn't "India" still how it's officially referenced elsewhere as well ? In PK peoples say "Hindustan" btw which is also more closer to "Bharat" than "India".

 

[Tusker]

According to India Hafeez Saeed was the mastermind of the attacks. Please list the evidence for this.


Im sure by now the ISI have informed IK the attacks were an inside job.

what will you accept as being evidence ?

 

[PakLFC]

Who are these people that still believe in this nonsense and how does that link you posted prove that he actually was a resident of UP? People believe in Santa Clauss too BTW ... sadly reality is quite different.

[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] posted a YouTube clip in this thread where Pak govt officials confirmed that Kasab was a Pakistani... is that all a lie according to you?

As much as some Indian channel saying that Pak terrorists were in Delhi when they were sitting in Lahore!! Many Pak channels dominated by liberals talk nonsense! It's like many Indians saying no surgical strikes happened at all. You're not gonna keep all the cake, no way!

 

[Tusker]

As much as some Indian channel saying that Pak terrorists were in Delhi when they were sitting in Lahore!! Many Pak channels dominated by liberals talk nonsense! It's like many Indians saying no surgical strikes happened at all. You're not gonna keep all the cake, no way!

See Post#88

 

[PakLFC]

See Post#88

Nawaz Sharif was an Indian stooge. We all know that.

 

[Tusker]

Nawaz Sharif was an Indian stooge. We all know that.

lol so your army generals were stupid to let an Indian stooge to run the country for soo many years and
Sherry Rehman is an Indian stooge too ?

 

[PakLFC]

lol so your army generals were stupid to let an Indian stooge to run the country for soo many years and
Sherry Rehman is an Indian stooge too ?

The army at the time had it's hand tied. Sherry is an Indian stooge as well. Just like many Indians equally tell us that Rahul, Navjot and Mani Shankar are Pak stooges.

 

[cricketjoshila]

lol so your army generals were stupid to let an Indian stooge to run the country for soo many years and
Sherry Rehman is an Indian stooge too ?

On one hand we have the official version of the Pak govt,accepting that 26/11 was planned and perpetrated by Pakistanis. OTOH we have some anonymous online pakistanis with some consipracy theories. Its easy to figure out which one is credible.

 

[PakLFC]

On one hand we have the official version of the Pak govt,accepting that 26/11 was planned and perpetrated by Pakistanis. OTOH we have some anonymous online pakistanis with some consipracy theories. Its easy to figure out which one is credible.

Truth is that one should not believe what they see all the time. No one cares about 26/11 no matter how much you scream it will only give you a sore throat! In India everything is Pak's fault, we're used to it! So tell us why was Hemant Karkare killed and Ajmal shouting for "bhagwan?". I don't believe a then PM who invited Modi for personal celebrations in Pak at all. FACT is that we have both Hafiz Saeed and Kulbushan Yadav so can do whatever we want with them. A conspiracy theorist is someone like me who challenges the cooperative media, proud to be one!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Truth is that one should not believe what they see all the time. No one cares about 26/11 no matter how much you scream it will only give you a sore throat! In India everything is Pak's fault, we're used to it! So tell us why was Hemant Karkare killed and Ajmal shouting for "bhagwan?". I don't believe a then PM who invited Modi for personal celebrations in Pak at all. FACT is that we have both Hafiz Saeed and Kulbushan Yadav so can do whatever we want with them. A conspiracy theorist is someone like me who challenges the cooperative media, proud to be one!

It doesnot matter what you believe. You are not the govt of pakistan. The official version of pakistan govt is that pakistanis did 26/11.Thats what matters,not you Consipracy theories on PP doesnot convince anyone.

Fact is that pakistan is considered a perpetrator of terrorism whose PM is going around begging for money to bailout a bankrupt country. Pakistan is on FATF list fir terrorism. Cricket teams refuse to tour Pakistan regularly. Pakistanis are on extreme vetting lists for visas.

Next time check who was PM of Pakistan in 2009.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

It doesnot matter what you believe. You are not the govt of pakistan. The official version of pakistan govt is that pakistanis did 26/11.Thats what matters,not you Consipracy theories on PP doesnot convince anyone.

Fact is that pakistan is considered a perpetrator of terrorism whose PM is going around begging for money to bailout a bankrupt country. Pakistan is on FATF list fir terrorism. Cricket teams refuse to tour Pakistan regularly. Pakistanis are on extreme vetting lists for visas.

Next time check who was PM of Pakistan in 2009.

There IS NO begging. Its high time India realises that. We have bestowed countless favours on KSA and UAE; from training their armies and protecting their princes to providing personnel and equipment for their aviation industries. Our businessmen have huge investments in both UAE and KSA. As far as China is concerned, we've been friends for a long time now and a friend in need is a friend indeed.

FATF blacklist carries no sanction under international law.

Its a slow burn as far as cricket's return to PAK is concerned. Keep that Burnol handy, you'll need it.

Pakistanis are on extreme vetting lists yet we're still able to immigrate to Canada, Australia, Europe etc; and visit many more countries through a visit visa. Unlike India, USA doesn't mean the world to Pakistan

 

[KingKhanWC]

what will you accept as being evidence ?

What have you got? As of yet I've seen little or nothing.

 

[ahsan17]

There IS NO begging. Its high time India realises that. We have bestowed countless favours on KSA and UAE; from training their armies and protecting their princes to providing personnel and equipment for their aviation industries. Our businessmen have huge investments in both UAE and KSA. As far as China is concerned, we've been friends for a long time now and a friend in need is a friend indeed.

Why do we need India to realize that? They will twist things whichever way suits them, in this case "begging".

Pakistanis are on extreme vetting lists yet we're still able to immigrate to Canada, Australia, Europe etc; and visit many more countries through a visit visa. Unlike India, USA doesn't mean the world to Pakistan

That's their contradiction - they say that there are tons of Pakistanis living in Europe, Canada, etc, but "Pakistanis have to go through extreme vetting". LOL.

 

[Tusker]

What have you got? As of yet I've seen little or nothing.

It depends on what you will accept as Evidence. So state your requirements for what you will consider as evidence and what you wont consider as evidence.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There IS NO begging. Its high time India realises that. We have bestowed countless favours on KSA and UAE; from training their armies and protecting their princes to providing personnel and equipment for their aviation industries. Our businessmen have huge investments in both UAE and KSA. As far as China is concerned, we've been friends for a long time now and a friend in need is a friend indeed.

FATF blacklist carries no sanction under international law.

Its a slow burn as far as cricket's return to PAK is concerned. Keep that Burnol handy, you'll need it.

Pakistanis are on extreme vetting lists yet we're still able to immigrate to Canada, Australia, Europe etc; and visit many more countries through a visit visa. Unlike India, USA doesn't mean the world to Pakistan

"Begging" is a highly emotive term for Indians, it derives from the hindi word bheeg, which has dark associations with caste hierarchy, where lower castes are expected to beg for favour from the higher in Indian society traditionally. I think that is why Indians will often try to associate that status with Pakistan regardless of the reality, it is probably a reflex reaction from centuries of being ruled by foreign powers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There IS NO begging. Its high time India realises that. We have bestowed countless favours on KSA and UAE; from training their armies and protecting their princes to providing personnel and equipment for their aviation industries. Our businessmen have huge investments in both UAE and KSA. As far as China is concerned, we've been friends for a long time now and a friend in need is a friend indeed.

FATF blacklist carries no sanction under international law.

Its a slow burn as far as cricket's return to PAK is concerned. Keep that Burnol handy, you'll need it.

Pakistanis are on extreme vetting lists yet we're still able to immigrate to Canada, Australia, Europe etc; and visit many more countries through a visit visa. Unlike India, USA doesn't mean the world to Pakistan

Oh this is totally begging to save pakistan from bankruptcy. No amount of spin is going to change that. Whats that word in urdu? Kashkol? Isnt it?

Blacklist is the status of pakistan as a supporter of terrorism.

Keep that burnol for yourself as teams refusing to tour pakistan showcase your security situation.

Indians are not on extreme vetting lists of any country. Be it USA or any other.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Oh this is totally begging to save pakistan from bankruptcy. No amount of spin is going to change that. Whats that word in urdu? Kashkol? Isnt it?

Blacklist is the status of pakistan as a supporter of terrorism.

Keep that burnol for yourself as teams refusing to tour pakistan showcase your security situation.

Indians are not on extreme vetting lists of any country. Be it USA or any other.

Indians are not on any vetting lists because they know not to step out of line with major world powers, this is something Pakistan has always had issues with. You can compare it with the slavery era where the good slaves were promoted to house duties because they fell in line with the master and did their utmost to please him, whereas the slaves who constantly battled for freedom were kept in the fields and monitored closely for disobedience. Pakistan is definitely the field version and thus on the 'vetting list'.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indians are not on any vetting lists because they know not to step out of line with major world powers, this is something Pakistan has always had issues with. You can compare it with the slavery era where the good slaves were promoted to house duties because they fell in line with the master and did their utmost to please him, whereas the slaves who constantly battled for freedom were kept in the fields and monitored closely for disobedience. Pakistan is definitely the field version and thus on the 'vetting list'.

Indians are not on vetting lists because Indians were not caught harbouring OBL. Indians dont have UN sanctioned terrorists roaming freely and Indians were not caught in terrorist activities in any western country.

Unlike Pakistan which was a american lackey for decades and now a chinese lackey,in between it bends over backwards for the arabs.

India has always maintained its independence from any world power.Add to that the fact that India is a major economy.

You are partly correct. Pakistan is a slave thats getting punished. OTOH since India didnot sold itself for few $$$ and guns, it is not a slave to anyone.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indians are not on vetting lists because Indians were not caught harbouring OBL. Indians dont have UN sanctioned terrorists roaming freely and Indians were not caught in terrorist activities in any western country.

Unlike Pakistan which was a american lackey for decades and now a chinese lackey,in between it bends over backwards for the arabs.

India has always maintained its independence from any world power.Add to that the fact that India is a major economy.

You are partly correct. Pakistan is a slave thats getting punished. OTOH since India didnot sold itself for few $$$ and guns, it is not a slave to anyone.

I hope I didn't hit a nerve there, was only trying to expand on your point about vetting lists of the western superpowers which you yourself used as the yardstick for judgement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I hope I didn't hit a nerve there, was only trying to expand on your point about vetting lists of the western superpowers which you yourself used as the yardstick for judgement.

The same vetting lists which include pakistanis and not Indians. Right? May be pakistani state shouldnot hide or help or sponsor terrorists.

May be if pakistani leaders didnt sell their country for few $$$ and some guns Pakistan would have a better place in the eyes of these countries.No?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The same vetting lists which include pakistanis and not Indians. Right? May be pakistani state shouldnot hide or help or sponsor terrorists.

May be if pakistani leaders didnt sell their country for few $$$ and some guns Pakistan would have a better place in the eyes of these countries.No?

I don't get it, if Pakistan are selling their country for a few $$$ and some guns, then why are the countries who are selling to them not happy and putting them on vetting lists which you consider the holy grail?

 

[Canford Cliffs]

There seems to be some doubt about the origins in Pakistan, this is the issue which is still to be resolved. Pakistanis won't of course accept Indian propaganda without rock solid proof.

1) Kasab himself admitted that he works for Lashkar and was sent on this mission from Pakistan.

2) Kasab's house in the village of Pakistan being identified.

3) Dosiers and call records clearly states that the handlers were based in Pakistan.

4) David Coleman Hadley admitted in US court.

There are enough proofs that Pakistan was involved in Mumbai terror attack. But Pakistani govt continues to deny it like they deny Osama Bin Laden was ever found in Pakistan.

 

[sshakir411]

Same old shi* being discussed years later. The perpetrators of the attack were Pakistani but there is no direct evidence linking those men to the Pakistan Army or ISI. The only thing Indians can rightly say is that Pakistan authorities have done nothing to pin down the planners of the attack. And why should they anyways?

 

[Devilsadvokat]

My two cents - I sorta admire India's restraint after the attack, some other countries might not have held back and use the justification of 'states that give succour to terrorist' to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld.

Funny that of three best known Donalds, we have Rumsfeld, Trump and Duck. Anyone know anyrhing of Donald Duck's views on Islam or Pakistan?

Perhaps the Indian anti-terrorist forces will be better trained and prepared for any future attack.

I say all of this without wishing to diminish the lives that were lost to basically modern day barbarism.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

1) Kasab himself admitted that he works for Lashkar and was sent on this mission from Pakistan.

2) Kasab's house in the village of Pakistan being identified.

3) Dosiers and call records clearly states that the handlers were based in Pakistan.

4) David Coleman Hadley admitted in US court.

There are enough proofs that Pakistan was involved in Mumbai terror attack. But Pakistani govt continues to deny it like they deny Osama Bin Laden was ever found in Pakistan.

Who are Lashkar at the end of the day? Probably no different to the groups set up on the Afghan border being paid by foreign agents to attack Pakistan's interests. Let us not forget that the ultra religious do not believe in the creation of Pakistan, for them the whole of India should be under Islamic rule.

They have attacked the Pakistani state and their institutions far more violently than they have attacked India. Therefore logic would prevail that they are in fact doing a better job for India than they are for Pakistan in destroying Pakistan's reputation which is also a goal for India's govt.

So none of that contradicts any of what you have written there, the question remains, who is sponsoring them?

 

[Varun]

My two cents - I sorta admire India's restraint after the attack, some other countries might not have held back and use the justification of 'states that give succour to terrorist' to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld.

It was restraint out of compulsion, not out of choice. Both India and Pakistan to this day are looking up to big daddy USA to make their next legal moves on this issue. They have zero bite. Zero willpower. And most importantly, zero pride.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It was restraint out of compulsion, not out of choice. Both India and Pakistan to this day are looking up to big daddy USA to make their next legal moves on this issue. They have zero bite. Zero willpower. And most importantly, zero pride.

That is incorrect. If the name of the congress PM was Indira and not MMS, a retaliation would have occured surely.

 

[Markhor]

Imran is right. Don't think it does Pakistanis any favours by claiming it wasn't LeT behind Mumbai attacks. You can accept that fact whilst still acknowledging Kashmir is a human rights crisis that needs resolving.

 

[Varun]

That is incorrect. If the name of the congress PM was Indira and not MMS, a retaliation would have occured surely.

We're not a dictatorship, leave alone a dictatorship that was led by Manmohan frikkin' Singh. If elements within the powers that be wanted to attack Pakistan on the night of 26/11, they would have gone ahead. Fact remains that we didn't - because of Pakistan's belligerence on the military front on that very night, and a friendly nod from big daddy USA that was not forthcoming.

 

[ILcricket]

Same old shi* being discussed years later. The perpetrators of the attack were Pakistani but there is no direct evidence linking those men to the Pakistan Army or ISI. The only thing Indians can rightly say is that Pakistan authorities have done nothing to pin down the planners of the attack. And why should they anyways?

yes i agree [ bold part ] & it suits Pakistan to not do anything about it .Wonder why every poster who is not a Indian barring [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is in denial about it ?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

yes i agree [ bold part ] & it suits Pakistan to not do anything about it .Wonder why every poster who is not a Indian barring [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is in denial about it ?

Because other posters are open minded and require proof linking Pakistan army and ISI. Indians and their well-wishers suspicion can be considered, but that does not mean it can be ratified as judged and sentence passed.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It depends on what you will accept as Evidence. So state your requirements for what you will consider as evidence and what you wont consider as evidence.

lol. Once evidence is shown only then you can consider it. No Indian has ever been able to show anything and I guess you can't either. Never mind.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We're not a dictatorship, leave alone a dictatorship that was led by Manmohan frikkin' Singh. If elements within the powers that be wanted to attack Pakistan on the night of 26/11, they would have gone ahead. Fact remains that we didn't - because of Pakistan's belligerence on the military front on that very night, and a friendly nod from big daddy USA that was not forthcoming.

India isnt dependent on a USA nod. We have carried on our business with or without USA's help.

Who were the ones in power? The Gandhi family? You expect them to do anything for this country? All that italian and her kids want is power and money.

Pakistani belligerence meant little againist an army twice its size and better equipped. Not to mention that we have better resources as well.

The congress simply didnot have it to take a tough decision.

 

[Tusker]

lol. Once evidence is shown only then you can consider it. No Indian has ever been able to show anything and I guess you can't either. Never mind.

so here is a possible scenario ..

Tusker: Here is the evidence ( Link to a news article )
KKWC: LoL hahaaha you call that evidence ... lol sorry I dont consider that as evidence
Tusker: Ok how about this ( Link to another source say govt or UN )
KKWC: LoL hahaaha you call that evidence ... lol sorry I dont consider that as evidence


This is the standard game of blatant, brazen Denial that Pakistanis and their govt plays which does not work anymore once you are forced upfront to list and accept what you will accept as evidence. No surprises at all that you refused to list those.

 

[KingKhanWC]

so here is a possible scenario ..

Tusker: Here is the evidence ( Link to a news article )
KKWC: LoL hahaaha you call that evidence ... lol sorry I dont consider that as evidence
Tusker: Ok how about this ( Link to another source say govt or UN )
KKWC: LoL hahaaha you call that evidence ... lol sorry I dont consider that as evidence


This is the standard game of blatant, brazen Denial that Pakistanis and their govt plays which does not work anymore once you are forced upfront to list and accept what you will accept as evidence. No surprises at all that you refused to list those.

Post the link(s).

 

[Tusker]

Post the link(s).

what sources you will accept as evidence ? Iam not going to bother until you explicitly state what sources and entities whose words you will accept.

just as an example: Will you accept wikipedia as a evidence, will you take ex-govt officials words published in media as evidence ? etc etc.

Define your evidence criteria and we will take it from there.

 

[slipcatch]

Indian talk as if Indian government doesn't support radical groups in other countries and haven't been implicit in attacking nationals of other countries.

You aren't saints, You can't be even if you try to be.

It understandable that most Indian would want to deny it but this is Pakistani forum where Indian narrative does not work.

 

[slipcatch]

what sources you will accept as evidence ? Iam not going to bother until you explicitly state what sources and entities whose words you will accept.

just as an example: Will you accept wikipedia as a evidence, will you take ex-govt officials words published in media as evidence ? etc etc.

Define your evidence criteria and we will take it from there.

post a link or go away.

 

[KingKhanWC]

what sources you will accept as evidence ? Iam not going to bother until you explicitly state what sources and entities whose words you will accept.

just as an example: Will you accept wikipedia as a evidence, will you take ex-govt officials words published in media as evidence ? etc etc.

Define your evidence criteria and we will take it from there.

wiki can be written or edited by anyone and if an Indian simply says so, these are not evidences.

Your government claims he was the mastermind. Based on what? Surely they have evidence linking him to the accused in terms of video, audio or some sort of verified documentation?

Let's be honest, you can't post any evidence because you have no clue. All you can do is post links to news articles where Indians or others based on what Indians believe . Stop wasting my time please.

 

[Tusker]

wiki can be written or edited by anyone and if an Indian simply says so, these are not evidences.

Your government claims he was the mastermind. Based on what? Surely they have evidence linking him to the accused in terms of video, audio or some sort of verified documentation?

Never said I will use these ... they were just for illustration purposes so that you get an idea.

Let's be honest, you can't post any evidence because you have no clue. All you can do is post links to news articles where Indians or others based on what Indians believe . Stop wasting my time please.

translated - you don't want your No.1 jail-break option ( "this is not proof/credible evidence" ) to be yanked away from you ... got it. lol

 

[ILcricket]

Because other posters are open minded and require proof linking Pakistan army and ISI. Indians and their well-wishers suspicion can be considered, but that does not mean it can be ratified as judged and sentence passed.

You did not read the bold part . It clearly says the terrorist were Pakistanis but there is no firm evidence to suggest this was a PA or ISI backed operation .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You did not read the bold part . It clearly says the terrorist were Pakistanis but there is no firm evidence to suggest this was a PA or ISI backed operation .

I did read the bold part, which was merely an affirmation of what Pakistanis bar Mamoon have been saying. I was answering your follow up question.

 

[Mamoon]

yes i agree [ bold part ] & it suits Pakistan to not do anything about it .Wonder why every poster who is not a Indian barring [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is in denial about it ?

Denial is our national sport. Osama was living with his family half a mile away from Pakistan Army base and yet we have the audacity to question why we have no credibility and why the world does not believe in our lies. Deep down everyone is aware of the fact that our intelligence was behind the Mumbai attacks.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Denial is our national sport. Osama was living with his family half a mile away from Pakistan Army base and yet we have the audacity to question why we have no credibility and why the world does not believe in our lies. Deep down everyone is aware of the fact that our intelligence was behind the Mumbai attacks.

Not true, the idea that the Pakistan military or Govt was behind the Mumbai attacks is put forward by some sections in India, but not everyone is willing to accept it without proof even in that country.

 

[slipcatch]

Denial is our national sport. Osama was living with his family half a mile away from Pakistan Army base and yet we have the audacity to question why we have no credibility and why the world does not believe in our lies. Deep down everyone is aware of the fact that our intelligence was behind the Mumbai attacks.

Become a rich country and every mother in the world would believe any lie you would tell.

It has nothing to do with anything else.

so lets not play a child because you aren't.

 

[ILcricket]

Denial is our national sport. Osama was living with his family half a mile away from Pakistan Army base and yet we have the audacity to question why we have no credibility and why the world does not believe in our lies. Deep down everyone is aware of the fact that our intelligence was behind the Mumbai attacks.

i know but then you have self confessed neutrals like Rishwat too pitching in which is rather strange . As you correctly pointed out , OBL nestling near a military compound was the last nail in Pakistan 's Army & ISI 's credibility internationally .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

i know but then you have self confessed neutrals like Rishwat too pitching in which is rather strange . As you correctly pointed out , OBL nestling near a military compound was the last nail in Pakistan 's Army & ISI 's credibility internationally .

We British pride ourselves on our sense of efficiency and ability to see things from a neutral viewpoint, if you bother to read any of the great works of history penned by British authors, you would understand that.

This is why our courts don't adjudicate on suspicions or feelings, but operate entirely on solid and verifiable proof. An Indian pontificating on OBL nestling near a military compound would not be considered proof of official Pakistani complicity in a British law court. Please understand the difference between opinion and fact.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

This is why our courts don't adjudicate on suspicions or feelings, but operate entirely on solid and verifiable proof. An Indian pontificating on OBL nestling near a military compound would not be considered proof of official Pakistani complicity in a British law court. Please understand the difference between opinion and fact.

In actual fact isnt a mile and half from an army camp exactly the place a fugitive from the army would lie low. Hiding in plain sight, last place army would suspect.

I think i learned from his cspture was that Abbotabad was named after an Englishman. Would gave realised earlier, but for the pronounciation.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In actual fact isnt a mile and half from an army camp exactly the place a fugitive from the army would lie low. Hiding in plain sight, last place army would suspect.

I think i learned from his cspture was that Abbotabad was named after an Englishman. Would gave realised earlier, but for the pronounciation.

Indeed. That isn't to say that the Pakistan army weren't aware of OBL being there, but it would be just as much speculation as those from the other side who claim that the Americans made the whole thing up and paid off the Pakistan generals to play along. Conjecture has it's place, but courts rely on solid verifiable facts.

 

[slipcatch]

i know but then you have self confessed neutrals like Rishwat too pitching in which is rather strange . As you correctly pointed out , OBL nestling near a military compound was the last nail in Pakistan 's Army & ISI 's credibility internationally .

really?
IT would be true statement only if you are an Indian.

 

[ILcricket]

We British pride ourselves on our sense of efficiency and ability to see things from a neutral viewpoint, if you bother to read any of the great works of history penned by British authors, you would understand that.

This is why our courts don't adjudicate on suspicions or feelings, but operate entirely on solid and verifiable proof. An Indian pontificating on OBL nestling near a military compound would not be considered proof of official Pakistani complicity in a British law court. Please understand the difference between opinion and fact.

You conveniently missed the OBL with family living near military compound with lost credibility of Pakistan's Army & ISI & went on a tangent . This is what [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] said & i agreed with .

 

[ILcricket]

really?
IT would be true statement only if you are an Indian.

is [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] too a Indian ? I am .

 

[Hitman]

really?
IT would be true statement only if you are an Indian.

So only Indians believe that statement, the rest of the world doesn't? Or could it be that only a few Pakistanis (not even the whole of Pakistan) don't believe the statement, the rest of the world does?

 

[slipcatch]

So only Indians believe that statement, the rest of the world doesn't? Or could it be that only a few Pakistanis (not even the whole of Pakistan) don't believe the statement, the rest of the world does?

OBL nestling near a military compound was the last nail in Pakistan 's Army & ISI 's credibility internationally .

How?

Pakistan's military and ISI is very capable of doing what it wants to in kashmir or Afghanistan.

Out of Pakistan's borders, Pakistan's only concern is to have friendly government to the western side of the border and Kashmir.

Pakistan military and ISI have never ventured out of those two domains.

 

[slipcatch]

is [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] too a Indian ? I am .

Then you can consider it true, but if one were to watch Indian media then ISI is probably the best organization ever to exist.

The person I quoted has a habit of seeking attention by making ridiculous comment.

It is almost as if he wants to be emulate Reham Khan by saying anything that would get him reaction.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Never said I will use these ... they were just for illustration purposes so that you get an idea.



translated - you don't want your No.1 jail-break option ( "this is not proof/credible evidence" ) to be yanked away from you ... got it. lol

You are not posting anything because you have no clue of any evidence. I challenge you to post something, anything.

Denial is our national sport. Osama was living with his family half a mile away from Pakistan Army base and yet we have the audacity to question why we have no credibility and why the world does not believe in our lies. Deep down everyone is aware of the fact that our intelligence was behind the Mumbai attacks.

Facts are known and can be scrutinised because there should be overwhelming evidence to call it a fact. You're describing a feeling, it cant be both.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Facts are known and can be scrutinised because there should be overwhelming evidence to call it a fact

You do make me laugh. If evidence was produced you'd still deny it. Thats because you are too emotionally involved with your own 'facts'. See Evolution.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Denial is our national sport. Osama was living with his family half a mile away from Pakistan Army base and yet we have the audacity to question why we have no credibility and why the world does not believe in our lies. Deep down everyone is aware of the fact that our intelligence was behind the Mumbai attacks.

It could have been a rogue group, maybe three people, doing it for their own reasons, with no endorsment from authority, who set up the dirty dozen, was there 12 of em?

I have read friday prayers at Hafiz Saeed's mosque, he is an _angry_ man.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You do make me laugh. If evidence was produced you'd still deny it. Thats because you are too emotionally involved with your own 'facts'. See Evolution.

You seem more interested in stalking than discussing the topic. What are your views? Do you have any evidence Hafeez Saeed was the mastermind?

 

[ILcricket]

Then you can consider it true, but if one were to watch Indian media then ISI is probably the best organization ever to exist.

The person I quoted has a habit of seeking attention by making ridiculous comment.

It is almost as if he wants to be emulate Reham Khan by saying anything that would get him reaction.

amazed to know most Pakistani's except a few like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] think OBL episode did not hugely affect their Army & ISI's credibility .

 

[IMMY69]

I’ll take all the Indian posters more seriously if they have the courage and integrity to join the other thread and give condolences to innocents who have lost their lives.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

amazed to know most Pakistani's except a few like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] think OBL episode did not hugely affect their Army & ISI's credibility .

No one is denying that the OBL episode affected the credibility of the army and ISI, but that doesn't mean they were involved. It may be in certain nation's interest to push that agenda and the neutral among us will look to sift the facts from the claims.