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Ha ha, you must be joking. You won't see some of them for dust, the collection of /ChinaIsraeli/Arab threads might have to take a hiatus for a week or so.
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"It was an act of terrorism": Imran Khan on 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks
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Ha ha, you must be joking. You won't see some of them for dust, the collection of /ChinaIsraeli/Arab threads might have to take a hiatus for a week or so.
What is not surprising neither amazing to see how India always try to spin the narrative to make themselves relevant regarding almost anything that has to do with Pakistan.
It didn’t hugely affected Pakistan. If it did then provide an example how?
And I challenge you to state your evidence criteria which should be much easier than me producing evidence. Especially when you are damn certain that your country/people did nothing wrong. The fact that you are desperately dragging your feet tells us everything there is to know about the game of denial.
run a poll on any forum & you would be surprised .
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I wrote earlier
"they have evidence linking him to the accused in terms of video, audio or some sort of verified documentation? "
You shouldn't be scared of posting anything, if its rejected it wont alter your belief Im sure.
You think criminals conduct their business under camera and have elaborate well documented plans ? What world do you live in ?
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Let me guess they use telepathic means.
You dont have any evidence at all. Hafeez Saeed had nothing to do with the attacks, it was a inside job.
Now go and waste someone else's time.
and law enforcement agencies in Pakistan have bionic abilities to predict that criminals are planning to attack Mumbai and therefore be ready to catch them red-handed .... yup that makes sense.
As I had correctly predicted you really don't have any intention of accepting any evidence at all.
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lol. You haven't provided any. Because you dont have any.
I guess the US throws money just like that and interpol arrest warrants are issued for no reason: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-17594018
but since Pakistani authorities never received a divine premonition back when Hafiz was planning/recording his activities there is no "evidence". lol
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Well done for finally posting something! Congratulations it's a pivital moment in this thread.
So your evidence is the word of the USA? lol It was the US who made up lies against Saddam too.
Do you Indians have any evidence or not?
Well done for finally posting something! Congratulations it's a pivital moment in this thread.
So your evidence is the word of the USA? lol It was the US who made up lies against Saddam too.
Do you Indians have any evidence or not?
Damn ... I can actually predict the future
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Damn ... I can actually predict the future
Of course when you perform in a circus, you know the audience will laugh.
Seriously, please accept there is NO evidence. Not you or ANY Indian can provide it because it doesn't exist. Joshila bhai has said clearly he cannot state any and because it's only known to the Indian authorities. I might not agree with Joshila bhai but I respect him for dealing with the topic at hand which you dont.
Hafeez Saeed wasn't liked by India because of his views in Kashmir so India made him the guy who was the mastermind. It's a simple as this.
And you are the circus joker that is being laughed at whose comical moves were predicted in advance.
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Washington: Twelve years after the 26/11 Mumbai attacks, the United States has announced a reward of up to USD 5 million for information leading to the arrest or conviction of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba member Sajid Mir for his "role" in the attacks in Mumbai in 2008.
According to an official statement issued by the US Rewards for Justice program, "Sajid Mir, a senior member of the Pakistan-based foreign terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT), is wanted for his involvement in the November 2008 terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India. The Rewards for Justice program is offering a reward of up to USD 5 million for information leading to the arrest or conviction in any country of Sajid Mir for his role in these attacks."
On November 26, 2008, 10 terrorists, trained by the Pakistan-based terrorist organisation LeT, carried out a series of coordinated attacks against multiple targets in Mumbai -- the Taj Mahal Hotel, the Oberoi Hotel, the Leopold Cafe, the Nariman (Chabad) House, and the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus -- killing 166 people.
In these gruesome attacks, nine terrorists were killed and the lone survivor, Ajmal Amir Kasab, was caught and sentenced to death. On November 11, 2012, Kasab was hanged at Yerwada Central Jail in Pune.
"Sajid Mir was LeT's operations manager for the Mumbai attack, playing a leading role in its planning, preparation, and execution. Mir was indicted in the United States District Court, Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division (Chicago, Illinois) on April 21, 2011, and was charged with conspiracy to injure the property of a foreign government; providing material support to terrorists; aiding and abetting the killing of a citizen outside of the US; and the bombing of places of public use. According to the indictment, during the attacks, Mir advised the attackers to kill hostages, set fires, and throw grenades and also sought the release of a hostage in exchange for the release of a captured attacker. A warrant for Mir's arrest was issued on April 22, 2011. In 2019, Mir was added to the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists List," the department said.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-...tack-mastermind-2331283?pfrom=home-topstories
According to an official statement issued by the US Rewards for Justice program, "Sajid Mir, a senior member of the Pakistan-based foreign terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT), is wanted for his involvement in the November 2008 terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India. The Rewards for Justice program is offering a reward of up to USD 5 million for information leading to the arrest or conviction in any country of Sajid Mir for his role in these attacks."
On November 26, 2008, 10 terrorists, trained by the Pakistan-based terrorist organisation LeT, carried out a series of coordinated attacks against multiple targets in Mumbai -- the Taj Mahal Hotel, the Oberoi Hotel, the Leopold Cafe, the Nariman (Chabad) House, and the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus -- killing 166 people.
In these gruesome attacks, nine terrorists were killed and the lone survivor, Ajmal Amir Kasab, was caught and sentenced to death. On November 11, 2012, Kasab was hanged at Yerwada Central Jail in Pune.
"Sajid Mir was LeT's operations manager for the Mumbai attack, playing a leading role in its planning, preparation, and execution. Mir was indicted in the United States District Court, Northern District of Illinois, Eastern Division (Chicago, Illinois) on April 21, 2011, and was charged with conspiracy to injure the property of a foreign government; providing material support to terrorists; aiding and abetting the killing of a citizen outside of the US; and the bombing of places of public use. According to the indictment, during the attacks, Mir advised the attackers to kill hostages, set fires, and throw grenades and also sought the release of a hostage in exchange for the release of a captured attacker. A warrant for Mir's arrest was issued on April 22, 2011. In 2019, Mir was added to the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists List," the department said.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/us-...tack-mastermind-2331283?pfrom=home-topstories
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Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, suspected Mumbai attack leader, jailed in Pakistan
A Pakistan court has sentenced Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, a senior leader of the militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, to five years in prison for terror financing.
Lakhvi has been accused by India and the US of orchestrating the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, in which at least 160 people were killed.
He was sentenced on Friday to three concurrent five-year sentences.
The court found Lakhvi guilty of collecting and dispersing money for terrorist attacks by Lashkar-e-Taiba.
He was arrested on Saturday in Pakistan's Punjab province where he was running a medical dispensary, which the state's counter-terrorism team said he used to collect funds.
The US welcomed Lakhvi's arrest last weekend, calling it "an important step in holding him responsible for his role in supporting terrorism and its financing".
"We will follow his prosecution and sentencing closely and urge that he be held accountable for his involvement in the Mumbai attacks," the US state department said on Twitter.
Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba - "Soldiers of the Pure" - rose to prominence two decades ago after carrying out armed attacks in Indian-administered Kashmir and India.
India alleges that the group was involved in an armed raid on India's parliament in December 2001, which brought India and Pakistan to the brink of war.
Ten gunmen from the group attacked Mumbai in 2008, carrying out assaults on two luxury hotels, a train station, a hospital, a Jewish cultural centre and some other targets in Mumbai.
Lakhvi was quickly named by India as one of the major suspects in the attacks. Indian officials said Lakhvi had spoken to the attackers during their journey and may have been in touch during the attacks. They said he was identified by the sole surviving gunman, who said Lakhvi helped to "indoctrinate all the attackers".
He was arrested in Pakistan, reportedly at a training camp for Lashkar-e-Taiba, on 7 December 2008.
Six years later he hit the headlines again when an anti-terrorism court in Pakistan trying him for the Mumbai killings ordered his release on bail, and in April 2015 he walked free from prison.
During his more than five years in prison, Lakhvi reportedly had special treatment including uninterrupted access to guests, mobile phone use and internet access, keeping him in effective contact with the rank and file of Lashkar-e-Taiba.
Last year, the founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba, Hafiz Saeed, was also sentenced to jail in Pakistan.
Indian officials have accused Pakistan of secretly supporting the militants, and have suggested the verdicts are linked to pressure on Pakistan from the international terrorist financing watchdog, the FATF.
Pakistan is hoping to be removed from the organisation's "grey list" at a meeting in February.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55545519
A Pakistan court has sentenced Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, a senior leader of the militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, to five years in prison for terror financing.
Lakhvi has been accused by India and the US of orchestrating the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, in which at least 160 people were killed.
He was sentenced on Friday to three concurrent five-year sentences.
The court found Lakhvi guilty of collecting and dispersing money for terrorist attacks by Lashkar-e-Taiba.
He was arrested on Saturday in Pakistan's Punjab province where he was running a medical dispensary, which the state's counter-terrorism team said he used to collect funds.
The US welcomed Lakhvi's arrest last weekend, calling it "an important step in holding him responsible for his role in supporting terrorism and its financing".
"We will follow his prosecution and sentencing closely and urge that he be held accountable for his involvement in the Mumbai attacks," the US state department said on Twitter.
Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba - "Soldiers of the Pure" - rose to prominence two decades ago after carrying out armed attacks in Indian-administered Kashmir and India.
India alleges that the group was involved in an armed raid on India's parliament in December 2001, which brought India and Pakistan to the brink of war.
Ten gunmen from the group attacked Mumbai in 2008, carrying out assaults on two luxury hotels, a train station, a hospital, a Jewish cultural centre and some other targets in Mumbai.
Lakhvi was quickly named by India as one of the major suspects in the attacks. Indian officials said Lakhvi had spoken to the attackers during their journey and may have been in touch during the attacks. They said he was identified by the sole surviving gunman, who said Lakhvi helped to "indoctrinate all the attackers".
He was arrested in Pakistan, reportedly at a training camp for Lashkar-e-Taiba, on 7 December 2008.
Six years later he hit the headlines again when an anti-terrorism court in Pakistan trying him for the Mumbai killings ordered his release on bail, and in April 2015 he walked free from prison.
During his more than five years in prison, Lakhvi reportedly had special treatment including uninterrupted access to guests, mobile phone use and internet access, keeping him in effective contact with the rank and file of Lashkar-e-Taiba.
Last year, the founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba, Hafiz Saeed, was also sentenced to jail in Pakistan.
Indian officials have accused Pakistan of secretly supporting the militants, and have suggested the verdicts are linked to pressure on Pakistan from the international terrorist financing watchdog, the FATF.
Pakistan is hoping to be removed from the organisation's "grey list" at a meeting in February.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55545519
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US calls for convicting Let leader Lakhvi for Mumabi attacks
ISLAMABAD: The United States on Saturday welcomed the conviction of Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, one of the alleged founders of the banned Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT), but also said that his crimes go far beyond just ‘financing terrorism’.
Lakhvi was arrested by the Counter-Terrorism Department (CTD) of Punjab from Lahore in connection with running a medical dispensary to collect funds for terrorism financing last week.
ATC-III Judge Ejaz Ahmad Buttar later on Friday handed down five years rigorous imprisonment to the alleged founder of LeT with a fine of Rs100,000 each on three counts.
However, all three sentences will run, concurrently. In default of payment of fine, Lakhvi will undergo an imprisonment of six months each on the three counts.
"We are encouraged by the recent conviction of Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi. However, his crimes go far beyond financing terrorism," US State Department wrote on its official Twitter handle.
“Pakistan should further hold him accountable for his involvement in terrorist attacks, including the Mumbai attacks,” it added.
During the court proceedings, a law officer had argued that evidences about the accused’s involvement in terrorism funding were on record and that the accused was liable to be punished under the relevant law provisions.
The court was informed that Lakhvi was a founding member of the banned LeT, which was proscribed in the country in 2002 due to its involvement in the terrorism, while the United Nation Security Council (UNSC) has also imposed financial restrictions on him.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2279331/us-calls-for-convicting-let-leader-lakhvi-for-mumabi-attacks
ISLAMABAD: The United States on Saturday welcomed the conviction of Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, one of the alleged founders of the banned Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT), but also said that his crimes go far beyond just ‘financing terrorism’.
Lakhvi was arrested by the Counter-Terrorism Department (CTD) of Punjab from Lahore in connection with running a medical dispensary to collect funds for terrorism financing last week.
ATC-III Judge Ejaz Ahmad Buttar later on Friday handed down five years rigorous imprisonment to the alleged founder of LeT with a fine of Rs100,000 each on three counts.
However, all three sentences will run, concurrently. In default of payment of fine, Lakhvi will undergo an imprisonment of six months each on the three counts.
"We are encouraged by the recent conviction of Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi. However, his crimes go far beyond financing terrorism," US State Department wrote on its official Twitter handle.
“Pakistan should further hold him accountable for his involvement in terrorist attacks, including the Mumbai attacks,” it added.
During the court proceedings, a law officer had argued that evidences about the accused’s involvement in terrorism funding were on record and that the accused was liable to be punished under the relevant law provisions.
The court was informed that Lakhvi was a founding member of the banned LeT, which was proscribed in the country in 2002 due to its involvement in the terrorism, while the United Nation Security Council (UNSC) has also imposed financial restrictions on him.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2279331/us-calls-for-convicting-let-leader-lakhvi-for-mumabi-attacks
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Six leaders of the banned Jamaat-ud-Dawah (JuD) terror outfit, founded by Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) chief and 26/11 Mumbai terror attack mastermind Hafiz Saeed, were acquitted by a Pakistan court on Saturday in a terror-financing case. The Lahore high court set aside a trial court's conviction and acquitted the six leaders of the banned outfit, the front organisation for the Lashkar outfit.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...it-the-charges-explained-101636257785236.html
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...it-the-charges-explained-101636257785236.html
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I guess that means they must have been found innocent due to lack of evidence then.
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Another sad anniversary of these attacks.
Venky Prasad speaking some brutal truth. Such a pathetic attempt it was by Congress to label it as hindu terror. Country will never forget and that party will never come back to power.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We owe a lot to these brave policemen , who not only laid down their lives to protect the motherland, but ensured Kasab was caught alive and the vicious plan to label this as a Hindu terror attack was busted . Naman to the heroes. Satyamev Jayate <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MumbaiTerrorAttack?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MumbaiTerrorAttack</a> <a href="https://t.co/YBznnvLzOE">pic.twitter.com/YBznnvLzOE</a></p>— Venkatesh Prasad (@venkateshprasad) <a href="https://twitter.com/venkateshprasad/status/1464140410188558339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We owe a lot to these brave policemen , who not only laid down their lives to protect the motherland, but ensured Kasab was caught alive and the vicious plan to label this as a Hindu terror attack was busted . Naman to the heroes. Satyamev Jayate <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MumbaiTerrorAttack?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MumbaiTerrorAttack</a> <a href="https://t.co/YBznnvLzOE">pic.twitter.com/YBznnvLzOE</a></p>— Venkatesh Prasad (@venkateshprasad) <a href="https://twitter.com/venkateshprasad/status/1464140410188558339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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In the piece, published in The Indian Express, Amitabh wrote about the impact of Indian cricketer Virat Kohli's hug for Pakistan cricketer Mohammad Rizwan during the recent T20 world cup. “For, the stories we tell can often become larger than us, and they can skip lightly across borders, sometimes riding on cricket, sometimes through film. Sometimes they nestle in the warmth of the hug that went viral, that India’s captain Virat Kohli gave to Pakistan’s Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam, after the men in green defeated the men in blue in the first game of the T20 World Cup that concluded in Dubai recently,” he wrote.
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Mumbai: The most wanted 1993 serial blast accused Salim Gazi, a member of the Dawood gang and close aide of Chota Shakeel died on Saturday in Pakistan's Karachi, ANI quoted Mumbai Police sources as saying on Sunday.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On the anniversary of 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks, the nation remembers with gratitude all those we lost. We share the enduring pain of their loved ones and families. Nation pays homage to the security personnel who fought valiantly and made supreme sacrifice in the line of duty.</p>— President of India (@rashtrapatibhvn) <a href="https://twitter.com/rashtrapatibhvn/status/1596332850194042880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 26, 2022</a></blockquote>
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US Court Allows Extradition Of 26/11 Accused Tahawwur Rana To India
India's National Investigation Agency (NIA) is probing into his role in the 26/11 attacks carried out by Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists in 2008.
Imprisoned Pakistani-origin Canadian businessman Tahawwur Rana, who is sought for his involvement in the 2008 Mumbai terror attack, can be extradited to India, a US court in California has ruled.
Judge Jacqueline Chooljian of US District Court in Central District of Los Angeles in the order dated May 16 said that based on the foregoing, the Court concludes that 62-year-old Rana is extraditable for the offences for which extradition has been requested and on which the United States is proceeding.
India's National Investigation Agency (NIA) is probing into his role in the 26/11 attacks carried out by Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists in 2008.
He was arrested in the US on an extradition request by India for his role in these attacks.
The NIA has said that it is ready to initiate proceedings to bring him to India through diplomatic channels.
During the court hearings, federal prosecutors have argued that Rana was aware that his childhood friend Pakistani-American David Coleman Headley was involved with Lashkar-e-Taiba and that by assisting Headley and affording him cover for his activities, he was supporting the terrorist organisation and its associates.
Rana knew of Headley's meetings, what was discussed, and the planning of the attacks, including some of the targets.
The US government asserted that Rana was part of the conspiracy and there is probable cause that he committed the substantive crime of commissioning a terrorist act.
Rana's attorney, on the other hand, opposed the extradition.
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India's National Investigation Agency (NIA) is probing into his role in the 26/11 attacks carried out by Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists in 2008.
Imprisoned Pakistani-origin Canadian businessman Tahawwur Rana, who is sought for his involvement in the 2008 Mumbai terror attack, can be extradited to India, a US court in California has ruled.
Judge Jacqueline Chooljian of US District Court in Central District of Los Angeles in the order dated May 16 said that based on the foregoing, the Court concludes that 62-year-old Rana is extraditable for the offences for which extradition has been requested and on which the United States is proceeding.
India's National Investigation Agency (NIA) is probing into his role in the 26/11 attacks carried out by Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists in 2008.
He was arrested in the US on an extradition request by India for his role in these attacks.
The NIA has said that it is ready to initiate proceedings to bring him to India through diplomatic channels.
During the court hearings, federal prosecutors have argued that Rana was aware that his childhood friend Pakistani-American David Coleman Headley was involved with Lashkar-e-Taiba and that by assisting Headley and affording him cover for his activities, he was supporting the terrorist organisation and its associates.
Rana knew of Headley's meetings, what was discussed, and the planning of the attacks, including some of the targets.
The US government asserted that Rana was part of the conspiracy and there is probable cause that he committed the substantive crime of commissioning a terrorist act.
Rana's attorney, on the other hand, opposed the extradition.
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India today denounced China's move to block a proposal at the UN to designate Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist Sajid Mir, wanted for his involvement in the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks, as a global terrorist.
In a sharply worded statement, India said if the proposal did not get through despite several member states co-sponsoring it, " we have righteous reasons to believe that something is genuinely wrong with the global counter terrorism architecture".
Beijing blocked the proposal that had been moved by the US and co-designated by India to blacklist Sajid Mir under the 1267 Al Qaeda Sanctions Committee of the UN Security Council as a global terrorist and subject him to assets freeze, travel ban and arms embargo.
"If we cannot get established terrorists who have been banned across global landscapes proscribed by the United Nations - for petty geopolitical interests - then we really do NOT have the genuine political will to sincerely fight this challenge of terrorism," India said.
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In a sharply worded statement, India said if the proposal did not get through despite several member states co-sponsoring it, " we have righteous reasons to believe that something is genuinely wrong with the global counter terrorism architecture".
Beijing blocked the proposal that had been moved by the US and co-designated by India to blacklist Sajid Mir under the 1267 Al Qaeda Sanctions Committee of the UN Security Council as a global terrorist and subject him to assets freeze, travel ban and arms embargo.
"If we cannot get established terrorists who have been banned across global landscapes proscribed by the United Nations - for petty geopolitical interests - then we really do NOT have the genuine political will to sincerely fight this challenge of terrorism," India said.
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On this day in 2008, The terrorists laid siege to some of the most prominent places like the Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Terminus, the Oberoi Trident, the Taj Mahal Hotel, Leopold Cafe, Cama Hospital and the Nariman House Jewish community center, now renamed Nariman Light House in India. Today marks the 12th anniversary of these deadly attacks in Mumbai.
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That a westerm catchphrase is being quoted by Bharatis tells us plenty. We westerners will always stand tall amongst the mental midgets of the east. But only a certain section of the east, I would never tar all with the same brush.
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My respect and tribute to everyone who lost their life during the attack. It still hurts like it did when it happened.
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My older brother was in Mumbai during the time of the attacks. He lived far away from the Taj though. He went there however with a friend of his after police declared the operation to be over. He was in Mumbai for just about 9 months though. He took some snaps from his digital camera and sent it to us. He did capture some damaged windows of the Taj.
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It pains me still as it happened yesterday.Handlers never got punished so do barkha dutt after helping the terrorists indirectly with her fanatic reporting showing the victim's hideout place.she never even bothered to apologise the Martyr's family.that home minister who sent the special ops squad from delhi to mumbai in the bus and made them travel for 1 day also never been interrogated.All round it was a criminal negligence from the govt.
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Sad loss of lives in this false flag attack, my thoughts also with the family. Its a shame many think its was planned by Pakistan.
Never forget, the suspect (so called Islamic fighter) called for Bhagwan.
Never forget, the suspect (so called Islamic fighter) called for Bhagwan.
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Imran Khan- Pak ex PM- 26/11 was a terrorist act
Nawaz Sharif- Pak ex Pm 26/11 was a terrorist act originated from Pakistan
Ex Army generals in some of their books- 26/11 was orchestrated in Pakistan.
CIA-FBI designated Pak based groups and some individuals as person of interest for 26/11
What to pick?
Nawaz Sharif- Pak ex Pm 26/11 was a terrorist act originated from Pakistan
Ex Army generals in some of their books- 26/11 was orchestrated in Pakistan.
CIA-FBI designated Pak based groups and some individuals as person of interest for 26/11
What to pick?
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Why bother arguing? What matters is what the world believes. You believe people from the flat earth society and their opinion matters to anyone?
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What would Pakistan gain from such an attack? The Hindutvas gained the most, Modi's rise to power was fuelled by it for sure. If it was planned by Pakistan then they must want a hindutva govt in place as well.
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My post got edited. The point I am making is ex-army chiefs of Pak, their media stalwarts like Hamid Mir and Najam Sethi, their ex PM’s, CIA-FBI-Interpol etc etc all have designated the 26/11 masterminds as terrorists but some of them still repeat the same old choran that 26/11 was done by RsS, Hindus etc.
It’s one thing to provoke and troll but some of these types actually believe this to be true that concerns me more in general for not just India but health of Pakistan and Britain in general too.
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A very sad day for our brothers across the border in India.
Retaliation like this because of Indian state terrorism in Kashmir is still terrorism. The poor people that died didn't deserve such a senseless.
Until human beings can learn to see the other party as equally human as them then the world will continue to face such depravity.
Retaliation like this because of Indian state terrorism in Kashmir is still terrorism. The poor people that died didn't deserve such a senseless.
Until human beings can learn to see the other party as equally human as them then the world will continue to face such depravity.
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Good post. While I don’t agree with the middle portion of it. Kashmiri Pandits were driven out of the valley, most ended up being doctors, professors, teachers etc. they didn’t go back and bomb people who drove them out. So “Indian state” is a reason is a convenient excuse.
Also none of the terrorists died saying they want Kashmir. They put a religious connotation around it like Ghwzwa and what not Arabic-foreign words they can’t even pronounce properly.
Maybe removing religious color and working on actual issues and demands will work better otherwise innocents will keep getting killed or motivated into becoming terrorists.
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They didn't have to go back and bomb them out. They were given homes elsewhere, and the Indian army went to town on Muslim Kashmiris.
It doesn't matter if you kill someone saying Ghazwa, or you kill someone while wearing an army uniform while speaking hinglish.
If your motivation is to harm an innocent for political gain or from a sense of vengeance, then you are a terrorist.
What would have been the Ideal way to resolve that problem in your opinion ? specifically what should the Indian army have done after the Kashmiri Pandit Genocide and exodus?
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One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist is a bs chooran sold in movies.
Army at least in India is called “defense services” not “attack services”.
Those men in uniform collectively (individually people might be of different morals) are given a job to protect the territory no different from the soldiers in Balochistan getting killed everyday. However anyone who kills civilians for some kind of religious caliphate is a terrorist in my book. That bs doesn’t fly in 2024
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The so called terror attack actually helped the hindutva "caliphate" rise to power so you should take some satisfaction that whoever carried that out had the same end goals as yourself.
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If you are implying BJP they were voted to power by people of India. I don’t think “caliphate” works on a voting system. Also 26/11 happened in 2008- 6 after which BJp came to power and 4 yrs before that they were in power. So smack in the middle. Those timelines are factual so can’t be RSS propoganda. Google is your friend but clearly hasn’t been in a while.
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26/11, 9/11, Oct 7th - when dates are given its usually a first tell sign of a false flag. They give dates to events in order to use propaganda again and again, so dates remain in peoples minds. There have been many other bigger attacks but no dates for them, hence not many remember those events. You will have Indians, like Americans and now Israelis asking each other if they recall their location on this date.
Imo after research this was 100% an inside job in order to scare or go to war with Pakistan.
India initially made threats of sending over bombs to Pakistan.....in the end they sent over a thousand page dossier....
Poor move for this false flag , as unlike 911 and Oct 7th, India didnt do anything in retaliation apart from only playing cricket with Pak in ICC tournaments. They could have saved so many lives by simply saying NO.
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I've seen a bunch of idiotic posts from both sides on this forum but this probably takes the cake. Ill-informed, trollish, provocative and hateful - the whole shebang. Congratulations!
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Thankfully they haven't tried to paint the London Bombings as false flag since once again peace loving Pakistanis were involved in it.
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You can call it what you like but doesn't change that these sort of terror attacks did nothing to advance Pakistan's cause, but it certainly helped the BJP. It's self evident, not sure how you would dispute it.
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What did Pakistan have to do with the London bombings?
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I'm not going to respond to sly insinuations. Come out and openly lay the hateful accusations you want to make.
Does it occur to you that LK Advani ( who is a far more conservative "Hindutva" leader than Modi ) lost the elections the very next year in 2009 ? Don't believe me? just google "indian general elections 2009"
Now here is what will happen next in this thread: You will run away from this debate as this basic fact is soo jarring for you that it challenges your hardwired Islamic mentality. And since you are so thoroughly invested in that you will find ways to avoid reconciling with facts(lookup "Cognitive dissonance" ). And one of the easiest ways is to convince yourselves that you won this debate because there is nobody to double check and correct you amongst your buddies. Infact they will help you out with your cognitive dissonance. Simple techniques like dodging, deflecting, relocating the goalpost etc come in very handy on a anonymous forum
This is what happens EVERY friggin single time you debate with me.
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Not sure what the argument is . Did people of India find BJP a better alternative after 26/11 and various radical Islamist attacks, probably.
As far as it advancing Pakistan’s cause. Neither did harboring Osama Bin Laden did but still he was found in Pakistan .
Some of the most dreaded designated terrorist fundamental organizations are in Pakistan based on all powerful intelligence and law and order enforcement lists. All you have to do is go to a legitimate website and get the list. Neither does it further Pakistan’s cause.
What is your argument lol? You have few bullet points that you seem to regurgitate every where without rhyme or reason:
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I agree It has only served to further India's agenda of spreading hatred towards Pakistan.
win win situation for everyone.
poor souls who lost their lives, I hope they weren't another bunch of Pakistani haters
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Naah, Mohammad Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer were Hindus of Indian origin.
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Yet Pakistan remains on friendly terms with almost all of those countries who decide which countries are housing designated terror organisations. Go figure. OBL's capture was timed nicely for an Obama election. Not saying anything untoward about that, just worked out quite nicely as far as timing was concerned.
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So you couldn't answer the question what the London bombings had to do with Pakistan so now are deflecting off into a different direction.
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I didn't make any hateful accusations. Just laid out beneficiaries and losers from said terrorism.
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Yes everyone finds terrorists in Pakistan only to further their polotical mandate be it UsA or India. Great takeaway.
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Inevitable really when the boards are flooded with hindutva bots. This makes internal reflection more difficult and threads become point scoring exercises.
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Bots are programmed to say the same thing over and over again usually with no real logic or depth. Food for thought.
Asking a genuine question - why was this seen as a watershed moment for India-Pakistan relations as opposed to the 2006 Mumbai attacks ?
I know there were more high profile targets in 2008, televised coverage etc, but the 2006 train bombings also killed over 200 people.
I know there were more high profile targets in 2008, televised coverage etc, but the 2006 train bombings also killed over 200 people.
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Mumbai is the financial capital of India. The attack happened smack in the middle of the financial district. While obviously you can’t say one life or one tragedy is more or less than the other but that is the prime reason. Also the places that were attacked like the Taj hotel had international guests which brought more attention. Also usually some terrorist organization planting a bomb somewhere is different from actual terrorists storming and attacking a heart of the city.
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I think it's pent up anger after so many attacks from 2000.Kargil was a myth breaker for new gen for sure.Attacks on Parliament, Akshardham, Mumbai trains and Jaipur bombings killing 200 plus when ipl was going on (still pak players were there) caused a lot new generation to get away from typical leftist aman ki asha agenda.Mumbai attacks are like injury to ur heart which remains forever with all he people running looking scared, it was a ghastly memory for all Indians. terrorists attacking railway station and killing with out any shame in the name of religion is an eraser of any softness. Killing Jews specifically with targets on the bakery was another horror.Taj staff sacrificing their lives for all the guests and ratan looking shell shocked was a painful memory of peaceful religion fanatics true nature. It made a scar on india apart from wkk who lives on appeasement.
This is the animal who was caught by the US and is now rotting in a prison and then there are some low lives here who try to preach us about bigotry and religious tolerance. Madness unlimited.
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People also believe world is flat, lunar landings never happened, 9/11 was a jews conspiracy, etc etc.
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Lol BJP didn't win the next elections.
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More sly insinuations. Atleast the likes of Kingkhan and Hindutva nuts are open and believe in their kooky conspiracy theories.
Let's hear it. What are actually saying?
- Do you believe the 'said' terrorism actually happened and people died?
- Who do you think actually orchestrated 'said' terrorism?
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If you are talking about the Mumbai attack, yes it happened. It might even have been carried out by Pakistanis I don't really have any opinion on that. I think there are disaffected groups everywhere who can be used to advance a purpose by a third party. Usually I think the party that benefits from it has their fingerprints on it.
Obviously I don't know this for certain, but I don't think Pakistan benefitted from it, and I think the BJP did. There are similar attacks being carried out intermittently in Pakistan as well. I don't think Pakistan benefits from those either.
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So essentially you don't have an opinion except acknowledging that people died from an an attack.
Whether the Pakistani government or establishment organised this, I'm not sure either. Perhaps it was a non-state entity but the fact remains that the Pakistani National Security Advisor was fired for acknowledging the attackers' nationality.
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This was after weeks of denials and obfuscation. There's also been zero assistance to help investigate the perpetrators.
As far as benefit is concerned, who can say? Did the BJP benefit 5 years later in the 2014 elections? Does that mean they orchestrated the attack? Alleging that would be as stupid as alleging that Netanyahu is actually the secret mastermind behind Hamas. I'll give you the benefit of assuming you're not as stupid as that and you're just insinuating Indians terrorised themselves with intention to troll.
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Nope. What I have said is that either this was just a random attack carried out by a disaffected individual with some like minded friends - in which case that is really unfortunate but not unheard of.
Or it was a politically motivated attack with more sophisticated backing with unofficial backing from higher authorities. What is the Indian govt position on this? Who do they hold responsible?
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If you stop pretending to be naive, I think you know the answer. The Indian government officially holds the Laskar-e-Taiba as responsible for the attacks but claims they had backing from within Pakistani intelligence agencies.
It's tough to be sure since the Pakistani government whether out of desire to protect collaborators or out of embarassment has refused to conduct an open investigation. They did arrest about 100 members of the organisation but have not provided any reports of their investigation to Indian agencies. That's where it's rested since.
Personally I believe it was primarily conducted by non-state actors within Pakistan without official assistance from Pakistani agencies but since these actors have been unofficial arms of the Pakistani army in the past and have substantial local following, the Pakistani authorities are unable or unwilling to act against the.
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It's not me who has to resort to blanket statements such as conspiracy theories etc so don't know why you get so triggered and resort to petty name calling like "sly" or "pretending to be naive".
I always tend to look at the bigger picture. I am sure down the years the Pakistan govt might have held certain positions which have changed accordingly. I am sure the Indian govt is the same. What I would say is that Pakistan being in the weaker position has never really been in a position to dictate power plays. This is why I ask questions like who benefits from situations like the Mumbai terror attack? Because I can't for the life of me work out how Pakistan does. But I can see it helps the BJP cause no end, and they would have been over the moon with events.
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Why do you assume that Pakistan army operates with logic and reason when 60 years of their documented history have proved otherwise ?
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you know more about the Pakistani army than we who live in Pakistan?
Pakistani army is nothing close to how they are portrayed in Bollywood movies, talk about reality.
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When a country attacks a much bigger country, like when Pakistan did to India in 1965 and 1999, it usually implies that they suffer from delusions of superiority; their actions are clearly not rooted in reality.
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That is just a lazy take which gives Indians an easy cop out. It makes India look weak and helpless apart from anything else.
Yeah that sounds very logical( considering your track record) in the backdrop of Pakistan army losing 4 wars and 50% of the Country after initiating all the wars. Mast logic hai.
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