"It's always been my point of view that we need foreign coaches for the National team": Najam Sethi

[MenInG]

"It's always been my point of view that we need foreign coaches for the National team": Najam Sethi

Najam Sethi in his presser:

"It's always been my point of view that we need foreign coaches for the National team, not former cricket stars; Coaching is a professional business and we do respect our former Cricket stars and I will find ways to give them that respect, to find them employment etc but they are not qualified coaches"

"When I was here before, we had brought in Mickey Arthur and a few other foreign coaches and the results are for all to see, we were number one in Tests, t20s and also won the Champions Trophy"

"The reason for having foreign coaches is that they do not look at friendships/contacts which is our culture, they have qualifications and have dealt with different teams which is why I am in favour of foreign coaches"

 

[MenInG]

So end of Saqlain soon?

 

[Rana]

InshaAllah we can sell one of our JF17 thunders and hire Ricky Ponting for a 10 year contract

 

[Ashmal]

So end of Saqlain soon?

He was supposed to go anyway as he wasn't in favour of extending his contract.

 

[Rana]

So end of Saqlain soon?

The old regime didn’t believe in removing incompetent people. Saqlain could have been allowed to continue for as long as he liked

 

[moghul]

I like this .

Sethi is a very smart guy, experienced and well connected with the government, I only have some doubts over his priorities . Lets hope this time he really wants to do something good for Pak cricket, and not get involved in any ( big ) corruption . I am ready to give him a 2nd chance and hoping for the best.

 

[MenInG]

Have a feeling Mickey will be brought back.

 

[MenInG]

The old regime didn’t believe in removing incompetent people. Saqlain could have been allowed to continue for as long as he liked

Saqlain does have coaching credentials but not Head Coach ones.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Words of wisdom from Sethi sahab!

 

[Rana]

Saqlain does have coaching credentials but not Head Coach ones.

That’s understandable

My point is, Ramiz wasn’t going to sack him if he wasn’t booted out by the new government a couple of days ago.

Looking back at it now, Ramiz made no mark whatsoever to suggest he will do what it takes to make Pakistan mens cricket stronger

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Have a feeling Mickey will be brought back.

Mickey’s got a cushy gig at Derbyshire, however the Pakistan gig is obviously more high profile.

The one thing he’ll have is a more bigger talent pool to work with, relative to his first stint. Not sure if Umar Akmal comes back if Mickey gets the gig. Would be surprised to see Asif Ali get the captaincy either under Mickey.

Commiserations to [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

 

[Rana]

Mickey’s got a cushy gig at Derbyshire, however the Pakistan gig is obviously more high profile.

The one thing he’ll have is a more bigger talent pool to work with, relative to his first stint. Not sure if Umar Akmal comes back if Mickey gets the gig. Would be surprised to see Asif Ali get the captaincy either under Mickey.

Commiserations to [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

You seem traumatised at me for some reason

I didn’t sack Ramiz Raja or this PCB regime brother

Your venting your anger at the wrong man

 

[JibranAnsari]

The country is going towards a chaos , lets hope things get better especially the peace situation is worsening in pakistan along with economic crisis. Lets hope we have a full NZ tour.

 

[Ashmal]

Have a feeling Mickey will be brought back.

That would be a pretty decent outcome for LoIs atleast.

 

[greatest]

Might go for Andy Flower.

 

[greatest]

I know some might not agree but if I was the chairman I will go for Greg Chappell. This guy know how make a team and build mental strength...the hard way.

 

[Rana]

Might go for Andy Flower.

Not if I have anything to do with it
[MENTION=143541]KingOfPakBreakfast[/MENTION]

 

[Amjid Javed]

Saqlain does have coaching credentials but not Head Coach ones.

He has credentials as a cheerleader nothing more then that, hugging players after scoring 30 and 40s in failed run chases aint in no coaching handbook.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This i agree with. With the inherent regional and other bias that people in the subcontinent grow up with its better to have a neutral person to be the coach.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Might go for Andy Flower.

He has too many contracts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan should go for someone like Trevor Bayliss or Jason Gillespie.

 

[PakPremi]

I know some might not agree but if I was the chairman I will go for Greg Chappell. This guy know how make a team and build mental strength...the hard way.

His tenure with India was not a happy one and perhaps not that successful eiher. Pakistan need someone like Andy Flower, Micky Artur was too emotional and not too successful either.

 

[Asif321]

If Mickey comes . Shadab is a sure captain in LOI . Sarfraz will take over test

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Pakistani culture is so engrained in cliques that it is imperative

 

[Forum363]

Interesting thing is, if either Mickey Arthur or Andy Flower become coach and have a say in it, they would prefer Shan Masood as the captain.

Shan has certainly earned his place back in the team but hasn’t yet cemented it.

 

[Rana]

Interesting thing is, if either Mickey Arthur or Andy Flower become coach and have a say in it, they would prefer Shan Masood as the captain.

Shan has certainly earned his place back in the team but hasn’t yet cemented it.

And if it’s Ricky Ponting or Langer, what will happen?

 

[RyanRyan10]

This i agree with. With the inherent regional and other bias that people in the subcontinent grow up with its better to have a neutral person to be the coach.

The Subcontinent cricketers in general have less knowledge about the game than their overseas counterparts.

 

[Markhor]

Now that's talk I like to hear !

Pakistani coaches, especially these 90s era legends, have been a disaster. They don't understand how to formulate gameplans against opposition and rely on individual heroics or qudrat ka nizam.

Sethi is absolutely right about the progress we were making in white ball cricket under Mickey, and I'm sure with time the Test side could've been improved too.

 

[Abid Z]

Id love to see a coach develop a squad of players like England and Australia have. They could field a 2nd 11 in tests and odi’s and give most teams a tough game. At the moment we are struggling with even 11 decent players.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Pakistan should go for someone like Trevor Bayliss or Jason Gillespie.

The Pakistan head coach needs the following capabilities at the very least:

- Engender and embed professionalism in the players, especially those being picked from the domestics.

- Be a father figure for the team, including using the stick to drive standards up, but also an arm around the shoulder for positive encouragement

- technically improve the players at his disposal

- Be a capable and intelligent sounding board for his captain, especially in a tactical context.

- Be fully committed to attacking cricket, rather than just paying lip service to the idea.

Basically, we would love another Bob Woolmer (RIP). Dean Jones was the real purpose built coach as well, but alas…

Even before he ever considered coaching any team, I thought Baz McCullum would be perfect for Pakistan, as he had that aggressive streak and he also really got on with the LQ management as well during his time in the PSL. However, Rob Key made his move first, showing courage in what was a risky appointment at the time.

Names being mentioned include Mickey Arthur and Justin Langer.

Now, I just can’t see Langer accepting the position because Aussies have too many ‘nakhrey’ when it comes to accepting Pakistani gigs. I’m sure Haydos will put in a good word for us but still. He’ll also go on about being away from his family etc. I also think that the man is too intense to work with this particular group of lads. I mean, if seasoned Aussie players found him a bit much, can u imagine how the Pakistani boys will feel? I also think that there’s a question over how much he can actually individually improve the players. I don’t hate the choice but I’m also not thrilled with Langer.

Mickey is a good shout in how familiar he is with the group. I think, if Babar loses the captaincy, and if Imad gets it, we’re going to see a fractured dressing room, especially if Amir and Umar Akmal make a return. The only person who has both the authority and the good relationships to make it work is Mickey. He’ll also, arguably have a stronger talent pool to work with, Vs when he first got the gig in 2016. However, I don’t think he can make this bunch a world beating team and be a revolutionary coach.

I would love to see an out of the box appointment. Someone like an Eoin Morgan (if he has any coaching aspirations and qualifications), would be amazing. He’s the type of figurehead that could truly push this Pakistan team on, however I don’t trust the new regime to think so creatively.

Regarding the two names you mentioned, I think Bayliss is happy with semi retirement, and frankly doesn’t seem to demonstrate the energy needed to deal with the colossal challenge of the Pakistan head coach role.

I don’t know enough about Jason Gillespie to comment either way.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Not if I have anything to do with it

[MENTION=143541]KingOfPakBreakfast[/MENTION]

Thankfully you don’t

Despite your questionable views, we can agree that Andy Flower is not the right fit for this Pakistan team.

However, our reasons widely differ on *why*.

I don’t think Flower is a good choice, because the Pakistan squad, especially in this stage of their evolution, don’t need a data driven taskmaster(albeit a successful coach). They need a more inspirational figure, and Andy is better suited with working with more experienced heads.

You don’t think Flower is a good choice because of his relationship with Rizwan from Multan. That’s it. Not more deeper than that.

Difference.

 

[Rana]

Thankfully you don’t

Despite your questionable views, we can agree that Andy Flower is not the right fit for this Pakistan team.

However, our reasons widely differ on *why*.

I don’t think Flower is a good choice, because the Pakistan squad, especially in this stage of their evolution, don’t need a data driven taskmaster(albeit a successful coach). They need a more inspirational figure, and Andy is better suited with working with more experienced heads.

You don’t think Flower is a good choice because of his relationship with Rizwan from Multan. That’s it. Not more deeper than that.

Difference.

My reason is more than enough

And I’m usually correct

 

[greatest]

His tenure with India was not a happy one and perhaps not that successful eiher. Pakistan need someone like Andy Flower, Micky Artur was too emotional and not too successful either.

He was the one who recommended Dhoni for captaincy and brought in fresh aggressive talent in the Indian team. He was turned into a villain when he stood up against our sub-continent 'player power culture' especially against Sachin and Ganguly and that lead to hatred towards him in the team.

Btw, he has a brilliant coaching mind. I highly recommend reading his book 'Not Out' where he talks excessively on coaching and team selection. For example he mentioned why he picked an 18 year old Steve Waugh over experienced guys like David Hooks, Dirk Welham when Australia were at their lowest point in the mid 80s and how how he succeeded in getting the best out of players when he was coach for South Australia, Australia 'A' in the 90s and India.

 

[Forum363]

And if it’s Ricky Ponting or Langer, what will happen?

Pigs will fly.

Those two will never coach / live in Pakistan. It will be an achievement to get them over to coach a PSL team. No chance for the national team.

 

[moghul]

Saqlain does have coaching credentials but not Head Coach ones.

He was a spin bowling consultant but never been a coach until now , I think.

 

[Plumb]

Najam Sethi in his presser:

"It's always been my point of view that we need foreign coaches for the National team, not former cricket stars; Coaching is a professional business and we do respect our former Cricket stars and I will find ways to give them that respect, to find them employment etc but they are not qualified coaches"

"When I was here before, we had brought in Mickey Arthur and a few other foreign coaches and the results are for all to see, we were number one in Tests, t20s and also won the Champions Trophy"

"The reason for having foreign coaches is that they do not look at friendships/contacts which is our culture, they have qualifications and have dealt with different teams which is why I am in favour of foreign coaches"

translation: "Corruption is in our blood, I am part of it that's how I know "

 

[KingKhanWC]

Sethi is a hypocrite and a liar.

""The reason for having foreign coaches is that they do not look at friendships/contacts which is our culture,"

Imran Khan messed up here, he should have made the PCB an independent body, where no political appointments could ever be posted.

Sethi has a job for 12 months or less, he will be sacked again when PTI take power. The fairground ride of Pakistan cricket will continue.

 

[greatest]

A lot will depend on which teams we are going to play in the coming months/years. If we have lots of useless especially ODI/T20 series against minnows like West Indies, Bangladesh, Ireland etc then Sethi was claim that he has finally turned the tables and rescued Pakistan cricket. His real test will be when we play a series against the top nations especially in SENA. And humiliation against them will be the end of Sethi regime.

 

[muqarrab]

Have a feeling Mickey will be brought back.

We can do much better than him, even though he will be an upgrade on Saqlain.

 

[greatest]

+1 and the circus continues...

I always wonder what is Sethi cricket credentials. He wasn't a cricket journalist. Did he play at university/club/school level? Did he ever commentate on TV/radio? Was he ever employed as a manager of the international or U19 team?

 

[shah_1]

You have to offer top package to hire best coaches.

 

[shah_1]

I always wonder what is Sethi cricket credentials. He wasn't a cricket journalist. Did he play at university/club/school level? Did he ever commentate on TV/radio? Was he ever employed as a manager of the international or U19 team?

He said today that he is not a cricket expert, he will leave it to experts to take cricket decisions.

 

[greatest]

He said today that he is not a cricket expert, he will leave it to experts to take cricket decisions.

He is not an expert but he is selecting his so-called experts.

 

[greatest]

Hire a foreign chairman who has no political backing and interests. Someone like Elon Musk.
Just kidding!

 

[Farah Sohail]

As per news reports, Mickey Arthur has been contacted to take over Head Coach role after NZ series.

 

[Plumb]

Mickey will reject the offer...

 

[KingKhanWC]

I always wonder what is Sethi cricket credentials. He wasn't a cricket journalist. Did he play at university/club/school level? Did he ever commentate on TV/radio? Was he ever employed as a manager of the international or U19 team?

Sethi has communist mindset, as a youth promoted those wanted war with Pakistan esp in Balochistan. He is basically a perfect puppet for the corrupt because he can speak a little bit of English well even though he makes idiotic statements.

Cricket will be used as a tool to promote the imported government winning the elections.

Its just an act of desperation by the Pak government.

As I wrote he will be out of this job in 12 months and ideally should be behind bars. Expect the PCB to lose millions in the months ahead.

 

[PakPremi]

Well it seem Mickey will be back and he wants his own team. I have mixed feelings about him, of course he will be much matter than current coaches but at same time performances under him were just average and he did not do much with SriLanka either.

 

[Savak]

As per news reports, Mickey Arthur has been contacted to take over Head Coach role after NZ series.

Will Mickey Arthur be willing to give up his comfy Derbyshire job?

Arthur was not exactly very successful with Sri Lanka who endured a torrid record under him.

Similarly he made a lot of mistakes in UAE conditions and he generally ran our pacers to the ground. Under his coaching, our players were routinely found wanting against the short pitched bouncers.

He will no doubt demand a higher salary, more powers as coach

 

[sjahmed23]

Right thing to say but I can already see the former cricketers aka sharks circling him and this statement when Pakistan loses it's next series under a foreign coach. It seems like we are hell bent on spinning in circles for eternity rather than learning from our mistakes and growing.

 

[muqarrab]

As per news reports, Mickey Arthur has been contacted to take over Head Coach role after NZ series.

Mickey arthur would be a disaster.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Mickey has a love of love for Pakistan. I think he will be back and the added benefit is that he knows how to navigate the chaos.

 

[da_don]

Mickey was a decent coach.. will be an upgrade over saqlain and misbah waqar

 

[Farah Sohail]

Although Mickey Arthur will be much better than current coaches….but still I would want some new foreign coach for Pakistan.. who brings some fresh ideas for Pak .. rather than someone who has already been with us..

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Najam Sethi in his presser:

"It's always been my point of view that we need foreign coaches for the National team, not former cricket stars; Coaching is a professional business and we do respect our former Cricket stars and I will find ways to give them that respect, to find them employment etc but they are not qualified coaches"

"When I was here before, we had brought in Mickey Arthur and a few other foreign coaches and the results are for all to see, we were number one in Tests, t20s and also won the Champions Trophy"

"The reason for having foreign coaches is that they do not look at friendships/contacts which is our culture, they have qualifications and have dealt with different teams which is why I am in favour of foreign coaches"

How about a Foreign Chief Selector as well. No Bias, no groupings and no more nepotism. Would be a Genius move.

 

[topspin]

Exactly what I wanted to hear from Najam Sethi. This is music to my ears. He may not be a former player like Ramiz Raja but unlike him he's not out of touch with the demands of the modern game.

As I've said before, Pakistani coaches are still stuck in the 90s which is why the PCB needs to hire a competent overseas coach who is somewhat in touch with the modern game. If this means we have to bend over backwards to bring back Mickey Arthur then so be it, as he's levels above any Pakistani coach especially Misbah who is not a qualified coach and nor does he have sufficient experience to fulfil the role.

I knew from the very beginning that Misbah's appointment as Head Coach and Chief Selector was made possible due to the order coming from IK, who is another individual out of touch with the modern game. It was at this point when I started to realise he was no longer fit to lead the country.

 

[topspin]

There was a time when I hated Najam Sethi but I took that back when I realised how things went downhill after he was sacked by IK.

SS has to be given credit for giving Ramiz the chance before doing what was inevitable whereas Najam Sethi was dismissed by IK on political grounds rather than for meritocratic reasons.

 

[topspin]

How about a Foreign Chief Selector as well. No Bias, no groupings and no more nepotism. Would be a Genius move.

Very good shout.

I don't trust any of our ex-players to select the right squads because they're all out of touch with the modern game.

 

[Rana]

Exactly what I wanted to hear from Najam Sethi. This is music to my ears. He may not be a former player like Ramiz Raja but unlike him he's not out of touch with the demands of the modern game.

As I've said before, Pakistani coaches are still stuck in the 90s which is why the PCB needs to hire a competent overseas coach who is somewhat in touch with the modern game. If this means we have to bend over backwards to bring back Mickey Arthur then so be it, as he's levels above any Pakistani coach especially Misbah who is not a qualified coach and nor does he have sufficient experience to fulfil the role.

I knew from the very beginning that Misbah's appointment as Head Coach and Chief Selector was made possible due to the order coming from IK, who is another individual out of touch with the modern game. It was at this point when I started to realise he was no longer fit to lead the country.

Misbah and his sense of direction took our cricket back 30 years

 

[Rana]

Very good shout.

I don't trust any of our ex-players to select the right squads because they're all out of touch with the modern game.

They are all under a great spell of seeing the wrong kind of players for the wrong formats at the moment

They need to snap out of this trance as soon as possible

 

[topspin]

Now that's talk I like to hear !

Pakistani coaches, especially these 90s era legends, have been a disaster. They don't understand how to formulate gameplans against opposition and rely on individual heroics or qudrat ka nizam.

Sethi is absolutely right about the progress we were making in white ball cricket under Mickey, and I'm sure with time the Test side could've been improved too.

This is exactly why I'm thrilled that he's back. I used to hate him after he decided to waste PCB funds on suing BCCI but it was only after he was sacked by IK, I realised how fortunate we were to have him as PCB's chairman. Reminds me of the classic hit call "Don't know what you got (till it's gone)".

 

[SamNJ]

Lets see if Sethi saab can walk the talk.

 

[topspin]

Misbah and his sense of direction took our cricket back 30 years

Honestly it's such a relief that Najam Sethi isn't eyeing up the return of Misbah to fulfil the wet dream of his cheerleaders.

Also, I think Rizwan's days are numbered. I now agree with you that Sarfraz needs to come back. I was heistant to bring him back at first because I felt his wicket keeping skills were inferior but a focused Sarfraz >>> lost Rizwan.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

A delusional thread.
Why would any front line coach want to take the Pakistan gig ?
Considerably less hassle (and probably as much money) in being a franchise coach in one of the multiple leagues around the world.

As coach of Pakistan you are at the mercy of the PCB, the leadership of which oscillates between whichever political party is in power. The fans are unrealistic and there is continued sniping by has been old players.

No frontline, top level international coach will take on the Pakistan national side.

 

[Mamoon]

Mickey was a disaster. A Mickey Mouse coach.

How can anyone want him after the torrid run Pakistan had under him from September 2018 onwards is beyond me.

In addition, he was also disastrous for Sri Lanka & they wasted no time in sacking him.

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan need to work at grass root level , They do not need high profile coach .

I would back someone like Shane Bond / Allan Donald kind bowling coach , and some English county coach as batting coach.

Among big names Pakistan can look at Jayawardhane , Tom Moody , Justin Langar , Naseer Hussain etc .

 

[PakPremi]

Mickey was a disaster. A Mickey Mouse coach.

How can anyone want him after the torrid run Pakistan had under him from September 2018 onwards is beyond me.

In addition, he was also disastrous for Sri Lanka & they wasted no time in sacking him.

Agree.

 

[PakPremi]

A delusional thread.
Why would any front line coach want to take the Pakistan gig ?
Considerably less hassle (and probably as much money) in being a franchise coach in one of the multiple leagues around the world.

As coach of Pakistan you are at the mercy of the PCB, the leadership of which oscillates between whichever political party is in power. The fans are unrealistic and there is continued sniping by has been old players.

No frontline, top level international coach will take on the Pakistan national side.

Mickey would.

 

[Rana]

Mickey was a disaster. A Mickey Mouse coach.

How can anyone want him after the torrid run Pakistan had under him from September 2018 onwards is beyond me.

In addition, he was also disastrous for Sri Lanka & they wasted no time in sacking him.

I think Mickey is the only reputable foreign coach that is available and is within the budget of PCB

Even if PCB wants to break the bank and hire Ponting/Langer or someone of this caliber, these guys most likely are not available and prefer short stints with T20 franchises

 

[Saj]

I mentioned a few names to Sethi - let's see if any of them want the job:

Flower
Langer
Moody
Arthur

 

[Mamoon]

I think Mickey is the only reputable foreign coach that is available and is within the budget of PCB

Even if PCB wants to break the bank and hire Ponting/Langer or someone of this caliber, these guys most likely are not available and prefer short stints with T20 franchises

He is not even reputable anymore. He hasn’t been a wanted man since the disastrous spell with Australia.

He received no better offers which is why he ended up with Pakistan & after getting the sack from Pakistan, he received no better offers which is why he ended up with Sri Lanka & is now working with a County.

He is not wanted by any top team or any IPL franchise. He will readily say yes to working with Pakistan again but I hope Sethi views him as a last option rather than a priority.

 

[Rana]

I mentioned a few names to Sethi - let's see if any of them want the job:

Flower
Langer
Moody
Arthur

Why are you mentioning flower to him? The guy is the SENA Misbah

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Mickey would.

Indeed he probably would, but he is a coach of a middle ranking division 2 county side (Derbyshire) that even Shan Masood has jettisoned for next year.
Mickey is not a top level coach.

Merely having a foreign passport should not be a key criterion — if it is, I’m available…

 

[Rana]

I hope Najam Sethi is senile enough like Ghajini to even know that there is a foreign coach by the name of Andy Flower

This guy is an absolute disaster I tell you!!

 

[PakPremi]

Indeed he probably would, but he is a coach of a middle ranking division 2 county side (Derbyshire) that even Shan Masood has jettisoned for next year.
Mickey is not a top level coach.

Merely having a foreign passport should not be a key criterion — if it is, I’m available…

You are right and I was not impressed with last stint, but as PDM will unashamedly say beggers cannot be choosers, he is the only coach of any reputation that will be willing to work with Pakistan especially in current turmoil environment.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Don’t worry, Flower is way too sensible to want to be Pakistan coach.
He is earning a considerable amount as a franchise coach and has commented in interviews that this affords him more time with his family.
It will be the same with all top coaches — unless you’re asked to coach England, Australia or India why would you possibly give up the riches of franchise cricket (which at the end of the day, no one really cares about — easy money, no pressure).

 

[Farah Sohail]

I mentioned a few names to Sethi - let's see if any of them want the job:

Flower
Langer
Moody
Arthur

Seems like PCB has already contacted Mickey Arthur, and has been asked to informed abt his availability..

So its most probably Mickey Arthur coming back..

Tom Moody would be a better choice…but Mickey is comvenient for all, and slso probably willing to come back

 

[Rana]

Don’t worry, Flower is way too sensible to want to be Pakistan coach.
He is earning a considerable amount as a franchise coach and has commented in interviews that this affords him more time with his family.
It will be the same with all top coaches — unless you’re asked to coach England, Australia or India why would you possibly give up the riches of franchise cricket (which at the end of the day, no one really cares about — easy money, no pressure).

Good

Stay away from us Flower

 

[Savak]

Mickey Arthur has a contract with Derbyshire till 2025. Is he willing to break that for Pakistan especially since the Pakistan job has zero job security and the manner in which his contract was not renewed in 2019?

 

[Rana]

Mickey Arthur has a contract with Derbyshire till 2025. Is he willing to break that for Pakistan especially since the Pakistan job has zero job security and the manner in which his contract was not renewed in 2019?

Iron clad contract

4 year salary package. Must be honoured