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Its time to back the team

FastBowlingAllrounder said:
Granted, but then do you seriously believe that a squad with multiple debutants and changes made on the eve of a WC is also going to succeed?

By your analogy - if the kid needs to re-sit the exam the very next day, you don't sit down and teach them the entire syllabus in 24 hours. You work with what they already know and try to maximize marks to get passing marks.
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Those debutants and changes is what caused us to win the CT 2017, and those changes can't do worse then what we currently have 😂.
 
saqib.rai said:
How many matches has Salman Ali Agha been out of form for? And Fakhar?
It's so ironic that at the end, you speak about giving an EXTENDED RUN to players lol

Bhai do you even read what you write?
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Fakhar has been out of form for an entire LPL? And that transitioned into the afg series and Asia cup?

Fakhar's extended run has lasted since 2017, damag theik hai?
 
Just need to find the right balance. Our bowlers can bat so that's a plus. We bat deep till 9.

Shaheen and even rauf aren't mugs with the bat.

Just need someone better than shadab. Our top 3 is the main issue but batting was never our strength anyway. We are entirely dependent on our bowling. Let's hope they fire us into the KOs and from there it's anyone's game.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
No one is forcing you to back the team.

However, it is hypocritical that if only certain players were included you would support them and then support the team.

Since they are not included, you dont support the team anymore.

That means you don't support Pakistan.

You support the players who make up the Pakistan team.

No two ways about it.
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And there-in lies the issue. This new wave of excitable young kids need to tone it down a bit.

Sarfraz fans don’t like this team.

Amir fans don’t like this team.

Imad fans don’t like this team.

Umar Akmal fans don’t like this team.

Fair enough, you disagree with the squad but now that it has been selected you either back them or you leave us the hell alone so we do not have to read your thousandth post about ‘if Amir was playing, he would pick all eleven Indian wickets’.

These are young kids who don’t really follow cricket much and watch some shady journalists on YT, then come and post that rubbish here for attention seeking.

They also do not want to admit that our talent pool is laughable, and for them Sarfraz, Amir, Imad etc will make this team ‘world-class’.

@Markhor summed it up quite well.
 
Under Babar, they knocked out india twice in 2021 t20 world cup and 2022 asia cup. Made Ind VS pak level playing field which was otherwise complete domination under dhoni. The brand of cricket exuded hardwork, professionalism and unity. I see PAK going to semi final. Its anybodys game on knockout. Had middle order batted better or shaheen not injured, it would have been different result against England in world cup final. Had hassan ali taken the catch, 2021 semis result would have been different. Some conserative captaincy decisions coupled with badluck meant, babar could not cross the final hurdle but his tenure has provided existing career from 2019 to till now.

All the best Pakistan.
-An Indian cricket fan.
 
TheSultan said:
I back Pakistan

I want the best for Pakistan

For the best to happen, Pakistan must lose

So I’m not backing Babar and his besties, but I’m backing Pakistan (long term)
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You are not the first, and you won’t be the last. Pakistan team is not your jaageerdaari, where what you think will bring out the best for the team.

The best thing to do is to support the team now, Naseem’s departure has addled a lot of brains or maybe some of you are delusional enough to think Amir would be better than Naseem?
 
The least we all can do is to support our team with whatever resources they have. There is no use of crying over spilled milk now right. Have some faith and pray that Pakistan do well.
 
Usman Chadda said:
And there-in lies the issue. This new wave of excitable young kids need to tone it down a bit.

Sarfraz fans don’t like this team.

Amir fans don’t like this team.

Imad fans don’t like this team.

Umar Akmal fans don’t like this team.

Fair enough, you disagree with the squad but now that it has been selected you either back them or you leave us the hell alone so we do not have to read your thousandth post about ‘if Amir was playing, he would pick all eleven Indian wickets’.

These are young kids who don’t really follow cricket much and watch some shady journalists on YT, then come and post that rubbish here for attention seeking.

They also do not want to admit that our talent pool is laughable, and for them Sarfraz, Amir, Imad etc will make this team ‘world-class’.

@Markhor summed it up quite well.
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Who is specifically targeting you? And who are you if they are a different type of fan?

It’s the World Cup season

It’s the reality of life

It’s cricket

Stop whinging
 
Out of my 25+ years of watching cricket

This has to be the first time I have realised that the fans need to be motivated to support the team
 
TheSultan said:
I back Pakistan

I want the best for Pakistan

For the best to happen, Pakistan must lose

So I’m not backing Babar and his besties, but I’m backing Pakistan (long term)
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Totally agree

You can’t point a gun at someone’s head and force them to back this
 
Let's see how it goes as Babar has backed the players on his own terms. It means that Babar will be taking the responsibility in case they fail again.
 
Backing Pakistan no matter what. Will be watching Pak vs Aus or Nz in Bengaluru ( Depends which ticket is available closer to the event). We need to admit that this is our best 15 men squad, there is no Akram or Miandad in our domestic who could replace them. Let's stop our individual agendas for now and support your team. Time for all social media armchair experts to stop putting unnecessary pressure on players calling them as 'Parchi', 'Friends 11' and what not.
 
shah9425 said:
Then you should watch sarfraz domestic matches dont watch the wc then ok
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Why should I? He is always dominating in them so it gets boring.

However when Rizwan gets thrown back into domestics for good please enjoy his batting for me
 
TheSultan said:
I back Pakistan

I want the best for Pakistan

For the best to happen, Pakistan must lose

So I’m not backing Babar and his besties, but I’m backing Pakistan (long term)
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Beautiful post. As long as Babar is captain, as long as Sarfraz is kept out unjustly, as long as the drama bazi keeper is still there and as long as Misbah's spirit remains in the dressing room, I a patriot cannot support such filth
 
Usman Chadda said:
And there-in lies the issue. This new wave of excitable young kids need to tone it down a bit.

Sarfraz fans don’t like this team.

Amir fans don’t like this team.

Imad fans don’t like this team.

Umar Akmal fans don’t like this team.

Fair enough, you disagree with the squad but now that it has been selected you either back them or you leave us the hell alone so we do not have to read your thousandth post about ‘if Amir was playing, he would pick all eleven Indian wickets’.

These are young kids who don’t really follow cricket much and watch some shady journalists on YT, then come and post that rubbish here for attention seeking.

They also do not want to admit that our talent pool is laughable, and for them Sarfraz, Amir, Imad etc will make this team ‘world-class’.

@Markhor summed it up quite well.
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I don’t think it’s about “certain players”. Give me something decent.

3 specialist batsmen (We know abdulllah and saud won’t get a game) that are not even in form and all play the same game.

And they all play the same way with only Fakhar when in top form (not now) the differentiator.

Then you give me a list of fake allrounders who are not good at either discipline and have repeatedly failed recently.

And the bowling you bring back a TTF.

You want people to back this.

It’s not about Amir, Imad and co. I’m not even a big fan of Imad and Amir I’ve been vocal doesn’t deserve a place when we have a fully fit line up. Even if not Imad or Amir, think out of the box. Instead we get the perceived “safe options” who are not actually safe, they are predictably mediocre.

You announce a team of failures and you expect everyone to be fine with it?

You guys are just throwing your toys of your pram that some people are not joining you in the delusion that this team has any hope of making the semis let alone win the tournament.
 
Shaheen Shah Afridi in a ICC video:

"None of us have ever been to India except Mohammad Nawaz. We are hoping to have similar conditions in India, like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and the UAE. We are hopeful it would be similar in terms of wickets. Yeah, it will be our first tour [to India], a new experience and a new place. We will do our best to play our best cricket,"
 
CerebralPatriot said:
Why should I? He is always dominating in them so it gets boring.

However when Rizwan gets thrown back into domestics for good please enjoy his batting for me
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Keep crying because Rizwan is here to stay
Unlike that yawning wicketkeeper whose time is over
 
TheSultan said:
I don’t think it’s about “certain players”. Give me something decent.

3 specialist batsmen (We know abdulllah and saud won’t get a game) that are not even in form and all play the same game.

And they all play the same way with only Fakhar when in top form (not now) the differentiator.

Then you give me a list of fake allrounders who are not good at either discipline and have repeatedly failed recently.

And the bowling you bring back a TTF.

You want people to back this.

It’s not about Amir, Imad and co. I’m not even a big fan of Imad and Amir I’ve been vocal doesn’t deserve a place when we have a fully fit line up. Even if not Imad or Amir, think out of the box. Instead we get the perceived “safe options” who are not actually safe, they are predictably mediocre.

You announce a team of failures and you expect everyone to be fine with it?

You guys are just throwing your toys of your pram that some people are not joining you in the delusion that this team has any hope of making the semis let alone win the tournament.
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Abdullah and saud will come good, this is the only part you and I disagree on.

Firstly saud has Massively improved his game since he made that atrocious 50 in odi, and was pretty much a Wall in test. Now he scored a 200 at a low position something babar has yet to do

His ceiling will only continue to improve, the man is a natural when it comes to absolutely bullying spin and smashing it to the boundary, although against fast atm he's pretty much an accumulator but give it time.

Abdullah was playing in a situation where he was just told to open in a pressure game against a side that dismantled India batting line up and under the impression that if he fails he's disposable. He has frequently shown to dominate in psl and adapt to t20 style and he's shown he is far superior to imam in test when it comes to defending, accumulating and accelerating. He hasn't bloomed in odi because our captain is clueless and biased. But even in his odi game he showed the ability to casually come down the crease and hit for a six.

I'm not saying he'll be a jos butler type striker but give him time and he'll become a haris sohail type player. Haris sohail in his first few games was also an accumulator before transitioning to a we'll rounded striker. Just like haris initially, Abdullah was playing for his position, blame the management not him, if he didn't perform and started striking and not accumulating, he'd be given the tayyab tahir treatment and every poster on this forumn would call him a hack 😪.

As I said give it time and hope babar someone loses his captaincy for good.
 
shah9425 said:
Keep crying because Rizwan is here to stay
Unlike that yawning wicketkeeper whose time is over
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Don't worry Sarfraz will be back very soon and when he is you will be grateful. Might not see it now but boy do we need him

Anyway for Rizwan he can captain the KP domestic side until he retires, suits him better
 
CerebralPatriot said:
Don't worry Sarfraz will be back very soon and when he is you will be grateful. Might not see it now but boy do we need him

Anyway for Rizwan he can captain the KP domestic side until he retires, suits him better
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Soon he will be kicked out of test team
Then you can watch him playing Karachi domestic side

Rizwan is here to stay boy
 
Lol at safraz his even more pathetic than Babar pants like a dog after taking a quick second run.
 
Rizwan is currently superior to Sarfraz I agree. But that's not an achievement. Sarfraz is old, unfit and at the end of his rope, and he still managed to replace rizwan in test lol.

2015 sarfraz is superior to rizwan as a batsmen. However as a keeper rizwan is superior I agree
 
Very disappointing how these Rizwan fan boys can’t respect good cricketers. Of course, they are as mature as Rizwan’s ability to play on the off side
 
shah9425 said:
Soon he will be kicked out of test team
Then you can watch him playing Karachi domestic side

Rizwan is here to stay boy
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Sarfraz in his come back series scored 139 runs in the first test (2 innings)

Rizwan in 3 test matches and six innings scored a total of 141 runs and made Anderson look like peak Steyn on the dead pitches of Karachi

The cold hard truth is Rizwan will soon be booted out of both the ODI and T20 team and be relegated as an assistant coach for some second XI domestic team
 
Why are you guys so against rizwan 😂😂. He isn't even the worst of our problems, he's just an okay bat.

Shadab, Nawaz, Agha and chacha are the bigger nepotistic problem along with fakhar poor form.
 
mominsaigol said:
Why are you guys so against rizwan 😂😂. He isn't even the worst of our problems, he's just an okay bat.

Shadab, Nawaz, Agha and chacha are the bigger nepotistic problem along with fakhar poor form.
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He is the reason a great captain was removed

He is the reason why stat padding has become our culture

He is the reason we lost the 22 Asia Cup

He is the reason why Saim Ayub and Azam Khan wont for-fill their potential

He is the reason why we were humiliated by England 3-0

Are the names you all mentioned also part of the problem? Yes of course, however the root of the issue stems from Rizwan being a puppet of Misbah who in turn used him to destroy the foundations of what could have been a world class team
 
CerebralPatriot said:
He is the reason a great captain was removed

He is the reason why stat padding has become our culture

He is the reason we lost the 22 Asia Cup

He is the reason why Saim Ayub and Azam Khan wont for-fill their potential

He is the reason why we were humiliated by England 3-0

Are the names you all mentioned also part of the problem? Yes of course, however the root of the issue stems from Rizwan being a puppet of Misbah who in turn used him to destroy the foundations of what could have been a world class team
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That's false.

A) he isn't the sole reason why sarfraz was removed. Misbah was always looking to remove sarfraz and to permanently remove sarfraz you needed another wicket keeper and that keeper was rizwan. To my Knowledge rizwan was a scapegoat, rizwan is a Part of babar's friendship 11, he wasn't per say involved with the whole misbah dilemma, misbah would have chosen any WK over sarfraz lol, Misbah always disliked sarfraz the sarfraz > Nasir jamshed was a forced change in 2015.

B) that's false, stat padding was always a culture since the 2012 to 2015 days of misbah. The reason it got removed in 2017 was because hafeez, Haris sohail, Malik and imad occupied the middle order with an inform fakhar at the top. Azhar Ali wasn't a stat padder but he was an accumulator and Babar always slowed down for his milestone since his debut. After these guys retired or were kicked out, every player that's replaced them is equally an accumulator. Rizwan isn't selfish, he's limited but he doesn't deliberately slow down for his milestone like babar does.

C) Agree on this part.

D) Azam Khan already bats in the lower order and in the afg series he was brought on, rizwan wasn't even in it, azam got dropped for haris and rightfully so in that series, although I have hated azam before he has proven me wrong in the latest tournaments, still we'll see but azam isn't a better keeper then rizwan or haris, not is he front line atm. Both haris and sarfraz are favoured over him and rightfully so.

Agree on the saim ayub part though, however tbf, blame babar as well, not just rizwan. Babar is more so to blame in this regard then rizwan is.

E) False, England butchered all of us and exposed the problems in the team in general.

Rizwan isn't the sole problem, he's a contributor to the problem but not the entire reason like you're claiming it to be.

Atm fakhar is a much bigger problem due to lack of form, Shadab is the biggest nuisance in the squad along with nawaz. Our middle order is an even bigger concern then the top order, since imam, Babar and rizwan are superior to our middle order atm. Our middle order is a complete and utter joke and is arguably the weakest middle order in the tournament excluding minnows. Even then given how mujeeb and rashid bat, our middle order is the 2nd weakest in the tournament minus nedtherlands.
 
Gullible green tinted fans as always falling so easily for Pakistan’s ranking in T20Is and ODIs. Their delusional Bhangra doesn’t stop there. They start twerking when they see the ranking position of Babar and Rizwan, who according to some are “2 of the best 5 white ball batsmen in the world”. You really couldn’t make it up.

Let’s also not forget how bad Pakistan were in the last WT20. We keep hearing “they made the final”. Yes they made the final because they got an easy group and even then they lost to the mighty Zimbabwe. Other than New Zealand and South Africa they didn’t beat any other decent teams on the way to the final.

There’s no chance Pakistan will make semis with Babar as captain and also due to the atrocious team selection that has been made.

Best to keep expectations at an all-time low this time round. I promise the heartbreak that’s due to come will be easier to handle. Don’t keep your hopes when you know the outcome is inevitable.
 
mominsaigol said:
That's false.

A) he isn't the sole reason why sarfraz was removed. Misbah was always looking to remove sarfraz and to permanently remove sarfraz you needed another wicket keeper and that keeper was rizwan. To my Knowledge rizwan was a scapegoat, rizwan is a Part of babar's friendship 11, he wasn't per say involved with the whole misbah dilemma, misbah would have chosen any WK over sarfraz lol, Misbah always disliked sarfraz the sarfraz > Nasir jamshed was a forced change in 2015.

B) that's false, stat padding was always a culture since the 2012 to 2015 days of misbah. The reason it got removed in 2017 was because hafeez, Haris sohail, Malik and imad occupied the middle order with an inform fakhar at the top. Azhar Ali wasn't a stat padder but he was an accumulator and Babar always slowed down for his milestone since his debut. After these guys retired or were kicked out, every player that's replaced them is equally an accumulator. Rizwan isn't selfish, he's limited but he doesn't deliberately slow down for his milestone like babar does.

C) Agree on this part.

D) Azam Khan already bats in the lower order and in the afg series he was brought on, rizwan wasn't even in it, azam got dropped for haris and rightfully so in that series, although I have hated azam before he has proven me wrong in the latest tournaments, still we'll see but azam isn't a better keeper then rizwan or haris, not is he front line atm. Both haris and sarfraz are favoured over him and rightfully so.

Agree on the saim ayub part though, however tbf, blame babar as well, not just rizwan. Babar is more so to blame in this regard then rizwan is.

E) False, England butchered all of us and exposed the problems in the team in general.

Rizwan isn't the sole problem, he's a contributor to the problem but not the entire reason like you're claiming it to be.

Atm fakhar is a much bigger problem due to lack of form, Shadab is the biggest nuisance in the squad along with nawaz. Our middle order is an even bigger concern then the top order, since imam, Babar and rizwan are superior to our middle order atm. Our middle order is a complete and utter joke and is arguably the weakest middle order in the tournament excluding minnows. Even then given how mujeeb and rashid bat, our middle order is the 2nd weakest in the tournament minus nedtherlands.
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A) You are correct in saying that however it was him who Misbah chose and as such he burdens that responsibility. He could have easily refused to be a pawn in Misbah's scheme, showed character and stand up for Sarfraz however he never did and used Misbah's grudge to build his own persona
B) Again who clearly identify that the stat padding culture was removed from 2017 onward however it was bought back in full flow the moment Rizwan played that fluke innings in New Zeland, making himself a permanent opener and blocking any path for actual openers in the form of Sharjeel, Khurram Manzoor or Fakhar
D) If Rizwan had played that series his performance would have made Azam's look legendary. If Azam was given a longer rope into the NZ series guaranteed he would have outperformed Rizwan both with the bat and gloves. It's a myth that Rizwan is some great gloveman. All he does is tumble around and adds some extra stunts into simple takes thus making it look harder than it is
E) Maybe so however their were movements in the series were Pakistan could have put their noses ahead of the game and each time Rizwan failed to help in any way. Looking at the stats of that series, everyone had scored some sort of vital runs, everyone except Rizwan who would play dot after dot, building pressure and then throw his wicket away while doing some drama
 
The way rizwan manhandled the Lankan bowlers the other day no current Pak batsman can play that innings (maybe Fakhar on his day) even the dreadful Ifty at the other end felt like devilliers.
 
AAli98 said:
The way rizwan manhandled the Lankan bowlers the other day no current Pak batsman can play that innings (maybe Fakhar on his day) even the dreadful Ifty at the other end felt like devilliers.
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He was given a let off by Mendis

Let’s see if he is this lucky in the World Cup
 
CerebralPatriot said:
Sarfraz in his come back series scored 139 runs in the first test (2 innings)

Rizwan in 3 test matches and six innings scored a total of 141 runs and made Anderson look like peak Steyn on the dead pitches of Karachi

The cold hard truth is Rizwan will soon be booted out of both the ODI and T20 team and be relegated as an assistant coach for some second XI domestic team
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I suggest stop day dreaming
Because he is not going anywhere

Although sarfraz time is up he has to go definitely
 
CerebralPatriot said:
A) You are correct in saying that however it was him who Misbah chose and as such he burdens that responsibility. He could have easily refused to be a pawn in Misbah's scheme, showed character and stand up for Sarfraz however he never did and used Misbah's grudge to build his own persona
B) Again who clearly identify that the stat padding culture was removed from 2017 onward however it was bought back in full flow the moment Rizwan played that fluke innings in New Zeland, making himself a permanent opener and blocking any path for actual openers in the form of Sharjeel, Khurram Manzoor or Fakhar
D) If Rizwan had played that series his performance would have made Azam's look legendary. If Azam was given a longer rope into the NZ series guaranteed he would have outperformed Rizwan both with the bat and gloves. It's a myth that Rizwan is some great gloveman. All he does is tumble around and adds some extra stunts into simple takes thus making it look harder than it is
E) Maybe so however their were movements in the series were Pakistan could have put their noses ahead of the game and each time Rizwan failed to help in any way. Looking at the stats of that series, everyone had scored some sort of vital runs, everyone except Rizwan who would play dot after dot, building pressure and then throw his wicket away while doing some drama
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A) Broskie you're digging too deep. He was asked to open, no player in the world would have refused lol, and if you set your bias aside, he's actually done extremely well at opening. Problem with rizwan however is that of he and Babar don't do well then game over because they take to let loose.

Rizwan didn't use to be a problem. He was and still is an okay bat, nothing spectacular but not too bad either. The reason why many have Started to hate him is because he, Shadab, Shaheen and Babar are golden boys where fair selection criteria does not apply to these lads, he's basically held the team hostage due to the influence that babar gave him, but misbah was not the one who gave him that influence.

I've read rizwan's old interviews, he was happy batting anywhere the management asked him including 6 and he didn't xomplain once during those times, however in recent times over the past 2 years he's not developed a superstar ego to the point that he whines if he doesn't get to play in his favourite positions and Management glady gives it to him because he's the golden boy.

Hate rizwan as much as you want, but don't speculate, the misbah thing ain't his fault lol, although the golden boy and current whining nonsense is, he thinks he's too big a player and world class just like how Babar deluded himself to think he's > kohli, and shaheen thinks he's no 1 fast bowler and shadab thinks he's top world class spinners. Basically way in over their heads.

2) sharjeel wasn't ever going to play again because he sold his country, his matter of not getting selected has nothing to do with rizwan and khurram manzoor is a terrible bat lol. He was never up for selection by our selectors. The fakhar thing is babar's fault for pushing fakhar one down. Fakhar use to open with sharjeel, and then after sharjeel got banned, fakhar would either open with babar or Imam but Imam proved to be useless in t20. Babar took fakhar's spot after withbrizwan opening because misbah didn't care about fakhar and wanted sarfraz gone.

Although again in current terms I agree because as it stands rizwan would whine if his precious opening spot is gone.

You're equating past and present fam.

3) Broskie rizwan is a genuine gun keeper, he's actually really good at keeping and has genuinely saved boundaries since his Athelitic abilities have prevented our bowlers accidentally bowling bouncers and those bouncers going onto the boundary over the keepers head.

I've seen azam Khan, dude is a terrible keeper, azam Khan also played before the afg series, and he performed poorly. Dude isn't international standards. Might as well compare with haris. Don't look at framchise cricket, even shaheen smacks and scores at no 3 in franchise. Azam Khan has list a stats of 32 I believe. He ain't an odi player.

4) I have looked up the stats of that series and no one is playing any differently. Babar is still accumulating, rizwan is still acummulating, Imam is still accumulating and vise versa. Rizwan actually plays faster then babar and imam lol.


Broskie hate rizwan if you wish but don't outright lie about him. As I said he's an average bat and has insane ego, that's his issue atm.

Babar, Shadab, Rizwan and shaheen are being given special treatment and their egos are their downfall. Shaheen is ironically the worst of our trio, Rauf and naseem are better, Shaheen is still a good bowler though.

Rizwan is an average bat but he thinks he's the next best thing etc etc.
 
AAli98 said:
The way rizwan manhandled the Lankan bowlers the other day no current Pak batsman can play that innings (maybe Fakhar on his day) even the dreadful Ifty at the other end felt like devilliers.
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He didn't manhandle the bowlers. He played no differently to how he usually plays, which is accumulating, beating up the weak link bowlers and then scoring doubles and triples.

It was a good innings but manhandling is going to too far, manhandling is what Butler does on his day lol.
 
topspin said:
Gullible green tinted fans as always falling so easily for Pakistan’s ranking in T20Is and ODIs. Their delusional Bhangra doesn’t stop there. They start twerking when they see the ranking position of Babar and Rizwan, who according to some are “2 of the best 5 white ball batsmen in the world”. You really couldn’t make it up.

Let’s also not forget how bad Pakistan were in the last WT20. We keep hearing “they made the final”. Yes they made the final because they got an easy group and even then they lost to the mighty Zimbabwe. Other than New Zealand and South Africa they didn’t beat any other decent teams on the way to the final.

There’s no chance Pakistan will make semis with Babar as captain and also due to the atrocious team selection that has been made.

Best to keep expectations at an all-time low this time round. I promise the heartbreak that’s due to come will be easier to handle. Don’t keep your hopes when you know the outcome is inevitable.
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They can possibly make semi's, it'll be difficult though.

Regardless the main issue is the friendship 11 that has formulated.
 
mominsaigol said:
A) Broskie you're digging too deep. He was asked to open, no player in the world would have refused lol, and if you set your bias aside, he's actually done extremely well at opening. Problem with rizwan however is that of he and Babar don't do well then game over because they take to let loose.

Rizwan didn't use to be a problem. He was and still is an okay bat, nothing spectacular but not too bad either. The reason why many have Started to hate him is because he, Shadab, Shaheen and Babar are golden boys where fair selection criteria does not apply to these lads, he's basically held the team hostage due to the influence that babar gave him, but misbah was not the one who gave him that influence.

I've read rizwan's old interviews, he was happy batting anywhere the management asked him including 6 and he didn't xomplain once during those times, however in recent times over the past 2 years he's not developed a superstar ego to the point that he whines if he doesn't get to play in his favourite positions and Management glady gives it to him because he's the golden boy.

Hate rizwan as much as you want, but don't speculate, the misbah thing ain't his fault lol, although the golden boy and current whining nonsense is, he thinks he's too big a player and world class just like how Babar deluded himself to think he's > kohli, and shaheen thinks he's no 1 fast bowler and shadab thinks he's top world class spinners. Basically way in over their heads.

2) sharjeel wasn't ever going to play again because he sold his country, his matter of not getting selected has nothing to do with rizwan and khurram manzoor is a terrible bat lol. He was never up for selection by our selectors. The fakhar thing is babar's fault for pushing fakhar one down. Fakhar use to open with sharjeel, and then after sharjeel got banned, fakhar would either open with babar or Imam but Imam proved to be useless in t20. Babar took fakhar's spot after withbrizwan opening because misbah didn't care about fakhar and wanted sarfraz gone.

Although again in current terms I agree because as it stands rizwan would whine if his precious opening spot is gone.

You're equating past and present fam.

3) Broskie rizwan is a genuine gun keeper, he's actually really good at keeping and has genuinely saved boundaries since his Athelitic abilities have prevented our bowlers accidentally bowling bouncers and those bouncers going onto the boundary over the keepers head.

I've seen azam Khan, dude is a terrible keeper, azam Khan also played before the afg series, and he performed poorly. Dude isn't international standards. Might as well compare with haris. Don't look at framchise cricket, even shaheen smacks and scores at no 3 in franchise. Azam Khan has list a stats of 32 I believe. He ain't an odi player.

4) I have looked up the stats of that series and no one is playing any differently. Babar is still accumulating, rizwan is still acummulating, Imam is still accumulating and vise versa. Rizwan actually plays faster then babar and imam lol.


Broskie hate rizwan if you wish but don't outright lie about him. As I said he's an average bat and has insane ego, that's his issue atm.

Babar, Shadab, Rizwan and shaheen are being given special treatment and their egos are their downfall. Shaheen is ironically the worst of our trio, Rauf and naseem are better, Shaheen is still a good bowler though.

Rizwan is an average bat but he thinks he's the next best thing etc etc.
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You are giving your time to a poster who has picked Danish Aziz in his World Cup XI 😷
 
Whether we like it or not the squad selected this is the team that will represent our nation. We need to back them, support them and pray for their success.

Its a good team just need to get some momentum back.

Win or lose we are with you Team Pakistan 🇵🇰♥️
 
I think the guys are departing for India right now early in the morning.. Some wonderful photos they took at NCA lahore. Guys were looking nice...

I was getting goosebumps looking at the pics. Imam ul haq took a pic with his family.

Its a very big deal seeing your players go for a world cup. Good luck to these guys
 
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You can tell by the smiles that what an honor it is for all these guys to represent pakistan.

I hope corrupt players sulk at the fact that they can never represent Pakistan ever again :)
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Why are you having such a negative perception about them? Let them play a few matches in WC and then you can make a better judgment.

Apart from one poor performance in the Asia Cup their overall performance was quite commendable.
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I don’t understand why there is a need to mention players who have fixed matches, done their time, repented and moved on by @Major

I would appreciate humility or there will always be people to show them the harsh reality
 
We can just simply support the team. That is the least thing we can do as a fan. There is no need to discuss any player whether he is a fixer or not. Just forget te old times and stay hopeful for bright future.
 
BouncerGuy said:
We can just simply support the team. That is the least thing we can do as a fan. There is no need to discuss any player whether he is a fixer or not. Just forget te old times and stay hopeful for bright future.
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Yep, if you keep creating a divide, don’t expect fans to back this team
 
BouncerGuy said:
We can just simply support the team. That is the least thing we can do as a fan. There is no need to discuss any player whether he is a fixer or not. Just forget te old times and stay hopeful for bright future.
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You are correct, but fixers and convicted players must stay away and more so the imbeciles who call for the return of fixers into the team!
 
Technics 1210 said:
You are correct, but fixers and convicted players must stay away and more so the imbeciles who call for the return of fixers into the team!
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I'd rather take match winning fixers over serial match losers who laugh like clowns 24/6 and whose whole career is based on removing some of our finest players
 
CerebralPatriot said:
I'd rather take match winning fixers over serial match losers who laugh like clowns 24/6 and whose whole career is based on removing some of our finest players
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Thats because you were very young or probably did not watch cricket back in 2010.

Many of the posters around here in 2010 remember clearly the embarrassment that Pakistan had to face.

First of all, let me remind you that when the 2010 England series squad was announced, many people said this was the worst ever squad announced. Pakistan under Salman Butt was soo terrible as a batting unit that they were getting out for less than 200 scores. Pakistan was not even able to bat for a full day, i think it once only once in 8 innings that they somehow manage to bat the whole day.
Now when this was happening, yes there was criticism, but there was no one said this that Pakistan should be banned or not be allowed to tour to England etc. It was accepted that ok bad performances is part of the game.

Few weeks later, when Amir, Asif and Salman Butt were caught fixing around, a whole havoc broke. The other day one poster @saqib.rai was saying that ohh there is a big difference between match fixing and spot fixing. No there isnt. A person can match fix a game in favor of their own team winning, that would still be a fixing. The issue with fixing (whether match or spot), is that once it take places, it brings the whole credibility of the game in doubt. Credibility matters. There is a thread on india vs sri lanka game where many indian posters were not happy, and the reason was they did not like that the creadibility of the game was in doubt, because it brings shame for the whole nation.

While Pakistanis are ok with insulting their nation and doubting its credibility, our so called Pakistani fans dont care and are so used to insulting their own country and its representatives.

Anyways, when the spot fixing event took place, and Amir, Asif and Butt were caught with their pants down, there were calls from prominent cricketers that Pakistan cricket should be banned. Indian experts were calling out for our banning. Insults were being thrown, players like Jonathan Trott was picking up fights and insulting us aswell.

I as a fan used to wake up every day early in the morning to watch the first session. Now looking back i feel so stupid, because Amir had ruined tha credibility by trying to make extra bucks for bowling no balls on purpose. It brings a doubt for me that the game i woke up early to watch, or some crazy fan that took off from work or school, finds out that the games whole credibility was in doubt and it could be that they were playing to lose.

So before coming here and saying like a child that, "Oh i would take match fixers over honest players that end up losing", remember those dark days. When such an event God forbids happens again, than you would know the shame it brings. How Indian fans and experts will take that opportunity to insult and ask for banning of Pakistan cricket. Even New Zealand beer companies were using us in their advertisements. Thats how embarrassing spot fixing and match fixing is.

This is why i was very unhappy with @Markhor when he wanted amir to be selected. He was there. He saw what happened the day the NOTW report came out. I will never forget that night.
 
Major said:
Thats because you were very young or probably did not watch cricket back in 2010.

Many of the posters around here in 2010 remember clearly the embarrassment that Pakistan had to face.

First of all, let me remind you that when the 2010 England series squad was announced, many people said this was the worst ever squad announced. Pakistan under Salman Butt was soo terrible as a batting unit that they were getting out for less than 200 scores. Pakistan was not even able to bat for a full day, i think it once only once in 8 innings that they somehow manage to bat the whole day.
Now when this was happening, yes there was criticism, but there was no one said this that Pakistan should be banned or not be allowed to tour to England etc. It was accepted that ok bad performances is part of the game.

Few weeks later, when Amir, Asif and Salman Butt were caught fixing around, a whole havoc broke. The other day one poster @saqib.rai was saying that ohh there is a big difference between match fixing and spot fixing. No there isnt. A person can match fix a game in favor of their own team winning, that would still be a fixing. The issue with fixing (whether match or spot), is that once it take places, it brings the whole credibility of the game in doubt. Credibility matters. There is a thread on india vs sri lanka game where many indian posters were not happy, and the reason was they did not like that the creadibility of the game was in doubt, because it brings shame for the whole nation.

While Pakistanis are ok with insulting their nation and doubting its credibility, our so called Pakistani fans dont care and are so used to insulting their own country and its representatives.

Anyways, when the spot fixing event took place, and Amir, Asif and Butt were caught with their pants down, there were calls from prominent cricketers that Pakistan cricket should be banned. Indian experts were calling out for our banning. Insults were being thrown, players like Jonathan Trott was picking up fights and insulting us aswell.

I as a fan used to wake up every day early in the morning to watch the first session. Now looking back i feel so stupid, because Amir had ruined tha credibility by trying to make extra bucks for bowling no balls on purpose. It brings a doubt for me that the game i woke up early to watch, or some crazy fan that took off from work or school, finds out that the games whole credibility was in doubt and it could be that they were playing to lose.

So before coming here and saying like a child that, "Oh i would take match fixers over honest players that end up losing", remember those dark days. When such an event God forbids happens again, than you would know the shame it brings. How Indian fans and experts will take that opportunity to insult and ask for banning of Pakistan cricket. Even New Zealand beer companies were using us in their advertisements. Thats how embarrassing spot fixing and match fixing is.

This is why i was very unhappy with @Markhor when he wanted amir to be selected. He was there. He saw what happened the day the NOTW report came out. I will never forget that night.
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Why are you only unhappy with Markhor? Are you implying others that want Amir in the team are low class??
 
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I agree with major. Match fixers shouldn't be allowed in the team period.

For me only amir is the exception. Amir was forced to fix because he was 17 years old, he was a kid who just made it into the team, but his captain threatened him saying that if he didn't do what he said, his career would be finished for good.

Not only was amir new to the team so he didn't even have any credibility, he would have to prove that butt asked him to fix, and if he didn't have proof, butt would simply deny all his claims and Management would remove amir because they would believe he is lying, best case scenario he's in the 15 but would always get benched, worst case scenrio his international career would be over. He was young, underage, and simply had no credibility to back up any claims, so he was forced, and had no choice. If I was amir I'd probably do the same.

The fact that amir immediately confessed as well, amir may have attitude but he didn't deserve jail time or anything that happened to him, it was unfair.

Sharjeel, Khalid lateef, Butt, Danish kaneria, nasir jamshed. These guys willingly match fixed/Spot fixed. They were adults and no one forced them to do anything. They outright did so willingly with full intent as to what they were doing. They sold their country plain and simple.

In the case of asif, he had seniority and could rat butt out but money and greed took over in his case so he's also despicable.

Also about the whole, they served their penance, bhai you can't be sure of that. Even if they never match fix again, it'll be because their afraid of consequences, Theirs always gonna be that idea in the back of everyone's minds that these guys just aren't trustworthy irrespective of the time that's passed.
 
Major said:
Thats because you were very young or probably did not watch cricket back in 2010.

Many of the posters around here in 2010 remember clearly the embarrassment that Pakistan had to face.

First of all, let me remind you that when the 2010 England series squad was announced, many people said this was the worst ever squad announced. Pakistan under Salman Butt was soo terrible as a batting unit that they were getting out for less than 200 scores. Pakistan was not even able to bat for a full day, i think it once only once in 8 innings that they somehow manage to bat the whole day.
Now when this was happening, yes there was criticism, but there was no one said this that Pakistan should be banned or not be allowed to tour to England etc. It was accepted that ok bad performances is part of the game.

Few weeks later, when Amir, Asif and Salman Butt were caught fixing around, a whole havoc broke. The other day one poster @saqib.rai was saying that ohh there is a big difference between match fixing and spot fixing. No there isnt. A person can match fix a game in favor of their own team winning, that would still be a fixing. The issue with fixing (whether match or spot), is that once it take places, it brings the whole credibility of the game in doubt. Credibility matters. There is a thread on india vs sri lanka game where many indian posters were not happy, and the reason was they did not like that the creadibility of the game was in doubt, because it brings shame for the whole nation.

While Pakistanis are ok with insulting their nation and doubting its credibility, our so called Pakistani fans dont care and are so used to insulting their own country and its representatives.

Anyways, when the spot fixing event took place, and Amir, Asif and Butt were caught with their pants down, there were calls from prominent cricketers that Pakistan cricket should be banned. Indian experts were calling out for our banning. Insults were being thrown, players like Jonathan Trott was picking up fights and insulting us aswell.

I as a fan used to wake up every day early in the morning to watch the first session. Now looking back i feel so stupid, because Amir had ruined tha credibility by trying to make extra bucks for bowling no balls on purpose. It brings a doubt for me that the game i woke up early to watch, or some crazy fan that took off from work or school, finds out that the games whole credibility was in doubt and it could be that they were playing to lose.

So before coming here and saying like a child that, "Oh i would take match fixers over honest players that end up losing", remember those dark days. When such an event God forbids happens again, than you would know the shame it brings. How Indian fans and experts will take that opportunity to insult and ask for banning of Pakistan cricket. Even New Zealand beer companies were using us in their advertisements. Thats how embarrassing spot fixing and match fixing is.

This is why i was very unhappy with @Markhor when he wanted amir to be selected. He was there. He saw what happened the day the NOTW report came out. I will never forget that night.
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The match in which Amir and Asif bowled the no-balls, Pakistan WON that match. That is what ultimately matters.

Credibility, credibility kar rahe hoo. Where does this credibility go when sifarshis are made part of the team and even made captain? And as a result we end up losing important ICC events?

Amir and Asif have completed their sentence of 5 long years- dont have to remind them everytime of what they did in the past.

There are degrees of a crime and punishment is given accordingly. You cannot get a life imprisonment for beating up someone but will get 6 months or a year in jail in the UK.

ICC knows this. That is why Amir and Asif got 5 year bans and were NOT banned for life. IF THEY HAD DONE MATCH FIXING, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED FOR LIFE.

In my opinion, if they had done match fixing, they should have been shot in the head. Literally. That is how bad a menace match fixing is.

I remember waking up early to watch Hong Kong Super Sixes in 2010. Even if Australia hit all the balls of the last over for maximum (maximum was 8), Pakistan would have still won. Imran Nazir started bowling wides and no balls and also conceding maximums. Shoaib Malik was the captain. Pakistan lost.

Shoaib Malik was being investigated by the ICC and that was he reason he was not part of the 2011 World Cup squad. However, it's very very hard to find proof. These bookies are very smart.

But the match in which Amir and Asif did spot-fixing, WE WON. That is what ultimately matters.
 
With that being said I do hate the way pakistan and pcb go about things.

When I look at ecb, I feel total envy. Every poster on this forumn just uses excuses by saying theirs lack of talent or just saying other nonsense.

You all are delusional beyond belief. Talent isn't something that's naturally achieved, it's built over time. Are their players who are not talented? Yes shan masood being an example same with asad shafiq,

But genuinely talented players are groomed to become world class, the way you to groom them is by giving them an extended run without the fear of being dropped.

Lastly its about mindset, England adopting a fair system of selection post 2015 and having the mindset to always outbat the opposition and put play the opposition + a never give up strategy that Ben Stokes always applies is what made them become world class.

In pcb its always stats stats stats. The mindset is simply play for your milestones, play 1990 era cricket from over 1 to 30 and t20 style from 31 to 50. And the selection criteria is completly unfair with zero squad rotation and biased excuses.

I have no clue how many times posters have bashed me by saying saim ayub has no list A experience, Bhai remind me what list A experience Abdullah has? Abdullah has even less List A experience then Saim. The reason Abdullah is in the team is because babar has a love affair with Abdullah's technique and drafted him in, but with saim babar is threatened by him becoming a permanent t20 opener, hence he's not willing to draft the lad in.

Stop with the experience crap, ik full well how the selection criteria works in India, England and Australia and how it works in Pakistan.
 
saqib.rai said:
The match in which Amir and Asif bowled the no-balls, Pakistan WON that match. That is what ultimately matters.

Credibility, credibility kar rahe hoo. Where does this credibility go when sifarshis are made part of the team and even made captain? And as a result we end up losing important ICC events?

Amir and Asif have completed their sentence of 5 long years- dont have to remind them everytime of what they did in the past.

There are degrees of a crime and punishment is given accordingly. You cannot get a life imprisonment for beating up someone but will get 6 months or a year in jail in the UK.

ICC knows this. That is why Amir and Asif got 5 year bans and were NOT banned for life. IF THEY HAD DONE MATCH FIXING, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED FOR LIFE.

In my opinion, if they had done match fixing, they should have been shot in the head. Literally. That is how bad a menace match fixing is.

I remember waking up early to watch Hong Kong Super Sixes in 2010. Even if Australia hit all the balls of the last over for maximum (maximum was 8), Pakistan would have still won. Imran Nazir started bowling wides and no balls and also conceding maximums. Shoaib Malik was the captain. Pakistan lost.

Shoaib Malik was being investigated by the ICC and that was he reason he was not part of the 2011 World Cup squad. However, it's very very hard to find proof. These bookies are very smart.

But the match in which Amir and Asif did spot-fixing, WE WON. That is what ultimately matters.
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And? It's still an embrassment for the Pakistan nation lol that your captain, your leader is a match fixer with bookies lol.

Amir I've already expressed my sympathy and wrote am essay about his case.

Asif and the rest, your arguments fall on deaf ears if your supporting them 😪
 
saqib.rai said:
The match in which Amir and Asif bowled the no-balls, Pakistan WON that match. That is what ultimately matters.

Credibility, credibility kar rahe hoo. Where does this credibility go when sifarshis are made part of the team and even made captain? And as a result we end up losing important ICC events?

Amir and Asif have completed their sentence of 5 long years- dont have to remind them everytime of what they did in the past.

There are degrees of a crime and punishment is given accordingly. You cannot get a life imprisonment for beating up someone but will get 6 months or a year in jail in the UK.

ICC knows this. That is why Amir and Asif got 5 year bans and were NOT banned for life. IF THEY HAD DONE MATCH FIXING, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED FOR LIFE.

In my opinion, if they had done match fixing, they should have been shot in the head. Literally. That is how bad a menace match fixing is.

I remember waking up early to watch Hong Kong Super Sixes in 2010. Even if Australia hit all the balls of the last over for maximum (maximum was 8), Pakistan would have still won. Imran Nazir started bowling wides and no balls and also conceding maximums. Shoaib Malik was the captain. Pakistan lost.

Shoaib Malik was being investigated by the ICC and that was he reason he was not part of the 2011 World Cup squad. However, it's very very hard to find proof. These bookies are very smart.

But the match in which Amir and Asif did spot-fixing, WE WON. That is what ultimately matters.
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Mate I dont know what match you were watching, but in the one I watched, we got thumped by an innings and 225 runs. Link to the scorecard below:

www.espncricinfo.com

England beat Pakistan, England won by an innings and 225 runs

ENG 446 vs PAK (fo) 74 & 147 - England won by an innings and 225 runs in London, Pakistan tour of England 2010, August 26 - 29, 2010
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com

I love fact checking Amir and Asif fans, always turns out funny.
 
saqib.rai said:
The match in which Amir and Asif bowled the no-balls, Pakistan WON that match. That is what ultimately matters.

Credibility, credibility kar rahe hoo. Where does this credibility go when sifarshis are made part of the team and even made captain? And as a result we end up losing important ICC events?

Amir and Asif have completed their sentence of 5 long years- dont have to remind them everytime of what they did in the past.

There are degrees of a crime and punishment is given accordingly. You cannot get a life imprisonment for beating up someone but will get 6 months or a year in jail in the UK.

ICC knows this. That is why Amir and Asif got 5 year bans and were NOT banned for life. IF THEY HAD DONE MATCH FIXING, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BANNED FOR LIFE.

In my opinion, if they had done match fixing, they should have been shot in the head. Literally. That is how bad a menace match fixing is.

I remember waking up early to watch Hong Kong Super Sixes in 2010. Even if Australia hit all the balls of the last over for maximum (maximum was 8), Pakistan would have still won. Imran Nazir started bowling wides and no balls and also conceding maximums. Shoaib Malik was the captain. Pakistan lost.

Shoaib Malik was being investigated by the ICC and that was he reason he was not part of the 2011 World Cup squad. However, it's very very hard to find proof. These bookies are very smart.

But the match in which Amir and Asif did spot-fixing, WE WON. That is what ultimately matters.
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And on that note, I have a question to you. Did you watch the match yourself or was this fact picked up from some FB post supporting the return of Amir? :p

Genuinely curious since I keeping coming across such facts again and again in different forms and all of these are not true.
 
Major said:
Thats because you were very young or probably did not watch cricket back in 2010.

Many of the posters around here in 2010 remember clearly the embarrassment that Pakistan had to face.

First of all, let me remind you that when the 2010 England series squad was announced, many people said this was the worst ever squad announced. Pakistan under Salman Butt was soo terrible as a batting unit that they were getting out for less than 200 scores. Pakistan was not even able to bat for a full day, i think it once only once in 8 innings that they somehow manage to bat the whole day.
Now when this was happening, yes there was criticism, but there was no one said this that Pakistan should be banned or not be allowed to tour to England etc. It was accepted that ok bad performances is part of the game.

Few weeks later, when Amir, Asif and Salman Butt were caught fixing around, a whole havoc broke. The other day one poster @saqib.rai was saying that ohh there is a big difference between match fixing and spot fixing. No there isnt. A person can match fix a game in favor of their own team winning, that would still be a fixing. The issue with fixing (whether match or spot), is that once it take places, it brings the whole credibility of the game in doubt. Credibility matters. There is a thread on india vs sri lanka game where many indian posters were not happy, and the reason was they did not like that the creadibility of the game was in doubt, because it brings shame for the whole nation.

While Pakistanis are ok with insulting their nation and doubting its credibility, our so called Pakistani fans dont care and are so used to insulting their own country and its representatives.

Anyways, when the spot fixing event took place, and Amir, Asif and Butt were caught with their pants down, there were calls from prominent cricketers that Pakistan cricket should be banned. Indian experts were calling out for our banning. Insults were being thrown, players like Jonathan Trott was picking up fights and insulting us aswell.

I as a fan used to wake up every day early in the morning to watch the first session. Now looking back i feel so stupid, because Amir had ruined tha credibility by trying to make extra bucks for bowling no balls on purpose. It brings a doubt for me that the game i woke up early to watch, or some crazy fan that took off from work or school, finds out that the games whole credibility was in doubt and it could be that they were playing to lose.

So before coming here and saying like a child that, "Oh i would take match fixers over honest players that end up losing", remember those dark days. When such an event God forbids happens again, than you would know the shame it brings. How Indian fans and experts will take that opportunity to insult and ask for banning of Pakistan cricket. Even New Zealand beer companies were using us in their advertisements. Thats how embarrassing spot fixing and match fixing is.

This is why i was very unhappy with @Markhor when he wanted amir to be selected. He was there. He saw what happened the day the NOTW report came out. I will never forget that night.
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I remember those times to and I was as well felt a great deal of shame. However the past is the past and all three did their time, apologised and where legally allowed to represent Pakistan- end of story

Now for the last three years I have felt that same humiliation multiple times when watching Pakistan consistently make fools out of themselves- whether it is losing to India by 220 runs, chocking as Asia Cup final, Wade's 3 sixes to Shaheen, losing 3-0 to England D, losing 3-0 at home, losing the 22WC final etc etc- while jesters like Rizwan and Babar laugh on the field.

The guys who fixed may have done embarrassed us once however each of them have the skill and ability - especially Amir and Sharjeel- to retribuite for their sins and make our country proud. The guys we have currently playing now may not be match fixers however they are a bunch of softies who will continue to disappoint, act like clowns and block the path for any new talent to come into the team.

So yes I will take the fixers over the current lot any day
 
Moiza said:
And on that note, I have a question to you. Did you watch the match yourself or was this fact picked up from some FB post supporting the return of Amir? :p

Genuinely curious since I keeping coming across such facts again and again in different forms and all of these are not true.
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I don't watch FULL test matches because at that time I needed to get an education, and now I need to work
And what is not true?
 
Moiza said:
Mate I dont know what match you were watching, but in the one I watched, we got thumped by an innings and 225 runs. Link to the scorecard below:

www.espncricinfo.com

England beat Pakistan, England won by an innings and 225 runs

ENG 446 vs PAK (fo) 74 & 147 - England won by an innings and 225 runs in London, Pakistan tour of England 2010, August 26 - 29, 2010
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com

I love fact checking Amir and Asif fans, always turns out funny.
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They didn't do Spot fixing in the 4th match. See his no balls, they are from the 3rd match.

The story broke out during the 4th match.

Forums should have fact checkers as well so that people like you cannot fool people.
 
saqib.rai said:
They didn't do Spot fixing in the 4th match. See his no balls, they are from the 3rd match.

The story broke out during the 4th match.

Forums should have fact checkers as well so that people like you cannot fool people.
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My dear friend, you are embarrassing yourself at this point and losing all credibility in front of the forum.

I have attached some evidence below since you are not going to do research yourself. Please stop believing FB agendas that Amir is the savior, many a times, the facts presented in those FB post are false.




Commentary from the 4th Test

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Evidence from Wikipedia (not the best source but will do for now)

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Moiza said:
My dear friend, you are embarrassing yourself at this point and losing all credibility in front of the forum.

I have attached some evidence below since you are not going to do research yourself. Please stop believing FB agendas that Amir is the savior, many a times, the facts presented in those FB post are false.




Commentary from the 4th Test

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Evidence from Wikipedia (not the best source but will do for now)

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You are diverting from the point that was being discussed

Did Pakistan lose this match because Amir and Asif spot-fixed in this match?

NO
 
Like Major said, its time to back team as this is the best 11 Pakistan could have fielded. I get it that you do not like the team, maybe to a point that you would come at everyone with fabricated facts to make a point but this is not the time for it.

The time to back to boys is here and IA we will bring the cup home. For the ones, waiting for the team to fail, you will have your way in 8 weeks if you keeping praying hard enough. 😃
 
Moiza said:
My dear friend, you are embarrassing yourself at this point and losing all credibility in front of the forum.

I have attached some evidence below since you are not going to do research yourself. Please stop believing FB agendas that Amir is the savior, many a times, the facts presented in those FB post are false.




Commentary from the 4th Test

View attachment 136787


Evidence from Wikipedia (not the best source but will do for now)

View attachment 136788
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And plus. BOTH SERVED THEIR 5 YEAR BAN

IF it was such grave an offence, why didn't the ICC ban them for life?
 
Mate, you have lost your credibility with me at least so I see no point in arguing with you anymore.

I would implore you to leave your agendas aside and back the boys in Green!
 
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