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Jason Holder | Can he walk into every nations' playing XI?

Just when I said he couldn't influence a match... facepalm
 
He is improving with time and he definitely would walk into most of the sides.
Dunno, why Darren Bravo can't make it into this test team. His addition would have the middle order of the WI strong. I had heard his dispute with WICB was settled ??
 
Jason Holder is a remarkably resolute cricketer, a lot of posters have probably not seen him bowl over the last year. I think he's pushing Stokes for the tag of best all-rounder in the world.

It's a different story in ODI cricket as I don't think his batting is dynamic enough, but in test cricket he's been doing the business for a while.
 
Brilliance said:
He is improving with time and he definitely would walk into most of the sides.
Dunno, why Darren Bravo can't make it into this test team. His addition would have the middle order of the WI strong. I had heard his dispute with WICB was settled ??
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I bet Bravo will be back for the next series. He already returned to the ODI squad earlier this week.
 
Lol @ people comparing him to Mitchell Marsh. Better than Marsh in all aspects when it comes to red ball cricket. I agree with others that it's probably just England he wouldn't get into as they have Stokes/Woakes
 
I’d take Mitchell Marsh and Faheem Ashraf ahead of him.

A batting average of 30 is too low to be a batting all-rounder (Sobers/Kallis) or a balanced all-rounder (Imran, Kapil Dev, Botham).

It puts you down in Bowling all-rounder territory, with Wasim Akram, Richard Hadlee or Shaun Pollock.

But a bowling all-rounder needs to take more than three wickets per Test.
 
Junaids said:
I’d take Mitchell Marsh and Faheem Ashraf ahead of him.

A batting average of 30 is too low to be a batting all-rounder (Sobers/Kallis) or a balanced all-rounder (Imran, Kapil Dev, Botham).

It puts you down in Bowling all-rounder territory, with Wasim Akram, Richard Hadlee or Shaun Pollock.

But a bowling all-rounder needs to take more than three wickets per Test.
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Ashraf is better than Holder??? Based on what exactly?
 
Yes, Holder is worse than a lad that averages 27 with the bat and 43 with the ball or another lad that has played a sum total of 3 test matches. Brilliant.
 
Makes full use of that height and high arm action. Extremely lethal with the new ball in test cricket.
 
Holder is underappreciated. A reliable and accurate seamer who bowls with a lot of heart. I can imagine him being even more of a handful with a bit more pace given the height and physicality he possesses. He has made useful contributions lower down the order with the bat and has stood up when others have failed.

Not a tactically astute captain but doesn't have the resources at his disposal of past WI captains.
 
Junaids said:
I’d take Mitchell Marsh and Faheem Ashraf ahead of him.

A batting average of 30 is too low to be a batting all-rounder (Sobers/Kallis) or a balanced all-rounder (Imran, Kapil Dev, Botham).

It puts you down in Bowling all-rounder territory, with Wasim Akram, Richard Hadlee or Shaun Pollock.

But a bowling all-rounder needs to take more than three wickets per Test.
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You're a senior poster here on this forum. I don't know why you still make such posts. It does nothing but do damage to your reputation.
 
the_outsider said:
You're a senior poster here on this forum. I don't know why you still make such posts. It does nothing but do damage to your reputation.
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Sorry I just find Holder too much like a reincarnation of Darren Sammy, who has improved his batting a bit!
 
Junaids said:
Sorry I just find Holder too much like a reincarnation of Darren Sammy, who has improved his batting a bit!
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It's fine if you don't rate Holder highly but how can you say Faheem Ashraf and Mitch Marsh are better test all-arounders?
 
He will walk into all except England.

Every other team has a pace-bowling all-rounder trying to establish himself in international cricket.
 
Junaids said:
Sorry I just find Holder too much like a reincarnation of Darren Sammy, who has improved his batting a bit!
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Very much agree.

He's a bit over rated, but walks into PAK side as a captain. Sarfraz is easy to replace.
 
Holder is on the cusp of hitting the peak of his career. He is still only 26 years old. I can easily see him averaging 35+ with the bat and between 26 and 28 with the ball. Those are elite all-rounder stats.
 
Dios said:
Holder is on the cusp of hitting the peak of his career. He is still only 26 years old. I can easily see him averaging 35+ with the bat and between 26 and 28 with the ball. Those are elite all-rounder stats.
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He's not a good enough batsman to be a Balanced All-Rounder, batting at Number 6. Mitchell Marsh has that potential, but I don't think Holder does.

Similar problem as a Bowling All-Rounder. He's plenty tall enough, but he's medium paced and doesn't really swing or seam it.

(I have similar issues with Hasan Ali: he's never going to be tall enough or quick enough to be a Bowling All-Rounder, but he doesn't seem to understand that unless he can turn himself into a Number 7 batsman he has no future.)
 
Junaids said:
He's not a good enough batsman to be a Balanced All-Rounder, batting at Number 6. Mitchell Marsh has that potential, but I don't think Holder does.

Similar problem as a Bowling All-Rounder. He's plenty tall enough, but he's medium paced and doesn't really swing or seam it.

(I have similar issues with Hasan Ali: he's never going to be tall enough or quick enough to be a Bowling All-Rounder, but he doesn't seem to understand that unless he can turn himself into a Number 7 batsman he has no future.)
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So you're comparing potential v actual results
 
Holder enters top 10 after Hyderabad five-for

It has been an outstanding year with the ball for Holder.

His 5/56 in the Indian first innings was his fourth five-wicket haul in Tests this year, the most by any bowler.
He is the first bowler from the Windies since Courtney Walsh in 2000 to pick up four five-fors in a calendar year.
His was the first five-wicket haul by a Windies pacer in India since 1994, when Kenneth Benjamin returned 5/65 in Mohali.
The most incredible stat is that he averages 11.87 with the ball in 2018, the best by a bowler with at least 30 wickets in a calendar year in 100 years.

That took him into the top 10 among bowlers, up four spots to No.9 with a career-high 766 points.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/878445
 
Junaids said:
He's not a good enough batsman to be a Balanced All-Rounder, batting at Number 6. Mitchell Marsh has that potential, but I don't think Holder does.

Similar problem as a Bowling All-Rounder. He's plenty tall enough, but he's medium paced and doesn't really swing or seam it.

(I have similar issues with Hasan Ali: he's never going to be tall enough or quick enough to be a Bowling All-Rounder, but he doesn't seem to understand that unless he can turn himself into a Number 7 batsman he has no future.)
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If that's your impression of Holder then I seriously doubt that you have seen his bowling enough.
 
Like Sarfraz he is not talented but a true servant of his nation. A fighter who doesnt give up. Bravo!

I am a big fan of players like Sarfraz, Sammy and Jason.
 
World class all rounder

He would play in all teams except England. Amazing leader
 
He is my no.1 player i would want in my side !! What a player. Great cool, calm but fierce competitive attitude.
 
Best test all rounder in the world, in the past year he averages 35 with the bat and 12 with the ball!. No doubt he would be in any team.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Like Sarfraz he is not talented but a true servant of his nation. A fighter who doesnt give up. Bravo!

I am a big fan of players like Sarfraz, Sammy and Jason.
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He wouldn't be racking up the numbers he has recentley if he didn't have talent

Someone who can bowl at 140kh and score test match centuries has talent. He makes his team on merit unlike your Sarfraz. Don't compare them.
 
I thought he was going to be another Darren Sammy, glad to be proven wrong. One of the only true all-rounders going around in test cricket.
 
Great to see him develop into a top player. He has worked very, very hard to be where he is today.
 
It probably helps him that he doesn't get the hype, can go about just playing and enjoying the game in a relaxed manner. Eventually there will be a point where the opposition will actually take him seriously as a key player
 
This guy is turning out to be an excellent allrounder. Not a bits/pieces player like most allrounder these days are.
 
Of all the gems in this thread, couple of name steals the cake - Fahim Ashraf & Sarfraz Ahmed.
 
Hopefully Wiaan Mulder will do the business when he debuts for us. The boy is killing domestic franchise cricket at 20. Gun player with bat or ball.
 
Dark Magician said:
Hopefully Wiaan Mulder will do the business when he debuts for us. The boy is killing domestic franchise cricket at 20. Gun player with bat or ball.
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He should do a kolpak deal because phulu is going to play for a long time because of quota system.
 
shah_1 said:
He should do a kolpak deal because phulu is going to play for a long time because of quota system.
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You are talking rubbish. If that was so then how is it that people like Olivier and De Bruyn keep getting selected? Or how about Van Der Dussen? This qouta nonsense you lot peddle is sick and disgusting to be honest.
 
Dark Magician said:
You are talking rubbish. If that was so then how is it that people like Olivier and De Bruyn keep getting selected? Or how about Van Der Dussen? This qouta nonsense you lot peddle is sick and disgusting to be honest.
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VDD is playing because JP got injured. He will be carrying drinks once JP comes back.

It’s a harsh reality.
 
Dark Magician said:
You are talking rubbish. If that was so then how is it that people like Olivier and De Bruyn keep getting selected? Or how about Van Der Dussen? This qouta nonsense you lot peddle is sick and disgusting to be honest.
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Heino Kuhn is another example - he was a sitting duck in England in 2017.

PPers would've shouted themselves hoarse about quotas had he been a coloured player.
 
didn't seen him much lately, thought he's more of a batting all-rounder.. he has the ability to hang around and hit big...
 
What a great player he is turning out to be. Really likable guy, would like him to break all sorts of records
 
He would make any side with ease. On current form is good enough to bat as high as 6 and bowl as a 3rd/4th seamer or as opening bowler for some sides.
 
Jason Holder to play for Northamptonshire during start of 2019 county season

West Indies captain Jason Holder will play for Northamptonshire during the first part of the 2019 English season, the club announced Thursday.

Holder, 27, has led the West Indies to an unassailable 2-0 lead in their ongoing three-Test series at home to England and is currently ranked as the world’s top all-rounder.

The towering fast-medium bowler and hard-hitting batsman will be available for Northamptonshire’s opening two County Championship matches and their first six One-Day Cup games, with Holder set to lead the West Indies in the World Cup in England later in the season.

“England is somewhere I’ve wanted to play for a long time and I’m looking forward to the experience of county cricket and testing myself in the different conditions,” Holder, a veteran of 37 Tests, 85 one-day internationals and eight T20 internationals, told the Northamptonshire website.

“I’m hopeful from a personal point that it will provide me a good opportunity of acclimatising to English conditions and getting some time in the middle ahead of the ICC World Cup 2019 in England.”

Holder, banned from this week’s third Test in St Lucia as a result of cumulative slow over-rate offences, is set to arrive in England ahead of the new season to play in Northamptonshire’s opening second division County Championship match against Middlesex.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...ire-during-start-of-2019-county-season-800678
 
Jason Holder speaking at post-match presser

Q. All around a very competent and tight-knit kind of performance. That must be exactly what you want from your first game in a World Cup?

JASON HOLDER: Yeah, really good start from the boys. I thought we bowled really well. We got wickets with the new ball and really set them back, slowed their momentum and quite fortunate for us we were able to keep picking wickets up and you know they never recovered from the position they were in at the very beginning. I think when we batted it was a clinical performance as well, obviously started nicely by Chris. He put the accelerator on them and was supported by Pooran in the very end.


Q. Was that a premeditated sort of tactic -- go after Pakistan with the short bowl, or was that something Andre Russell just picked up on and went with when he came out to bowl?

JASON HOLDER: I think our style was just to be aggressive. We just want to be aggressive with whoever we're playing against. It's just something that we need to do in order to pick up wickets. I think with the the modern-day game, if you are not picking wickets up throughout the innings you're going to struggle to contain teams. So we just want to be aggressive even if we give up a few runs up front, trying to get wickets. One of the things we've spoken about in the recent past is just trying to have that mindset to take wickets because if you're not taking wickets you're going to struggle.


Q. You spoke about aggression and Andre showed that really nicely in that 3-0 spell. Can you talk about that spell and also is Andre okay after he limped off?

JASON HOLDER: Yeah, his spell had great impact, obviously. It started the slide for Pakistan, and again, he's one of those players that runs in and gives it his all. He has a lot of force going through his body, and he's one of those players that he will give you 110 percent every time he steps up to the plate.

Yeah, he limped off the field, so we're just obviously going to monitor him over the next few days and see how he pulls up for our second encounter against Australia.


Q. You bowled England for 110 in St. Lucia a few months ago with quite a similar style of bowling. Did today remind you of that in some ways, with lots of short bowls and so on?

JASON HOLDER: Yeah, as I said before we want to remain aggressive. I think every single team in the competition that's going to be looking to pick up wickets throughout the entire innings has been a common trend. If you don't get wickets continuously going throughout the innings, you're going to struggle to contain teams at the very back end. It's something you have to do, whether it be through spin, which is the way a lot of teams have gone, or whether it be through good fast bowling, which is the direction we've been going.


Q. Thomas was doing today (indiscernible) is he something of a new discovery coming into this tournament? Four wickets today?

JASON HOLDER: Yeah, he's been excellent. The last game he got five wickets and then he comes and follows it up with four wickets here today. It was great to see him running in and bowling fast. That's one thing we ask of him, just to be aggressive in those middle overs, as I said before. He's working out quite nicely for us. It's just a matter for us to be consistent with it, and at times not get carried away with it in terms of overdoing it.

But yeah, credit to him. He's been outstanding so far, and he's definitely created a buzz throughout the entire team.


Q. Just wondered if you could expand on Andre's injury. What's actually the problem?

JASON HOLDER: I myself am not 100 per cent sure what's actually going on with Andre. As I said, we've got five days before our next game, so we'll just assess him over the next few days, and we'll see what happens.


Q. Same question about Chris.

JASON HOLDER: Same thing. After the game I was eating and whatnot, so I'm not exactly sure what's going on with Chris, as well, too. But the mere fact they sent the physio back off the field is promising signs, as well, too, so again, we've got five days to see how he pulls up in the next couple days.


Q. You've come into the tournament almost off the radar. Nobody has really given your team a chance of winning the tournament. How far do you think you can go, and does that work in your favour?

JASON HOLDER: Look, I'm not thinking too far ahead. We've got Australia in the next encounter. As I said to the guys, we've got a long tournament here, it's just a matter for us to take it game by game, and I'm not getting ahead of myself. We just want to be consistent. The only thing we can focus on and control is cricket, and we've got three departments to make sure we're clinical in in terms of our batting, bowling and fielding, and I just want us to be the best we can in terms of performing our roles for the team.


Q. Was net runaway on your minds in the chase because that could be a total --

JASON HOLDER: It wasn't on my mind.


Q. Sarfaraz, the Pakistan captain, was in here just now and we asked what went wrong. He said the toss was very, very important to the way the game unfolded. Did you feel that way going into the toss? Did you think, my goodness, I've got to get this right, or is that an over-exaggeration?

JASON HOLDER: Well, me when it comes to tosses, I have no luck. I've lost quite a few tosses - I wanted to win, so it was neither here nor there with the toss. Yeah, we chose to bowl, obviously, with the overhead conditions, and first wicket, as well, so we've got four fast bowlers in our lineup, so we just wanted to explore that as early as possible. You tend to back yourself chasing with such a deep batting lineup and so much power at the back end of your innings, as well, too. Yeah, worked out for us nicely today. Hopefully we can continue playing some really good cricket.


Q. Just on the discipline with which the bowlers executed the short bowl early on. How impressed were you with that, and how much of that was planned for specific batsmen or just a general plan, I guess?

JASON HOLDER: Look, when we start any campaign we always have team meetings. We go through the players on the opposition and just try to formulate our plans. As I said generally, we've got a team plan to be aggressive. We get a lot of short bowls in the nets, as well, too, so it's good to see a lot of short bowls transcending from the nets onto the field of play.

Yeah, again, we will just go through batters like normal and we just try to work with tactics to each batter.


Q. But today it seemed a bit more than just a plan it was a real professional and disciplined bowling performance?

JASON HOLDER: Yeah, I was pleased with the discipline. Outside the aggression, we need to be following up on our deliveries and building overs quite nicely. One of the things we always harp on about in the dressing room is what are we bowling outside of the aggressive balls, whether it be a short bowl or if you're going up there for a yorker or whatever it may be, you've got to follow up with some other deliveries. It's just about stacking overs nicely together and building some pressure.


Q. Are you looking for further matches' same strategy or will you change?

JASON HOLDER: I guess it depends on the players.


Q. Short balls have been really successful against Pakistan today, so in the next match it will be the same strategy?

JASON HOLDER: Yeah, again, it depends on the players. As I said before, we sit down, we plan for each player in the batting lineup. If we feel that a batsman is a bit susceptible to the short ball, then we'll use a short bowl. If not, we've got to find other options.


Q. Sarfaraz didn't use it as an excuse, but he mention the 10:30 start, which means the ball will do more. He said that 10:30 start means the toss is very crucial. How do you see this 10:30 a.m. start, and do you think it's going to play a role in the tournament going ahead?

JASON HOLDER: Well, that's the time that the cricket is supposed to start, and I can't control that. You know, toss is 50/50, as well, so I can't have full control of that, either. I mean, at the end of the day its the same for both sides.


Q. He wasn't talking about this match, it was just looking as a tournament as a whole.

JASON HOLDER: I don't think so. You know, cricket has to be played. It's set that the cricket starts at 10:30, and as I said before, it was a 50/50 toss. Whether you bat, bowl in the first half of the game, you've got to look to do it and do it well.

(Transcript courtesy of the ICC)
 
What a captain he is.
He was very young in 2015 when he was leading the side and was somewhat immature. Now look at how mature he is and how he's holding the team together.
Imo the best leader in world cricket.
 
Sarfaraz seemed to make a big deal of the toss and 10:30 start... Jason the opposite
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Let's see how aggressive they are against England or Australia.
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They drew an ODI series with England earlier this year playing aggressively and since then have added a ridiculously in-form Andre Russell to the team. Also Oshane Thomas seems to have adjusted to international cricket now. I have no doubt they’ll be aggressive against all teams.

On Holder: I was a huge fan early on, although I must admit his bowling concerned me, especially when De Villiers destroyed him twice in the space in a couple of months. I thought he’d be a batting all rounder by now, but he isn’t. And the only reason he isn’t is because his bowling has improved massively, whilst he is also capable of batting at 6 in tests IMO.

I agree with what someone said in another thread; Holder is the most important WI cricketer since Lara, undoubtedly. He’s blossomed into a wonderful player, and even better leader.
 
Has given a lot of respect to Pakistan in public by being professional. Top guy.

Truth: In the background the lads must be joking that these Pakistan boys farted in their pants when playing the short balls.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
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They got eng bowled out for 100 off and chased it down In 15 ish overs just 2-3 months ago. I saw the highlights of that match. It was the exact same strategy. Short ball after short ball
 
Coming off the win against NZ in the warmup, destroying pakistan right after, I think Windies have the confidence to go far, might be tough to beat in this competition!
 
We desperately need this kind of attitude. There is no place for cowards in modern cricket. No point in having all the weapons if you are not going to use them.
 
He was very impressive at the press conference.

Composed, clear with his plans and talked a lot of sense.
 
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] this is what a captain is.

Not Sarfraz the clueless.
 
He is pretty gracious in victory after absolutely annihilating our batting lineup ! Top performance by a very dangerous side! Good luck to them; hope they win more games against bigger teams!
 
Inspiration, it would be a glorious day to see the heavens open to shine brightly on the West Indies one more time at Lords like the days of old, the fire in babylon has not been extinguished just yet
 
Jason Holder has expressed his desire to keep expanding in limited-overs cricket although he is viewed as a Test specialist. Holder, captain of the West Indies Test side, was replaced by Kieron Pollard as their ODI and T20I skipper following a disastrous performance at the World Cup, and even though the all-rounder is grappling match form, the 28-year-old is hopeful of reclaiming his lost spark.

“I don’t want to just segregate myself and pigeon-hole myself to one particular format. Yes I’m the captain for the Test team but as I’ve crossed formats for a number of years, I think my sole focus has been on West Indies cricket, ideally in all three formats not only in Test cricket,” Holder told windiescricket.com.

Holder has led West Indies in successive World Cups – 2015 and 2019 but with the team performing well under Pollard, Holder may have to wait a little longer. Since the World Cup, Holder has scored just 50 runs from six games and claimed just seven wickets from 10 games at an average of 68.85 and strike rate of 75.4. With such numbers, Holder may struggle to grab a permanent spot in the West Indies’ limited-overs set-up, especially now that their batting runs deep, something that was summed up by all-rounder Dwayne Bravo.

“I love the leadership role; the leadership role for me is one where it makes me focus and drives me in a way where my performances definitely have to lead by example and I definitely have to practice what I preach. I think West Indies cricket is so diverse in many different ways and for us as players, we’ve got to understand each and every one of us has a part to play in this whole puzzle,” Holder stated further.

Last month, Holder had admitted that it was tough for him transitioning back just as a player when he was removed as West Indies captain. Even though he continues to lead the team in Tests, Holder said he was slightly taken aback with the timing of the decision.

“To be quite honest, it has been tough transitioning back just as a player. In hindsight, it has been tough trying to understand how to get back in as just a player,” Holder told the Cricket Collective podcast on TalkSPORT. “It was an interesting time for me. I had found out earlier in the tournament that we have moved as one-day international captain. For me, it was just trying to win it [the CPL].”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ist-moniker/story-6aiXoZjeNlQC6QrzDDr8TP.html
 
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