Umesh Yadav @ 2015 WC
18 wkts @ 17
Dale steyn - 11wkts @ 31
So Umesh is better than Steyn ??
What say Amir fan boys ?
Apply same logic to Amir as well. Stop embarrassing yourself by comparing world no.1 ODI bowler averaging 22 to a bowler who is ranked 27 averaging 29Your picking one stat for two bowlers who shouldn't even be compared to each other
Also you make it seem Steyn has had poor peformances in world cup, this is the same man who took 5fr v Indian in 2011 WC for not much. Please dont embarass yourself like this.
Test series in Australia is as tough as world cup, probably tougher for sc teams. I mean from the 90's apart from India no Asian team has won a single test in Australia. In the same period pak and srl both have won world cups and made finals
Based on that Prasad >> Akram and waqar.
[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] himself has called the CT irrelevant now he is talking about it being a important tournament.India won the CT in 2013 and 2002 but you would hardly come across any Indian fan bragging about these tournaments, most Indian fans except diehard wouldn't be aware of when India won the trophy for the first time and big tournaments are all about 1983 and 2011 or 2007 T20 WC for India. But look at the number of times Pakistanis hype the CT trophy , now suddenly it's not about WC but all ICC Events.
How many people even know when the CT trophy was first held , who the champions were and following editions? The first CT trophy was won by SA but they are still considered chokers and a team who has never won anything significant , so that goes to show the important of CT.
The CT is so iconic and presitigous that it has been scrapped by the ICC.
Its as almost you attack them personally if you have a different opinion of one of their cricketers.
We have one chap now trying to respond by bringing up Yadav v Steyn in one world cup. You dont compare those two full stop! Amir and Bumrah are the best bowlers for their nation and are playing right now in the biggest tournament, Bumrah is supposed to be in better form but Amir is outbowling him by a distance.
Amir at his best would be chose over Bumrah at his best in any playing XI. Amir has better skills, it's a simple as this. Bumrah cannot swing the ball anywhere near the standard of Amir, with the new and old ball.
Swing is only one part of a pacer's weapon. Bumbag heats the deck much harder, has a better bouncer and a better Yorker. And with his action if he even straightens the ball, that will be harder to play than an outswing of a side on bowler
India won the CT in 2013 and 2002 but you would hardly come across any Indian fan bragging about these tournaments, most Indian fans except diehard wouldn't be aware of when India won the trophy for the first time and big tournaments are all about 1983 and 2011 or 2007 T20 WC for India. But look at the number of times Pakistanis hype the CT trophy , now suddenly it's not about WC but all ICC Events.
How many people even know when the CT trophy was first held , who the champions were and following editions? The first CT trophy was won by SA but they are still considered chokers and a team who has never won anything significant , so that goes to show the important of CT.
The CT is so iconic and presitigous that it has been scrapped by the ICC.
Icc says that india and Sri Lanka are joint winners of 2002 champions trophy. I think you should petition icc to correct it
. The whole country went into a meltdown over winning the prestigious CT
Yeah right people in India were bursting Crackers all over the country during the 2013 CT Victory in England
It's such an important tournament for which the World cares that it has been scrapped by the ICC
He picked up wickets when needed. Against sa picked up their openers in his first spell and sa never recovered from that. Against Australia and Pakistan the match was probably won at lunch time. The only chance they had was to get off to a flier. And his opening spell was great in both matches. Against Afghanistan removed both set batsman in an over. Overall he has been great as he delivered every time it mattered. Getting hit by imad and shadab when Pakistan needed 25 runs per over is inconsequential.
Because sadly for you the winners of champions trophy is decided by icc, not by Indian fans. And I am not saying the champions trophy is irrelevant. What other Indian fans say is not my responsibility.
I am over the moon, you are single handledy refuting Indian fans in this thread who claim no one cares about CT.
You can hide behind the excuse of what ICC says, but sadly you cannot even do that properly. There is a difference in saying *winners*, and *joint winners*. So stop making stuff up and in future make sure you repeat the exact words of the ICC.
India won the CT in 2013 and 2002 but you would hardly come across any Indian fan bragging about these tournaments, most Indian fans except diehard wouldn't be aware of when India won the trophy for the first time and big tournaments are all about 1983 and 2011 or 2007 T20 WC for India. But look at the number of times Pakistanis hype the CT trophy , now suddenly it's not about WC but all ICC Events.
How many people even know when the CT trophy was first held , who the champions were and following editions? The first CT trophy was won by SA but they are still considered chokers and a team who has never won anything significant , so that goes to show the important of CT.
The CT is so iconic and presitigous that it has been scrapped by the ICC.
Pakistan’s 1992 WC win also was aided by Rain. So would you rate that as bad too?
. Jeez, its so funny to see how people shift goal posts to suit their arguments.Didnt you just said only wickets matter and nothing else.Dude, at-least stick to one point.Wasim and Waqar will forever be one of the greatest, well above any Indian bowler to ever grace the game, in any format, for one simple reason, pioneering of Reverse Swing. Their contribution to the game and it's development will ensure their names are forever cemented in the annals of Cricket, and not just based on stats. To the extent, ICC changed the rules in ODI to 2 balls per game just so the batsman in the later years stood a chance in the later overs - such was their effect.
Bumrah has better average in ODIs than Amir in the last few years. That means less runs given for more wickets. That is exactly why he is ahead of Amir in rankings.No, I said, wickets are number one factor in determining a bowlers rankings. At least read properly.
Wasim/Waqar was a separate point on greatness.
I never said they weren’t. What I said was its their consistency is what made them greats. Besides, I believe Sarfaraz and Imran were reverse swinging before the 2 Ws.
You have compared him with Hasan Ali in champions trophy, not Amir. Now you are comparing him with Amir, not Hasan. Tells you who is the king here
It must be frustrating for Pak fans to digest the fact that Bumrah is better bowler than their current lot
What say Amir fan boys ?
