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Former Pakistan fast bowler and current United Arab Emirates coach Aaqib Javed feels that Indian pacer Jasprit Bumrah will “find it difficult” to sustain for long without injury in international cricket with his unusual action.

“Bumrah’s action is his main problem. During loading, this kind of action puts enormous strain on the back. This is an injury-prone action. With this kind of action, I don’t see him playing 10 years of injury-free international cricket. I may be wrong as I am not an astrologer but that’s how I feel,” Aaqib told PTI during an interview ahead of UAE’s match against India.

Aaqib, who played a lot of cricket with Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis, also feels that Bangladeshi youngsters Taskin Ahmed and Mustafizur Rahaman are “more talented than Bumrah“.

“Mustafiz and Taskin are both 20-year-olds and look at their quality. Taskin regularly hits 145 kmph mark and Mustafiz has such amazing variations. Bumrah at best is a fast medium bowler and team expects him to get a wicket or two and hurl a few in the block hole at the death. Now that will make him a good Twenty20 bowler but beyond that I don’t know,” Aaqib said.

The 43-year-old Aaqib is also surprised that the likes of Umesh Yadav, Mohammed Shami and Varun Aaron are out because of either inconsistency or injuries.

“India for the first time in their history produced four genuine fast bowlers in Umesh, Aaron, Ishant and Shami. Now where are they? Injury management has always been an issue with bowlers from these parts. Breakdown happens due to lifestyle, wrong training.

“But when I hear that Umesh is inconsistent, I get baffled. I mean if someone has genuine ability to bowl quick, how much time it takes to correct the line and length? At the most 3-6 months. Not a day more than that if you are sincere and attentive. If anyone tells me that Umesh, if told to land on a particular spot can’t do after being told repeatedly, then I think there is some problem with either his intent or his coach’s ability to make him understand,” Aaqib said in a frank assessment.

Aaqib even termed 37-year-old Ashish Nehra as a short term solution to India’s fast bowling problems.

“The best part about T20 cricket is that you can play this format for a long time even if you have aged. What do you need to do in a T20? Just bowl 24 deliveries and field for 16 overs. You don’t need any extra-ordinary fitness for playing T20. Ashish has experience and that’s helping him. But I believe, he will struggle even in 50 overs leave aside days’ cricket,” he said.

He is ready to forgive Mohammed Amir but said his stance about corrupt practices remains the same.

Asked if he has forgiven Amir, Aaqib said: “Forgiving or not forgiving is a different issue. That he has been forgiven is the reason he is again playing the game and people are getting entertained.

“Nothing wrong in that but if someone in future does like what all Aamir did, my stance will remain the same as this is bad stuff and we should discourage these things. But I am not stubborn, now that he is back. Okay let’s move on and give him a chance.”

Aaqib is more unhappy at the thought of what he (Aamir) could have achieved in the five years he lost.

“What he showed in the past few matches, I am feeling so bad. In five years, he has missed 200 Test wickets and should have been leading Pakistan attack by now. He will in any case lead Pakistan attack for next 10 years.

“But had he not lost those five years, there was a possibility that he might have surpassed Wasim Akram with his qualities. But if he has been repentant and learnt from his mistakes, hope he will serve Pakistan cricket for long,” he concluded.


http://www.thehindu.com/sport/crick...is-action-says-aaqib-javed/article8305148.ece
 
Interesting point. Have felt similarly as well.
Let us hear more on Bumrah's action from other established pacers.
 
Some aggressive statements from Aaqib saab:hafeez

Aaqib saab sledging India after Pakistan in the last match:misbah
 
Aggressive statements but on target it seems. Bumrah has a tough action but India will take it as long as it lasts.
 
IAJ said:
Aggressive statements but on target it seems. Bumrah has a tough action but India will take it as long as it lasts.
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Wasim Akram has insisted and categorically said not to change his action and that its not going to result in injuries as bumrah is used to his action. I prefer to go with Wasim
 
Stark said:
Interesting point. Have felt similarly as well.
Let us hear more on Bumrah's action from other established pacers.
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street cricketer said:
Some aggressive statements from Aaqib saab:hafeez

Aaqib saab sledging India after Pakistan in the last match:misbah
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Aaqib destroyed a generation of bowlers at the NCA turning into the cricket Stasi and 'correcting' people's actions.

If you know what's go for you , you won't listen.
 
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Unlike many, I believe Aaqib has made invaluable contribution to Pakistan's bowling talent in the last decade. Countless stories of how he has taken bowlers from poor social backgrounds and invested time and energy in them - to make them the best they can be.

Contrast that with some of our other former players and their roles in the PCB.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Unlike many, I believe Aaqib has made invaluable contribution to Pakistan's bowling talent in the last decade. Countless stories of how he has taken bowlers from poor social backgrounds and invested time and energy in them - to make them the best they can be.

Contrast that with some of our other former players and their roles in the PCB.
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I agree. Specifically his work with Irfan and Wahab Riaz.
 
People blame Aqib for destroying Anwar Ali, but truth be told, his U19 action really looked like a recipe for disaster.

Bumrah is just another in the recent crops of Indian fast bowlers, most of whom shine when they first come in but than slowly vanish in thin air...Hope that doesnt happen with this kid.
 
This is an injury-prone action. With this kind of action, I don’t see him playing 10 years of injury-free international cricket.
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Shelf life of an Indian fast bowler is two years, so we are good :)
 
I wonder how aqib changed his statement regarding amir.. does it have anything to do with his name in circulation for waqars replacement?

I have nothing against aaqib.. I think he would do better than waqar but I think its time to move away from this head coach mentality.. lets have a team director who manages various expert coaches for their respective disciplines. So a fast bowling coach, a spin coach, a batting coach and each having a couple of assistants who are responsible for A / B teams and NCA. Aaqib could become fast bowling coach considering he has massive experience of coaching.

Good thing about this approach is that they will have a regular eye on ground level cricket plus specialization helps. And team director is responsible for putting strategy together looking at pitches, analytics, opposition.
 
Aapqib is the one who changed Anwar Ali's action and converted him into a harmless trundler.

Bumrah would do well to not give any importance to his opinion
 
He is not much wrong about bumrah though , he cant sustain it long enough without injuries. Best of luck to hum though.
 
This obsession with prolonging careers of fast bowlers and them wanting to play "ten years of injury free international cricket" is the sole reason why our trundler brigade exists.

If I had any powers to make decisions at the BCCI, I would tell every young fast bowler to go full tilt and target a 4-5 year career instead of 10-15. And I will pay them what they will earn in 10 years time in those 5 years. The people running BCCI are absolute clowns.
 
Taskin and Mustafizur have looked more injury prone than Bumrah!

Bumrah did have a bad injury and was out of cricket for a long time in 2014-2015. Has come back stronger since then. He may not much of a future as a Test match bowler but should do well in shorter formats if managed well.
 
I dont think Bumrah will become a test bowler for us, but I believe his action will good enough for ODIs and T20s. Having said that, our bowlers form dont last more than 2 years. So, lets see if he is around for the next T20.

As for Aaqib, a greater bowler (Wasim Akram) does not necessarily make a better coach.
 
Who would want to listen to aqib the serial action changer

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Please India take Aaqib Javed and have him work his expertise on your bowlers!!!
 
Ensuring that a fast bowler has smooth action is one of the most basic things taught at junior level coaching.

This doesn't mean that his altered action should lose all pace and swing.

It's only speculation that the work Aqib Javed did with Anwar was the reason he lost his swing. Such kind of comments don't make any sense and lack cricket insight.

Junaid Khan too swung the ball like crazy in that Anay Do series. Apart from that, he's never swung the ball an inch.

Doesn't mean someone worked with Junaid to alter his action.

Anwar Ali always was an extremely poor trundler and that U19 spell was as fluke as Junaid's AnayDo spell.

Asad Ali, Mir Hamza etc. all swing the ball miles in domestic cricket but can't do jack with the Kookaburra specially under nonswing conditions. Anwar is in the same mould.
 
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Hawkeye said:
Ensuring that a fast bowler has smooth action is one of the most basic things taught at junior level coaching.

This doesn't mean that his altered action should lose all pace and swing.

It's only speculation that the work Aqib Javed did with Anwar was the reason he lost his swing. Such kind of comments don't make any sense and lack cricket insight.

Junaid Khan too swung the ball like crazy in that Anay Do series. Apart from that, he's never swung the ball an inch.

Doesn't mean someone worked with Junaid to alter his action.

Anwar Ali always was an extremely poor trundler and that U19 spell was as fluke as Junaid's AnayDo spell.

Asad Ali, Mir Hamza etc. all swing the ball miles in domestic cricket but can't do jack with the Kookaburra specially under nonswing conditions. Anwar is in the same mould.
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Can someone please explain what factors determine the amount of swing a bowler gets?
 
Al Amin has a similar action like Boomro, hope Al Amin's career comes to an end as well. We need built guys like Taskin.
 
As long as Bumrah is great for us in ODIs and T20s it's great .

The most important think is how good he will be in the T20 world next for weeks.

We can worry about finding quality test bowlers for overseas when have those tours in 2018
 
Moh@n said:
This obsession with prolonging careers of fast bowlers and them wanting to play "ten years of injury free international cricket" is the sole reason why our trundler brigade exists.

If I had any powers to make decisions at the BCCI, I would tell every young fast bowler to go full tilt and target a 4-5 year career instead of 10-15. And I will pay them what they will earn in 10 years time in those 5 years. The people running BCCI are absolute clowns.
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and pay for spine/knee injuries and caring home costs too... Good one.
 
Good points from Aqib but we already know that. We have bowlers with us and they have started emerging now. We will soon have a very good crop of pace bowlers in all formats.

Aqib said it is just a matter of 6 months to tell a bowler what length to bowl otherwise he is not sincere, Agreed.

But tell the same thing to your batsman as well, tell them to stick to your basics which they cant do well. So now either your batsman are not sincere or your coaches cant tell them batting basics, thats why you have a minnow like batting.

Thing is everyone needs improvement in all departments. In India at least we have seen improvement in bowling but has it been the same case with Pak batting? Nah!
 
Jokes aside

This action will result in major issues in the long run. But changing his action all of a sudden will not do any justice to him as his bowling muscles are used to that specific kind of bowling.

Lets see how long he can last with this action. I wish him all the best
 
MenInG said:
and pay for spine/knee injuries and caring home costs too... Good one.
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All I am suggesting is that there needs to be an incentive for youngsters to take up fast bowling as a career, because every kid in this country wants to be a batsman.

And by fast bowling I mean genuine quick bowlers, not the army of trundlers we current have.
 
Moh@n said:
All I am suggesting is that there needs to be an incentive for youngsters to take up fast bowling as a career, because every kid in this country wants to be a batsman.

And by fast bowling I mean genuine quick bowlers, not the army of trundlers we current have.
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Err, what trundler brigade do we have now?
 
karthikc said:
Aaqib, who played a lot of cricket with Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis, also feels that Bangladeshi youngsters Taskin Ahmed and Mustafizur Rahaman are “more talented than Bumrah“.

“Mustafiz and Taskin are both 20-year-olds and look at their quality. Taskin regularly hits 145 kmph mark and Mustafiz has such amazing variations. Bumrah at best is a fast medium bowler and team expects him to get a wicket or two and hurl a few in the block hole at the death. Now that will make him a good Twenty20 bowler but beyond that I don’t know,” Aaqib said.



http://www.thehindu.com/sport/crick...is-action-says-aaqib-javed/article8305148.ece
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Bumrah is just another bowler in the long list of one-season wonders for India. He'll have vanished by this time next year. How can you even compare him to Mustafizur or Taskin? As for his action don't worry Soumya and Tamim will beat him into changing his action on Sunday.
 
Dios said:
Bumrah is just another bowler in the long list of one-season wonders for India. He'll have vanished by this time next year. How can you even compare him to Mustafizur or Taskin? As for his action don't worry Soumya and Tamim will beat him into changing his action on Sunday.
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Yupp but our one season wonders got us 2 ODI WCs (Sandhu in 83, Munaf in 2011)
1 T20 WC (Joginder Sharma)
Ct (Bhuvi)

What have your Taskins and Mustis got You?

Babaji ka Thullu?
 
karthikc said:
Can someone please explain what factors determine the amount of swing a bowler gets?
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Apart from the wrist position and how a bowler holds plus delivers the seam, it also depends on conditions (humidity, temperature etc).
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] might be able to write a detailed post.
 
Hawkeye said:
Ensuring that a fast bowler has smooth action is one of the most basic things taught at junior level coaching.

This doesn't mean that his altered action should lose all pace and swing.

It's only speculation that the work Aqib Javed did with Anwar was the reason he lost his swing. Such kind of comments don't make any sense and lack cricket insight.

Junaid Khan too swung the ball like crazy in that Anay Do series. Apart from that, he's never swung the ball an inch.

Doesn't mean someone worked with Junaid to alter his action.

Anwar Ali always was an extremely poor trundler and that U19 spell was as fluke as Junaid's AnayDo spell.

Asad Ali, Mir Hamza etc. all swing the ball miles in domestic cricket but can't do jack with the Kookaburra specially under nonswing conditions. Anwar is in the same mould.
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Junaid seamed the ball off the pitch, didn't swing. He has never been able to swing it in the air.
 
nish_mate said:
Yupp but our one season wonders got us 2 ODI WCs (Sandhu in 83, Munaf in 2011)
1 T20 WC (Joginder Sharma)
Ct (Bhuvi)

What have your Taskins and Mustis got You?

Babaji ka Thullu?
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I think ghan with a ta would have been a better word.
 
Yes Aqib why dont you change Bumrah's action, You have ruined enough of our bowlers now do your country a favor and ruin a couple of Indians too.
 
Hawkeye said:
Apart from the wrist position and how a bowler holds plus delivers the seam, it also depends on conditions (humidity, temperature etc).
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] might be able to write a detailed post.
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It depends upon the atmosphere.

In (wet) cold condition the ball will swing the most.

In grounds which are closer to sea maximum reverse swing will happen provided the square is rough and dry.

Wrt bowlers skill level the closer a left arm balls near the stumps the more inswing he will get against a right hand batsman. Vice versa for Waqar, Steyn & Anderson getting outswing against right hand batsman.

Similarly for a left arm baller the more upright his arm during delivery stride is , the more he will get in swing against RHB.

For a left arm baller when he releases the ball his wrist should be facing leg slip for it to come back into RHB. Now how much swing he will get will depend firstly on weather. In gloomy weather it will swing more.

Another main main factor is the ball release. The more the upright seam the more the ball will swing. But the more there are reverse (opposite) revolutions/ anti clockwise revolutions the more the more the ball will swing and will swing more aswell as will swing late at the very last moment.


Now I tell you an exceptional case.

Mohammad Asif.


His arm is very straight which he delivers the ball. But he balls different variations.

He would ball a ball to RHB where seam would be upright (not as upright as Anderson or steyn) but facing slip. This ball will out swing ( it won't swing as much as Anderson or Steyn do).


Now he has a variation which many here call wobbly seam delivery. Anderson also bowls it. McGrath also bowled it (unintensionally) when the seam wasn't completely upright.


But Asif has a distinct Ability. He puts more opposite revolutions on this delivery and he does two tricks.

Once he would have his wrist facing first slip while delivering the ball and by the use of hand he would bowl this delivery which won't be as upright as his other delivery but would slightly wobble. Note if it wobbles more than neither it would swing nor it seam and would remain straight and your coach will tell you since your seam isn't upright hence it's not swinging nor seaming for you. Now the ball in the air slightly gets curved towards slip (outswing) and the bats is playing outswing but it pitches on the seam and seam is facing leg slip and it jags back and batsman gets wrapped on the pad or gets bowled or gets an inside edge.

Than Asif would bowl a similar bowl to left hander whereas now his wrist is pointed towards first slip for LHB Seam is slightly wobbly and more opposite revs on the ball. It cuts the air and slightly curves away in the air batsman and when it lands the seam faces leg slip and it jags back Into left hander and again chances of Lbw and bowled come into play.


Now what is not in control of Asif is that in what position the seam will land.

Imagine Sangakara facing Asif in Kandy. Now Asif is bowling an outswinger to him (with a wobbly seam). Now on instance where the ball pitches on Sean facing slip it will further seam away. While if it pitches facing leg slip it will jag back. Neither Sangakara nor Asif knows what it will do.

The quality and skill in hand of Asif is the ability to release the ball facing first slip or leg slip (wrist aids it) and the ability to wobble the Seam slightly.
(use of hand)


Now he is so accurate that he would bowl in good length plus he is tall so would get bounce too and batsman cannot leave his deliveries with surety that look it's outswing. So he plays with the mind of batsman.


This is why he used to laugh while beating batsman. A cunning laugh. Because he knew they were dancing to his tunes.


Now Sehwag, Tendulkar, Cameron White, Laxman, Dravid deliveries were special. Because they were attempted inswingers with seam marginally facing leg slip while ball was being released but the wobbly seam pitched with seam facing wide leg slip. And with so much opposite revolutions first it swing in air very late and than when it pitched it seamed back. And since it was pitched on a length where batsman isn't sure whether to play on the front foot or backfoot so it became doubly difficult to play it.


Being the Fan of magician I won't be elaborating how he used his hand such that not only the ball wobbles slightly but it also has more opposite revolutions.


Me knowing it doesn't make me Mohammad Asif or being able to compete with him because how will I be able to copy that action which allows me easy means of adjusting two ways wrt wrist position plus the straight arm and ability to bowl bowls after bowls in same good length spots.


It's his natural God given ability.


When he first toured Australia he did not impress much but his line and length were fine. But than he increased his opposite revs so swing aswell as late swing increased and than this wobbly seam delivery which happened in a domestic game with a random experiment and that experiment resulted in strange behaviour of the ball.


He will again be effective at this age provided his shoulders allow him to generate equal revs on the ball as in past. (Not talking about force to generate pace)


Lastly regarding swing what differentiates worldclass bowlers. You may ask that there are 4 left arm bowlers who have similar upright actions and same height and all can alter there wrist positions both ways but why A has got better SR than B, C, D ? Now comes the natural ability. Now a more talented fast bowler will amongst them will have more flexible and athletic physique aswell action which is biomechanics wise more efficient. His more biomechanically efficient action will help him lose lesser energy aswell make him more able than others to execute his planned line and lengths more often than others. He will be more accurate in his targets. If he is mentally more astute than it will further add to his ability. Because plans are made by brain and action will execute the plan. The more fit the more better execution.


Nobody would have taught 6 years Wasim Akram, Waqar, McGrath, Steyn, Anderson, Shane Bond, Hadlee, Ambrose etc to rotate their arms in a certain way to mimic the action they are taught but you are just told your left arm will be raised and right arm will come from bottom to top in a rotational movement of arm and you will deliver the ball.


So those who say Talent is over rated are wrong. Talent is the main thing which makes great batsman or great bowlers along with many other factors. But if you don't have high class talent than you cannot become Great player.

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TalentSpotterPk said:
It depends upon the atmosphere.

Mohammad Asif.

But Asif has a distinct Ability. He puts more opposite revolutions on this delivery and he does two tricks.

This is why he used to laugh while beating batsman. A cunning laugh. Because he knew they were dancing to his tunes.

Being the Fan of magician I won't be elaborating how he used his hand such that not only the ball wobbles slightly but it also has more opposite revolutions.

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Thanks for the beautiful writeup!! Hats off to you sir!

On Asif, anyone who has tried to ball fast knows how difficult it is to control the wobbles or even the amount of revolutions you put on a ball. The amount of revs especially is natural ability. I can only admire the guys who can change the revs on demand and within the same over. I have tried myself but have never succeeded to slow mine down.

And this is why Asif is one of the best bowlers i have ever seen. He is pure artistry in motion. And the fats bowler i miss watching the most. Each of his balls is a sight to behold. Especially for the amateur fast bowlers amongst us. :)
 
tonmoy said:
People blame Aqib for destroying Anwar Ali, but truth be told, his U19 action really looked like a recipe for disaster.

Bumrah is just another in the recent crops of Indian fast bowlers, most of whom shine when they first come in but than slowly vanish in thin air...Hope that doesnt happen with this kid.
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What was wrong with his action? Enlighten us.
 
Hawkeye said:
Ensuring that a fast bowler has smooth action is one of the most basic things taught at junior level coaching.

This doesn't mean that his altered action should lose all pace and swing.

It's only speculation that the work Aqib Javed did with Anwar was the reason he lost his swing. Such kind of comments don't make any sense and lack cricket insight.

Junaid Khan too swung the ball like crazy in that Anay Do series. Apart from that, he's never swung the ball an inch.

Doesn't mean someone worked with Junaid to alter his action.

Anwar Ali always was an extremely poor trundler and that U19 spell was as fluke as Junaid's AnayDo spell.

Asad Ali, Mir Hamza etc. all swing the ball miles in domestic cricket but can't do jack with the Kookaburra specially under nonswing conditions. Anwar is in the same mould.
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Junaid got conditions in Aane Do series. Asad Ali, Mir Hamza and Ehsan Adil etc exploit under prepared pitches and weather conditions to their advantage.

Anwar Ali always had a good inswinger even on flat pitches. His action was changed sp he can bowl outswing as well and in the process, he lost his inswing and dropped his pace as well.

It happens. I used to be a leg break bowler with no googly. My uncle taught me how to bowl a googly. I started practicing googly all the time and it made lose my grip and turn on conventional leg break.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
It depends upon the atmosphere.

In (wet) cold condition the ball will swing the most.

In grounds which are closer to sea maximum reverse swing will happen provided the square is rough and dry.

Wrt bowlers skill level the closer a left arm balls near the stumps the more inswing he will get against a right hand batsman. Vice versa for Waqar, Steyn & Anderson getting outswing against right hand batsman.

Similarly for a left arm baller the more upright his arm during delivery stride is , the more he will get in swing against RHB.

For a left arm baller when he releases the ball his wrist should be facing leg slip for it to come back into RHB. Now how much swing he will get will depend firstly on weather. In gloomy weather it will swing more.

Another main main factor is the ball release. The more the upright seam the more the ball will swing. But the more there are reverse (opposite) revolutions/ anti clockwise revolutions the more the more the ball will swing and will swing more aswell as will swing late at the very last moment.


Now I tell you an exceptional case.

Mohammad Asif.


His arm is very straight which he delivers the ball. But he balls different variations.

He would ball a ball to RHB where seam would be upright (not as upright as Anderson or steyn) but facing slip. This ball will out swing ( it won't swing as much as Anderson or Steyn do).


Now he has a variation which many here call wobbly seam delivery. Anderson also bowls it. McGrath also bowled it (unintensionally) when the seam wasn't completely upright.


But Asif has a distinct Ability. He puts more opposite revolutions on this delivery and he does two tricks.

Once he would have his wrist facing first slip while delivering the ball and by the use of hand he would bowl this delivery which won't be as upright as his other delivery but would slightly wobble. Note if it wobbles more than neither it would swing nor it seam and would remain straight and your coach will tell you since your seam isn't upright hence it's not swinging nor seaming for you. Now the ball in the air slightly gets curved towards slip (outswing) and the bats is playing outswing but it pitches on the seam and seam is facing leg slip and it jags back and batsman gets wrapped on the pad or gets bowled or gets an inside edge.

Than Asif would bowl a similar bowl to left hander whereas now his wrist is pointed towards first slip for LHB Seam is slightly wobbly and more opposite revs on the ball. It cuts the air and slightly curves away in the air batsman and when it lands the seam faces leg slip and it jags back Into left hander and again chances of Lbw and bowled come into play.


Now what is not in control of Asif is that in what position the seam will land.

Imagine Sangakara facing Asif in Kandy. Now Asif is bowling an outswinger to him (with a wobbly seam). Now on instance where the ball pitches on Sean facing slip it will further seam away. While if it pitches facing leg slip it will jag back. Neither Sangakara nor Asif knows what it will do.

The quality and skill in hand of Asif is the ability to release the ball facing first slip or leg slip (wrist aids it) and the ability to wobble the Seam slightly.
(use of hand)


Now he is so accurate that he would bowl in good length plus he is tall so would get bounce too and batsman cannot leave his deliveries with surety that look it's outswing. So he plays with the mind of batsman.


This is why he used to laugh while beating batsman. A cunning laugh. Because he knew they were dancing to his tunes.


Now Sehwag, Tendulkar, Cameron White, Laxman, Dravid deliveries were special. Because they were attempted inswingers with seam marginally facing leg slip while ball was being released but the wobbly seam pitched with seam facing wide leg slip. And with so much opposite revolutions first it swing in air very late and than when it pitched it seamed back. And since it was pitched on a length where batsman isn't sure whether to play on the front foot or backfoot so it became doubly difficult to play it.


Being the Fan of magician I won't be elaborating how he used his hand such that not only the ball wobbles slightly but it also has more opposite revolutions.


Me knowing it doesn't make me Mohammad Asif or being able to compete with him because how will I be able to copy that action which allows me easy means of adjusting two ways wrt wrist position plus the straight arm and ability to bowl bowls after bowls in same good length spots.


It's his natural God given ability.


When he first toured Australia he did not impress much but his line and length were fine. But than he increased his opposite revs so swing aswell as late swing increased and than this wobbly seam delivery which happened in a domestic game with a random experiment and that experiment resulted in strange behaviour of the ball.


He will again be effective at this age provided his shoulders allow him to generate equal revs on the ball as in past. (Not talking about force to generate pace)


Lastly regarding swing what differentiates worldclass bowlers. You may ask that there are 4 left arm bowlers who have similar upright actions and same height and all can alter there wrist positions both ways but why A has got better SR than B, C, D ? Now comes the natural ability. Now a more talented fast bowler will amongst them will have more flexible and athletic physique aswell action which is biomechanics wise more efficient. His more biomechanically efficient action will help him lose lesser energy aswell make him more able than others to execute his planned line and lengths more often than others. He will be more accurate in his targets. If he is mentally more astute than it will further add to his ability. Because plans are made by brain and action will execute the plan. The more fit the more better execution.


Nobody would have taught 6 years Wasim Akram, Waqar, McGrath, Steyn, Anderson, Shane Bond, Hadlee, Ambrose etc to rotate their arms in a certain way to mimic the action they are taught but you are just told your left arm will be raised and right arm will come from bottom to top in a rotational movement of arm and you will deliver the ball.


So those who say Talent is over rated are wrong. Talent is the main thing which makes great batsman or great bowlers along with many other factors. But if you don't have high class talent than you cannot become Great player.

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Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.
 
I hope they don't ruin his bowling by making him play test cricket.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
It depends upon the atmosphere.

In (wet) cold condition the ball will swing the most.

In grounds which are closer to sea maximum reverse swing will happen provided the square is rough and dry.

Wrt bowlers skill level the closer a left arm balls near the stumps the more inswing he will get against a right hand batsman. Vice versa for Waqar, Steyn & Anderson getting outswing against right hand batsman.

Similarly for a left arm baller the more upright his arm during delivery stride is , the more he will get in swing against RHB.

For a left arm baller when he releases the ball his wrist should be facing leg slip for it to come back into RHB. Now how much swing he will get will depend firstly on weather. In gloomy weather it will swing more.

Another main main factor is the ball release. The more the upright seam the more the ball will swing. But the more there are reverse (opposite) revolutions/ anti clockwise revolutions the more the more the ball will swing and will swing more aswell as will swing late at the very last moment.


Now I tell you an exceptional case.

Mohammad Asif.


His arm is very straight which he delivers the ball. But he balls different variations.

He would ball a ball to RHB where seam would be upright (not as upright as Anderson or steyn) but facing slip. This ball will out swing ( it won't swing as much as Anderson or Steyn do).


Now he has a variation which many here call wobbly seam delivery. Anderson also bowls it. McGrath also bowled it (unintensionally) when the seam wasn't completely upright.


But Asif has a distinct Ability. He puts more opposite revolutions on this delivery and he does two tricks.

Once he would have his wrist facing first slip while delivering the ball and by the use of hand he would bowl this delivery which won't be as upright as his other delivery but would slightly wobble. Note if it wobbles more than neither it would swing nor it seam and would remain straight and your coach will tell you since your seam isn't upright hence it's not swinging nor seaming for you. Now the ball in the air slightly gets curved towards slip (outswing) and the bats is playing outswing but it pitches on the seam and seam is facing leg slip and it jags back and batsman gets wrapped on the pad or gets bowled or gets an inside edge.

Than Asif would bowl a similar bowl to left hander whereas now his wrist is pointed towards first slip for LHB Seam is slightly wobbly and more opposite revs on the ball. It cuts the air and slightly curves away in the air batsman and when it lands the seam faces leg slip and it jags back Into left hander and again chances of Lbw and bowled come into play.


Now what is not in control of Asif is that in what position the seam will land.

Imagine Sangakara facing Asif in Kandy. Now Asif is bowling an outswinger to him (with a wobbly seam). Now on instance where the ball pitches on Sean facing slip it will further seam away. While if it pitches facing leg slip it will jag back. Neither Sangakara nor Asif knows what it will do.

The quality and skill in hand of Asif is the ability to release the ball facing first slip or leg slip (wrist aids it) and the ability to wobble the Seam slightly.
(use of hand)


Now he is so accurate that he would bowl in good length plus he is tall so would get bounce too and batsman cannot leave his deliveries with surety that look it's outswing. So he plays with the mind of batsman.


This is why he used to laugh while beating batsman. A cunning laugh. Because he knew they were dancing to his tunes.


Now Sehwag, Tendulkar, Cameron White, Laxman, Dravid deliveries were special. Because they were attempted inswingers with seam marginally facing leg slip while ball was being released but the wobbly seam pitched with seam facing wide leg slip. And with so much opposite revolutions first it swing in air very late and than when it pitched it seamed back. And since it was pitched on a length where batsman isn't sure whether to play on the front foot or backfoot so it became doubly difficult to play it.


Being the Fan of magician I won't be elaborating how he used his hand such that not only the ball wobbles slightly but it also has more opposite revolutions.


Me knowing it doesn't make me Mohammad Asif or being able to compete with him because how will I be able to copy that action which allows me easy means of adjusting two ways wrt wrist position plus the straight arm and ability to bowl bowls after bowls in same good length spots.


It's his natural God given ability.


When he first toured Australia he did not impress much but his line and length were fine. But than he increased his opposite revs so swing aswell as late swing increased and than this wobbly seam delivery which happened in a domestic game with a random experiment and that experiment resulted in strange behaviour of the ball.


He will again be effective at this age provided his shoulders allow him to generate equal revs on the ball as in past. (Not talking about force to generate pace)


Lastly regarding swing what differentiates worldclass bowlers. You may ask that there are 4 left arm bowlers who have similar upright actions and same height and all can alter there wrist positions both ways but why A has got better SR than B, C, D ? Now comes the natural ability. Now a more talented fast bowler will amongst them will have more flexible and athletic physique aswell action which is biomechanics wise more efficient. His more biomechanically efficient action will help him lose lesser energy aswell make him more able than others to execute his planned line and lengths more often than others. He will be more accurate in his targets. If he is mentally more astute than it will further add to his ability. Because plans are made by brain and action will execute the plan. The more fit the more better execution.


Nobody would have taught 6 years Wasim Akram, Waqar, McGrath, Steyn, Anderson, Shane Bond, Hadlee, Ambrose etc to rotate their arms in a certain way to mimic the action they are taught but you are just told your left arm will be raised and right arm will come from bottom to top in a rotational movement of arm and you will deliver the ball.


So those who say Talent is over rated are wrong. Talent is the main thing which makes great batsman or great bowlers along with many other factors. But if you don't have high class talent than you cannot become Great player.

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Potw stuff eventhough i don't agree with "talent" stuff in the last line i believe evolving>talent although both aren't mutually exclusive.
 
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Potw stuff eventhough i don't agree with "talent" stuff in the last line i believe evolving>talent although both aren't mutually exclusive.
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If you are a world class talent than it is not a necessity that you will become a world class player. As I said there are other factors aswell.

For example Imran Nazir was a world class talent but he was not intelligent enough mentally rather was poor. Hence his shot selection was not upto the mark and he used to throw many good starts and was not consistent because of poor shot selection or wrong choices at wrong times.

Similarly Shane Bond was a world class talent. He was a 1000 international wickets material. Mentally he was right up there with the greats aswell skill wise but his fitness (body) did not allow him to become Great of the game.

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Harpoon said:
Thanks for the beautiful writeup!! Hats off to you sir!

On Asif, anyone who has tried to ball fast knows how difficult it is to control the wobbles or even the amount of revolutions you put on a ball. The amount of revs especially is natural ability. I can only admire the guys who can change the revs on demand and within the same over. I have tried myself but have never succeeded to slow mine down.

And this is why Asif is one of the best bowlers i have ever seen. He is pure artistry in motion. And the fats bowler i miss watching the most. Each of his balls is a sight to behold. Especially for the amateur fast bowlers amongst us. :)
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Thanks alot. Stay Blessed.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
If you are a world class talent than it is not a necessity that you will become a world class player. As I said there are other factors aswell.

For example Imran Nazir was a world class talent but he was not intelligent enough mentally rather was poor. Hence his shot selection was not upto the mark and he used to throw many good starts and was not consistent because of poor shot selection or wrong choices at wrong times.

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:O... and all the Umar Akmal threads ????
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Are those threads saying that Umar Akmal is a world class player ?

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Almost everyone on PP got that impression when you cherry pick particular stats to glorify the destroyed talent of Umar Akmal.

Anyway, regarding your statement if you dont have talent you can't become world class is something that cannot be vierfied. Because anyone proved himself at world stage is automatically a huge talent.

I can find a few people who were not "so talented" in the classical sense but rose high(punched well above their weights);
1. Lance Klusner
2. V Sehwag
3. Daniel Vettori
4. A. Kumble
 
anakin said:
Almost everyone on PP got that impression when you cherry pick particular stats to glorify the destroyed talent of Umar Akmal.

Anyway, regarding your statement if you dont have talent you can't become world class is something that cannot be vierfied. Because anyone proved himself at world stage is automatically a huge talent.

I can find a few people who were not "so talented" in the classical sense but rose high(punched well above their weights);
1. Lance Klusner
2. V Sehwag
3. Daniel Vettori
4. A. Kumble
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How do you define talent? This word gets thrown around a lot on this forum but what is talent? IMO talent is the abilty to be naturally good at something without any training or technique, if that's the case then sehwag most certainly doesn't deserve to be on that list, he was one of the most talented guys out there and even klusner is in sehwag category, I agree with kumble and vettori not being much talented but punching much above their weight
 
anakin said:
Almost everyone on PP got that impression when you cherry pick particular stats to glorify the destroyed talent of Umar Akmal.

Anyway, regarding your statement if you dont have talent you can't become world class is something that cannot be vierfied. Because anyone proved himself at world stage is automatically a huge talent.

I can find a few people who were not "so talented" in the classical sense but rose high(punched well above their weights);
1. Lance Klusner
2. V Sehwag
3. Daniel Vettori
4. A. Kumble
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First of all you should speak for your own self only and not try to become representatives of others.

Secondly please Google Quaid e Azam trophy 2015-2016 threads and see my posts regarding Umar Akmal there and than try to make a generalised impression about myself.

Thirdly Virender Sehwag is very talented. And if you aren't talented than you won't break into Indian team as a batsman. And if you won't translate that talent into required performances than if you aren't an allrounder like Jadega than you won't survive in Indian team. And Sehwag survived with A+ overall numbers.

Lance Klusener was very talented allrounder and you weren't born when he used to bowl 140 145 kph stuff. He lost pace too early because of his over use of slower bowl off cutters. He got addicted to this variation and than lost pace. It takes some talent to play those knocks in 1999 worldcup.

Kumble is a very intelligent, humble and hardworking person. His talent was his accurate line and length and the talent he lacked wrt spinning the bowl was compensated by use of intelligent mind. That showed in his batting aswell.

Daniel Vettori was a talented left arm spinner who was born in a wrong era at a wrong place. He did not have support of other bowlers in his peak years and when he did than he did not have the fitness. Also left arm spinners need gripping surfaces which rarely got in his peak years. Again very intelligent player and even with that technique he made useful contributions to NZ batting at many instances.

Vettori's biggest talent even until today is his ability to vary flight and pace of his deliveries. No spinner in world cricket has better talent than him in this area even today.


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Aqib is still 43 years old? He retired almost 20 years ago if I remember correctly. Did he retire in his early twenties?
 
Jin Chacha said:
Aqib is still 43 years old? He retired almost 20 years ago if I remember correctly. Did he retire in his early twenties?
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Played his last game for Pakistan in 1998-1999.

Played his last FC game in 2000-2001

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TalentSpotterPk said:
Played his last game for Pakistan in 1998-1999.

Played his last FC game in 2000-2001

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So he did retire at 26. Funny how things have changed. Most of our 'youngsters' these days are older than that when they make their debut.
 
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So he did retire at 26. Funny how things have changed. Most of our 'youngsters' these days are older than that when they make their debut.
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He and Basit joined hands with Rashid hence there career ended prematurely.

Losing Basit Ali was a huge loss for Pakistan cricket. He was a very good player who was developing into a fine fine player but than .............

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TalentSpotterPk said:
He and Basit joined hands with Rashid hence there career ended prematurely.

Losing Basit Ali was a huge loss for Pakistan cricket. He was a very good player who was developing into a fine fine player but than .............

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To be honest even if he hadn't joined Rashid, his career was pretty much over by the late 90s. He had lost his zip and was competing with the likes of Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Razzaq, Zahid, and Azhar Mahmood. Even bowlers like Muhammad Akram, Shabbir, Shahid Nazir and later on Sami were waiting in the wings so he couldn't have lasted much longer. Basit Ali was the real loss though. He was supposed to be Miandads replacement according to some.
 
Sensational talent, this Jasprit Bumrah. Got all the potential to become a legendary Indian medium fast bowler. :)
 
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“But when I hear that Umesh is inconsistent, I get baffled. I mean if someone has genuine ability to bowl quick, how much time it takes to correct the line and length? At the most 3-6 months. Not a day more than that if you are sincere and attentive. If anyone tells me that Umesh, if told to land on a particular spot can’t do after being told repeatedly, then I think there is some problem with either his intent or his coach’s ability to make him understand,” Aaqib said in a frank assessment.
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karthikc said:
What about Mohammad Sami? How long have we been working with him without being able to correct his line and length?
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f.b.m said:
I hope they don't ruin his bowling by making him play test cricket.
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Come on. Then why is he playing FC cricket in the first place? Every bowler should have a dream of playing Test cricket, he would be dreaming too, and you don't want him to play at the highest level?
 
Mashallah Scored a 51* Today made his ancestors proud

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Jin Chacha said:
To be honest even if he hadn't joined Rashid, his career was pretty much over by the late 90s. He had lost his zip and was competing with the likes of Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Razzaq, Zahid, and Azhar Mahmood. Even bowlers like Muhammad Akram, Shabbir, Shahid Nazir and later on Sami were waiting in the wings so he couldn't have lasted much longer. Basit Ali was the real loss though. He was supposed to be Miandads replacement according to some.
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Why did he retire?

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So he scored his fifty and second official fifty he is going to score on 19 inshallah umar will destroy this phast bowler
 
Ahh.. the utter sense of joy at the assumed downfall of an Indian pacer :82:
 
Pakistan bowlers can learn a lot from him how to bowl yorkers in the death overs. He was world-class against Bangladesh.

Underrated bowler
 
Is this action legal? Bumrah against WI today..

Sorry if i am wasting a thread, but is that elbow positioning
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legal? Bumrah in the 16th over against WI today.


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Doesn't show anything. I think he has a weird action, somewhat similar to Al-Amin from Bangladesh, which makes it look suspect, but I reckon he's fine to be honest. There are a lot of other bowlers in India that should be tested, don't see Bumrah being one of them.
 
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