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Is Jasprit Bumrah a match-winner for team India?

BreadPakoda said:
Quite rich coming from you.
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If that was the case why don’t akram say oh srinath is better omg venky praised is deadlier than Waqar lol

You don’t say someone is better than you unless you really believe it.

Cricketers all have an egO

All sports people have an ego
 
kron said:
If that was the case why don’t akram say oh srinath is better omg venky praised is deadlier than Waqar lol

You don’t say someone is better than you unless you really believe it.

Cricketers all have an egO

All sports people have an ego
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Yeah good point. Akram is the nicest guy out there but he’s genuine with his feedback / praise. Typically doesn’t pander to any audience.
 
kron said:
Bumrah is goat though? Best Asian bowler of all time

Don’t have to bring up stats when buffet already did that earlier

He is one win away from matching wasims 11 wins in sena conditions.

It’s not even close tbh.

You can argue semantics all you want but in terms of ability and impact none of the bowlers from Asia come close to bumrah.

But it’s ok continue.
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Sena conditions? The best conditions for bowling lol. Again what flex is this?

Learn to frame an argument first
 
TheSultan said:
Sena conditions? The best conditions for bowling lol. Again what flex is this?

Learn to frame an argument first
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What is you argument? I don’t see any.

First make one then come back to me

Ok include stats in Asia too. Makes no difference

Guess who is on top ? Bumrah

But Carry on.

And sena matters for Asian pacers because guess what? That is how Asian pacers are judged. By their ability to perform in sena conditions

If it was so easy why did Waqar average so bad in Aus and pretty average in SA?

Likewise for Sena pacers, performing in India, Pakistan and other top 2 nations matter more.

Well put it this way. Performance against top 4 nations is what matters

Wasim averaged 28 vs sewai
Waqar averaged 33 bang average vs SEWAI.

Bumrah is better on those metrics and Wasim and now waqar himself admitted that bumrah is better lol.

That’s all matters. Anyway buffet already posted stats. I can dig them up one by one if you want.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
How many series wins in SENA for so-called GOAT? How many 10 fers?
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More so than Wasim in aus
Also more wins in South Africa

Nz he hardly played

And England he has some catching up to do

So yea vs top sides he played better than diabetic wasim ever did

Kudos to Wasim for being so good with diabetes but bumrah is a level above
 
OP wonders Bumrah is a match winner or not, but has no problems in singing bhajans for Babar and Rizwan. 🐒 🐒
 
TheSultan said:
Lol - second hand account from Akash Chopra. And even then, what does that prove. We Pakistanis have something called etiquette in social circles, sometimes we like to overpraise to be kind to our guests.

So when were your beaten by stats, then we enter the next layer of the twighlight zone. Random statements from random ex-cricketers - like with Richie’s greatest hits!! 🤣

Change the record guys.

Out of all the greatest bowlers in test history. Name me one that hasn’t taken 10 wkts in a match. Most of them have done it at least 3 times.
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Comparisons with Wasim aside....Funniest thing about Waqar statement is that he mentioned Bumrah age saying Bumrah has great cricket intelligence for his age.

Waqar genuinely must think Bumrah is a 21 year old youngster beauty rather than a 32 year gearing up for retirement.

Reminds me of when Inzi called Arshad Khan a youngster
 
Jasprit Bumrah set to participate in Asia Cup, but might be rested from the 1st Test Vs West Indies. (PTI).
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Comparisons with Wasim aside....Funniest thing about Waqar statement is that he mentioned Bumrah age saying Bumrah has great cricket intelligence for his age.

Waqar genuinely must think Bumrah is a 21 year old youngster beauty rather than a 32 year gearing up for retirement.

Reminds me of when Inzi called Arshad Khan a youngster
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Lol This is my point though. Waqar’s statement is throwaway ettiquette for someone much younger than them. He’s clearly not thought it through or even desire to - don’t blame him.

When I see a kid with a bit of ability - for encouragement to the bacha, I’ll say to his dad - “the kid is good, much better than I ever was”. Deep down I know he couldn’t lace my boots, but it’s not about me anymore and I’ve got nothing to prove!
 
RKhan_Cricket said:
"Well the last I checked his 5-fers I saw 4 losses with it. That’s not dominance, that’s just tragic. Keep your ‘hero stats’ to yourself, Mr. Almost.
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You do realize Wasim has 6 and Imran 5?

And in Asia, a further 1 and 2 while Bumrah has ZERO?

Lol, what a self goal.
 
This is the most expensive spell by him in T20I Cricket the powerplay, conceding 34 runs in 3 overs.
 
RKhan_Cricket said:
"Well the last I checked his 5-fers I saw 4 losses with it. That’s not dominance, that’s just tragic. Keep your ‘hero stats’ to yourself, Mr. Almost.
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Based on this logic wasim and waqar are way worse as they have more 5-fers in defeats. So agreed
 
Bumrah strikes again, his 101st T20I wicke, as a sharp short ball forces Maharaj into a simple glove to Jitesh, putting India firmly on top.
 
Ball Blazer said:
Bumrah strikes again, his 101st T20I wicke, as a sharp short ball forces Maharaj into a simple glove to Jitesh, putting India firmly on top.
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Taking Maharaja wicket can't be that big a deal, but I was just looking at 100+ wickets sorted by ER.

Pacers with 100+ wickets in T20: sorted by ER - Bumrah just stands out despite playing when scoring rates have gone up. ER is lower by more than 1 from the second best in history.
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Even with 50+ cut off, no one is close.

Pacers with 50+ T20 wickets: sorted by ER
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I have put him as the the hardest pacer to hit and data supports that view as well.
 
Buffet said:
Taking Maharaja wicket can't be that big a deal, but I was just looking at 100+ wickets sorted by ER.

Pacers with 100+ wickets in T20: sorted by ER - Bumrah just stands out despite playing when scoring rates have gone up. ER is lower by more than 1 from the second best in history.
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Even with 50+ cut off, no one is close.

Pacers with 50+ T20 wickets: sorted by ER
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I have put him as the the hardest pacer to hit and data supports that view as well.
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I dunno about all this paper stuff, but all I remember is the last couple of games I watched of him, and one of our tullahs smacked him all over the park.

A lot of batsmen seem to be falling to the hype, stop giving him so much respect and start bullying him, he’ll turn in to a ***** cat
 
TheSultan said:
I dunno about all this paper stuff, but all I remember is the last couple of games I watched of him, and one of our tullahs smacked him all over the park.

A lot of batsmen seem to be falling to the hype, stop giving him so much respect and start bullying him, he’ll turn in to a ***** cat
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He’s no tullah. He’s already one of Pak’s cricketing GOATs after hitting a few sixes to Bumrah. Heard there’s a documentary made on him in Pakistan. He’s a national hero who deserves your respect.
 
BreadPakoda said:
He’s no tullah. He’s already one of Pak’s cricketing GOATs after hitting a few sixes to Bumrah. Heard there’s a documentary made on him in Pakistan. He’s a national hero who deserves your respect.
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I never said I didn’t respect him, I’m just pointing out that someone with a good eye and limited technique can take down Bumrah if they back themselves.
 
TheSultan said:
I never said I didn’t respect him, I’m just pointing out that someone with a good eye and limited technique can take down Bumrah if they back themselves.
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He’s not a random “someone”. He’s one of your best ever. How many Pakistani cricketers have had documentaries made on them?
 
TheSultan said:
I never said I didn’t respect him, I’m just pointing out that someone with a good eye and limited technique can take down Bumrah if they back themselves.
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Glenn McGrath must have been such a mediocre bowler - even a hack like Abdul Razzak hit him for 5 fours in an over
 
NishanKonar said:
Glenn McGrath must have been such a mediocre bowler - even a hack like Abdul Razzak hit him for 5 fours in an over
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Great effort - but Razzi did it once. Farhan did it 3 games in a row.

Having said that, I do feel more batsmen should have tried to take McGrath down - he couldn’t take being hit or given some lip back. Sarwan nearly reduced him to tears when he responded to his insults.
 
TheSultan said:
Why are you guys always crying. Where it’s warranted, I am scathing in my assessment of not only Indian but also Pakistani players.

Get some thicker skin
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What are you on? Indians ruthlessly criticize their bowlers like Prasidh Krishna, Harshit Rana, etc.
 
TheSultan said:
I never said I didn’t respect him, I’m just pointing out that someone with a good eye and limited technique can take down Bumrah if they back themselves.
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Bumrah himself has a test record of maximum runs in one over against Broad. He has smashed Cummins for sixes as well. Karun Nair blitzed Bumrah apart in the 2025 IPL. Many.nonname guys have done that. Heck even a Bd player hit him for six. It is not ahard thing to do especially on slow Dubai surface. Wonder why he couldn't dominate Dube. Lol Dube is someone who conceded 34 runs in one over. He totally owned you guys.
 
BreadPakoda said:
What are you on? Indians ruthlessly criticize their bowlers like Prasidh Krishna, Harshit Rana, etc.
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I didn’t say you didn’t - I said you guys are always crying

And if you read your post again, you’ll understand why
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Bumrah himself has a test record of maximum runs in one over against Broad. He has smashed Cummins for sixes as well. Karun Nair blitzed Bumrah apart in the 2025 IPL. Many.nonname guys have done that. Heck even a Bd player hit him for six. It is not ahard thing to do especially on slow Dubai surface. Wonder why he couldn't dominate Dube. Lol Dube is someone who conceded 34 runs in one over. He totally owned you guys.
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Ok, so he can be hit, and that was my point, someone said he couldn’t be hit, and I pointed it out.

And you’ve just backed me up - thanks for having my back
 
TheSultan said:
Ok, so he can be hit, and that was my point, someone said he couldn’t be hit, and I pointed it out.

And you’ve just backed me up - thanks for having my back
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Any bowler can be hit. This is not a secret. Any batsman can fluke a few fours.
 
Bumrah is quality but not quantity. He doesn’t have 80 wickets vs Zimbabwe and Bangladesh at 15 like say, a Waqar has.

Until he picks that many, how will Zimbabwe and Bangladesh fans remember Bumrah as better than Waqar? Obviously they won’t.
 
TheSultan said:
I dunno about all this paper stuff, but all I remember is the last couple of games I watched of him, and one of our tullahs smacked him all over the park.

A lot of batsmen seem to be falling to the hype, stop giving him so much respect and start bullying him, he’ll turn in to a ***** cat
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If lots of batsmen are simply failing for hype in entire history of T20 cricket to have such a large gap between 1st and 2nd best then explanation is not hype. Hype does not help anyone for 100+ games.

It's not paper stuff, it's an actual output which combines lot of batsmen falling for hype + your tullahs smacking him ( your words for both sets). This happens with all bowlers. They get hit and they have good days. And if you stand out by such a big margin in aggregate ER in entire history then it tells you something.
 
TheSultan said:
Ok, so he can be hit, and that was my point, someone said he couldn’t be hit, and I pointed it out.

And you’ve just backed me up - thanks for having my back
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Reading comprehension issue. I did not say he couldn't be hit. I said he is hardest to hit. Hadest to hit can be hit many times, best batsman can fail many times, best keeper can drop some catches and so on.

Hardest is hit or easiest to hit is not based on 2-3 games. You should take entire career or large data sets like 50 or 100 games. That's not paper stuff, that's basic stats.
 
It seems like multiple Indian fans have circled in @TheSultan and he is having hard time defending himself. Needs support from little brother, Sweep Shot and the wannabe Australian GenZ, Momonsaigol.
:wy
 
Yeah he won games but he also vanished in many games as well... Equal equal
 
TheSultan said:
Why are you guys always crying. Where it’s warranted, I am scathing in my assessment of not only Indian but also Pakistani players.

Get some thicker skin
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Love that when your low IQ points are torn to shreds, you accuse others of crying. When it's obvious you are the one who has been crying non stop about bumrah right from a long time and coming up with nonsense points.

Which is a pity as you are usually very knowledgeable when it comes to discussing fast bowlers and I respect your points on that. But bumrah is a bit of a blind spot for you and example of how biasedness ruins logic
 
BouncerGuy said:
Yeah he won games but he also vanished in many games as well... Equal equal
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Lol. He has won overseas serieses and was man of the series in the T20 world cup we won recently. How many bowlers have done that in history? How many asian fast bowlers have done that?

It's weird on one hand you downplay bumrah but on other you consider him a God who should perform every single match despite him being a bowler who averages below 20 in multiple formats and having won multiple series and cups for us.

You hold bumrah to different standards than any other asian bowler in cricket history. Which shows how great you think he is.
 
Sachin fan said:
Lol. He has won overseas serieses and was man of the series in the T20 world cup we won recently. How many bowlers have done that in history? How many asian fast bowlers have done that?

It's weird on one hand you downplay bumrah but on other you consider him a God who should perform every single match despite him being a bowler who averages below 20 in multiple formats and having won multiple series and cups for us.

You hold bumrah to different standards than any other asian bowler in cricket history. Which shows how great you think he is.
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Didn't he vanish during your recent home series???

stop crying if you cannot hear a word of criticism..
 
BouncerGuy said:
Yeah he won games but he also vanished in many games as well... Equal equal
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Well if you don't have a fielders that is the side effect. Some of the matches could have been won if only they didn't shell catch after catch exclusively off his bowling. Even in WC 2023 final very first ball Warner was dropped. Besides 90% of the recent matches were lost due to batting failure not bowling failures.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Didn't he vanish during your recent home series???

stop crying if you cannot hear a word of criticism..
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Lol, even a so called hack like Afridi has won the player of the tournament as part of a t20 World Cup (for his bowling moreso than batting) and bruv over here is using that as some kind of a flex :wenger

Bumrah is an awesome talent and a damn good bowler but my god, it's funny to see the usual poster getting triggered again and again. :afridi
 
Independent Observer said:
Lol, even a so called hack like Afridi has won the player of the tournament as part of a t20 World Cup (for his bowling moreso than batting) and bruv over here is using that as some kind of a flex :wenger

Bumrah is an awesome talent and a damn good bowler but my god, it's funny to see the usual poster getting triggered again and again. :afridi
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Afridi is an ATG t20 player, that’s basic knowledge.
 
Buffet said:
If lots of batsmen are simply failing for hype in entire history of T20 cricket to have such a large gap between 1st and 2nd best then explanation is not hype. Hype does not help anyone for 100+ games.

It's not paper stuff, it's an actual output which combines lot of batsmen falling for hype + your tullahs smacking him ( your words for both sets). This happens with all bowlers. They get hit and they have good days. And if you stand out by such a big margin in aggregate ER in entire history then it tells you something.
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It’s all paper - I really wish at some point Indians get away from this head shaking stats stereotype. Think of something new man, live in the real world.


Ab Fan said:
It seems like multiple Indian fans have circled in @TheSultan and he is having hard time defending himself. Needs support from little brother, Sweep Shot and the wannabe Australian GenZ, Momonsaigol.
:wy
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It’s all good , I can handle all my fans. Unfortunately I do not have time to respond every second of the day, life and sleep get in the way.
 
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Sachin fan said:
Love that when your low IQ points are torn to shreds, you accuse others of crying. When it's obvious you are the one who has been crying non stop about bumrah right from a long time and coming up with nonsense points.

Which is a pity as you are usually very knowledgeable when it comes to discussing fast bowlers and I respect your points on that. But bumrah is a bit of a blind spot for you and example of how biasedness ruins logic
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I appreciate your respect. However, Bumrah is not a blind spot. In all honesty, Bumrah is not a bad bowler, he has some unique qualities as a bowler and I appreciate it. But, whenever a player is being overrated as some sort of goat based on some massaged stats - be it Bumrah, be it Shaheen, be it Babar in batting, I will give reality checks.

So apparently Bumrah is “the hardest to hit”. That’s a statemnt, not a fact, the fact is he may have one of the best economy rates. Fine. However, what the stats don’t tell you is whether he was hard to hit or whether batsmen were just waiting for his overs to pass by harmlessly and attacking others - based on an overhyped reputation. Eg 2023-2024, openers were still playing cautiously against Shaheen in his opening few overs because of his reputation - however, he was a shadow of the bowler he was in 2021 and early part of 2022. If they tried, they probably would have smacked him.

When someone made their mind to hit Bumrah, it was fairly easy, because he crumbled.

And it’s funny that Bumrah’s economy rate is being flexed now - he’s on the decline and only a blind man cannot see that.
 
A lot of posters here forget Bumrah was injured & out for nearly 3-4 months before he came back in May 2025. He is doing good so far, staying fit for important matches that's what matters in the end.
 
harshjoshi87 said:
A lot of posters here forget Bumrah was injured & out for nearly 3-4 months before he came back in May 2025. He is doing good so far, staying fit for important matches that's what matters in the end.
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Whenever he players, he usually does a good job for his team.
 
TheSultan said:
I appreciate your respect. However, Bumrah is not a blind spot. In all honesty, Bumrah is not a bad bowler, he has some unique qualities as a bowler and I appreciate it. But, whenever a player is being overrated as some sort of goat based on some massaged stats - be it Bumrah, be it Shaheen, be it Babar in batting, I will give reality checks.
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TheSultan said:
So apparently Bumrah is “the hardest to hit”. That’s a statemnt, not a fact, the fact is he may have one of the best economy rates. Fine. However, what the stats don’t tell you is whether he was hard to hit or whether batsmen were just waiting for his overs to pass by harmlessly and attacking others - based on an overhyped reputation. Eg 2023-2024, openers were still playing cautiously against Shaheen in his opening few overs because of his reputation - however, he was a shadow of the bowler he was in 2021 and early part of 2022. If they tried, they probably would have smacked him.

When someone made their mind to hit Bumrah, it was fairly easy, because he crumbled.

And it’s funny that Bumrah’s economy rate is being flexed now - he’s on the decline and only a blind man cannot see that.
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Cope harder.
 
TheSultan said:
I appreciate your respect. However, Bumrah is not a blind spot. In all honesty, Bumrah is not a bad bowler, he has some unique qualities as a bowler and I appreciate it. But, whenever a player is being overrated as some sort of goat based on some massaged stats - be it Bumrah, be it Shaheen, be it Babar in batting, I will give reality checks.

So apparently Bumrah is “the hardest to hit”. That’s a statemnt, not a fact, the fact is he may have one of the best economy rates. Fine. However, what the stats don’t tell you is whether he was hard to hit or whether batsmen were just waiting for his overs to pass by harmlessly and attacking others - based on an overhyped reputation. Eg 2023-2024, openers were still playing cautiously against Shaheen in his opening few overs because of his reputation - however, he was a shadow of the bowler he was in 2021 and early part of 2022. If they tried, they probably would have smacked him.

When someone made their mind to hit Bumrah, it was fairly easy, because he crumbled.

And it’s funny that Bumrah’s economy rate is being flexed now - he’s on the decline and only a blind man cannot see that.
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He is still the hardest to hit. Bumrah was easing into international cricket post injury. He never missed yorkers, lengths this badly in his career. Inspite of being at his worst he still finished an ER of 7.02 for this year. Hazlewood R is 7.37.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Not really, your argument was illogical so just pointed that out.
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Look, I get it. You came in here trying to be a hero who saves the day but you are missing the full context here.

Long story short in my short time here, I've come across discussions where various Indian posters (not you) have had no trouble bringing up how much of a hack Afridi was or sinking the boots in. So if we are using a t20 world cup player of the tournament award as a flex...well, I'm sure you can now figure out why I was having a bit of fun. You just took it literally. Have a good day, sir👍
 
Indians get quite sensitive over any criticism. There is no perfect bowler. Everyone has his flaws.

Bumrah is, of course, a match-winner because he has won India many matches, taking key wickets and changing the course of the game. But we should caveat it a bit.

He has been wrapped in cotton wool and generally plays on wickets deemed helpful. This is a reality.

In recent times, India has had to carry him in test series, and he has gone missing in key times. The stats look good, but lets dig deeper.

BGT in Aus - didn't bowl in key sessions. England lost the series
TAT in England - Sat out games, Siraj bowled heroically to get India a draw.
Bavuma - Tendulkar Series - India were chasing the match to avoid a series defeat, and the consensus was they shouldn't bowl Bumrah incase he gets injured.

Thats some significant series where he has been handicap for India.

I think some tough conversation will have to be had regarding what formats he plays.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Indians get quite sensitive over any criticism. There is no perfect bowler. Everyone has his flaws.

Bumrah is, of course, a match-winner because he has won India many matches, taking key wickets and changing the course of the game. But we should caveat it a bit.

He has been wrapped in cotton wool and generally plays on wickets deemed helpful. This is a reality.

In recent times, India has had to carry him in test series, and he has gone missing in key times. The stats look good, but lets dig deeper.

BGT in Aus - didn't bowl in key sessions. England lost the series
TAT in England - Sat out games, Siraj bowled heroically to get India a draw.
Bavuma - Tendulkar Series - India were chasing the match to avoid a series defeat, and the consensus was they shouldn't bowl Bumrah incase he gets injured.

Thats some significant series where he has been handicap for India.

I think some tough conversation will have to be had regarding what formats he plays.
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Bumrah should only play tests and ICC tournaments. No JAMODIs or JAMT20s or IPL. That’s how Aus operates with some of their pace bowlers too (some of who are equally brittle) and ultimately are the best in the business.
 
If he has to IPL for the money, he should play like Starc. At half the intensity. Get smashed by Rinkus and Tripathis during playoffs. And turn it on only in the SF/Finals.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Bumrah should only play tests and ICC tournaments. No JAMODIs or JAMT20s or IPL. That’s how Aus operates with some of their pace bowlers too (some of who are equally brittle) and ultimately are the best in the business.
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More likely at his age and indias upcoming fixtures that he will retire from test
 
Akash Chopra on commentary - "Bumrah ko marna itna aasan nehi hota. Kabhi lag gaya to log documentary bana lete hai"

Any guess whom he is referring to? 😂
 
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