Joe Biden says Pakistan may be ‘one of the most dangerous nations in the world’

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United States President Joe Biden said Pakistan may be “one of the most dangerous nations in the world” as the country has “nuclear weapons without any cohesion”, it emerged on Saturday.

He made the remarks while addressing a Democratic congressional campaign committee reception on Thursday.

A transcript of the address, published on the White House’s website, quoted Biden as saying: “… And what I think is maybe one of the most dangerous nations in the world: Pakistan. Nuclear weapons without any cohesion.”

The US president’s remarks were made in the context of the changing geopolitical situation globally.

He said the world was changing rapidly and countries were rethinking their alliances. “And the truth of the matter is — I genuinely believe this — that the world is looking to us. Not a joke. Even our enemies are looking to us to figure out how we figure this out, what we do.”

There was a lot at stake, Biden said, emphasising that the US had the capacity to lead the world to a place it had never been before.

“Did any of you ever think you’d have a Russian leader, since the Cuban Missile Crisis, threatening the use of tactical nuclear weapons that would — could only kill three, four thousand people and be limited to make a point?

“Did anybody think we’d be in a situation where China is trying to figure out its role relative to Russia and relative to India and relative to Pakistan?”

Talking about his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping, the US president termed him as a man who knew what he wanted but had an “enormous” array of problems.

“How do we handle that? How do we handle that relative to what’s going on in Russia? And what I think is maybe one of the most dangerous nations in the world: Pakistan. Nuclear weapons without any cohesion,” Biden said.

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At a press conference later in the day, Minister for Energy Khurram Dastgir rejected Biden’s statement, calling it “baseless”.

“International agencies have, not once but several times, verified Pakistan’s atomic deterrent and said that our command and control system is secure. It has all the protection that is required,” he said.

Meanwhile, leaders of the PTI, which has long claimed that the US was behind a regime-change operation against their ousted government, seized on Biden’s remarks.

Former human rights minister Shireen Mazari demanded an apology from the US president for his “nasty remarks”.

“A nuclear US is a threat to the world because you have no control over your nukes. B52 bomber takes off with six live nukes in 2007 and no one knows for hours,” she tweeted.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">U need to apologise to Pakistani nation <a href="https://twitter.com/POTUS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@POTUS</a> for ur nasty remarks just bec ur regime change conspiracy is faltering! A nuclear US is a threat 4 world bec u have no control over ur nukes. B52 bomber takes off with 6 live nukes 2007 & no one knows for hrs! <a href="https://t.co/tqIuIp6wEc">https://t.co/tqIuIp6wEc</a></p>— Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/1581152831847141376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Mazari went on to allege that the US was an “irresponsible superpower with nukes”. “Your proclivity to interfere globally with regime change agendas alongside militarising the oceans. Custodial torture in Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Bagram. Even your own people are not safe with gunmen going on killing sprees. Have some shame, Biden.”

In another tweet, the PTI leader also called out the Pakistan Army and “imported government” for choosing to stay silent on “Biden’s tirade”.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While Biden's tirade against Pak is not unexpected - US has been doing this regularly - what is shameful is silence from r Imported govt & <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@OfficialDGISPR</a> despite comment on our nukes also. Altho given US regime change conspiracy this shameful silence may also not be surprising!</p>— Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/1581155855583838210?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


PTI general Secretary Asad Umar said that countries in glass houses should think before throwing stones at others.

“Nuclear country without cohesion? Is Biden referring to the US? After all his party is going after Donald Trump for trying to subvert the constitution and steal the last presidential election,” he tweeted.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nuclear country without cohesion? Is biden referring to the US? After all his party is going after donald trump for trying to subvert the constitution and steal the last presidential election! Countries in glass houses should think before throwing stones at others <a href="https://t.co/mhlCDilQgc">https://t.co/mhlCDilQgc</a></p>— Asad Umar (@Asad_Umar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/1581139950535249920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Meanwhile, ex-minister Fawad Chaudhry demanded that Biden should immediately retract his statement, asserting that Pakistan’s leadership may be weak but its people were not.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">چند دن پہلے سعودی عرب کے بارے میں پرزہ رسائ اور اب پاکستان پر غیر ذمہ دارانہ بیان یوں لگتا ہے صدر بائیڈن امریکی عوام میں گرتی ہوئ ساکھ سے توجہ ہٹانا چاھتا ہے صدر بائیڈن پاکستان کے بارے میں غیر ذمہ دارانہ بیانات فورًُا واپس لے،ہماری موجودہ لیڈرشپ کمزور ہوسکتی ہے لیکن عوام کمزورنہی</p>— Ch Fawad Hussain (@fawadchaudhry) <a href="https://twitter.com/fawadchaudhry/status/1581154804595757056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Earlier this week, it emerged that Pakistan, once a key US ally, was not even mentioned in the US National Security Strategy 2022, which identified China as “America’s most consequential geopolitical challenge”.

The 48-page document does mention terrorism and other geo-strategic threats in the South and Central Asian region, but unlike the recent past, it does not name Pakistan as an ally needed to tackle those threats. Pakistan was also absent from the 2021 strategy paper.

In Washington, the omission is seen as reflecting a mutual desire to build a separate US relationship with Pakistan. Islamabad has long complained that the United States views Pakistan only as a tool to counter threats from Afghanistan and other nations.

In recent statements, both US and Pakistani officials emphasised the need to de-link Pakistan from both Afghanistan and India and give it the separate identity it deserves as a nuclear state of more than 220 million people.

US State Department Spokesperson Ned Price had said on Tuesday that the country “value our long-standing cooperation with Pakistan”, adding that there were a number of areas where interests aligned.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have 2 Qs on this: 1. On what info has <a href="https://twitter.com/POTUS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@POTUS</a> reached this unwarranted conclusion on our nuclear capability when, having been PM, I know we have one of the most secure nuclear command & control systems? 2. Unlike the US which has been involved in wars <a href="https://t.co/nkIrlekBxQ">https://t.co/nkIrlekBxQ</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1581202524702658562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2022</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">across the world, when has Pakistan shown aggression esp post-nuclearisation? Equally imp,this<br>Biden statement shows total failure of Imported govt's foreign policy & its claims of "reset of relations with US"? Is this the "reset"?This govt has broken all records for incompetence</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1581202528146165764?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2022</a></blockquote>
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With friends like the US, you don't need any enemies.
 
USA is losing its relevance as each hour passes.

Every US president is nothing but a glorified weapons industry's sales representative. Truly pathetic.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have 2 Qs on this: 1. On what info has <a href="https://twitter.com/POTUS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@POTUS</a> reached this unwarranted conclusion on our nuclear capability when, having been PM, I know we have one of the most secure nuclear command & control systems? 2. Unlike the US which has been involved in wars <a href="https://t.co/nkIrlekBxQ">https://t.co/nkIrlekBxQ</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1581202524702658562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2022</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">across the world, when has Pakistan shown aggression esp post-nuclearisation? Equally imp,this<br>Biden statement shows total failure of Imported govt's foreign policy & its claims of "reset of relations with US"? Is this the "reset"?This govt has broken all records for incompetence</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1581202528146165764?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Biden definitely caused a diplomatic blunder even if it is unintentional, but not sure how the primary opposition leader , who has been the PM and hopes to be PM again in 2023, can benefit by such reactions in social media. Surely somebody with aspirations must show better diplomatic skills. Or does he think he will remain in opposition chair for quite some time and hence the overall do not care outlook ?
 
Biden definitely caused a diplomatic blunder even if it is unintentional, but not sure how the primary opposition leader , who has been the PM and hopes to be PM again in 2023, can benefit by such reactions in social media. Surely somebody with aspirations must show better diplomatic skills. Or does he think he will remain in opposition chair for quite some time and hence the overall do not care outlook ?

He is talking about the joke that is the PML-N Government.
 
With friends like the US, you don't need any enemies.

Biden's policies have been disaster for US. He has no clear idea of who is friend and who is enemy at any given point. He is making enemies everywhere.
 
Who cares about old Biden? Can he say 10 sentences without feeling sleepy?

USA's decline is continuing with every passing day.
 
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So create chaos in PK( with the help of local traitos), then calim its chaotic and it shouldn't be allowed to keep its Nuclear weapons. This script is an open book and Biden and Bajwa doesn't realise that we too can read
 
He is talking about the joke that is the PML-N Government.

Probably. But don't think it benefits to include US and POTUS in that comment. I don't think it will help him in reconciliation when he is back in power.
 
Biden forgot that he already managed to changed the leader, now its safe again.

He probably remembered his minutes of meeting from Feb and said what he said.
 
The village idiot.

Whilst he was busy collecting airmiles...

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Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Saturday said that the incumbent government has decided to summon US Ambassador Donald Blome for an official demarche on US President Joe Biden's remarks on Pakistan's nuclear weapons.

At a Democratic congressional campaign committee reception on Thursday, Biden said Pakistan may be “one of the most dangerous nations in the world” as the country has “nuclear weapons without any cohesion”.

A transcript of the address, published on the White House’s website, quoted Biden as saying: “… And what I think is maybe one of the most dangerous nations in the world: Pakistan. Nuclear weapons without any cohesion.”

In a press conference at the Bilawal House in Karachi today, the foreign minister said that Pakistan's nuclear assets "meet each and every international standard in accordance with the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) as far as security and safety is concerned".

"If there is any question as to nuclear safety, then they should be directed to our neighbor India, who very recently accidentally fired a missile into Pakistani territory.

"This is not only irresponsible and unsafe but raises genuine and serious concerns about the safety of nuclear-capable countries," he pointed out.

"I am surprised by the remarks of President Biden [...] I believe this is exactly the sort of misunderstanding that is created when there is a lack of engagement."

Bilawal said that Pakistan had embarked on a "journey of engagement" and just marked the 75th anniversary of bilateral engagements with the US.

"If this was such a concern, I imagine it would've been raised in that meeting with me, I believe that we have just started our journey of engagement and we will have many more opportunities to engage with the US and address any concerns and misconceptions they might have to this specific question."

We have called the ambassador for a demarche, he said, adding that an opportunity should be allowed to the US to explain the position.

"I don't believe it negatively impacts the relations between Pakistan and the US. We will continue on the positive trajectory of engagements we are having so far," Bilawal highlighted.

He went on to say that Pakistan had nothing to do with Biden's statement. "We will call their ambassador and issue a demarche, but I don't think this was an official function [...] it wasn't an address to the parliament or an interview.

"It was a fundraiser [...] it was an untraditional conversation in which this sentence was used so it should be [looked at] in this manner, I think we will look at this statement in this way," he elaborated.

However, at the same time, Bilawal said that the nation should desist from "going into conspiracy theories".

He clarified that had the government felt any pressure, it would have been brought before the public. "But there is no such issue, we have varying stances on different issues, but when you're responsible and mature states, you engage."

There are a lot of opportunities for Pakistan to positively engage with the rest of the world, he added.

'Imran gave irresponsible statements on atomic bombs'
Responding to a question, Bilawal said that PTI chief Imran Khan was a liar and it was the government's responsibility to expose his reality in front of the nation.

He claimed that during his tenure as the prime minister, Imran failed to fulfill any of the promises he made to the people.

Bilawal criticised the PTI chief's foreign policy, claiming that it created huge losses to the country and compromised Pakistan's bilateral ties with friendly countries.

"Today, we are trying to correct that loss [...] we will have to work hard but I'm satisfied that the direction of our foreign policy is right now."

Going on, he recalled that Imran has passed "irresponsible statements" on the country's nuclear assets in the past. "When he had to leave the prime minister's seat, he publicly said that it was better that an atomic bomb was dropped on Pakistan.

"Find me one example in world history, where a person who is a former premier, says such things about his own country."

Bilawal went on to say that Imran was given authority that no one other prime minister was given in the country's history. "The amount of handholding and nappy changing that happened with Imran didn't happen with any other PM."

Imran, the minister further alleged, desired to be selected again today.

"But we believe that the right to rule over this country is of the people. Experiments where the fate of the nation is played with have, every time, had the opposite effect, so we should trust the result of trusting people," he added.

Pakistan's stance on Ukraine
Talking about Pakistan's position on Ukraine, Bilawal clarified why the country abstained from voting on a resolution passed in the United Nations General Assembly earlier this week.

The resolution called on countries not to recognise the four regions of Ukraine that Russia has claimed through referendums held under its occupation.

At the press conference today, the minister said there were two reasons why Pakistan abstained to vote. "The resolution contained language of other past resolutions from which Pakistan had already abstained.

"And there was no call for an immediate cessation of hostilities and pursuit of diplomacy in pursuit of peace," he explained and then proceeded to read out portions of the explanatory note submitted by Pakistan.

Bilawal also said that he looked forward to seeing similar concern about India's action to annex the internationally disputed territory of Kashmir which, according to him, was a complete violation of international law and relevant UN resolutions.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let me reiterate unequivocally: Pakistan is a responsible nuclear state and we are proud that our nuclear assets have the best safeguards as per IAEA requirements. We take these safety measures with the utmost seriousness. Let no one have any doubts.</p>— Shehbaz Sharif (@CMShehbaz) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz/status/1581272497672314881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Didn't they sell Pak some weapons support recently? Oh Dada Biden.
 
When you have a coward general and his boot polisher cherry blossom going around world begging what do you thinks gonna happen
They keep saying we are broke help us , so naturally these Anglo saxons want to de nuclerise us if you are going around like an African failed state begging then your not supposed to have a nuclear programe .
 
I find it funny when America wants to denuclearize countries.

What if someone wants to denuclearize America? Would they be okay with it?

They behave like they own the planet.
 
Sleepy has gone senile.

America and so called American values are losing support across the world.

Instead of extending an olive branch they think they can barrage other countries into following them.
 
Biden definitely caused a diplomatic blunder even if it is unintentional, but not sure how the primary opposition leader , who has been the PM and hopes to be PM again in 2023, can benefit by such reactions in social media. Surely somebody with aspirations must show better diplomatic skills. Or does he think he will remain in opposition chair for quite some time and hence the overall do not care outlook ?

Imran will run on an American platform and these type of comments will only strengthen his cause.

Imrans biggest battle at home is Bajwa. Bajwa has bent over backwards a number of times for the Americans and this is the repayment he gets.
 
Biden dropping facts, but the controls of our nukes are probably with our Chinese masters.
 
Imran will run on an American platform and these type of comments will only strengthen his cause.

Imrans biggest battle at home is Bajwa. Bajwa has bent over backwards a number of times for the Americans and this is the repayment he gets.

Look at tne mealy mouthed reply from Billo and the imports. And it took an ousted PM to ask Biden what his information source was? Shouldnt this reply have come from Bajwa and the imports or they too scared of their paymasters
 
Stole the words out of my mouth. With friends like America, you surely don't need any enemies at all.

They are not our friends, they want to be our controllers and this is a massive slap in the face of Bajwa. Why hasn't the DJISPR come out with a full reply? The Americans fund our mafia to keep PK down and they don't want to hear no for an answer.
 
Look at tne mealy mouthed reply from Billo and the imports. And it took an ousted PM to ask Biden what his information source was? Shouldnt this reply have come from Bajwa and the imports or they too scared of their paymasters

The government's reply is appropriate.

There is no point retaliating to a baseless accusation from Biden and engaging in mud-slinging and name calling over twitter.

Pakistan should handle it in a dignified way - summoning the ambassador to explain and off the cuff remark from Biden is all that is needed.

Baba will be gone in two years and bringing up stuff about Hiroshima and Nagasaki etc will just unnecessarily weaken the relationship.

But internally I hope there is pressure on napak fauj as a result of this. Bajwa broke conventions and scheduled press conferences to criticise Russia in order to appease the Americans.
 
The government's reply is appropriate.

There is no point retaliating to a baseless accusation from Biden and engaging in mud-slinging and name calling over twitter.

Pakistan should handle it in a dignified way - summoning the ambassador to explain and off the cuff remark from Biden is all that is needed.

Baba will be gone in two years and bringing up stuff about Hiroshima and Nagasaki etc will just unnecessarily weaken the relationship.

But internally I hope there is pressure on napak fauj as a result of this. Bajwa broke conventions and scheduled press conferences to criticise Russia in order to appease the Americans.

If we are not going to reply to Biden saying that are Nukes then who are we going to reply. All my life they have **** on us, and all we do is just take it and then we complain that we have a bad reputation. Our army and people are not one anymore. Every man and their dog knows what's happened but Bajwa hasn't come all this way to stop.
 
Remind me, which country has been going around starting wars, destabilizing entire regions, trying to install puppet government, etc for the last 50+ years?
 
Remind me, which country has been going around starting wars, destabilizing entire regions, trying to install puppet government, etc for the last 50+ years?

Exactly.

Truth be told, America is the most dangerous country in the world.

As per America, Russian alleged interference in American election is bad but American interferences are always good.
 
After the "Snakes being fed in the backyard" comment by Hillary Clinton this must be the most serious observation by US top guy.
 
Biden is spot on! When there is so much extremism, poverty and radicalisation in the country, such remarks are natural. Any religious group can shut down the country and our leadership cannot do anything! When there are 60 plus militant outfits running amok in the country, such remarks make sense.
 
Remind me, which country has been going around starting wars, destabilizing entire regions, trying to install puppet government, etc for the last 50+ years?

Who has been America’s closest ally in some of those wars in this part of the world?
 
The government's reply is appropriate.

There is no point retaliating to a baseless accusation from Biden and engaging in mud-slinging and name calling over twitter.

Pakistan should handle it in a dignified way - summoning the ambassador to explain and off the cuff remark from Biden is all that is needed.

Baba will be gone in two years and bringing up stuff about Hiroshima and Nagasaki etc will just unnecessarily weaken the relationship.

But internally I hope there is pressure on napak fauj as a result of this. Bajwa broke conventions and scheduled press conferences to criticise Russia in order to appease the Americans.

Did I miss some time line here? The cat and mouse with America goes way before Gen.Bajwa, Imran Khan or any of the current power players.
 
On topic though, foolish from Biden. These kind of statements are usually counter productive and doesn’t solve anything.
 
Usually it's been some or all NATO countries, as well as countries such as Australia.

Nice way to dodge. Let’s skip the rhetoric, America and Pakistan were Military Allies way before some of the posters here were born. As I said I think Biden’s statement was very random and pointless. However I don’t know why people are surprised here, isn’t this way the US-Pak relationship always been?
 
This is the level of governance we are dealing with

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Not a fan of Biden but he's definitely right.

With so much extremism and poverty in Pakistan, there's always a chance that we might get taken over by some religious nutcase who'll end up waging a war against the rest of the world because of their twisted interpretation of Islam.

Pakistan is one of the few Muslim countries that's going backwards and it'll continue to do regress until we become part of China. Once this happens, they'll give us the Uighur treatment.
 
Not a fan of Biden but he's definitely right.

With so much extremism and poverty in Pakistan, there's always a chance that we might get taken over by some religious nutcase who'll end up waging a war against the rest of the world because of their twisted interpretation of Islam.

Pakistan is one of the few Muslim countries that's going backwards and it'll continue to do regress until we become part of China. Once this happens, they'll give us the Uighur treatment.

So you actually believe Pak is the most dangerous nation on Earth?

What about Senile Joeys home nation. Please give me a detailed explanation why Pak is more dangerous to the world compared to USA. Looking forward to it. :)

My view, This is a man who speaks to dead people, shakes hands with invisible people, mumbles like a 2 year old and should be in a mental institution. Only a fool would take him seriously.
 
He is not wrong. Pakistanis don't know whats cooking inside the army, the most powerful institute in the country. Maybe biden is hinting at some infighting within thr army ranks we dont know about but we see small snippets from time to time.

Pakistani awam should push for more transparency from its leaders, and get to the bottom of who is really calling the shots. They play double games with America, they play double games internally with politicians and taliban and they remain in power because of the nukes.
 
He is not wrong. Pakistanis don't know whats cooking inside the army, the most powerful institute in the country. Maybe biden is hinting at some infighting within thr army ranks we dont know about but we see small snippets from time to time.

Pakistani awam should push for more transparency from its leaders, and get to the bottom of who is really calling the shots. They play double games with America, they play double games internally with politicians and taliban and they remain in power because of the nukes.
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Please give me a detailed explanation why Pak is more dangerous to the world compared to USA. Looking forward to it. :)

Also are you sure Biden meant Pakistan not Uzbekistan? :trump
 
If Biden was not a famous figure and he was a part of the general population then he would be on the verge of being admitted to an old people’s home at this point. There is no consistent narrative or thread to his public statements.
 
If Biden was not a famous figure and he was a part of the general population then he would be on the verge of being admitted to an old people’s home at this point. There is no consistent narrative or thread to his public statements.

Most Americans also feel the same, according to polls.

Only 40 percent of voters surveyed agreed with the statement that Biden “is in good health,” while 50 percent disagreed.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/17/poll-biden-mental-fitness-job-approval-522785

Imagine if he was President of Russia, the west would be in tears of laughter and ridicule him on a daily basis.

I would like to know who really makes the decisions in the US government , clearly not this mentally unstable fella.
 
Most Americans also feel the same, according to polls.



https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/17/poll-biden-mental-fitness-job-approval-522785

Imagine if he was President of Russia, the west would be in tears of laughter and ridicule him on a daily basis.

I would like to know who really makes the decisions in the US government , clearly not this mentally unstable fella.

I always think that American Presidents are mainly figureheads and have very limited influence in reality, it’s how the US constitution is designed — with strict checks & balances.

Since the US was formed, the real power has emerged within the corporations, the NRA, deep state intelligence agencies such as the CIA and NSA, and the military-industrial complex.
 
This is the level of governance we are dealing with

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Billo kacked his pants. A mealy mouthed reply that has shamed PK. Where is the clown that is PM? And where is the wannabe Dictator? Why is it the job of the ex PM to stand up for PK
 
Biden is a total jerk and verging on senility if not there already.

His ego is also damaging the USA, with this various foolish remarks.

He was already losing the plot when he was running for president. Now he's much worse.

Pakistan is right to feel agrieved by this idiotic judgement of a totally merciless jerk who has repeatedly voted for the worst moves that US governments have made over the last 30-40 years.

Biden is an awful person and politician and corrupt to the bone also. Trump wasn't making stuff up about Biden and Ukraine and Biden's son. The main stream media just happily buried that explosive story because they hated Trump so much.
 
Don't blame Biden. Your army Chief asked Biden for 450 mil to maintain F16s. That's a necessity he said for countering terrorism. Biden duly obliged and parroted whatever your army Chief said. And America's concern about Pak's nukes falling into terrorist hands is not new. Look at leaked disploamtic cables from US embassy in Pak.
 
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Biden probably thinks it’s 2012, the old man is lost in time unless he is told exactly what is happening.

And yeah no one is buying the Nukes are falling into the wrong hands, that doesn’t happen. The only slim chance that could have happened was between 2001-2010 when there was so much instability.
 
Don't blame Biden. Your army Chief asked Biden for 450 mil to maintain F16s. That's a necessity he said for countering terrorism. Biden duly obliged and parroted whatever your army Chief said. And America's concern about Pak's nukes falling into terrorist hands is not new. Look at leaked disploamtic cables from US embassy in Pak.

You have no clue how nuclear warheads work. No group can pick them up from a cupboard and start using them, they require a wide range of apparatus to make them work.

USA is the biggest danger to the world, their state terrorism through military, economic and covert means will never be matched again in human history.
 
Biden is spot on! When there is so much extremism, poverty and radicalisation in the country, such remarks are natural. Any religious group can shut down the country and our leadership cannot do anything! When there are 60 plus militant outfits running amok in the country, such remarks make sense.

The religious groups are tools of the same people that work for the Americans. The TLP take orders from Bajwa and he takes orders from the Americans. All the mafia exposed by Kaptaan
 
US President Joe Biden was recorded apparently sniffing a young girl’s hair on Friday, before telling her “no serious guys until you’re 30.” The president has a long history of inappropriate comments to children.

Posing for photographs after a speech at a California community college, Biden placed his hands on the shoulders of a teenage girl and appeared to inhale deeply. He then offered the girl “a very important thing I’ve told my daughters and granddaughters, no serious guys until you’re 30.”

“OK… I’ll keep that in mind,” the girl replied, as Biden repeated himself. A video of the conversation was posted on Twitter by reporter Kalen D’Almeida.

https://twitter.com/fromkalen/status/1581081956242010114?s=20&t=e3-C6eNYW--WZU120k3mEw

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Remember folks, Biden was the liberal and democrat party choice.

I hope this senile tool runs again, and inshallah vs Trump in 2024, Biden will gift the Presidency Trump. That is, if Biden survives the mid-term election mauling.
 
Biden probably thinks it’s 2012, the old man is lost in time unless he is told exactly what is happening.

And yeah no one is buying the Nukes are falling into the wrong hands, that doesn’t happen. The only slim chance that could have happened was between 2001-2010 when there was so much instability.

There are parts of the country that has fallen to the TTP. There is instability that is not being shown on purpose
 
[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] is busy it seems so same question to you.

Please give me a detailed explanation why Pak is more dangerous to the world compared to USA. Looking forward to it. :)

Also are you sure Biden meant Pakistan not Uzbekistan? :trump

The USA has been running global affairs since WW2 had it not been for the US we would be communicating via German right now.

US runs the world order, because someone has to. Human beings dont just sit around and feel good and happy for each other.

Pakistan's army is causing problems internally and externally and its about time we get to the bottom of it.
 
The USA has been running global affairs since WW2 had it not been for the US we would be communicating via German right now.

US runs the world order, because someone has to. Human beings dont just sit around and feel good and happy for each other.

Pakistan's army is causing problems internally and externally and its about time we get to the bottom of it.

The Russians won the war for us in Europe. Your history is as poor as your post.

The rest of your post doesn't address the issue.

Let me remind you... Biden says Pakistan is the MOST dangerous country, please help yourself by helping me with a detailed explanation of why Pak is more dangerous than US? So far , so poor im afraid.
 
Again, majority of Americans think this bloke has mental health issues but we have so called Pakistanis believing his every word. :)))

 
Not a fan of Biden but he's definitely right.

With so much extremism and poverty in Pakistan, there's always a chance that we might get taken over by some religious nutcase who'll end up waging a war against the rest of the world because of their twisted interpretation of Islam.

Pakistan is one of the few Muslim countries that's going backwards and it'll continue to do regress until we become part of China. Once this happens, they'll give us the Uighur treatment.

in many areas of Lahore, TLP came third position in the last general election. And TLP's mandate was basically to protect the finality of the prophethood. Once someone asked them about their foreign economic policy to which they said that people can come out on streets and sell blankets.....

And this party came third in lahore areas.

Anyways, the country is somewhat protected because of the existence of the establishment. Until the establishment exists, you can have lunatics like Imran winning election, but the establishment will run the show no matter what. The country is protected somewhat like that.

However, our issue is internal security which is the TTP that is causing us problems.
 
Didn't they sell Pak some weapons support recently? Oh Dada Biden.

Biden and his government is probably still upset about their pathetic exit from Afghanistan. American soldiers leaving in a hurry, poor Afghan people hanging from the wheels of the Aircraft carrier and falling to their death are still fresh in the minds of American political circles.

Bottomline is, Pakistan double crossed US and made them look like fools in front of the whole world. Biden and his policy makers know this very well and upset about it. Pakistan will only be a friend of convenience for US.
 
yeh but you really think these people are ready to come out of their illusion? Look at the reaction in this thread. All the overseas Pakistanis in this thread are woked up about it. They are now targeting Bilawal about it....

Swat is once again under Taliban and other areas of the North like Babusar had Taliban militants kidnapping ministers.

But if someone spills hard facts they start bashing that person. Nobodies are calling the POTUS as if he is a nobody :))

How can he say its the most dangerous country in the world when 80 plus countries have worse homicide rate than Pakistan?

Also the Taliban's power in Pakistan is nothing compared to the powers the cartels have in Mexico, yet Biden would never say that about them?
 
The USA has been running global affairs since WW2 had it not been for the US we would be communicating via German right now.

Not sure about that, Britain and particularly Russia both made a huge contribution to the war victory. What the Jonny-come-latelys in the US were able to do in their trademark fashion is capitalise on the massive financial and infrastructural damage suffered by both a bankrupted Britain (+ the British Empire), and Russia, who also lost tens of millions of their people, and emerge as the dominant superpower because their land and population 6,000 miles away from Europe were sat almost entirely intact in comparison.

But anyway, I digress! Biden thread.
 
Not sure about that, Britain and particularly Russia both made a huge contribution to the war victory. What the Jonny-come-latelys in the US were able to do in their trademark fashion is capitalise on the massive financial and infrastructural damage suffered by both a bankrupted Britain (+ the British Empire), and Russia, who also lost tens of millions of their people, and emerge as the dominant superpower because their land and population 6,000 miles away from Europe were sat almost entirely intact in comparison.

But anyway, I digress! Biden thread.

16 million US soldiers fought WW2 ; WW1 and 2 are the damn reasons why US has the balls to go outside its continent and set up bases across the world.

It’s Europeans who empowered this behavior there is no going back now.
 
Pak posters should blame their Establishment than Biden here.
 
Biden was stupid enough to say it out loud, a big diplomatic blunder. He isn't wrong though.
 
Sure being the only Muslim nuclear power it is the most dangerous. It is okay for America and the rest having these weapons because they are safe:sharjeel
 
Americans just OKd the Pakistani F16 upgrade, why would they make a stance like this now ?

This is puzzling to say the least.
 
WASHINGTON: The White House assured Pakistan on Saturday that President Joe Biden supports a strong and prosperous Pakistan, hours after the US leader stirred a storm by calling the South Asian nuclear nation a dangerous nation.

“The president views a secure and prosperous Pakistan as critical to US interests,” said White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre when asked to comment on Mr Biden’s remarks.

But others were not convinced this latest outburst will help Washington win over any ‘hearts and minds’ in the country that is already witnessing a wave of anti-US sentiment, championed by former PM Imran Khan.

“Strange comment - not the type of thing senior US officials typically say publicly as much as they used to,” said Michael Kugelman, a Pakistan scholar at the Wilson Center, Washington.

Mr Kugelman said he did not know what prompted Mr Biden’s remarks, was but he likely received intel briefs that referred to Pakistan’s churn-bad political polarization, an economic crisis, and resurgent terror. “That, combined with legacy concerns about nukes, may have prompted the comment.”

He said President Biden’s reference to “without any cohesion” was apparently a comment on “current trends playing out in Pakistan more broadly right now, and not to nuclear issues per se.”

The comments, he said, “certainly won’t help improve Pakistani public perceptions of the US, but I doubt it’ll impact bilateral relations in a big way.”

Commenting on Islamabad’s decision to summon the US ambas*sador, he said: “This is where finally having a formal ambassador back in Islamabad will help.”

He noted that “reaction from Pak officials has also been fairly conciliatory.”

Prof Hassan Abbas of the US National Defence University said to him “Biden’s statement appears to be a slip of the tongue.”

President Biden, he said, was not talking about any weakness in the nuclear command and control in Pakistan as the country has indeed developed a strong system over the last decade or so.“

The US president was “likely hinting at cohesion in the political sphere in Pakistan, given political instability and rising polarisation,” Prof Abbas said. “The increasing use of anti-US rhetoric in PTI political rallies are concerning for Washington,” he added.

Tamanna Salikuddin of the US Institute of Peace, another US think-tank, said President Biden’s remarks were not an official statement nor a change of policy towards Pakistan.

Pointing out that the remarks were made amongst a discussion of global threats, including China and Russia, she said: “His words reflect the underlying US national security concerns regarding Pakistan’s nuclear security amidst continued political and economic instability and terrorist attacks from groups such as TTP.”

Despite improvements and commitments to nuclear security in Pakistan, “lack of stability in other sectors continues to worry US policymakers, especially with the persistent risk of escalation between India and Pakistan,” Ms Salikuddin said.

She, however, acknowledged that the remarks came at an unfortunate moment, when there were improvements in the US-Pakistan bilateral relationship.

She warned that President Biden’s statements will feed into the anti-Americanism “that is politically very popular right now in Pakistan.”

Published in Dawn, October 16th, 2022
 
Noting that the global arms control order, particularly in the nuclear realm, presents a “precarious picture”, Pakistan has called for rebuilding a more enduring and equitable international security architecture, as the build-up of strategic arms escalates.

“Nuclear disarmament obligations remain largely unfulfilled as evidenced by the constant shifting of goalposts towards additional non-proliferation measures,” Ambassador Khalil Hashmi told the United Nations General Assembly’s First Committee, which deals with disarmament and international security matters.

The integrity of long-standing rules continues to be eroded by carving out exceptions and pursuit of discriminatory policies, said Ambassador Hashmi, who is Pakistan’s permanent representative to UN offices in Geneva.

“The build-up of arms in the strategic realm is on the rise,” he said at UN Headquarters in New York, adding, “Military capabilities are assuming a force multiplier character due to growing weaponization and integration across nuclear, outer space, cyber, conventional and AI (Artificial Intelligence) domains.”

Nuclear dangers were increasing and the prospects of a nuclear war were “back within the realm of possibility”, he further said. A handful of states seemed determined to perpetuate the status quo to their continued strategic advantage, he added.

Consequently, the Pakistani envoy said that political and military tensions, strategic asymmetries and nuclear dangers are growing.

“Many of these troubling trends are manifest in South Asia where the largest state continues to be a net beneficiary of nuclear exceptionalism and discrimination in the application of international norms and legality,” Ambassador Hashmi said in an obvious reference to India’s arms build-up.

“It (India) remains a recipient of generous supplies of conventional and non-conventional weaponry, technology and platforms,” he added.

The Pakistani envoy said that nuclear weapons and their delivery systems no longer existed in isolation, and the need for rebuilding a more enduring and equitable international security architecture was obvious.

Pakistan, he said, remained committed to the goal of a world free from nuclear weapons in a universal, verifiable and non-discriminatory manner.

He further said that the objective could only be advanced via faithful adherence to and implementation of the cardinal principles enshrined in the first special session of the General Assembly devoted to disarmament, namely, that it was the primary responsibility of militarily significant states to pursue disarmament in an equitable and balanced manner and in a way that ensured that no individual state or group of states obtained advantages over others at any stage, and to achieve undiminished security at the lowest possible level of armaments and military forces.

Towards this end, the envoy said, Pakistan also reiterated its call for the immediate commencement of negotiations on a comprehensive Nuclear Weapons Convention.

Proposals for Negative Security Assurances (NSAs) have been on the Conference on Disarmament (CD) agenda for the longest duration, he said. Pakistan believes that the issue is most ripe for treaty negotiations and has the significant potential to create the necessary environment for confidence-building and easing of tensions, he added.

Express Tribune
 
Pakistan to summon US ambassador, issue demarche over Biden's remarks
Foreign Minister Bilawal says we have just started our journey of engagement with the United States

KARACHI:
Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari said on Saturday that Pakistan has summoned Ambassador of the United States to Pakistan Donald Blome for an official demarche following US President Joe Biden’s remarks about the country’s nuclear assets.

While addressing a press conference in Karachi, the foreign minister said, “I have discussed it with the prime minister and we have summoned Ambassador of the United States to Pakistan Donald Blome to the Foreign Office of Pakistan for an official demarche.”

“As far as the safety and security of Pakistan's nuclear assets are concerned we meet all, each and every international standard in accordance with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA),” he added.

Talking about India’s accidental firing of a missile into Pakistan on March 9, the foreign minister furthered, “As far as I’m concerned in our neighbourhood, if there is any question as to nuclear safety and security then those questions should be directed to our neighbour India who very recently, accidentally, fired a missile into Pakistani territory. That is not only irresponsible, that is not only unsafe but raises genuine concerns about the safety of nuclear-capable countries.”

“I am surprised by the remarks of President Biden I believe this is exactly the sort of misunderstanding that is created when there is a lack of engagement. Luckily, we have embarked on a journey of engagement. We have just marked the 75th anniversary of our bilateral relations in a very engaging manner at the State Department, and the at the level of secretary of state and the foreign minister of Pakistan. If this was such a concern, I imagine that it would have been raised in that meeting with me,” he added.

The minister also stated that we will have many more opportunities to engage with the United States and address any concerns and misconceptions they might have in regard to the specific question.

The statement by the foreign minister comes after United States President Joe Biden said earlier that Pakistan may be “one of the most dangerous nations in the world” as the country has “nuclear weapons without any cohesion”, it was reported on Saturday.

The US president made the comments while addressing a Democratic congressional campaign committee reception on Thursday.

“And what I think is maybe one of the most dangerous nations in the world: Pakistan. Nuclear weapons without any cohesion,” Biden was quoted as saying in a transcript of the address, published on the White House’s website.

The minister further said that an opportunity should be allowed to the US to explain the position.
"I don't believe that this should negatively impact Pakistan and the United States. We will continue on the positive trajectory of the engagements that we are having so far," added the PPP chairman.

Floods in Pakistan
The foreign minister said one out of seven Paksitani is affected by floods in the country. He added that Gilgit-Baltistan, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, southern Punjab, Balochistan and Sindh are badly affected by the floods, adding that a lot of areas are still inundated.

"We are still distributing aid to the affectees and as the foreign minister, trying to get aid from all over the world," he added.

Bilawal furthered that by-elections have been announced in the country, adding that this is a misconception that he does not give importance to these elections as he was unable to campaign.

"These by-elections are very important. By-elections are to be conducted on October 16 across the country.... these by-elections are of importance to the people of those areas."

The minister further said these elections wll give people an opportunity to select a representative from their area who can solve their problems and address their issues.

Bilawal further said that the struggle against the PTI chief started from Karachi and that the people of the country and Sindh 'said goodbye' to Imran.

Express Tribune
 
You have no clue how nuclear warheads work. No group can pick them up from a cupboard and start using them, they require a wide range of apparatus to make them work.

USA is the biggest danger to the world, their state terrorism through military, economic and covert means will never be matched again in human history.

I have a clue on a lot of things. I probably have more facts too. Pak and it's nukes can be dangerous in many ways. Pak can easily give the nukes to Iran. Pak's premier scientist already spread the tech to a bunch of rogue nations and was convicted of it.

There could be rogue elements in the army that could facilitate it's access to terrorists. There could be a civil war with political instability facilitating it. It's not me saying it. These are the leaked diplomatic cables from US embassy in Pak. Here's the content from WikiLeaks:


Grave fears have existed in the U.S. and the U.K. over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme.[1] Beginning in 2007, the U.S. has mounted a secret effort to remove from a Pakistani research reactor highly enriched uranium that American officials fear could be used as an illicit nuclear device.[2] In the words of U.S. ambassador to Pakistan Anne W. Patterson, Pakistan had refused visits from American nuclear experts, while an official told her "If the local media got word of the fuel removal, they would certainly portray it as the United States taking away Pakistan's nuclear weapons".[3]

In a February 2009 cable from Islamabad, Patterson said "Our major concern is not having an Islamic militant steal an entire weapon but rather the chance someone working in [Pakistani government] facilities could gradually smuggle enough material out to eventually make a weapon." Seven months later, worry was also expressed by British Foreign Office official Mariot Leslie: "The UK has deep concerns about the safety and security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons."[4]
 
^ Pakistan is just as likely to give nukes to Iran as India is to Myanmar.

These are complete fantasies divorced from reality.
 
^ Pakistan is just as likely to give nukes to Iran as India is to Myanmar.

These are complete fantasies divorced from reality.

Except India has no history of selling nuke tech to North Korea, Libya and Iran or Myanmar. Anyway, I'm aware he's Pakistan's national hero and I don't want to disrespect as this is a Pakistani website. Fors the sake of argument as to why the west is sceptical, here are the details

Between 1987 and 1989, Khan secretly leaked knowledge of centrifuges to Iran without notifying the Pakistan Government,[78] although this issue is a subject of political controversy.[72][70] In 2003, the European Union pressured Iran to accept tougher inspections of its nuclear program and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) revealed an enrichment facility in the city of Natanz, Iran, utilising gas centrifuges based on the designs and methods used by URENCO.[77] The IAEA inspectors quickly identified the centrifuges as P-1 types, which had been obtained "from a foreign intermediary in 1989", and the Iranian negotiators turned over the names of their suppliers, which identified Khan as one of them.[77]
 
Americans just OKd the Pakistani F16 upgrade, why would they make a stance like this now ?

This is puzzling to say the least.

America has full control over when and where Pakistan uses F-16s. They also have the capability to make all the F-16s inoperative if Pakistan violates the terms and conditions.

So it is a low risk deal for them because although they are selling a highly advanced fighter jet to a dangerous country, they have full control over its use and they are making good money.

This is why when Pakistan used its F-16s to bring down Abhinandan, they had to quickly cover up and claim that they used their Thunders even though both pilots who received rewards and recognition are F-16 pilots.

Pakistan violated the terms and conditions and there were a lot of apologies and pleas behind back doors from Pakistan military brass to the Pentagon and assurances that it will not happen in the future.
 
Read the title of this thread - stick to it.
 
Except India has no history of selling nuke tech to North Korea, Libya and Iran or Myanmar. Anyway, I'm aware he's Pakistan's national hero and I don't want to disrespect as this is a Pakistani website. Fors the sake of argument as to why the west is sceptical, here are the details

Between 1987 and 1989, Khan secretly leaked knowledge of centrifuges to Iran without notifying the Pakistan Government,[78] although this issue is a subject of political controversy.[72][70] In 2003, the European Union pressured Iran to accept tougher inspections of its nuclear program and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) revealed an enrichment facility in the city of Natanz, Iran, utilising gas centrifuges based on the designs and methods used by URENCO.[77] The IAEA inspectors quickly identified the centrifuges as P-1 types, which had been obtained "from a foreign intermediary in 1989", and the Iranian negotiators turned over the names of their suppliers, which identified Khan as one of them.[77]

History has no bearing on the current state of play.

Remember historically your PM was banned from the US.

There is zero chance of Pakistan 'giving' weapons to Iran. They learned a very harsh lesson last time...but their stance was essentially that your (western) concept of 'rogue' states is different to ours.

Pakistan's nuclear weapons only serve one purpose and that is to defend against its eastern neighbours.

These delusions of them falling into the wrong hands or terrorist groups are nothing but propaganda. The non western world is moving away from caring about western skepticism.
 
So you actually believe Pak is the most dangerous nation on Earth?

What about Senile Joeys home nation. Please give me a detailed explanation why Pak is more dangerous to the world compared to USA. Looking forward to it. :)

My view, This is a man who speaks to dead people, shakes hands with invisible people, mumbles like a 2 year old and should be in a mental institution. Only a fool would take him seriously.

I don't believe Pakistan is the most dangerous nation on Earth. But that's not what Biden claimed, he stated it may be one of the most dangerous nations in the world which I fully agree. I'll explain why:

1. Pakistan hid OBL (the world's most wanted man) for years until the US found him and dealt with him
2. Historically and even in recent times, Pakistan have given their backing to rogue groups like Taliban, TLP and etc

As for your point about other countries being more dangerous, we need to clean our own house first and focus on that. Pakistan is a failed state and the sooner Pakistanis collectively can embrace this, the sooner we can act and bring change.

Admitting our failures is the first step but unfortunately most Pakistanis simply can't handle the truth and the responses on this thread are reflection of that.
 
in many areas of Lahore, TLP came third position in the last general election. And TLP's mandate was basically to protect the finality of the prophethood. Once someone asked them about their foreign economic policy to which they said that people can come out on streets and sell blankets.....

And this party came third in lahore areas.

Anyways, the country is somewhat protected because of the existence of the establishment. Until the establishment exists, you can have lunatics like Imran winning election, but the establishment will run the show no matter what. The country is protected somewhat like that.

However, our issue is internal security which is the TTP that is causing us problems.

Sadly, the army will only go after the TTP, TLP and etc if they get attacked directly by them, like when that Peshawar school attack happened.

Playing this double game is only going to harm Pakistan and the establishment itself in the long term. It's simply not sustainable.

As a result, confidence in trading with Pakistan will continue to remain low.

If we can't develop our economy, I really do fear we'll have to sell ourselves to become a part of China, which is what they're after in the long run.
 
History has no bearing on the current state of play.

Remember historically your PM was banned from the US.

There is zero chance of Pakistan 'giving' weapons to Iran. They learned a very harsh lesson last time...but their stance was essentially that your (western) concept of 'rogue' states is different to ours.

Pakistan's nuclear weapons only serve one purpose and that is to defend against its eastern neighbours.

These delusions of them falling into the wrong hands or terrorist groups are nothing but propaganda. The non western world is moving away from caring about western skepticism.

1. No Indian PM has been banned from entering US.

2. Pakistan sold nuclear technology to other nations.

This is the truth.
 
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