Joe Rogan Draws Backlash For 'Antisemitic' Comments

[Technics 1210]

The intent is to speak the truth In a world of deceit , respect truth & you’ll be taken seriously kid

Yet wave after wave of 'hatred' towards Muslims, Christians, Hindus etc on PP is acceptable by the very people who find this thread unacceptable.

As you said, world of deceit.

 

[SalimBhai]

Yet wave after wave of 'hatred' towards Muslims, Christians, Hindus etc on PP is acceptable by the very people who find this thread unacceptable.

As you said, world of deceit.

Please sir provide the name of 12 Jewish families. Eagerly waiting here

 

[ElRaja]

Never said debt wasn't a financial tool, but you forget one key point, usury, which combined with debt, explains everything one needs to know.

how can I forget it if it wasn't even being discussed? and its a tad ironic to bring it after bringing up the fed as the centre of the conspiracy, since for the past twenty years they've constantly attempted to keep interest rates artificially low.

I don't expect the financial literates or even joe blogs to understand the power and control Jews have on finance, but I can understand why someone is not willing to accept the facts incase of offending Jews.

do you really believe everyone who disagrees with you on this is part of a larger conspiracy to appease jews?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The intent behind these threads is clearly to incite ill feeling towards a religious group who happen to be the People of the Book.

Unfortunately this is a reflection of British Muslims who believe in every conspiracy theory that suits their narrative and live in a bubble "where the world is against us".

In run down areas of the UK such as Birmingham where you find numerous Pakistani Muslims, these guys are often poor educated and very closed minded and don't get on with other communities (black, white, Somali, Jewish, Indians and etc) and indulge in all sorts of crime. The OP's track record with such threads is a reflection of this mindset which is very much prevalent among Pakistanis who live in such areas of the UK.

I don't get it, how is this a British Muslim issue? I know that there is a lot of animosity towards British Muslims on these forums, especially from Indian posters which is understandable considering they have voted in a Hindutva govt, and they bristle at the combative nature of British Pakistanis.

But Joe Rogan isn't British, and his words are probably less offensive than yours which is quite ironic.

 

[SalimBhai]

The intent behind these threads is clearly to incite ill feeling towards a religious group who happen to be the People of the Book.

Unfortunately this is a reflection of British Muslims who believe in every conspiracy theory that suits their narrative and live in a bubble "where the world is against us".

In run down areas of the UK such as Birmingham where you find numerous Pakistani Muslims, these guys are often poor educated and very closed minded and don't get on with other communities (black, white, Somali, Jewish, Indians and etc) and indulge in all sorts of crime. The OP's track record with such threads is a reflection of this mindset which is very much prevalent among Pakistanis who live in such areas of the UK.

I don’t think it’s British Muslims. I think this victimhood is more seen in British Pakistanis.

 

[Technics 1210]

how can I forget it if it wasn't even being discussed? and its a tad ironic to bring it after bringing up the fed as the centre of the conspiracy, since for the past twenty years they've constantly attempted to keep interest rates artificially low.

No it is not ironic to bring it up given how the Federal Reserve earns money by charging interest on the money it created out of thin air. M3 money supply is no longer quoted since 2008. The money created by the Feds was used to buy US treasuries, forcing yields low, allowing banks to borrow at near zero and then lend that money at higher interest. The biggest transfer of wealth in history.

The point is don't confuse usury with the Federal interest rate. Was the interest rate on Credit Cards near zero for the past 15 years or so? Was the interest on overdrafts near zero during the same period? Was the loan on cars near zero? You get the point.

do you really believe everyone who disagrees with you on this is part of a larger conspiracy to appease jews?

No, what I believe is people like you jump to defend the Jews but never jump to defend Muslims, Christians, or Hindus when they are generalised or criticised for a particular trait. This to me proves how effective the Zionist brainwashing upon the masses has been over the centuries.

"I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls the British money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply" - Rothschild 1815.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don’t think it’s British Muslims. I think this victimhood is more seen in British Pakistanis.

Probably not that surprising as ancestral culture is something you have lamented the loss of, but this happens with British Indians too.

 

[SalimBhai]

I have not see the victimhood complex in British Indians or American desis in general. But it's not fair to compare Pakistani Americans to British Pakistanis. One is at the top of the food chain and the other bottom of the barrel.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have not see the victimhood complex in British Indians or American desis in general. But it's not fair to compare Pakistani Americans to British Pakistanis. One is at the top of the food chain and the other bottom of the barrel.

I think maybe you are straying too far from the subject Salim bro. If you want to compare desi immigrant communities across the globe then start a new thread.

 

[Technics 1210]

Very good post.

One of their main weapons is debt. Debt slavery, to be specific.

Here's an ex-banker describing the evil of modern financial system:

I wish this was tought in schools instead of the bile children get to learn. The system brainwashing starts at school, and by the time said children are ready to move on to the next phase of their lives, it is too late for many of them.

I urge everyone who is interested in how central banks work, and how the Federal Reserve controls other central banks, to watch this documentary:

The Prince of Yen.

[Utube]https://youtu.be/p5Ac7ap_MAY[/utube]

The Federal Reserve systematically targeted Japan's economy because it was seen as a threat, and decades on, Japan has been a basket case of an economy, with its Yen edging closer to complete worthlessness which is why Japan has the highest debt to GDP ratio, in the world.

 

[sweep_shot]

I wish this was tought in schools instead of the bile children get to learn. The system brainwashing starts at school, and by the time said children are ready to move on to the next phase of their lives, it is too late for many of them.

I urge everyone who is interested in how central banks work, and how the Federal Reserve controls other central banks, to watch this documentary:

The Prince of Yen.

[Utube]https://youtu.be/p5Ac7ap_MAY[/utube]

The Federal Reserve systematically targeted Japan's economy because it was seen as a threat, and decades on, Japan has been a basket case of an economy, with its Yen edging closer to complete worthlessness which is why Japan has the highest debt to GDP ratio, in the world.

Indeed.

Schools have become brainwashing institutions. Homeschooling seems like a better option nowadays. Leftists have hijacked education system.

Thanks for the link.

A lot of people here seem to have too much faith in fiat currencies. They need to dig deeper.

 

[Technics 1210]

Indeed.

Schools have become brainwashing institutions. Homeschooling seems like a better option nowadays. Leftists have hijacked education system.

Thanks for the link.

A lot of people here seem to have too much faith in fiat currencies. They need to dig deeper.

The most important aspect which 99.9% fail to understand let alone grasp is how money supply (Central Banks) bring about economic, political, and social changes.

But here's the kicker, the banks we know and come to use day to day, function on fractional reserve banking - lending money what they do not have, and then charge interest to who they lend this non-existent money too, but liabilities are backed by a central bank.

Guess who introduced the fractional reserve banking system? Yup, none other than the Goldsmiths - German Jewish descents.

 

[Robert]

Millions and millions of our Bengali ancestors were brutally murdered and killed by the Marathas, the Britishers and the Pakistanis, all of whom were invaders. Yet It seems like the jews are the only community(not even an ethnic group) in the world that can play the victim card for the rest of the human history.

It does seem that some people on this board are unhappy with *other* minorities complaining about mistreatment. Jews, Blacks, Gays. I wonder why? Does it make you feel less special?

If you want to try to connect the Bengal Famine to
lazy racial slurs about current Bengalis, make your case. White liberals will listen if it’s a sound argument. But the White working class won’t - they’ll look at the nice houses Brown people live in with Mercs and Beemers in the gravel drive and wonder what you think you have to complain about.

 

[Clueless]

Why do you think Jews were persecuted throughout the centuries by various groups? Were they all jealous? LOL.

You need to understand the evils of central banks. There are many great resources online. Try to read/watch.

But, I know that most Indians generally don't understand anything beyond profit and money.

Interest is a sin by Islamic religions and was so Medieval Europe. but without interest people can't get loans but only become beggars to meet their needs.
Jewish community was always willing to lend at interest.

The religious dogmas making certain communities inherently evil, nothing new here.

 

[Clueless]

It does seem that some people on this board are unhappy with *other* minorities complaining about mistreatment. Jews, Blacks, Gays. I wonder why? Does it make you feel less special?

If you want to try to connect the Bengal Famine to
lazy racial slurs about current Bengalis, make your case. White liberals will listen if it’s a sound argument. But the White working class won’t - they’ll look at the nice houses Brown people live in with Mercs and Beemers in the gravel drive and wonder what you think you have to complain about.

Bascially, Jews are the "sacred untouchables" in modern discourse like the N-word for Blacks in America.
For someone in third world who face continuous discrimination being called " towel heads" "curry munchers" and other stuff, it seems weird how certain minority groups enjoy special privilege in the mainstream media.

 

[Robert]

Bascially, Jews are the "sacred untouchables" in modern discourse like the N-word for Blacks in America.
For someone in third world who face continuous discrimination being called " towel heads" "curry munchers" and other stuff, it seems weird how certain minority groups enjoy special privilege in the mainstream media.

I don’t recognise this as true.

In UK at least, calling any minority person those names would be met with outcry and lose the speaker their job. Remember when Katie Hopkins referred to Muslims and said “We need a final solution”? Instantly fired by LBC. And all the Yorkshire CCC players and managers sacked for racially abusing Azeem Rafiq.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It does seem that some people on this board are unhappy with *other* minorities complaining about mistreatment. Jews, Blacks, Gays. I wonder why? Does it make you feel less special?

If you want to try to connect the Bengal Famine to
lazy racial slurs about current Bengalis, make your case. White liberals will listen if it’s a sound argument. But the White working class won’t - they’ll look at the nice houses Brown people live in with Mercs and Beemers in the gravel drive and wonder what you think you have to complain about.

That's the problem in this country Rob. The Anglos still seem to think driving a nice car and having a drive is a white privilege. Don't expect any Johnny Singhs or Billy Patels to spell this out though. Not the way they work.

 

[ElRaja]

No it is not ironic to bring it up given how the Federal Reserve earns money by charging interest on the money it created out of thin air. M3 money supply is no longer quoted since 2008. The money created by the Feds was used to buy US treasuries, forcing yields low, allowing banks to borrow at near zero and then lend that money at higher interest. The biggest transfer of wealth in history.

The point is don't confuse usury with the Federal interest rate. Was the interest rate on Credit Cards near zero for the past 15 years or so? Was the interest on overdrafts near zero during the same period? Was the loan on cars near zero? You get the point.

again, you talk about wealth transfer, and explicitly mention low interest rates as a means to transfer wealth, which i agree with, but then shift from focusing on the entire system, to focusing on the least credit worthy debt of all because I'm sure you know for the past few decades credit worthy mortgage, commercial, sovereign debt, etc, the vast majority of overall debt, have all traded between 0.5% and 5% of the base rate, which is not usurous by any measure.

No, what I believe is people like you jump to defend the Jews but never jump to defend Muslims, Christians, or Hindus when they are generalised or criticised for a particular trait. This to me proves how effective the Zionist brainwashing upon the masses has been over the centuries.

nice, so you've made another generalisation, i can see the trend now.

 

[sweep_shot]

again, you talk about wealth transfer, and explicitly mention low interest rates as a means to transfer wealth, which i agree with, but then shift from focusing on the entire system, to focusing on the least credit worthy debt of all because I'm sure you know for the past few decades credit worthy mortgage, commercial, sovereign debt, etc, the vast majority of overall debt, have all traded between 0.5% and 5% of the base rate, which is not usurous by any measure.

What is your definition of usury?

 

[Technics 1210]

nice, so you've made another generalisation, i can see the trend now.

Nope, let me point out what you have stated in this thread:

so ill give a non-biased view on why the above statement is acceptable, without the thinly veiled anti-semitism that is a strong under current on this forum in any thread related to jews.

Your non-biased view is judging users who point out the connection and 3000 year documented history between Jews and money lending, which is relevant to the OP, to be anti-semitic. You claim the anti-semitism is thinly veiled (what ever this means) then in the next breath claim there is a strong undercurrent in any thread related to the Jews. Since when is pointing out the facts racist?

You should be asking why is it that Jews have been despised for 3000 years, well before Islam. Why is it that Jews were forced out from every country they decided to settle in? You think its because they were Jews, and everyone else was racist in history towards the Jews. the reality is it is all to do with money lending, usury, and leverage.

The lefty answer - an obvious trend - is always - oh because humanity is racists towards the Jews, in other words, suggesting that EVERY nation/people are racist towards Jews because they are religious and are never at fault? This is an intellectually dishonest argument, because Jewish history did not begin post WW2.

Your view is bias, simply because I do not see you mention Islamophobia, Hinduphonia, Chistrianphobia, when Muslim, Hindus, and Christians are the the forefront criticism on PP, in fact, these aforementioned religions are criticised way more than Jews on this forum.

Feel free to counter the relationship between Jews and money Lending spanning 3000 years, but don't tell me your view is unbiased when clearly it is not.

 

[Technics 1210]

again, you talk about wealth transfer, and explicitly mention low interest rates as a means to transfer wealth, which i agree with, but then shift from focusing on the entire system, to focusing on the least credit worthy debt of all because I'm sure you know for the past few decades credit worthy mortgage, commercial, sovereign debt, etc, the vast majority of overall debt, have all traded between 0.5% and 5% of the base rate, which is not usurous by any measure.
.

As I said, the history of Jewish money lending and usury doesn't start from 2008, it starts before the birth of Jesus [PBUH].

 

[Robert]

That's the problem in this country Rob. The Anglos still seem to think driving a nice car and having a drive is a white privilege. Don't expect any Johnny Singhs or Billy Patels to spell this out though. Not the way they work.

I can’t disagree.

 

[Robert]

I can’t disagree.

Actually I can, as not all “Anglos” think alike. Some of us even marry desis. It’s more of a class issue than race.

 

[Abel Reames]

You should be asking why is it that Jews have been despised for 3000 years, well before Islam. Why is it that Jews were forced out from every country they decided to settle in? You think its because they were Jews, and everyone else was racist in history towards the Jews. the reality is it is all to do with money lending, usury, and leverage.

They were only despised anf forced out of the every country by way of progroms when it came to paying them back the money the indigenous population borrowed from them. When lending money they must have been loved, just it became easier killing them rather than paying them back.

Your view is bias, simply because I do not see you mention Islamophobia, Hinduphonia, Chistrianphobia, when Muslim, Hindus, and Christians are the the forefront criticism on PP, in fact, these aforementioned religions are criticised way more than Jews on this forum

Religions are a concept and should be rightly held up for examination and satirised and ridiculed if necessary. Who is stopping criticism of Judaism? Humans that practise religions any/all or none are a different matter.

 

[SalimBhai]

They were only despised anf forced out of the every country by way of progroms when it came to paying them back the money the indigenous population borrowed from them. When lending money they must have been loved, just it became easier killing them rather than paying them back.



Religions are a concept and should be rightly held up for examination and satirised and ridiculed if necessary. Who is stopping criticism of Judaism? Humans that practise religions any/all or none are a different matter.

You can criticize Judaism all you want. The libraries are full of books that criticize Christianity or Judaism. There is NO LAW against it.

 

[Clueless]

I don’t recognise this as true.

In UK at least, calling any minority person those names would be met with outcry and lose the speaker their job. Remember when Katie Hopkins referred to Muslims and said “We need a final solution”? Instantly fired by LBC. And all the Yorkshire CCC players and managers sacked for racially abusing Azeem Rafiq.

you lack the POV of us brown folks, we dont enjoy the same luxury.
Even a genuine person like you dont get it, think what an average white man thinks.
Blatant discrimination was evident when people were fleeing from ukraine last year, how third class treatment was being out to brown and blacks, how sad europe was feeling for blue eyed white fellows in a the suppsedly "civilized portion of the world.

 

[topspin]

I don’t think it’s British Muslims. I think this victimhood is more seen in British Pakistanis.

That's exactly what I was getting towards the end of my previous post but thanks for emphasising this. From my experience of non-Pakistani British Muslim communities, they have a more progressive mindset

The victimhood mindset is a theme that holds true of British Pakistani communities because most of them come from run down areas in the UK. I have cousins in Birmingham who've told me all about this. They mentioned that a large number of these Pakistanis in their city don't integrate with White people and other ethnic and religious groups because most of them are poorly educated and are are closed minded. The OP is also from Birmingham and guess what they're so many no go areas in this city because Pakistanis have literally turned it into a dump.

Sadly we lag behind our American counterparts because they're well educated and doing well themselves but I'm happy for them as they have a respectable reputation unlike the Pakistanis based in the UK.

To summarise, the victimhood mentality along with the attraction to conspiracy theories is the result of the lack of integration with other communities compounded by the poor education of British Pakistanis. The OP's track record with such threads is a reflection of this mindset which is very much prevalent among Pakistanis who live in such areas of the UK.

 

[SalimBhai]

That's exactly what I was getting towards the end of my previous post but thanks for emphasising this. From my experience of non-Pakistani British Muslim communities, they have a more progressive mindset

The victimhood mindset is a theme that holds true of British Pakistani communities because most of them come from run down areas in the UK. I have cousins in Birmingham who've told me all about this. They mentioned that a large number of these Pakistanis in their city don't integrate with White people and other ethnic and religious groups because most of them are poorly educated and are are closed minded. The OP is also from Birmingham and guess what they're so many no go areas in this city because Pakistanis have literally turned it into a dump.

Sadly we lag behind our American counterparts because they're well educated and doing well themselves but I'm happy for them as they have a respectable reputation unlike the Pakistanis based in the UK.

To summarise, the victimhood mentality along with the attraction to conspiracy theories is the result of the lack of integration with other communities compounded by the poor education of British Pakistanis. The OP's track record with such threads is a reflection of this mindset which is very much prevalent among Pakistanis who live in such areas of the UK.

I assume you are from UK , Pakistani also. What life experiences made you different from the usual crowd on the Message board? Usually enjoy your posts

 

[Robert]

you lack the POV of us brown folks, we dont enjoy the same luxury.
Even a genuine person like you dont get it, think what an average white man thinks.
Blatant discrimination was evident when people were fleeing from ukraine last year, how third class treatment was being out to brown and blacks, how sad europe was feeling for blue eyed white fellows in a the suppsedly "civilized portion of the world.

But I also see through the eyes of my Black family members, and of Black and Brown intellectuals I have read.

You’re deflecting. Your point was that Jews are afforded some sort of special protection in the media, and I gave two examples of how British Muslims are afforded the same protection as British Jews, which you have ignored.

 

[Technics 1210]

It is a complete and utter lie that Muslims, Christians, Hindus etc are afforded the same protection as Jews in the UK, not true, for the simple fact Jews are seen as a race, while the other religions are not.

Ken Livingstone was sacked for mentioning the Harvana agreement - the agreement is a historical fact, documented agreement, thus evidence of a Zionist and Nazi partnership. He was sacked because it caused offence to the Jewish community.

Now, go and shout Muslims are terrorists, and tell me who gets sacked and who is cancelled.

As for the Yokshire CCC players, they were sacked to appease the woke gallery, which is why the said players are suing the Yorkshire CCC for unfair dismissal.

 

[SalimBhai]

Victimhood card being played again and again.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That's exactly what I was getting towards the end of my previous post but thanks for emphasising this. From my experience of non-Pakistani British Muslim communities, they have a more progressive mindset

The victimhood mindset is a theme that holds true of British Pakistani communities because most of them come from run down areas in the UK. I have cousins in Birmingham who've told me all about this. They mentioned that a large number of these Pakistanis in their city don't integrate with White people and other ethnic and religious groups because most of them are poorly educated and are are closed minded. The OP is also from Birmingham and guess what they're so many no go areas in this city because Pakistanis have literally turned it into a dump.

Sadly we lag behind our American counterparts because they're well educated and doing well themselves but I'm happy for them as they have a respectable reputation unlike the Pakistanis based in the UK.

To summarise, the victimhood mentality along with the attraction to conspiracy theories is the result of the lack of integration with other communities compounded by the poor education of British Pakistanis. The OP's track record with such threads is a reflection of this mindset which is very much prevalent among Pakistanis who live in such areas of the UK.

There is no law people must integrate. You yourself told everyone on this forum, your parents ran away from Birmingham, the truth seems to be you have a superiority complex, thinking you are better than others or are ashamed or your race/culture , which is evident through your posts. When in reality you're not.

What you have wrote has nothing to do with the thread subject, just another day of you crying on this forum.

 

[topspin]

I assume you are from UK , Pakistani also. What life experiences made you different from the usual crowd on the Message board? Usually enjoy your posts

Yes I am.

I would say there's a lot of good posters here but the problem is there is a select few (around 3 to 5 of them) who make the most noise on Timepass with their hate filled drivel. You'll always find them on threads relating to BLM, Jews, Geopolitics and etc.

The key for me is to think with an open mind and the key to this is to be able to think objectively. Unfortunately this doesn't come across naturally to those UK Pakistanis because a large number of them are surrounded by their own people who are filling their heads with conspiracy theories and playing the victim card. They've been told from an early age "that the world is against us". This has a terrible impact on the youth. This kind of negativity results in hate and distrust from a very early age which can be very dangerous as this can lead to resentment. This is probably the most profound reason as to why Pakistanis don't wish to integrate with non-Pakistanis/non-Muslims.

What shocks me is that even though I feel we have been blessed with the best opportunities to progress in our lives, the resentment towards the UK and the West as a whole is appalling and quite frankly a disgrace. You only have to go to the Russia/Ukraine war thread to see the anti-Western rhetoric for yourself, where the usual suspects are expressing their joy and support towards Russia with what they're doing to innocent Ukrainian citizens. I never thought war would be an occasion to rejoice but it makes me realise how much evil there is in people behind their screens.

This is why integrating with non-Pakistanis is equally, if not more important for British Pakistanis to do in order to gain a broader perspective of the ground realities. I've been lucky enough to have had a good upbringing and mix with everyone without a prejudice mindset from a very early age in my childhood.

I'm also well travelled but unfortunately the same can't be said for many British Pakistanis who only stick to places like Dubai, Turkiye and Morocco which I guess sums it up really.

 

[SalimBhai]

Yes I am.

I would say there's a lot of good posters here but the problem is there is a select few (around 3 to 5 of them) who make the most noise on Timepass with their hate filled drivel. You'll always find them on threads relating to BLM, Jews, Geopolitics and etc.

The key for me is to think with an open mind and the key to this is to be able to think objectively. Unfortunately this doesn't come across naturally to those UK Pakistanis because a large number of them are surrounded by their own people who are filling their heads with conspiracy theories and playing the victim card. They've been told from an early age "that the world is against us". This has a terrible impact on the youth. This kind of negativity results in hate and distrust from a very early age which can be very dangerous as this can lead to resentment. This is probably the most profound reason as to why Pakistanis don't wish to integrate with non-Pakistanis/non-Muslims.

What shocks me is that even though I feel we have been blessed with the best opportunities to progress in our lives, the resentment towards the UK and the West as a whole is appalling and quite frankly a disgrace. You only have to go to the Russia/Ukraine war thread to see the anti-Western rhetoric for yourself, where the usual suspects are expressing their joy and support towards Russia with what they're doing to innocent Ukrainian citizens. I never thought war would be an occasion to rejoice but it makes me realise how much evil there is in people behind their screens.

This is why integrating with non-Pakistanis is equally, if not more important for British Pakistanis to do in order to gain a broader perspective of the ground realities. I've been lucky enough to have had a good upbringing and mix with everyone without a prejudice mindset from a very early age in my childhood.

I'm also well travelled but unfortunately the same can't be said for many British Pakistanis who only stick to places like Dubai, Turkiye and Morocco which I guess sums it up really.

Thats exactly what I thought also. Thankfully in the USA it's much different. Which is good for the future generations

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes I am.

I would say there's a lot of good posters here but the problem is there is a select few (around 3 to 5 of them) who make the most noise on Timepass with their hate filled drivel. You'll always find them on threads relating to BLM, Jews, Geopolitics and etc.

The key for me is to think with an open mind and the key to this is to be able to think objectively. Unfortunately this doesn't come across naturally to those UK Pakistanis because a large number of them are surrounded by their own people who are filling their heads with conspiracy theories and playing the victim card. They've been told from an early age "that the world is against us". This has a terrible impact on the youth. This kind of negativity results in hate and distrust from a very early age which can be very dangerous as this can lead to resentment. This is probably the most profound reason as to why Pakistanis don't wish to integrate with non-Pakistanis/non-Muslims.

What shocks me is that even though I feel we have been blessed with the best opportunities to progress in our lives, the resentment towards the UK and the West as a whole is appalling and quite frankly a disgrace. You only have to go to the Russia/Ukraine war thread to see the anti-Western rhetoric for yourself, where the usual suspects are expressing their joy and support towards Russia with what they're doing to innocent Ukrainian citizens. I never thought war would be an occasion to rejoice but it makes me realise how much evil there is in people behind their screens.

This is why integrating with non-Pakistanis is equally, if not more important for British Pakistanis to do in order to gain a broader perspective of the ground realities. I've been lucky enough to have had a good upbringing and mix with everyone without a prejudice mindset from a very early age in my childhood.

I'm also well travelled but unfortunately the same can't be said for many British Pakistanis who only stick to places like Dubai, Turkiye and Morocco which I guess sums it up really.

You think too highly of yourself )

Many Brit Paks have travelled more than you have .

Its you and daddy who doesnt know how to integrate as you ran off like coconuts. Im not surprised by your uncle tom attitude but also not surprised you didnt stay to defend yourself. You're very good at crying behind your keyboard.

 

[Technics 1210]

What I find unsurprising is that the usual suspects (and there's a lot of them) are not interested in discussing the OP and the connection between Jews and Money Lending, or any other thought provoking subjects, but are, as usual, just interested in dissing Pakistan, Islam, Muslims, and moreover British Pakistanis, on a British Pakistani forum!

These people are afraid of being challenged - fact.

 

[SalimBhai]

What I find unsurprising is that the usual suspects (and there's a lot of them) are not interested in discussing the OP and the connection between Jews and Money Lending, or any other thought provoking subjects, but are, as usual, just interested in dissing Pakistan, Islam, Muslims, and moreover British Pakistanis, on a British Pakistani forum!

These people are afraid of being challenged - fact.

Dude you are the one not answering questions. And running away from your fake made up statements once confronted. It really is hilarious!!

 

[KingKhanWC]

What I find unsurprising is that the usual suspects (and there's a lot of them) are not interested in discussing the OP and the connection between Jews and Money Lending, or any other thought provoking subjects, but are, as usual, just interested in dissing Pakistan, Islam, Muslims, and moreover British Pakistanis, on a British Pakistani forum!

These people are afraid of being challenged - fact.

They dont have the intellect to discuss most topics and are also possessed by their own personal life issues.

But a point which is linked to the topic, the Zionists feed on such people esp who are from the Muslim or ethnic community. The sell outs or those who love them more are always willing to do more for their cause , even more than them.

Although they have major influence their numbers are low, so having such people to do their bidding, often without asking through brainwashing is a excellent strategy.

 

[Technics 1210]

They dont have the intellect to discuss most topics and are also possessed by their own personal life issues.

But a point which is linked to the topic, the Zionists feed on such people esp who are from the Muslim or ethnic community. The sell outs or those who love them more are always willing to do more for their cause , even more than them.

Although they have major influence their numbers are low, so having such people to do their bidding, often without asking through brainwashing is a excellent strategy.

100% True.

These are the people who blindly accept information without challenging or verifying it, and the result? They will shout "Antisemitisim" because they do not know how to counter information or even a view, that challenges decades of Zionist brainwashing. The Zionists propaganda machine needs people like this, because without such people, there is no control.

No one, and I mean no one, has denied the connection between Jewish history and Money Lending, which is pertinent to the OP, instead they resort to cries of Anti-Semitisim, and the usual anti-Pakistani bile.

I think part of this is also due to the fact that the majority who cry Anti-Semitisim in such threads, do not even live in the West, so are utterly devoid of how Zionism controls and influences people who live in the West.

There is no substitute experience for people like you and me who were born in the UK, and have experience decades of Zionist propaganda through the system, not even those who migrated mid-life, let alone those who pretend to live in the West.

 

[KingKhanWC]

100% True.

These are the people who blindly accept information without challenging or verifying it, and the result? They will shout "Antisemitisim" because they do not know how to counter information or even a view, that challenges decades of Zionist brainwashing. The Zionists propaganda machine needs people like this, because without such people, there is no control.

No one, and I mean no one, has denied the connection between Jewish history and Money Lending, which is pertinent to the OP, instead they resort to cries of Anti-Semitisim, and the usual anti-Pakistani bile.

I think part of this is also due to the fact that the majority who cry Anti-Semitisim in such threads, do not even live in the West, so are utterly devoid of how Zionism controls and influences people who live in the West.

There is no substitute experience for people like you and me who were born in the UK, and have experience decades of Zionist propaganda through the system, not even those who migrated mid-life, let alone those who pretend to live in the West.

Malcolm X hit the nail on the head , although different circumstances same principle applies here.

One of the greatest speeches in modern history imo!

Malcolm describes the difference between the "house *****" and the "field *****."
Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan. 23 January 1963.
Transcribed text from audio excerpt. [read entire speech]

So you have two types of *****. The old type and the new type. Most of you know the old type. When you read about him in history during slavery he was called "Uncle Tom." He was the house *****. And during slavery you had two Negroes. You had the house ***** and the field *****.

The house ***** usually lived close to his master. He dressed like his master. He wore his master's second-hand clothes. He ate food that his master left on the table. And he lived in his master's house--probably in the basement or the attic--but he still lived in the master's house.

So whenever that house ***** identified himself, he always identified himself in the same sense that his master identified himself. When his master said, "We have good food," the house ***** would say, "Yes, we have plenty of good food." "We" have plenty of good food. When the master said that "we have a fine home here," the house ***** said, "Yes, we have a fine home here." When the master would be sick, the house ***** identified himself so much with his master he'd say, "What's the matter boss, we sick?" His master's pain was his pain. And it hurt him more for his master to be sick than for him to be sick himself. When the house started burning down, that type of ***** would fight harder to put the master's house out than the master himself would.

But then you had another ***** out in the field. The house ***** was in the minority. The masses--the field Negroes were the masses. They were in the majority. When the master got sick, they prayed that he'd die. [Laughter] If his house caught on fire, they'd pray for a wind to come along and fan the breeze.

If someone came to the house ***** and said, "Let's go, let's separate," naturally that Uncle Tom would say, "Go where? What could I do without boss? Where would I live? How would I dress? Who would look out for me?" That's the house *****. But if you went to the field ***** and said, "Let's go, let's separate," he wouldn't even ask you where or how. He'd say, "Yes, let's go." And that one ended right there.

So now you have a twentieth-century-type of house *****. A twentieth-century Uncle Tom. He's just as much an Uncle Tom today as Uncle Tom was 100 and 200 years ago. Only he's a modern Uncle Tom. That Uncle Tom wore a handkerchief around his head. This Uncle Tom wears a top hat. He's sharp. He dresses just like you do. He speaks the same phraseology, the same language. He tries to speak it better than you do. He speaks with the same accents, same diction. And when you say, "your army," he says, "our army." He hasn't got anybody to defend him, but anytime you say "we" he says "we." "Our president," "our government," "our Senate," "our congressmen," "our this and our that." And he hasn't even got a seat in that "our" even at the end of the line. So this is the twentieth-century *****. Whenever you say "you," the personal pronoun in the singular or in the plural, he uses it right along with you. When you say you're in trouble, he says, "Yes, we're in trouble."

But there's another kind of Black man on the scene. If you say you're in trouble, he says, "Yes, you're in trouble." [Laughter] He doesn't identify himself with your plight whatsoever.

SOURCE: X, Malcolm. "The Race Problem." African Students Associa

https://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/mmt/mxp/speeches/mxa17.html

 

[RexRex]

What I find unsurprising is that the usual suspects (and there's a lot of them) are not interested in discussing the OP and the connection between Jews and Money Lending, or any other thought provoking subjects, but are, as usual, just interested in dissing Pakistan, Islam, Muslims, and moreover British Pakistanis, on a British Pakistani forum!

These people are afraid of being challenged - fact.

I was a bit shocked to see you subtly justify anti-semitism in one of your posts earlier by saying it was based on their medieval money-lending practices. Casting an entire race in a bad light because of what merchants did is not cool. By that token, even islamophobia can be subtly justified by pointing to what happened to salman rushdie, those danish cartoonists, 9/11 etc, suicide bomblings ..

Anyway I am struck by how every argument on here is signed off with the caveat that this is a british pakistani forum. Indian posters see this is a cricket message board on the internet, whereas you see it as your fiefdom/territory. I don't see the point in having this discussion. Over and out.

 

[Technics 1210]

I was a bit shocked to see you subtly justify anti-semitism in one of your posts earlier by saying it was based on their medieval money-lending practices. Casting an entire race in a bad light because of what merchants did is not cool. By that token, even islamophobia can be subtly justified by pointing to what happened to salman rushdie, those danish cartoonists, 9/11 etc, suicide bomblings ..

This is exactly what I mean.

Stating a fact on the relationship between Jews and money lending is casting an entire race in a bad light. Pull the other one.

This user would have no problem if someone said Pakistani/Muslims are terrorists, in fact, he encourages the discussion on the link between Pakistan/Islam and terrorism.

Hats off to the Zionist propaganda machine.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I was a bit shocked to see you subtly justify anti-semitism in one of your posts earlier by saying it was based on their medieval money-lending practices. Casting an entire race in a bad light because of what merchants did is not cool. By that token, even islamophobia can be subtly justified by pointing to what happened to salman rushdie, those danish cartoonists, 9/11 etc, suicide bomblings ..

Anyway I am struck by how every argument on here is signed off with the caveat that this is a british pakistani forum. Indian posters see this is a cricket message board on the internet, whereas you see it as your fiefdom/territory. I don't see the point in having this discussion. Over and out.

Read an earlier post , even Shakespeare wrote a book on it in the 1500's, their own holy texts order them not to charge interest on fellow Jews but put others into economic slavery. Are you suggesting the Torah is also antisemtic, hates Jews?

 

[Technics 1210]

Read an earlier post , even Shakespeare wrote a book on it in the 1500's, their own holy texts order them not to charge interest on fellow Jews but put others into economic slavery. Are you suggesting the Torah is also antisemtic, hates Jews?

I am willing to bet no one has read the Torah here, or knew about the episode where Jesus [PBUH] cleansed the temple of money lenders, or even Nathan Mayer Rothschild and 'Waterloo'.

The very practice of money lending with usury is the reason why Jews have historically been kicked out of every nation they settled in. There is a litany of documented evidence, from the Torah, right up to the wars in the ME. With money lending through 1000s of years, Zionists have now established themselves in the most powerful positions within Politics, Finance, and Media.

No one can deny these facts, and shouting anti-Semitism is just brushing the root cause under the carpet and turning a blind eye.

The sad reality is that most of these new born keyboard warriors are sold the lie that Muslims are the only one's who are 'antisemitic', when the reality is that 'anti-Semitism' existed well before the revelation of the Qur'an, and was alive and well during the time of Jesus [PBUH], and even now, there are more people antisemitic outside of the Islamic world, than in.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am willing to bet no one has read the Torah here, or knew about the episode where Jesus [PBUH] cleansed the temple of money lenders, or even Nathan Mayer Rothschild and 'Waterloo'.

The very practice of money lending with usury is the reason why Jews have historically been kicked out of every nation they settled in. There is a litany of documented evidence, from the Torah, right up to the wars in the ME. With money lending through 1000s of years, Zionists have now established themselves in the most powerful positions within Politics, Finance, and Media.

No one can deny these facts, and shouting anti-Semitism is just brushing the root cause under the carpet and turning a blind eye.

The sad reality is that most of these new born keyboard warriors are sold the lie that Muslims are the only one's who are 'antisemitic', when the reality is that 'anti-Semitism' existed well before the revelation of the Qur'an, and was alive and well during the time of Jesus [PBUH], and even now, there are more people antisemitic outside of the Islamic world, than in.

Jesus was the next point I was going to make but as you have now, do they also believe Jesus was anti-Jew, having been born in a Jewish family? The logic of such people is beyond idiotic, on the brink of lunacy.

I think many of them also dont understand who are Semitic people. For their help.

": a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs. : a descendant of these peoples. : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language."

The term anti-Semitic itself doesnt make any sense but has been used to stop or quell the truth or genuine criticism. In essence they are laughing at such people who are being used just like what Malcolm said about the Uncle Toms.

 

[Technics 1210]

Jesus was the next point I was going to make but as you have now, do they also believe Jesus was anti-Jew, having been born in a Jewish family? The logic of such people is beyond idiotic, on the brink of lunacy.

I think many of them also dont understand who are Semitic people. For their help.

": a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs. : a descendant of these peoples. : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language."

The term anti-Semitic itself doesnt make any sense but has been used to stop or quell the truth or genuine criticism. In essence they are laughing at such people who are being used just like what Malcolm said about the Uncle Toms.

Jesus [PBUH] was not anti-Jew, he was anti money lending, but what happened after the cleansing of the temple - yup, the Jews at the time called Jesus [PBUH] a heretic and fake, and as a result, Jesus [PBUH] was crucified. Every Christian who has read the Bible knows the Jews were responsible.

And yes, many do not realise Arabs are also semitic people, however, the term anti-Semitic as we know today is the result of commercialising the persecution and suffering of Jewish people in WW2. By this I mean, events are used to gain sympathy and positions of power. The same applies with BLM, another attempt at commercialising the suffering of people in hope to gain sympathy and positions of power.

It's sickening, given millions more across different races spanning different times in humanity have suffered one way or another, but they never demand sympathy.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Jesus [PBUH] was not anti-Jew, he was anti money lending, but what happened after the cleansing of the temple - yup, the Jews at the time called Jesus [PBUH] a heretic and fake, and as a result, Jesus [PBUH] was crucified. Every Christian who has read the Bible knows the Jews were responsible.

And yes, many do not realise Arabs are also semitic people, however, the term anti-Semitic as we know today is the result of commercialising the persecution and suffering of Jewish people in WW2. By this I mean, events are used to gain sympathy and positions of power. The same applies with BLM, another attempt at commercialising the suffering of people in hope to gain sympathy and positions of power.

It's sickening, given millions more across different races spanning different times in humanity have suffered one way or another, but they never demand sympathy.

There are many stories in Judaism's own history which if told , there would be people crying antisemtism, such as the Golden calf ,exile of Jews form holy land, allowed to strangle people to death as a punishment, its ok for gentiles to indulge in incest... the list goes on and on but you mention this , you're racist lol.

 

[Technics 1210]

There are many stories in Judaism's own history which if told , there would be people crying antisemtism, such as the Golden calf ,exile of Jews form holy land, allowed to strangle people to death as a punishment, its ok for gentiles to indulge in incest... the list goes on and on but you mention this , you're racist lol.

The Golden Calf is the starting point, after which, Moses [PBUH] said in his last sermon - curse be the ground you walk on for you shall never see peace - hence from that point on they went into exile and kick starting the practice of money lending.

This is why in the Qur'an, the verse after the opening, is surah Baqarah (The Calf, The Cow) and also the longest in the Qur'an - to teach mankind the most important lesson foremost - be grateful and never commit idolatry.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Golden Calf is the starting point, after which, Moses [PBUH] said in his last sermon - curse be the ground you walk on for you shall never see peace - hence from that point on they went into exile and kick starting the practice of money lending.

This is why in the Qur'an, the verse after the opening, is surah Baqarah (The Calf, The Cow) and also the longest in the Qur'an - to teach mankind the most important lesson foremost - be grateful and never commit idolatry.

You know your stuff bro. Also remember Moses(pbuh) is the most mentioned Prophet in the Quran, 136 times, next is Abraham(pbuh), 70 times, its interesting both are also Jewish prophets. The Quran also mentions there will be a time Jews and Christians will unite, then dont trust them. This is when Zionist Jews and Christians made an alliance. ,which is still present today. Previously Jews were protected by Muslims from Christians.

We didnt write the history of Jews or advise them on how to conduct themselves in finances etc, they choose this by their own free will ,yet to state the obvious is hatred or racism.

 

[Technics 1210]

You know your stuff bro. Also remember Moses(pbuh) is the most mentioned Prophet in the Quran, 136 times, next is Abraham(pbuh), 70 times, its interesting both are also Jewish prophets. The Quran also mentions there will be a time Jews and Christians will unite, then dont trust them. This is when Zionist Jews and Christians made an alliance. ,which is still present today. Previously Jews were protected by Muslims from Christians.

We didnt write the history of Jews or advise them on how to conduct themselves in finances etc, they choose this by their own free will ,yet to state the obvious is hatred or racism.

Exactly, Moses [PBUH] is the most mentioned messenger in the Qur'an and for good reason.

What we also know is that Allah sent the Jews their Messiah - Jesus [PBUH], and we also know what the Jews thought of Jesus [PBUH] and his crucifixion.

This is why Christian Zionism existed long before Jewish Zionism, but now they have united in a common cause, that is to help the return of their Messiah - underpinned by the Amreekan Isreali alliance.

These are facts which like you say, are no longer discussed because they are deemed anti-semitic/racist/hatred.

However, facts do not care about feelings.

 

[Robert]

Yes I am.

I would say there's a lot of good posters here but the problem is there is a select few (around 3 to 5 of them) who make the most noise on Timepass with their hate filled drivel. You'll always find them on threads relating to BLM, Jews, Geopolitics and etc.

The key for me is to think with an open mind and the key to this is to be able to think objectively. Unfortunately this doesn't come across naturally to those UK Pakistanis because a large number of them are surrounded by their own people who are filling their heads with conspiracy theories and playing the victim card. They've been told from an early age "that the world is against us". This has a terrible impact on the youth. This kind of negativity results in hate and distrust from a very early age which can be very dangerous as this can lead to resentment. This is probably the most profound reason as to why Pakistanis don't wish to integrate with non-Pakistanis/non-Muslims.

What shocks me is that even though I feel we have been blessed with the best opportunities to progress in our lives, the resentment towards the UK and the West as a whole is appalling and quite frankly a disgrace. You only have to go to the Russia/Ukraine war thread to see the anti-Western rhetoric for yourself, where the usual suspects are expressing their joy and support towards Russia with what they're doing to innocent Ukrainian citizens. I never thought war would be an occasion to rejoice but it makes me realise how much evil there is in people behind their screens.

I agree with this. It’s very sad to see (some) Muslims roaring on the monsters in in Ukraine, just because of hatred of the West that took them in, educated them and protected them with legal rights.

Also truly sad to see that they do not support other minority / disadvantaged groups sticking up for themselves. As though only they have a right to feel aggrieved.

 

[SalimBhai]

I agree with this. It’s very sad to see (some) Muslims roaring on the monsters in in Ukraine, just because of hatred of the West that took them in, educated them and protected them with legal rights.

Also truly sad to see that they do not support other minority / disadvantaged groups sticking up for themselves. As though only they have a right to feel aggrieved.

Victimhood card is s death blow to the mind.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I agree with this. It’s very sad to see (some) Muslims roaring on the monsters in in Ukraine, just because of hatred of the West that took them in, educated them and protected them with legal rights.

Also truly sad to see that they do not support other minority / disadvantaged groups sticking up for themselves. As though only they have a right to feel aggrieved.

This is about as patronising a post as I've seen in a long time. Try using that language with your BLM friends and see how they like it. Maybe you can advise your British born black associates that they should be more appreciative of taking them in, educating them and protecting them with legal rights.

We all love to point out "the other's" faults, but when we get it back it's not so enjoyable, and the same guys who whine about victimhood or conspiracy theories, then start shrieking about Indo-phobia. Well guys, I would say don't take everything at face value, sometimes a direction is taken just to make us think from the other point of view.

 

[sweep_shot]

This is about as patronising a post as I've seen in a long time. Try using that language with your BLM friends and see how they like it. Maybe you can advise your British born black associates that they should be more appreciative of taking them in, educating them and protecting them with legal rights.

We all love to point out "the other's" faults, but when we get it back it's not so enjoyable, and the same guys who whine about victimhood or conspiracy theories, then start shrieking about Indo-phobia. Well guys, I would say don't take everything at face value, sometimes a direction is taken just to make us think from the other point of view.

Robert only seems to care about white interests and black interests (his wife is black).

This is the same guy who supported American invasion of Afghanistan, American invasion of Iraq (initially), and justified nuking of Japan in WW2 (reference: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...Quran-burning-protest&p=11743837#post11743837).

As per him, everything western is perfect and we must sing praises like sheep.

 

[Robert]

This is about as patronising a post as I've seen in a long time. Try using that language with your BLM friends and see how they like it. Maybe you can advise your British born black associates that they should be more appreciative of taking them in, educating them and protecting them with legal rights.

We all love to point out "the other's" faults, but when we get it back it's not so enjoyable, and the same guys who whine about victimhood or conspiracy theories, then start shrieking about Indo-phobia. Well guys, I would say don't take everything at face value, sometimes a direction is taken just to make us think from the other point of view.

Cap, my BLM-supporting friends (i.e. every Black person I know) don't support Putin's imperialist war, or criticise other races for sticking up for themselves. They might rail against racism by some White Ukrainians, but they hear the monkey chants from Russian football stadia too.

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION],

The Golden Calf story of the Torah / Old Testament was a warning against idolatry. Having thrown down the statue, Moses ascended the mountain again and came back with new stone tablets to replace those he broke in his fury. Then he led the Israelites to the borders of the Promised Land, though he never crossed over. Joshua finished the journey.

They were conquered and exiled by Nebuchadnezzer II who destroyed the First Temple in 587 BC. However they regrouped and built the Second Temple eighty years later.

The Jewish diaspora was dispersed across Europe when the Roman Empire destroyed their rebellion against colonial rule, and broke the Second Temple.

"To state the obvious" is not hatred or racism. Just be careful how you phrase it, don't generalise and be specific.

 

[Technics 1210]

Cap, my BLM-supporting friends (i.e. every Black person I know) don't support Putin's imperialist war, or criticise other races for sticking up for themselves. They might rail against racism by some White Ukrainians, but they hear the monkey chants from Russian football stadia too.

Have I read this right? The black community do not criticise other races for sticking up for themselves?

The black community in the West spend day and night criticising and ridiculing the entire White race, and go even further by critisiing the white race when black community police officers murder a fellow black brother.

These liberal deception and commercialisation of struggle must be stopped.

 

[ElRaja]

Your non-biased view is judging users who point out the connection and 3000 year documented history between Jews and money lending, which is relevant to the OP, to be anti-semitic. You claim the anti-semitism is thinly veiled (what ever this means) then in the next breath claim there is a strong undercurrent in any thread related to the Jews. Since when is pointing out the facts racist?

You should be asking why is it that Jews have been despised for 3000 years, well before Islam. Why is it that Jews were forced out from every country they decided to settle in? You think its because they were Jews, and everyone else was racist in history towards the Jews. the reality is it is all to do with money lending, usury, and leverage.

The lefty answer - an obvious trend - is always - oh because humanity is racists towards the Jews, in other words, suggesting that EVERY nation/people are racist towards Jews because they are religious and are never at fault? This is an intellectually dishonest argument, because Jewish history did not begin post WW2.

Your view is bias, simply because I do not see you mention Islamophobia, Hinduphonia, Chistrianphobia, when Muslim, Hindus, and Christians are the the forefront criticism on PP, in fact, these aforementioned religions are criticised way more than Jews on this forum.

Feel free to counter the relationship between Jews and money Lending spanning 3000 years, but don't tell me your view is unbiased when clearly it is not.

you've gone from implying jews control the world when you quoted me originally, to arguing that the history of the jews and money lending is the reason they are hated, when u know your point regarding usury in the modern economy as the means to enslave everyone doesn't stand.

if imagining me how you do helps you to make sense of the world, your welcome to it. just dont expend too much effort thinking about me

 

[ElRaja]

What is your definition of usury?

charging a rate of interest beyond what you know the money is capable of generating to extract any security held against the loan, which you would not be able to buy in ordinary circumstances. in modern parlance, this would be called predatory lending.

 

[Technics 1210]

you've gone from implying jews control the world when you quoted me originally, to arguing that the history of the jews and money lending is the reason they are hated, when u know your point regarding usury in the modern economy as the means to enslave everyone doesn't stand.

Actually I said debt is modern economic slavery.

And yes the point was always about Jewish history with money lending, I just had to correct you because you seem to be fixated with post 2008 events while ignoring nearly 3000 years of history.

As I said, feel free to counter.

 

[topspin]

Thats exactly what I thought also. Thankfully in the USA it's much different. Which is good for the future generations

Indeed US based Pakistanis have a good future and I'm happy to see that at least they're able to carry themselves well. Things will change in the UK but it'll take some time. Eventually knowledge will get passed on to the future generations, who will become more educated and hold a broader perspective. Their influence will weed out the current crop of dinosaurs, including those on PP, who unfortunately for them will be best known for their love affair with their conspiracy theories, victimhood mindset and their deranged views on geopolitics, BLM and Jews.

History will remember the first generation who came from Pakistan to the UK in good light due to their personal sacrifices and struggles they endured to make ends meet for themselves and their family. But also because they actually integrated well with British society. It's the following generations (thus far) who have tarnished the reputation of Pakistanis.

I remember you mentioning on another thread about your visit to Birmingham and the terrible experience you had there. My advice to you is to if you have to visit UK again, stick to London only and avoid Birmingham at all costs if you can.

 

[SalimBhai]

Indeed US based Pakistanis have a good future and I'm happy to see that at least they're able to carry themselves well. Things will change in the UK but it'll take some time. Eventually knowledge will get passed on to the future generations, who will become more educated and hold a broader perspective. Their influence will weed out the current crop of dinosaurs, including those on PP, who unfortunately for them will be best known for their love affair with their conspiracy theories, victimhood mindset and their deranged views on geopolitics, BLM and Jews.

History will remember the first generation who came from Pakistan to the UK in good light due to their personal sacrifices and struggles they endured to make ends meet for themselves and their family. But also because they actually integrated well with British society. It's the following generations (thus far) who have tarnished the reputation of Pakistanis.

I remember you mentioning on another thread about your visit to Birmingham and the terrible experience you had there. My advice to you is to if you have to visit UK again, stick to London only and avoid Birmingham at all costs if you can.

Birmingham was an eye sore. However the worst I saw was in an area where my friend took me to eat some kebabs. Lahore kebabs. I can’t remember the places name. It was not predominantly Pakistani or even Muslim. I saw plenty of Eastern European and Muslims . After eating we came out and a young women was walking in a short skirt. Out of nowhere came this British Pakistanis dressed in an Arab dress. He started shouting at her that this is a Muslim area and she should dress more modestly . I think she was Eastern European and did not catch her comment. I was a bit shocked , my friend not so much

 

[topspin]

I agree with this. It’s very sad to see (some) Muslims roaring on the monsters in in Ukraine, just because of hatred of the West that took them in, educated them and protected them with legal rights.

Also truly sad to see that they do not support other minority / disadvantaged groups sticking up for themselves. As though only they have a right to feel aggrieved.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this. I would say however it's more of a Pakistani problem than a Muslim one.

Some of the stuff I've read in the Ukraine/Russia war thread for me is deeply disturbing to say the least especially from the usual suspect who obtains all of his information from Russia Today (RT). What amused me last week is that he thought Pakistan was "untouchable", even if it was to be invaded by the US because they happen to possess nukes. What he didn't know is that Pakistan doesn't have the resources required for their nukes to reach the US. This epitomises their delusion and sums up why they don't have a clue with how the world works.

I've always wondered Robert, what is the motivation behind entering debates with them and responding to their deranged views?

What I've found is whenever you try to reason with them and correct them, more often than not they'll try to divert the discussion somewhere else.

Btw I don't think your post was patronising in any way.

 

[topspin]

Also truly sad to see that they do not support other minority / disadvantaged groups sticking up for themselves. As though only they have a right to feel aggrieved.

Their disgust for BLM and for anti-Semitism laws is a dog whistle for their prejudice against these ethnic/religious groups.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Their disgust for BLM and for anti-Semitism laws is a dog whistle for their prejudice against these ethnic/religious groups.

Most of the 'edgy' youtube videos/blogs/sources of information that these people rely on are pumped out in large volumes by far right white supremacists.

Many people will watch these, look at the poor state of their own lives and rather than take some personal responsibility decide that the whole world is against them.

In their eyes only they are right.

Everyone else is wrong and blindly follows mainstream media

They will make anti-semitic statements and criticise zionism in one breath and then defend the ultra zionist Trump in the other

They will speak about the burqa/hijab etc giving women rights in one thread and then defend webcam pimp Tate in another.

It's just superficial right wing nonsense with an 'Islamic' twist.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION],

The Golden Calf story of the Torah / Old Testament was a warning against idolatry. Having thrown down the statue, Moses ascended the mountain again and came back with new stone tablets to replace those he broke in his fury. Then he led the Israelites to the borders of the Promised Land, though he never crossed over. Joshua finished the journey.

They were conquered and exiled by Nebuchadnezzer II who destroyed the First Temple in 587 BC. However they regrouped and built the Second Temple eighty years later.

The Jewish diaspora was dispersed across Europe when the Roman Empire destroyed their rebellion against colonial rule, and broke the Second Temple.

"To state the obvious" is not hatred or racism. Just be careful how you phrase it, don't generalise and be specific.

I have no clue what you are trying to assume or say here. lol

The point was Jews started to worship the a statue, which is a Jewish story but to point this FACT out to some would be racism. Please keep emotions in check and read carefully so you may understand my simple points.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indeed US based Pakistanis have a good future and I'm happy to see that at least they're able to carry themselves well. Things will change in the UK but it'll take some time. Eventually knowledge will get passed on to the future generations, who will become more educated and hold a broader perspective. Their influence will weed out the current crop of dinosaurs, including those on PP, who unfortunately for them will be best known for their love affair with their conspiracy theories, victimhood mindset and their deranged views on geopolitics, BLM and Jews.

History will remember the first generation who came from Pakistan to the UK in good light due to their personal sacrifices and struggles they endured to make ends meet for themselves and their family. But also because they actually integrated well with British society. It's the following generations (thus far) who have tarnished the reputation of Pakistanis.

I remember you mentioning on another thread about your visit to Birmingham and the terrible experience you had there. My advice to you is to if you have to visit UK again, stick to London only and avoid Birmingham at all costs if you can.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this. I would say however it's more of a Pakistani problem than a Muslim one.

Some of the stuff I've read in the Ukraine/Russia war thread for me is deeply disturbing to say the least especially from the usual suspect who obtains all of his information from Russia Today (RT). What amused me last week is that he thought Pakistan was "untouchable", even if it was to be invaded by the US because they happen to possess nukes. What he didn't know is that Pakistan doesn't have the resources required for their nukes to reach the US. This epitomises their delusion and sums up why they don't have a clue with how the world works.

I've always wondered Robert, what is the motivation behind entering debates with them and responding to their deranged views?

What I've found is whenever you try to reason with them and correct them, more often than not they'll try to divert the discussion somewhere else.

Btw I don't think your post was patronising in any way.

Why are you crying again? )

If you have the ability , challenge those posts. Ranting like a child who ran off from home isnt showing you in good light.

 

[Technics 1210]

Why are you crying again? )

If you have the ability , challenge those posts. Ranting like a child who ran off from home isnt showing you in good light.

It is just another example where the poster is being attacked but not the posts, which is a clear cut indication no one can deny the history of Jewish money lending.

Therefore, this sentence from the OP :

He drew criticism this week after saying “the idea that Jewish people are not into money is ridiculous” on Saturday’s episode of his podcast.

.. is a statement of fact, and not racism or the knee jerk response, anti-semitic.

As I said, no one, and I mean no one, can defy the statement in the OP which is why they are reduced to propaganda & fallacious responses.

 

[SalimBhai]

When this poster starts personal attacks it’s usually because he has nothing else to add . Maybe back to the basement to work on a new angle.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It is just another example where the poster is being attacked but not the posts, which is a clear cut indication no one can deny the history of Jewish money lending.

Therefore, this sentence from the OP :



.. is a statement of fact, and not racism or the knee jerk response, anti-semitic.

As I said, no one, and I mean no one, can defy the statement in the OP which is why they are reduced to propaganda & fallacious responses.

Its the Uncle Tom mindset which I discussed and which was explained by the Great Malcolm X. When you look in the mirror and only see the image of you set out by others who you feel are superiour, such thinking will rise.

It was explained clearly Jews are known for money lending inc by William Shakespeare, the Bible, the Torah , Historic banking and more. But again goes back to a colonial , inferior mindset.

 

[topspin]

Most of the 'edgy' youtube videos/blogs/sources of information that these people rely on are pumped out in large volumes by far right white supremacists.

Many people will watch these, look at the poor state of their own lives and rather than take some personal responsibility decide that the whole world is against them.

In their eyes only they are right.

Everyone else is wrong and blindly follows mainstream media

They will make anti-semitic statements and criticise zionism in one breath and then defend the ultra zionist Trump in the other

They will speak about the burqa/hijab etc giving women rights in one thread and then defend webcam pimp Tate in another.

It's just superficial right wing nonsense with an 'Islamic' twist.

This is exactly what I saw myself. I remember in the early 2010s, I was told to follow conspiracy theory material with that "Islamic" twist. A prominent example of this was this series called "The Arrivals". I ended up watching it from start to finish but it didn't take me long to realise that something didn't add up.

One of the reasons for this was because it featured a good number of clips from Alex Jones who funnily enough happens to be a far-right white supremacist himself who supports Tommy Robinson.

Before the Andrew Tate era, Alex Jones was the biggest supplier of conspiracy theories. Now he's bankrupt after defaming the families of those who lost someone close to them from that Sandy Hook shooting. Serves him right as well.

Andrew Tate is just an "Islamic" version of Alex Jones. If I had a choice to follow conspiracy theorists or mainstream media, it's a no brainer really.

As you say these same guys need to take a long look at themselves before playing victim and looking for all kinds of coping mechanisms.

Another classic was the COVID microchip nonsense

I've noticed Trump's biggest fan on PP is not shy about his anti-semitism on this thread either even though his hero happens to be a massive Pro-Israeli Zionist bigot.

You raise an excellent point with regard to the usual suspects who one hand want to be the Burqa/Hijab champion for women and then also defend Tate for his webcam girls and pimping. That penultimate line of yours has literally destroyed the credibility of Tate's fans on here.

Seeing someone revert should be a momentous occasion but in the case of Tate, I wasn't feeling good vibes because I already knew he was a fraud and I could feel he was going to exploit Muslims just so he can boost his social media algothrim. From what I've seen so far, this guy has used Islam to bolster his business interests. People like him make a mockery of Islam.

What happened to Alex Jones and Andrew Tate should be a lesson for those who continue to rely on conspiracy theories and fake messiahs and get to grips with the reality because they're not going to save you.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is exactly what I saw myself. I remember in the early 2010s, I was told to follow conspiracy theory material with that "Islamic" twist. A prominent example of this was this series called "The Arrivals". I ended up watching it from start to finish but it didn't take me long to realise that something didn't add up.

One of the reasons for this was because it featured a good number of clips from Alex Jones who funnily enough happens to be a far-right white supremacist himself who supports Tommy Robinson.

Before the Andrew Tate era, Alex Jones was the biggest supplier of conspiracy theories. Now he's bankrupt after defaming the families of those who lost someone close to them from that Sandy Hook shooting. Serves him right as well.

Andrew Tate is just an "Islamic" version of Alex Jones. If I had a choice to follow conspiracy theorists or mainstream media, it's a no brainer really.

As you say these same guys need to take a long look at themselves before playing victim and looking for all kinds of coping mechanisms.

Another classic was the COVID microchip nonsense

I've noticed Trump's biggest fan on PP is not shy about his anti-semitism on this thread either even though his hero happens to be a massive Pro-Israeli Zionist bigot.

You raise an excellent point with regard to the usual suspects who one hand want to be the Burqa/Hijab champion for women and then also defend Tate for his webcam girls and pimping. That penultimate line of yours has literally destroyed the credibility of Tate's fans on here.

Seeing someone revert should be a momentous occasion but in the case of Tate, I wasn't feeling good vibes because I already knew he was a fraud and I could feel he was going to exploit Muslims just so he can boost his social media algothrim. From what I've seen so far, this guy has used Islam to bolster his business interests. People like him make a mockery of Islam.

What happened to Alex Jones and Andrew Tate should be a lesson for those who continue to rely on conspiracy theories and fake messiahs and get to grips with the reality because they're not going to save you.

Nobody takes Alex Jones seriously )

Covid chips have been working for months now. Thousands of people in Sweden have such chips confirming vaccination since 2021. Do some simple research or you will continue make a fool of yourself but this isnt Birmingham where you can run away from.

I bet your the guy who still walks around with a mask. )

Its proven now Masks do not help in anyway.

A sheep is the worst of humans, lacking critical thinking and following his masters like Uncle Toms didn in American slavery.

You dont have the ablity to debate which is why you spend your day diverting and in a lame elderly man way attacking others without replying to their points.

 

[Robert]

I bet your the guy who still walks around with a mask. )

Its proven now Masks do not help in anyway.

I did when I visited my GP last week, at their request.

Was I being a sheep for taking advice from medical professionals?

 

[Robert]

I have no clue what you are trying to assume or say here. lol

The point was Jews started to worship the a statue, which is a Jewish story but to point this FACT out to some would be racism. Please keep emotions in check and read carefully so you may understand my simple points.

I’m very calm. Your points are not simple, but bound into false equivalences which I repeatedly try to separate. Some people find that aggressive.

No reasonable person would call a Torah / OT story about idolatry racist.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is just another example where the poster is being attacked but not the posts, which is a clear cut indication no one can deny the history of Jewish money lending.

Therefore, this sentence from the OP :



.. is a statement of fact, and not racism or the knee jerk response, anti-semitic.

As I said, no one, and I mean no one, can defy the statement in the OP which is why they are reduced to propaganda & fallacious responses.

It would help if they could actually stick to the topic (anti-semitism) instead of using these threads to head off into another predictable side swipe at Pakistan, British Pakistanis, Bradford, Birmingham etc. Another MO is to rope in US Pakistanis. Solely for the purpose of having another bash at British Pakistanis of course, not because they actually have any connection with US Pakistanis.

None of this is going to make much difference, it just makes us wonder why you guys have such a stick up your posteriors about this stuff. I could have a few guesses, maybe it's a size thing like small dog syndrome. My advice would simply be stick to the topic, and if you want to attack a particular community, just use the appropriate thread. We will gladly meet you there.

 

[topspin]

I did when I visited my GP last week, at their request.

Was I being a sheep for taking advice from medical professionals?

It's funny that these guys would rather follow conspiracy theories than their own Pakistani doctors in their neighbourhoods who were recommending vaccines, masks, social distancing etc when the pandemic was at its peak.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's funny that these guys would rather follow conspiracy theories than their own Pakistani doctors in their neighbourhoods who were recommending vaccines, masks, social distancing etc when the pandemic was at its peak.

Who are you talking about here ? Novak Djokavic maybe?