Joe Root or Kane Williamson?

[Midwinter13992]

Great Batsmen with perfect techniques ..Both are possibly going to be the most prolific run getters for their respective countries ..Both started their Carriers in India...Both are Leading batsman for their countries in Rankings across the formats..Both are useful part timers .. Both have similar stats in all formats..
It's very hard to compare them..
Williamson have better technique but Root is more impactful.
For now Root for me for his recent performance in India..

 

[Pollack]

1) kohli
2)smith
3)Root
4)Amla
5)Williamson

 

[ExpressPacer]

I like Williamson and probably expect him to have better stats in the end but I don't think he is as good of a pressure player as Root. Root will have terrific numbers but also many important and notable performances by the end of his career. So will KW but I feel he will choke in big matches like finals or tough tours.

 

[Midwinter13992]

I like Williamson and probably expect him to have better stats in the end but I don't think he is as good of a pressure player as Root. Root will have terrific numbers but also many important and notable performances by the end of his career. So will KW but I feel he will choke in big matches like finals or tough tours.

Williamson's Guru also had bad habbit of chocking in important games.

 

[Princejain191]

Kane Williamson in tests. Think he has been the best test player in the world for the last 3 years. Root makes too many pretty 50's and too less winning 100's. And NZ is too dependent on Kane vs. good attacks. England have Cook, Bairstow and Stokes to fall back on when Root is not there. Can't imagine this NZ batting unit without Kane.

Has the right technique against bounce - saw in Brisbane. Best player of swing going around and not too bad against spin either - maybe some little deficiencies but counting on him to overcome those.

Kane all the way.

 

[Midwinter13992]

1) kohli
2)smith
3)Root
4)Amla
5)Williamson

On current form Williamson is definitely better than Amla..

 

[Asim2Good]

Both looks like players without impact.
Statwise they ll b good just like Kallis was

Kohli n Smith way ahead of moment.

 

[Pollack]

Both looks like players without impact.
Statwise they ll b good just like Kallis was

Kohli n Smith way ahead of moment.

Root is an impact player. Williamson may be not.

 

[Asim2Good]

Root is an impact player. Williamson may be not.

i didn't see any impact from him on Indian tour even though statwise it was great tour for him.

 

[Snatch]

Root is quite a bit better than Williamson.

Top 5 tests currently

Smith
Root
Kohli
Warner
Williamson/Amla

 

[street cricketer]

Both seem to have dropped a notch from their earlier form of late.

Root cannot be considered the best batsman in the world until he improves on his conversion rate. Pretty 50s aren't going to win you tests. But still I would rate him ahead of Williamson.

Smith/Kohli
Root
Williamson

is how it is atm imo.

 

[Aman]

The last 12 months haven't been good at all for Williamson, he was well clear of Root and Kohli a year back.

On potential, Root is probably ahead, but he is not that much ahead of Kane even now.

IMO, Root and Kane are a league below Smith and Kohli, both lack impact. Root struggles often to turn starts into match winning tons.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Root in limited overs because he's more fluent and aggressive. Williamson sometimes gets stuck at the crease and goes into a shell.

But Williamson is better in tests since he converts those 50s into 100s and Root lacks that ability as everyone pointed out.

 

[Pollack]

i didn't see any impact from him on Indian tour even though statwise it was great tour for him.

He has shown in the past hence

 

[Mamoon]

Root by some distance.

 

[Gilly]

Both good batsmen.

 

[Buffet]

There isn't much between them in the test format. In, ODI Kane is far behind.

 

[Ab Fan]

Root..Has conversation issues but still a superior player than Williamson.

Root has an AVG of 52-53 while Williamson avgs 49-50 even after getting to play Ban and Zimbabwe a lot.

 

[Hasan123]

Root is well ahead.

 

[Bilal7]

Kane Williamson is going to be the best test batsman of this new generation. Kohli is obviously going to be the best ODI batsman of this generation but has ways to go in the test format. Root is the most balanced out of the four and Smith be up there in tests but like Kane, won't be as good in the shorter format.

Tests:

1) Kane
2) Root
3) Smith
4) Kohli

ODIs:

1) Kohli
2) Root
3) Kane
4) Smith

 

[Snatch]

Kane Williamson is going to be the best test batsman of this new generation. Kohli is obviously going to be the best ODI batsman of this generation but has ways to go in the test format. Root is the most balanced out of the four and Smith be up there in tests but like Kane, won't be as good in the shorter format.

Tests:

1) Kane
2) Root
3) Smith
4) Kohli

Take a look at their records against the top teams. If I remember correctly Williamson averages in the 30s against South Africa, India & England & only averages well overall because he bashes weak attacks, and was lucky to play on some of the flattest wickets ever in Australia in his last visit.

Then look at Smith and Root's batting record against the best teams. There's a huge difference. Those two average about 55 versus the best attacks and I think Williamson about 41 or something.

Williamson is lucky to make the top 5 today.

 

[Chrish]

There isn't much between them in the test format.

Comment made in jest surely?

 

[Aman]

Comment made in jest surely?

Nah they're about neck and neck in Tests. Difference is Root doesn't come under scrutiny for his inability to turn starts into match winning tons because he has match winners around him.

 

[Snatch]

Nah they're about neck and neck in Tests.

Wrong, have a look at their respective break downs and who they each average better against. As I said above Williamson averages in the 30s against SA, Eng & India, while Root and Smith average about 55 if you look at the best teams they play against.

Williamson is lucky to be in the top 5. There is a reasonable argument that right now in Tests Smith, Root, Kohli, Warner, Amla, de Villiers are all better, but I wouldn't argue too much if someone has him at 4th or 5th I suppose, But he's not close to Root, Smith or Kohli.

 

[Chrish]

Nah they're about neck and neck in Tests. Difference is Root doesn't come under scrutiny for his inability to turn starts into match winning tons because he has match winners around him.

As things stand right now, Root is level above Williamson (as good as Ken is)

 

[Chrish]

Smith and Root are no 1 ATM. Kohli will need to rectify his performance in England while Williamson will need more consistency before joining them

 

[Aman]

Root has quickly become the most overrated cricketer in world cricket, people are rating him on potential than actual performance. His numbers are far from flash and he would be getting torn apart for not converting if it weren't for players like Moe, Stokes, Bairstow, Cook, Broad or Anderson.

 

[Aman]

As things stand right now, Root is level above Williamson (as good as Ken is)

Nah, Root is a level below Kohli and Smith, Kane actually was above Root and Kohli 12 months back, something people often forget.

 

[Chrish]

Nah, Root is a level below Kohli and Smith, Kane actually was above Root and Kohli 12 months back, something people often forget.

Players will always be rated based on their current performances.. 1 year time period is a good reflection of player's output. Ken can very well become gun for a year again and regain his title but that's not what we are talking about here.

People can rate Kohli much higher and understandably so but there will always be some doubt about him being number one due to England factor..

 

[Aman]

Players will always be rated based on their current performances.. 1 year time period is a good reflection of player's output. Ken can very well become gun for a year again and regain his title but that's not what we are talking about here.

People can rate Kohli much higher and understandably so but there will always be some doubt about him being number one due to England factor..

I just don't buy it, Kohli and Smith are no doubt better. What on earth has Root done other than fail time and time again to make a meaningful contribution? England are reliant on their lower order more than they are on Root..

 

[Chrish]

I just don't buy it, Kohli and Smith are no doubt better. What on earth has Root done other than fail time and time again to make a meaningful contribution? England are reliant on their lower order more than they are on Root..

Although he has issues with conversion, his knocks were crucial in winning the last series in SA and defending the Ashes

England has to rely on lower order due to collapse of openers more so than failure of Root

 

[Snatch]

I just don't buy it, Kohli and Smith are no doubt better. What on earth has Root done other than fail time and time again to make a meaningful contribution? England are reliant on their lower order more than they are on Root..

He just averaged 50 in India where Williamson managed to average 25 or 30 I think it was and was totally exposed against Ashwin, who dismissed his 4 out of 4 times. If it was a boxing match the ref would have ended it early.

Root on the other hand frustratingly kept get himself out when set and batted as if it was the easiest game in the world, prior to that. I do agree Root's inability to convert 100s is a slight concern, but he looks so good at the crease, that will take care of itself.

Ashwin made Williamson look inept against good spin and exposed Williamson thinking he can play back to any spinner.

 

[Chrish]

Root was pretty inconsequential in India due to inability to convert the knocks. So his final average does flatter his performance in that series

So there is a valid criticism of him.. however saying that he never plays any role in series wins would be perception bias

 

[Aman]

He just averaged 50 in India where Williamson managed to average 25 or 30 I think it was and was totally exposed against Ashwin, who dismissed his 4 out of 4 times. If it was a boxing match the ref would have ended it early.

Root on the other hand frustratingly kept get himself out when set and batted as if it was the easiest game in the world, prior to that. I do agree Root's inability to convert 100s is a slight concern, but he looks so good at the crease, that will take care of itself.

Ashwin made Williamson look inept against good spin and exposed Williamson thinking he can play back to any spinner.

Are we really going to ignore the pitch now? Have a look at the delivery which Ashwin dismissed Kane with in the first Test.... Hell, he had the 4 innings there whereas Root had 5 freaking Tests, that too on much easier tracks.

This is where Root's numbers are deceiving, he averages 50 in most series but rarely plays a match winning knock.

Heck, didn't Moe score two centuries in the Indian series too?

 

[Aman]

Bairstow, Moe, Stokes, Anderson and Broad are much more valuable to England than Root.

A player who is consistent in scoring 50's but is unable to score 100's isn't someone you can really consider an elite batsmen of the game.

IMO Khawaja has been A LOT better than Root the past 12 months, but no one will mention his name.

 

[Aman]

Root was pretty inconsequential in India due to inability to convert the knocks. So his final average does flatter his performance in that series

So there is a valid criticism of him.. however saying that he never plays any role in series wins would be perception bias

Root was also inconsequential in the series in the UAE, but his numbers are great there too..

This is why you shouldn't purely look at numbers.

 

[Snatch]

Are we really going to ignore the pitch now? Have a look at the delivery which Ashwin dismissed Kane with in the first Test.... Hell, he had the 4 innings there whereas Root had 5 freaking Tests, that too on much easier tracks.

This is where Root's numbers are deceiving, he averages 50 in most series but rarely plays a match winning knock.

Heck, didn't Moe score two centuries in the Indian series too?

Sorry, where are Williamson's innings that lead to victories against anyone other than Sri Lanka, WI and the minnows. And please don't count that one UAE test against Pakistan after Phil Hughes' death in which neither side even wanted to be there and no bouncers were bowled. Sorry but I don't count that. Neither side were there mentally for that game, so it's misleading when you see that was 1 -1 later on.

 

[Aman]

Sorry, where are Williamson's innings that lead to victories against anyone other than Sri Lanka, WI and the minnows. And please don't count that one UAE test against Pakistan after Phil Hughes' death in which neither side even wanted to be there and no bouncers were bowled. Sorry but I don't count that. Neither side were there mentally for that game, so it's misleading when you see that was 1 -1 later on.

Hard to win games when you're the only world class player in a side full of players who aren't international standard.

Put Smith or Kohli in the same NZ side and they would struggle to win games.

 

[Aman]

Even when Kane plays well, it doesn't guarantee wins because of the low quality of the players around him.

Also lol at bouncers in the UAE making any difference, they'd probably sit up to be hit, probably would have scored a double if they were bowled*

 

[Aman]

Sorry, where are Williamson's innings that lead to victories against anyone other than Sri Lanka, WI and the minnows. And please don't count that one UAE test against Pakistan after Phil Hughes' death in which neither side even wanted to be there and no bouncers were bowled. Sorry but I don't count that. Neither side were there mentally for that game, so it's misleading when you see that was 1 -1 later on.

Kane rightly gets criticized for his failures in the last 12 months. But for the life of me cannot understand the hype around Root, he has yet to go to the elite level and is a run machine more than a match winner. Warner and Khawaja are both well and truly ahead of him in terms of impact. It's laughable to compare him to Smith and Kohli when he has never been at that level.

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=138493]Chrish[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

Root's Average in Aus 27(4 tests) ,Bangladesh 24 (2 tests),Nz 17 (3 tests) and Kohli should prove himself in England?

Don't think he has played in Lanka yet.

and [MENTION=142156]Snatch[/MENTION]

The pitches we dished out to Kiwis in 2 tests turned and they lost tosses as well whereas England won many tosses got to bat first,considering all condition Root was only slightly better than Kan in India not a big different like is being suggested here.

On potential alone Root looks better than Kane but he is not the captain yet,although he looks much more to win.

 

[JaDed]

Root in 3 years time will be world's best imo unless his conversion rate remains the same in tests,he is very good in LOI already and will only improve.

 

[vandokkum]

Williamson the test batsman is not as good as Smith, Root and Kohli.

 

[street cricketer]

Root seems to be the golden boy of cricket..

Every one out of Kohli, Smith and Kane gets crucified for their weak records in specific countries/conditions, yet Root seems to get the free pass for his failure in oceania, especially in the home of his biggest rivals. Having the English media to back you up does help I suppose..

 

[Aman]

Root seems to be the golden boy of cricket..

Every one out of Kohli, Smith and Kane gets crucified for their weak records in specific countries/conditions, yet Root seems to get the free pass for his failure in oceania, especially in the home of his biggest rivals. Having the English media to back you up does help I suppose..

It's weird because you could argue 4 or more players are more important than him for England... yet it's him that somehow gets put on the pedestal... Kohli, Smith and KW are all either first or are a close second.

 

[A.A.Z]

Williamson is massively underrated because he plays for New Zealand. The pitches he got in India were a lot tougher overall than what Root got as well as 2 fewer games.

Poor guy suffers the same fate as Hadlee, one of the greatest ever players but highly under-valued in comparison to Botham and Dev, far lesser players. New Zealand is the only test nation to not have hosted a single icc event on it's own ever (apart from Pakistan, at least we got the final in 1996), it is too small a nation with too small a support base to be equally compared with players of far better teams fairly.

Williamson has never batted with a quality test bat apart from Taylor at international level, he fails usually the team fails plus he's captain that's way too much burden on any person even if that person thrives under-pressure. At least Hadlee had less pressure as a bowler, no fear of getting out.

I am not saying saying he's better than Root and the rest for sure but he's under-appreciated on this forum by many and unfortunately he doesn't hawkish fans to support him and back him up like Kohli and the others.

 

[street cricketer]

Also Root played on some pretty docile pitches unlike Williamson who had to battle Ashwin on a turner which is as difficult as it gets, akin to facing Anderson on a cold and cloudy day.

Root did manage to get a 50 with a devil may care approach on a turner at Mumbai but he was never assured throughout against spin in the entire tour. We can only speculate, but it's not too daft a thing to say that he would've struggled similarly on turners against Ashwin and Jadeja like he did in Bangladesh had England received dry dusty turning tracks in their tour.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Williamson the test batsman is not as good as Smith, Root and Kohli.

Kohli isn't that good in test, bulk of his runs came in Australia and India. Kohli's away average is 44 even including Australia where he averages 62. He needs to score better in Sri Lanka, England and West Indies.

 

[Aman]

Williamson is massively underrated because he plays for New Zealand. The pitches he got in India were a lot tougher overall than what Root got as well as 2 fewer games.

Poor guy suffers the same fate as Hadlee, one of the greatest ever players but highly under-valued in comparison to Botham and Dev, far lesser players. New Zealand is the only test nation to not have hosted a single icc event on it's own ever (apart from Pakistan, at least we got the final in 1996), it is too small a nation with too small a support base to be equally compared with players of far better teams fairly.

Williamson has never batted with a quality test bat apart from Taylor at international level, he fails usually the team fails plus he's captain that's way too much burden on any person even if that person thrives under-pressure. At least Hadlee had less pressure as a bowler, no fear of getting out.

I am not saying saying he's better than Root and the rest for sure but he's under-appreciated on this forum by many and unfortunately he doesn't hawkish fans to support him and back him up like Kohli and the others.

Played 2 Tests, he missed the second because of illness.

 

[Aman]

Root seems to be the golden boy of cricket..

Every one out of Kohli, Smith and Kane gets crucified for their weak records in specific countries/conditions, yet Root seems to get the free pass for his failure in oceania, especially in the home of his biggest rivals. Having the English media to back you up does help I suppose..

Good luck playing that...

 

[Ab Fan]

Root's record in NZ and Aus can't be considered his failures as he wasn't even 10 matches old when he played in those venues. Given the pitches Aussies are serving in last three years, it's a matter of time before Root delivers in Australia.

Most would also like to point out the fact that Root has got easy going in subcontinent than what Williamson and the two great South Africans got in their last tour to India which is taken into consideration for their bad phase or struggle in the given country.

Moreover, Root has luckily managed an AVG of 50+ in India , UAE and SA each of the countries where it's harder for non Asian teams to perform. I said luckily because in India and UAE, he got really flatter pitches and he still failed to make any massive impact barring those consistent 50s and in SA, he got to face weaker bowling attack with no Steyn and Philander in the team and Rabadda still to make his mark as a force.

So, in comparison to other three contemporaries, yes , Root has got some easy going and has looked more of a statistical marvel than being a tough deal for his team.

However, it's hard to claim Williamson is better because his numbers have been pretty mediocre facing tough bowlers or tougher conditions.So, it has to be still Root for me.England batting also has got holes and Root is filling it on his own.

 

[Snatch]

Hard to win games when you're the only world class player in a side full of players who aren't international standard.

Put Smith or Kohli in the same NZ side and they would struggle to win games.

Nah, NZ are only a couple of points away from England on the test rankings currently, and NZ were ahead and at no 3 in the world about 15 months ago & in that period of from early 2014- mid 2015, were stronger than England overall, so I think it's fair to ask what Williamson's match winnings innings were, if you're going to ask the same question of Root.

The answer is, outside of the Phil Hughes Test when neither NZ nor Pakistan players wanted to be there and there were no bouncers bowled Williamson has only had match winning innings against SL, WI and the minnow teams like Zim & Bang.

I think you seem to be holding Root to an unreasonably high standard that you're not prepared to hold Williamson to.

In terms of the different pitches in India, sure pitches are never going to be the same, but Root in around 9-10 innings, even though he threw away a lot of starts and didn't convert, still managed to average 50, and please don't pretend none of those wickets turned in the games he played in, because 4 of the tests were results. Willamson on the other hand averaged about 25-30 and was Ashwin's bunny. Frankly speaking he didn't look up to the level to face a top class spinner like Ashwin in his own backyard. To be fair on Williamson, they are very challenging and trying conditions for non-sub continent batsmen to deal with, which makes Root's achievements all the more remarkable.

The real question is imagine how amazing Root's tour would be if he didn't throw away those starts when things were looking so easy for him. Guy is a serious talent and deserves to be up with Smith currently, and slightly above Kohli (in tests), and far ahead of the next bunch of Warner, AB, Amla & Williamson, who is further down the list.

The thing you want to look at is their averages against the top nations and that's when you can really appreciate how good Smith and Root are, and how Williamson tend to do really well against weak teams, but fail badly against teams like SA. The one exception was him scoring runs on some of the flattest wickets in australia in recent history, the fact Ross Taylor scored 290 in one of them is proof of that.

 

[Snatch]

However, it's hard to claim Williamson is better because his numbers have been pretty mediocre facing tough bowlers or tougher conditions.So, it has to be still Root for me.England batting also has got holes and Root is filling it on his own.

Yeah that is the thing about Williamson, against top opposition in anything close to challenging conditions he's merely a 'good' batsman, he is not even close to great.

He also has a bad weakness outside offstump, more than the other top batters around today and Ashwin really embarrassed him against top spin bowling.

If you asked Ashwin who he would prefer bowling to, either Root or Williamson, I think we all know the answer already.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Root is better in both tests and ODIs

 

[Snatch]

Root is better in both tests and ODIs

And T20s while we're there.

I think people overrate Williamson because he looks like and is a really nice unconfrontable guy and is a good sportsman. But you really need to examine his record. He is a weak attack basher.

 

[Aman]

Nah, NZ are only a couple of points away from England on the test rankings currently, and NZ were ahead and at no 3 in the world about 15 months ago & in that period of from early 2014- mid 2015, were stronger than England overall, so I think it's fair to ask what Williamson's match winnings innings were, if you're going to ask the same question of Root.

The answer is, outside of the Phil Hughes Test when neither NZ nor Pakistan players wanted to be there and there were no bouncers bowled Williamson has only had match winning innings against SL, WI and the minnow teams like Zim & Bang.

I think you seem to be holding Root to an unreasonably high standard that you're not prepared to hold Williamson to.

In terms of the different pitches in India, sure pitches are never going to be the same, but Root in around 9-10 innings, even though he threw away a lot of starts and didn't convert, still managed to average 50, and please don't pretend none of those wickets turned in the games he played in, because 4 of the tests were results. Willamson on the other hand averaged about 25-30 and was Ashwin's bunny. Frankly speaking he didn't look up to the level to face a top class spinner like Ashwin in his own backyard. To be fair on Williamson, they are very challenging and trying conditions for non-sub continent batsmen to deal with, which makes Root's achievements all the more remarkable.

The real question is imagine how amazing Root's tour would be if he didn't throw away those starts when things were looking so easy for him. Guy is a serious talent and deserves to be up with Smith currently, and slightly above Kohli (in tests), and far ahead of the next bunch of Warner, AB, Amla & Williamson, who is further down the list.

The thing you want to look at is their averages against the top nations and that's when you can really appreciate how good Smith and Root are, and how Williamson tend to do really well against weak teams, but fail badly against teams like SA. The one exception was him scoring runs on some of the flattest wickets in australia in recent history, the fact Ross Taylor scored 290 in one of them is proof of that.

This has little to do with Kane and all to do with Root doing jack all to be in the elite group. He's purely compared to the other 3 on potential, in terms of real performance he lacks the ability to win games. Pretty 50's and 80's mean jack all. Sure, Kane has dropped away the last year but what people forget is he was actually among the elite a year back, Root has NEVER been at that level. Root can finish series with an average of 50 or 60 without a ton, he's pretty much the anti-YK in that he performs in every game but never wins you games. I said YK needs to be more consistent, but thinking now, I would take YK's one performance which has a real influence on the result of the game over Root's pretty 50's every 2-3 innings every day of the week.

 

[Aman]

Yeah that is the thing about Williamson, against top opposition in anything close to challenging conditions he's merely a 'good' batsman, he is not even close to great.

He also has a bad weakness outside offstump, more than the other top batters around today and Ashwin really embarrassed him against top spin bowling.

If you asked Ashwin who he would prefer bowling to, either Root or Williamson, I think we all know the answer already.

Here you go buddy.

The support Kane has compared to Root. If you think the captaincy isn't burdening him, you're kidding yourself.

Having to lead and carry a side with as many passengers as we have isn't easy.

 

[Snatch]

This has little to do with Kane and all to do with Root doing jack all to be in the elite group. He's purely compared to the other 3 on potential, in terms of real performance he lacks the ability to win games. Pretty 50's and 80's mean jack all. Sure, Kane has dropped away the last year but what people forget is he was actually among the elite a year back, Root has NEVER been at that level. Root can finish series with an average of 50 or 60 without a ton, he's pretty much the anti-YK in that he performs in every game but never wins you games. I said YK needs to be more consistent, but thinking now, I would take YK's one performance which has a real influence on the result of the game over Root's pretty 50's every 2-3 innings every day of the week.

Back up your opinions with some data then. Why then does Root average mid 50s against the top sides & Williamson 30s (aside from Aus flat tracks)? What are these Williamson matching winnings innings you claim Root can't achieve? You provided no data or facts in that last post, just opinion. Root hasn't just been potential at all, he's been averaging as well as anyone else in the world in recent years. The only thing he has let himself down with is his conversion. If he had of converted more of these innings, he'd be averaging more than any of the others.

 

[Aman]

Back up your opinions with some data then. Why then does Root average mid 50s against the top sides & Williamson 30s (aside from Aus flat tracks)? What are these Williamson matching winnings innings you claim Root can't achieve? You provided no data or facts in that last post, just opinion. Root hasn't just been potential at all, he's been averaging as well as anyone else in the world in recent years. The only thing he has let himself down with is his conversion. If he had of converted more of these innings, he'd be averaging more than any of the others.

Again, I'm not interested in numbers. I actually think Root is ahead of Kane atm because Kane is in such horrible touch. I just don't buy into the Root hype, you simply cannot be an elite player when you convert as badly as Root.

 

[Snatch]

Here you go buddy.

The support Kane has compared to Root. If you think the captaincy isn't burdening him, you're kidding yourself.

Having to lead and carry a side with as many passengers as we have isn't easy.

What are those numbers? The last 12 months?

 

[Aman]

What are those numbers? The last 12 months?

Last 12 months.

NZ excludes Bangladesh (home series) and Zimbabwe.

Kane has nobody, literally.

Batsmen or bowler.

It would be difficult for any captain to lead a side this bad in your first year.

 

[Snatch]

Again, I'm not interested in numbers. I actually think Root is ahead of Kane atm because Kane is in such horrible touch. I just don't buy into the Root hype, you simply cannot be an elite player when you convert as badly as Root.

Haha the guy is 25 years old and has scored 11 test hundreds, and you're picking on him because he's missed out on converted this last 12 months?

 

[Snatch]

Last 12 months.

NZ excludes Bangladesh (home series) and Zimbabwe.

Kane has nobody, literally.

You might have a ghost of a point if Williamson had been running out of partners, but he hasn't, he's generally been getting dismissed before those lower order batsmen failed as well.

Williamson gets so over-hyped it's not even funny. I'm convinced it's because he's a nice likable guy. He is a good batsman, don't get me wrong, but lucky to be rated in the top 5 currently/

 

[Aman]

Haha the guy is 25 years old and has scored 11 test hundreds, and you're picking on him because he's missed out on converted this last 12 months?

Smith 17 (92), Kohli 15 (90), Kane 12 (94) - excludes Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, Root 11 (98).

I have Smith and Kohli ahead of both by a distance.

 

[Aman]

You might have a ghost of a point if Williamson had been running out of partners, but he hasn't, he's generally been getting dismissed before those lower order batsmen failed as well.

Williamson gets so over-hyped it's not even funny. I'm convinced it's because he's a nice likable guy. He is a good batsman, don't get me wrong, but lucky to be rated in the top 5 currently/

Have you ever played cricket before? If you have to worry about scoring all the runs and leading a side who you have zero faith in.. it isn't easy and it affects your game. If you've watched Kane you would see that he is no longer assured when he bats like he use to be. Before the captaincy he use to play in his own little bubble with little concern with what was going around him. Now he's second guessing himself every shot as he has the pressure of results on him too now that he is the captain and accountable for the teams success.

 

[Aman]

Have you ever played cricket before? If you have to worry about scoring all the runs and leading a side who you have zero faith in.. it isn't easy and it affects your game. If you've watched Kane you would see that he is no longer assured when he bats like he use to be. Before the captaincy he use to play in his own little bubble with little concern with what was going around him. Now he's second guessing himself every shot as he has the pressure of results on him now that he is the captain and accountable for the teams results*.

Fixed.

A lot of this has to do with his own form too, I'm surprised he's played as badly as he has for this long.

 

[Aman]

As bad as Kane has been, at least he managed to win his side an ODI in India.

 

[The_Odd_One]

I think they are about equal at this moment. Both lack impact.

 

[Buffet]

Smith 17 (92), Kohli 15 (90), Kane 12 (94) - excludes Zimbabwe and Bangladesh, Root 11 (98).

I have Smith and Kohli ahead of both by a distance.

If you look at outside of home tons then Root has 3 tons. Smith has 7, Kohli has 9 and Kane has 10 tons. It's not with small sample size. All of them have played 50+ tests. Kane has 8 if you exclude BD/Zim.

 

[The_Odd_One]

If you look at outside of home tons then Root has 3 tons. Smith has 7, Kohli has 9 and Kane has 10 tons. It's not with small sample size. All of them have played 50+ tests. Kane has 8 if you exclude BD/Zim.

Also, I think Kane has a lot of 90+ scores which are as good as hundreds.

 

[Buffet]

Also, I think Kane has a lot of 90+ scores which are as good as hundreds.

Kane has a long way to go and has many issues, but Root is a bit over hyped for what he has done away from Eng so far. Most batsmen have 100 tests career. He has already playe 50+ tests with only 3 away tons. He is young so I expect him to do much better in coming years, but if he does the same thing what he has done so far then international career of 6-7 away tons is pretty ordinary when you are comparing with the best batsmen.

Batsmen mature around 28-30 so he should convert more, but so far all the talk is mostly due to potential. He has had very little impact as soon as he has stepped outside of home. Yes, you may not win, but big runs will surely help to draw games in UAE, BD or India. Eng had such a poor run in Asia mainly due to no one going big few times. Root was a big culprit for not going big after getting starts consistently.

 

[HitWicket]

Kane has a long way to go and has many issues, but Root is a bit over hyped for what he has done away from Eng so far. Most batsmen have 100 tests career. He has already playe 50+ tests with only 3 away tons. He is young so I expect him to do much better in coming years, but if he does the same thing what he has done so far then international career of 6-7 away tons is pretty ordinary when you are comparing with the best batsmen.

Batsmen mature around 28-30 so he should convert more, but so far all the talk is mostly due to potential. He has had very little impact as soon as he has stepped outside of home. Yes, you may not win, but big runs will surely help to draw games in UAE, BD or India. Eng had such a poor run in Asia mainly due to no one going big few times. Root was a big culprit for not going big after getting starts consistently.

Root's played 53 tests and has only just turned 26, expect him to play a lot more than 100 tests.

 

[Buffet]

Root's played 53 tests and has only just turned 26, expect him to play a lot more than 100 tests.

Most likely the case due to Eng playing many tests and him being young. I was just putting things in perspective because 50+ tests are not a low sample size when you look at how many tests an average batsman gets to play.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Kane has a long way to go and has many issues, but Root is a bit over hyped for what he has done away from Eng so far. Most batsmen have 100 tests career. He has already playe 50+ tests with only 3 away tons. He is young so I expect him to do much better in coming years, but if he does the same thing what he has done so far then international career of 6-7 away tons is pretty ordinary when you are comparing with the best batsmen.

Batsmen mature around 28-30 so he should convert more, but so far all the talk is mostly due to potential. He has had very little impact as soon as he has stepped outside of home. Yes, you may not win, but big runs will surely help to draw games in UAE, BD or India. Eng had such a poor run in Asia mainly due to no one going big few times. Root was a big culprit for not going big after getting starts consistently.

I completely agree to your post. Root is extremely overhyped. He scores those pretty 50s and then throws away his wicket. Kane is not someone who can carry his team's batting. His performance has gone down big time once McCallum retired. Overall, Smith and Kohli are more reliable and consistent batsman. Smith is better in tests but Kohli is better in ODIs.

 

[Aman]

I completely agree to your post. Root is extremely overhyped. He scores those pretty 50s and then throws away his wicket. Kane is not someone who can carry his team's batting. His performance has gone down big time once McCallum retired. Overall, Smith and Kohli are more reliable and consistent batsman. Smith is better in tests but Kohli is better in ODIs.

I blame a lot of it on burn out.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11673211

He's playing way too much cricket and is leading all formats now as well, I wish NZC would drop him from T20's and let him focus on ODI's and Tests.

 

[Pollack]

Wow root has already played 53 tests. When will root actually be consistent in making big scores? He seems to be overhyped for now. But I have hopes.He is too good a player to remain the same forever.

 

[Pollack]

I blame a lot of it on burn out.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11673211

He's playing way too much cricket and is leading all formats now as well, I wish NZC would drop him from T20's and let him focus on ODI's and Tests.

Why would you even consider him for t20s. He shouldn't be playing t20 from beginning itself.Even in odi he will struggle for strike rate considering the nature of modern day odi's

 

[Protea Fan]

Both the players are different in their approach to the game both have different techniques, temperament, skills and abilities. So its not easy to pick any one of these two players as they both are extremely talented and doing well for thei respective countries.

Kane is one of the most elegant and easy-to-watch batsmen in world cricket. His calm and relaxed demeanour coupled with his strictly-cricket attitude just make him even more likeable

But have to say Root have an edge considering his versatility over diff formats....Anyway for me both of them are easy to watch players than kohli

 

[Protea Fan]

Why would you even consider him for t20s. He shouldn't be playing t20 from beginning itself.Even in odi he will struggle for strike rate considering the nature of modern day odi's

If he is poor T20 player why he stick on the top 10 international t20 players list

This is just a myth because kane is not one kind of a "bully" batsman who hit sixes and fours every ball

He has a better or equal strike rate than Dilshan,duminy,taylor,mathews,dhoni who were regarded as flamboyant players in shorter formats

 

[Ted123]

Joe Root vs Kane Williamson - Who would you take in your team?

Smith is ahead of the pack in tests while kohli is ahead in odis. Who would you pick between the two in either of formats of the game?

I think its Williamson in tests while Root in odis.

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